P0441 EVAP Emission Control Sys: Incorrect Flow

[v4rley]

How do you brim the charcoal container

The brimming is referring to the fuel tank.

[vRS Carl]

You don't. If you brim the petrol tank it causes this issue.

[Rossimac]

I still get this code logged everyday and haven't brimmed the tank in 6 months. Going to start replacing things soon.

[Dan_FR]

Brimming the tank does not cause this directly, neither will ceasing it rid you of the error. I brim my tank every time i fuel the car and don't have a problem

The 'active charcoal' within the cannister most likely needs replacing (although it could be caused by a leaky pipe or a faulty EVAP valve).

You can 'delete' the cannister and allow the vapour to vent to atmosphere. If you keep the valve then you shouldn't get an error so long as youplumb the pipes correctly

[pudding]

The canister about 70 quid from memory, so not especially cheap.  Dumping fumes to atmosphere (inc PCV gases) is an MOT fail if they smell them or spot disconnected pipes dangling around in the engine bay.  It's better to tackle the issue and just forget about it.

I replaced the canister, the solenoid valve and the pipe from the canister to the connection by the brake servo and that seems to have sorted it.

[Wolf Burger]

My car is in for this tomorrow under warranty.
Will update causes and cost.

[Paulo P]

My car is in for this tomorrow under warranty.
Will update causes and cost.

Any update on this? I'm getting this fault now and I am suspecting that it's the N80 valve.

[Wolf Burger]

My car is in for this tomorrow under warranty.
Will update causes and cost.

Any update on this? I'm getting this fault now and I am suspecting that it's the N80 valve.

Yes they changed the valve (carbon canister) sorted!
Was not covered under VW warranty.

[Rossimac]

I changed the pipe - no joy.

Tested the N80 valve using VCDS Output Tests. Could hear the valve clicking successfully, so I don't think it's a fault.

Next up is carbon cannister. Getting it replaced soon.

[Paulo P]

Yes they changed the valve (carbon canister) sorted!
Was not covered under VW warranty.

Thanks for the update, I'm going to do the valve first then I will do the canister if that doesn't clear it.

[Wolf Burger]

Sorry that wasn't very clear. Just checked the VW paperwork.

They changed valve and pipework under warranty. (This cleared the fault for about a month)
Fault came back and they changed the carbon canister. Not had problem since (Charged me around £130.00)

This included a engine diagnostic charge which I wasn't too pleased with being I had given them the fault code before booking it in.
They did however get my Bluetooth working and had to remove the unit to get to. They did't charge me for this so thought it was reasonable,

[Rossimac]

Hah! I thought it wasn't very clear, but didn't want to sound cheeky :)

Thanks for posting your success story!

[Dave J]

This came up on mine again yesterday (after months of being ok) - EML came on a day after filling the tank to the
brim. Weirdly happened after giving the car foot-to-floor in 2nd to redline at the same place and tank level as before, guess it just shows under the same conditions the car will throw the same fault.

Vagcom scanned the car today, and the same P0441 fault appeared. Have cleared the fault & light is off, with car driving ok. I really must get on & fit the new canister and hoses I've bought...

[pwoolrich73]

..very slow on this topic .....but I've just joined this forum. Anyways - I just want to say thanks to all. This was the same issue on mine. The pictures posted helped me find and sort the issue out.

Cheers to All
Phil

[simonshotter]

hi all.

i have the classic p-0441 code too. the pipework is all solid and fine, one thing i have noticed is the round bracket that fits into the top of the canister tub can twist?! Is this a locking bracket that twists into place or should this be a solid fit,  could this be causing my issue or can that fit be lose (ish)