MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: jedi-knight83 on February 09, 2015, 12:12:13 pm

Title: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 09, 2015, 12:12:13 pm
Done a little bit of searching and see some people have done it but seems mine might be a bit different?

My car is MY2006 and I have the ECON button not the AC button on my climate panel.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar_Stuff%2FGolf_GTI%2FDSC_0744.jpg&hash=85792954938cf4a2b91f575e05f5c13d38a474c6)

I know I'll need the facia surround as well which is 1K0 858 069 N 1QB apparently.

This is the mk6 climate panel I plan to buy.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2F00%2Fs%2FNjI5WDk1OQ%3D%3D%2Fz%2Fp80AAOSwnDxUlgmF%2F%24_12.JPG&hash=eb82b92a3f5b65d0f593cffc311229c6878f2c91)

Is it possible in my car. Is it a much bigger job than simply changing a few wires?

I see @MC71 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4913) also added the Air Quality Sensor when doing this mod. Is this expensive and difficult and is it a massive benefit once fitted or does it just cause the air con to run more of the time as it seems to indicate on the my-gti write up here...
http://www.my-gti.com/1267/climatronic-air-quality-sensor-operation-and-location

Many thanks in advance.

Nathan
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: MC71 on February 09, 2015, 12:23:44 pm
Not sure that unit is compatable with your ECON, being a AC one, best speak to Eddie fella.

Eddie fitted my AC unit into my '08 Eddy with AC  (i supplied it) and he also supplied and fitted the AQS as he had one knocking around. No the AQs is not expensive, bit of a PITA to fit as you need to get under the Scuttle Panel. I leave this on the WHOLE time and it determines which air im getting, always leave the AC on anyway.

Sorry I can't be of any more help.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 09, 2015, 12:30:47 pm
no problem.

thanks for the reply.

sounds a lot of work just to basically get rid of the blue backlit temp readings. If I'm swapping to the white mk6 clocks I thought that these would be the only blue light left in the car so it would look a bit odd... but if its a massive hassle to change I might just have to put up with it.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Stig_gti on February 09, 2015, 03:07:31 pm
It will fit I've fitted the same in to mine 2006 aswell.
The only thing you need to do is change some wires overs.
Si r32 did mine works perfect
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 09, 2015, 03:29:54 pm
Ok thanks and did your old car have the econ button previously?

@Si_r32 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3698) are you able to explain which wires need swapping please.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on February 09, 2015, 03:59:17 pm
Ok thanks and did your old car have the econ button previously?

@Si_r32 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3698) are you able to explain which wires need swapping please.

i will pm what wires to change
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Stig_gti on February 09, 2015, 04:37:59 pm
Yes had econ button it's not a hard job if you no what your doing. :happy2:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jason_rmh on February 09, 2015, 08:26:51 pm
I also had econ button and fitted the mk6 panel. Swapping of 1 wire on the connector block. The rest is just getting access, removing the the head facial etc.

Before swapping wires, plug the new panel in and test the ac works.
There's a guide on here somewhere that I used.
Jas
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 09, 2015, 09:51:02 pm

I also had econ button and fitted the mk6 panel. Swapping of 1 wire on the connector block. The rest is just getting access, removing the the head facial etc.

Before swapping wires, plug the new panel in and test the ac works.
There's a guide on here somewhere that I used.
Jas

I have searched but can't find anything.

How much roughly is the new facia as well. I bought the new climate panel tonight so will test it when it arrives.


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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jason_rmh on February 09, 2015, 09:58:41 pm


Facia from eBay or vw, look for 1K0 858 069 N 1QB

have a read through this for fitting

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4938269-OEM-MKVI-Climatronic-on-a-MKV-on-a-RNS-510-Screen-installed

and this

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/39962-golf-mk6-climatronic-in-a-golf-mk5-displaying-on-a-rns510/

Jas
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on February 10, 2015, 07:21:17 am
Ok thanks and did your old car have the econ button previously?

@Si_r32 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3698) are you able to explain which wires need swapping please.

i will pm what wires to change

Hi! Can you pm me too?! Thanks!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 10, 2015, 09:30:01 am


Facia from eBay or vw, look for 1K0 858 069 N 1QB

have a read through this for fitting

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4938269-OEM-MKVI-Climatronic-on-a-MKV-on-a-RNS-510-Screen-installed

and this

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/39962-golf-mk6-climatronic-in-a-golf-mk5-displaying-on-a-rns510/

Jas

thanks for the links. Neither seem to give a definitive answer. Just lots of suggestions.

One also seems to say I'll need to change the heated seat modules as the mk5 has 5 heated seat settings and the mk6 has 3?

Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jason_rmh on February 10, 2015, 10:06:32 am
The 1st post in the vortex thread is the info you need?
You don't need to change the heated seats, the new panel only has 3 settings but works fine.
Jas
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 11, 2015, 02:29:18 pm
Just trying this now following the vortex thread.

On plug A pin 16 and 20 are different sizes so can't see how pin 16 (very small) can go onto pin 20 (flat and wide)

Ideas?


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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 11, 2015, 04:54:53 pm
Also from Vortex

Quote
Motors in parallel:
On C Connector (brown): Pin 7 connected to Pin 10 and Pin 8 connected to Pin 9
On B Connector (black): Pin 6 to Pin 7

My connector C (brown) already has pins in location 10 and 9. Should these be removed and left not connected or put in 7 and 8?

I did test it without moving any wires and everything seemed to work including the AC compressor cutting in and out when i pressed the AC button... but when the AC was running no air came out of any of the vents (sounded like a flap behind the dash was open). I'm guessing this is what changing the other pins will solve? But just need clarification before doing anything else.

Also it was mentioned the heated seat controller doesn't need changing but I had the new mk6 panel on setting 2 and it still felt pretty hot but setting 1 wasn't hot enough?

I might just give up and leave the mk5 one in place and live with the blue display lol :sad1:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Stig_gti on February 11, 2015, 05:35:13 pm
Mine did the exact same before the wires where changed.
Once they where changed about work perfect and never had an issue with the heated seats.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on February 12, 2015, 05:17:13 am
If someone dif this to his 2007 Efition 30, can you please write down exactly wich wires that was changed?!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Stig_gti on February 12, 2015, 08:26:23 am
2007 should not need wires changing should be straight swap plug and play.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on February 12, 2015, 08:32:56 pm
Ok... That sounds promising...!!! :pomppomp:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on February 13, 2015, 08:53:50 pm
2007 should not need wires changing should be straight swap plug and play.
Mine's a MY2009 and it needed the wires changed so that the control panel would keep it's memory of the selected options after removing the key. :confused:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: DamoP on February 14, 2015, 02:44:26 am
If someone dif this to his 2007 Efition 30, can you please write down exactly wich wires that was changed?!
you need to swap one wire, i did on ym 57 ed30
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on February 15, 2015, 06:51:43 pm
Do you have more info about that?! Witch cables? Pictures?
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: DSG_Steel on February 17, 2015, 11:32:34 am
I'm looking to fit mk6 climate control panel in my 2006 mk5 golf gti with econ button. What wires would I need to change?

Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Grande_GTi on February 18, 2015, 09:44:45 pm
Love this mod but do we know if it will work with a kenwood d521 dab? Sorry to hijack thread
Title: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 28, 2015, 06:21:26 pm
Just completed this with help from @Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345)  :notworthy: Thank you again for coming to the rescue last minute... would help if i could flipping count properly !!! (I'm my defence the pin numbers on the plugs are tiny and 18 looked like 16 to me  :ashamed:)

You will need the Climate panel (i got mine for £65 from eBay), a new facia (1K0 858 069 N 1QB - £29.46 inc VAT from TPS), Eddie will make you a lovely loom (i made my own but once i'd bought all the bits from TPS it was £10 MORE than Eddie charges for his pre made one!!)

Follow the vortex guide and make sure you correctly identify pin 16 on the wide black plug!!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4938269-OEM-MKVI-Climatronic-on-a-MKV-on-a-RNS-510-Screen-installed

For reference here are the pin numbers wire colours

Wide Black Plug
16 - Red / Yellow

Brown Plug
7 - Purple / Yellow
8 - Blue / Red
9 - White / Green
10 - Green / Yellow

Black Plug
6 - Green / White
7 - Purple / Green

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One question.. it remembers my temp settings but not the heated set settings.. IE if i have it on level 2 and turn the car off.. when I turn it back on the heated seat is off. Is this correct?

Cheers

Nathan
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: golfman on February 28, 2015, 06:58:01 pm
There is something in the Adaption that you can do so it remembers what you had it set to before!!!!

scott :happy2:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 28, 2015, 07:10:57 pm

There is something in the Adaption that you can do so it remembers what you had it set to before!!!!

scott :happy2:

Any idea what or how ?


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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: golfman on February 28, 2015, 07:14:18 pm

There is something in the Adaption that you can do so it remembers what you had it set to before!!!!

scott :happy2:

Any idea what or how ?


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If you have vag com go into the ac controller and go into the adaption channels and you will see something for retention of the drivers seat heating just set it to always

job done

scott
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on February 28, 2015, 09:36:16 pm


There is something in the Adaption that you can do so it remembers what you had it set to before!!!!

scott :happy2:

Any idea what or how ?


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If you have vag com go into the ac controller and go into the adaption channels and you will see something for retention of the drivers seat heating just set it to always

job done

scott

Excellent. I do have vcds. I'll do it later.


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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on March 01, 2015, 09:09:53 pm
What cluster do you have? Looks really nice!!!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on March 01, 2015, 10:26:52 pm

What cluster do you have? Looks really nice!!!

Mk6 gti



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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: USBulldog on April 04, 2015, 08:30:36 am
Hey guys,
One thing confuses me about the wire swap a bit. I get that Pin 16 needs to go in to the Pin 20 slot and that Pin 20 stays removed. My car already has the "Auto" function on my '09 mk5 climatronic so i'm assuming it has the AQS fitted.
Do I need to do any other wire swaps for the AQS or just the 16 & 20 wires?

Cheers
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on April 04, 2015, 10:12:09 am
Hey guys,
One thing confuses me about the wire swap a bit. I get that Pin 16 needs to go in to the Pin 20 slot and that Pin 20 stays removed. My car already has the "Auto" function on my '09 mk5 climatronic so i'm assuming it has the AQS fitted.
Do I need to do any other wire swaps for the AQS or just the 16 & 20 wires?

Cheers
You don't have AQS fitted most likely. You'd have to have 2 LED lights on the air recirc button.

Climatronic is an auto-AC so all Climatronics have that auto function. Mine is a '09 mk5 as well and it doesn't have AQS fitted. Just some late mk5 Golf variants got them, that I know of. :smiley:

Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: USBulldog on April 04, 2015, 02:44:40 pm
Hey guys,
One thing confuses me about the wire swap a bit. I get that Pin 16 needs to go in to the Pin 20 slot and that Pin 20 stays removed. My car already has the "Auto" function on my '09 mk5 climatronic so i'm assuming it has the AQS fitted.
Do I need to do any other wire swaps for the AQS or just the 16 & 20 wires?

Cheers
You don't have AQS fitted most likely. You'd have to have 2 LED lights on the air recirc button.

Climatronic is an auto-AC so all Climatronics have that auto function. Mine is a '09 mk5 as well and it doesn't have AQS fitted. Just some late mk5 Golf variants got them, that I know of. :smiley:

Ah then in that case I do have one fitted, it's a Variant and there are two led's on the button along with two symbols. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geekleather.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2FIMAG0621-e1428155245365.jpg&hash=abf6fcdd58728e4ee2bdcec33d78b5bb80da8126)
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on April 04, 2015, 07:53:01 pm
Yeah, you have AQS.  :happy2:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: USBulldog on April 04, 2015, 08:00:13 pm
Yeah, you have AQS.  :happy2:

Cool, so do I just need to move pin 16 to position 20 and finish there?
I'm going to the dealer on Tuesday to order the surround trim and do the swap next weekend.

Cheers
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Snake on May 18, 2015, 02:23:46 pm
Ok thanks and did your old car have the econ button previously?

@Si_r32 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3698) are you able to explain which wires need swapping please.

i will pm what wires to change

Could you please pm me the wires changes
I have econ and change the 16 and 20 pin but the compressor wont work
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 23, 2015, 08:53:00 pm
Fitted it to my eddy yesterday!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.garaget.org%2Fgallery%2Fimages%2F1%2F481%2F481-f1cbb1637c551ca6c7f4be8cfb420f25_large.jpg&hash=bd7eaf19cc7882567cac0c155080ad0f446eb267)
Had a mk6 connector from wich i took the cable 20 (same colour as mk5 pin 16 bit with bigger connector)  to move to pin 20 om my mk5 harness. Kept the original small conector to be able to change back.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.garaget.org%2Fgallery%2Fimages%2F1%2F481%2F481-33315555ea013d16b3bc1f77d0b9ade5_large.jpg&hash=4158c533ddd59ce9f2ad198832197e1f1b6735e9)
Voila! Works wit my Blaupunkt Philadelphia stereo!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 29, 2015, 03:25:53 pm
I have a problem....

After about 20-50 sec, no air from my front vents when i turn down to coolest setting.... Everything else seems to work... Do i need to move wites from the other connectors aswell? Only moved one wire and disconntected one fram the black plug... I have 2 flaps in my air system in the car so i probably must parrallel wire them? Or could it just do with a basic setting?!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 29, 2015, 11:26:38 pm
Now it works!!!

Did this!!
change:
Motors in parallel:
On C Connector (brown): Pin 7 connected to Pin 10 and Pin 8 connected to Pin 9

Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on July 18, 2015, 09:10:48 pm
I'm really struggling with this mod and can't get it to work :(

There are loads of guides, been scouring the net for ages but every one leaves guess work :(

Plug 'A' black
remove pin 16 and remove pin 20
put wire 16 in hole 20 and leave wire 20 loose.

Plug 'B'
pin 6 to pin 7
I already have a wire in pin 7
do I remove wire 7 and leave it out?

Plug 'C'
pin 7 to pin 10
I already have a wire in pin 10
do I remove wire 10 and leave that out?

Plug 'C'
pin 8 to pin 9
I already have a wire in pin 9
do I remove wire 9 and leave that out?

Sorry to bring this up again but if the above wires are to be 'joined'
I'd like to know.  I don't wish to just join wires and hope for no smoke :(

Also I'll need to fit Aie Quality Sensor later

Thats confusing too.
Some guides state connector 'C' but I think it means Connector 'A'
as it mentions the earlier 16 to 20 wire swap earlier on connector 'A'

Pin 1 to pin 20 - well that now has wire 16 in.
(or does it mean joined to the 'now floating wire 20' and not actually in the socket at all)

Pin 2 to  pin 19
That also already has a wire in pin 19 are these joined or what?
Pin 3 to pin 4  I think that is empty.

@Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345)
If I buy a conversion loom off you, I hear you make them up.
Is it just a plug & play loom with all three plugs and sockets to simply pliug inline?


I'm pulling my hair out here....LoL

Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on August 06, 2015, 08:19:20 am
Cheers for help guys.....(insert sarcasm)

Still no idea, still unsuccessful, and no replies :(
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on August 06, 2015, 09:21:54 pm
I really don't know. I've wrote down my fixes to my problems...  :sad1:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Lyons on November 05, 2015, 08:43:33 am
I'm only getting round to fitting the Mk6 panel now despite it sitting in the glove box for 6 months! I have 1 query though, the bit below, does it actually mean swap the pins (as per the 16 and 20 swap) or does it actually mean connect the wires together?

Now it works!!!

Did this!!
change:
Motors in parallel:
On C Connector (brown): Pin 7 connected to Pin 10 and Pin 8 connected to Pin 9
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Lyons on November 05, 2015, 01:12:11 pm
I plugged the Mk6 unit in first to check it and everything seemed to work?! What do all the wire swaps allow to happen?
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: K9 on November 05, 2015, 04:07:33 pm
I plugged the Mk6 unit in first to check it and everything seemed to work?! What do all the wire swaps allow to happen?
i guess it depends on the year of your car
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on November 05, 2015, 04:29:17 pm
I plugged the Mk6 unit in first to check it and everything seemed to work?! What do all the wire swaps allow to happen?
Have you turned off the car and back on again? For late models the pin swap only allows the panel to remember the settings after the car being turned off.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Lyons on November 05, 2015, 04:49:05 pm
Yes. Temperature remained the same.

Mine is early 07.

What does the pin swap do on early models? Do all pin swaps just cover the memory side of it- 16 to 20 and the other ones? Or are they for separate things?
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on November 05, 2015, 04:59:06 pm
Yes. Temperature remained the same.

Mine is early 07.

What does the pin swap do on early models? Do all pin swaps just cover the memory side of it- 16 to 20 and the other ones? Or are they for separate things?
AFAIK the early models need the flap motors in parallel as well:
Quote
Motors in parallel:
On C Connector (brown): Pin 7 connected to Pin 10 and Pin 8 connected to Pin 9
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Lyons on November 05, 2015, 05:09:22 pm
Right ok, so the pin 16 to 20 is the memory side of it?

I might just install it then and use it for a while to see what happens.

What constitutes as an early model anyway?! Up to when??
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on November 05, 2015, 05:58:02 pm
The late version only has 1 flap engine, while the early had 2. I think the early models were made till mid 2006, not sure about this AC feature.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Lyons on November 05, 2015, 09:53:37 pm
Cheers. I'll get it fitted and see what happens over the next few days.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 10, 2016, 01:22:56 pm
Please can someone shed some clarity regarding the secondary wires needed
Also if the air quality sensor is wired as shown?

I have put together a diagram to help explain what I don't understand.

Eddie NL has ignored my question on here.
I also sent a PM asking to buy a wiring loom.
Totally ignored.  I thought we were meant to be helpful on here!

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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on March 10, 2016, 10:21:20 pm
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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 11, 2016, 08:19:15 am
Thank you :)
The pictures refer to plug 'A' which pins 16 & 20 have different size connectors.
I'm almost certain I have plug 'A' sorted.

It is plugs 'B' & 'C' that I really want to know which way to go.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: SI-R32 on March 11, 2016, 08:44:57 am
From your picture B,  B,  modified is the correct way
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 11, 2016, 01:37:27 pm
From your picture B,  B,  modified is the correct way

Thank you Si :)

So this looks to be correct now.
Anyone can feel free to share this, in OK :)

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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on March 12, 2016, 11:10:39 am
Anyone else getting really bad misting up after doing this mod? I have to have the aircon on all the time now even if its a nice day. Never had to before doing this mod.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 15, 2016, 08:45:11 am
Anyone else getting really bad misting up after doing this mod? I have to have the aircon on all the time now even if its a nice day. Never had to before doing this mod.

I have the same issue. I don't know why. With MK5 climatronic panel no misting problems but with the new one really bad misting.

Have you checked that the air recirculation flap is not closed? Newer type circulation only has one big flap that moves over the blower to change the air flow. You can also listen to the sound when pressing recirculation to on, if the sound changes then the flap is working ok.

On mine the flap is doing what it's supposed to do, but  still the misting is bad.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on March 20, 2016, 12:58:15 am
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 21, 2016, 06:01:28 am
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!

If you're referring to misting, the wiring is not the problem. I only have one flap not two as in the pre-2007 models. I can hear the flap opening and closing just fine when it switches to interior circulation.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 21, 2016, 01:14:43 pm
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!

If you're referring to misting, the wiring is not the problem. I only have one flap not two as in the pre-2007 models. I can hear the flap opening and closing just fine when it switches to interior circulation.

Think you may be wrong, if reg is 2007 or less then you'll have two flaps
Mine is 2005 and can I hear the flap motors change and switch to interior circulation, when selecting reverse, as it's suppose to!
I definitely have two flaps though! (ouerrr)
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on March 21, 2016, 02:29:33 pm
Please can someone shed some clarity regarding the secondary wires needed
Also if the air quality sensor is wired as shown?

I have put together a diagram to help explain what I don't understand.

Eddie NL has ignored my question on here.
I also sent a PM asking to buy a wiring loom.
Totally ignored.  I thought we were meant to be helpful on here!

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi727.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww273%2Fady-uk%2FVW%2520Golf%2FMk6%2520CLIMATRONIC%2520PANEL%2520TO%2520Mk5%2520-%2520PRE%25202007.jpg&hash=bbfafe3a8028ee8cb962518cca5c40090dbcb524) (http://s727.photobucket.com/user/ady-uk/media/VW%20Golf/Mk6%20CLIMATRONIC%20PANEL%20TO%20Mk5%20-%20PRE%202007.jpg.html)

Sorry but I'm not on here much now
and I get bombarded with loads of questions for free advice so accept my apologies for not getting back to you
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 22, 2016, 05:59:09 am
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!

If you're referring to misting, the wiring is not the problem. I only have one flap not two as in the pre-2007 models. I can hear the flap opening and closing just fine when it switches to interior circulation.

Think you may be wrong, if reg is 2007 or less then you'll have two flaps
Mine is 2005 and can I hear the flap motors change and switch to interior circulation, when selecting reverse, as it's suppose to!
I definitely have two flaps though! (ouerrr)

Nope, one flap. I've removed the glove box plenty enough to see that. There's only one big flap changing position and one motor on the left side of it (LHD car). Also ELSA is stating for my car that there's only one flap and one motor.

The funny thing is that windscreen is not misting at all, only side windows. I'm actually starting to suspect that there's condensation somewhere inside the car which is causing this issue. I'll try to get some silica pads and put them to the footwells. Let's see if that will suck the condensation out.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 22, 2016, 06:26:25 pm
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!

If you're referring to misting, the wiring is not the problem. I only have one flap not two as in the pre-2007 models. I can hear the flap opening and closing just fine when it switches to interior circulation.

Think you may be wrong, if reg is 2007 or less then you'll have two flaps
Mine is 2005 and can I hear the flap motors change and switch to interior circulation, when selecting reverse, as it's suppose to!
I definitely have two flaps though! (ouerrr)

First of all, I promise I'll never question anyone before making sure that I know what I'm talking about :) You were correct. I took the glovebox off once again as I had some spare time today. And indeed, two motors as there's two flaps that are changing position. Big one that closes the circulation between outside and inside and a smaller one that opens when switching to interior circulation.
So sorry for questioning you.

I did the wiring change to plug B and C and the smaller flap is now working ok but the bigger one isn't. It isn't moving no matter what I do.

No error codes in climatronic either so I'm not sure now if the flap motor is busted or if the wiring is still incorrect.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 23, 2016, 08:33:12 am
I think it is what my pictures are for!!! You need to do as i did wirh the wires to override the flap!!

If you're referring to misting, the wiring is not the problem. I only have one flap not two as in the pre-2007 models. I can hear the flap opening and closing just fine when it switches to interior circulation.

Think you may be wrong, if reg is 2007 or less then you'll have two flaps
Mine is 2005 and can I hear the flap motors change and switch to interior circulation, when selecting reverse, as it's suppose to!
I definitely have two flaps though! (ouerrr)

First of all, I promise I'll never question anyone before making sure that I know what I'm talking about :) You were correct. I took the glovebox off once again as I had some spare time today. And indeed, two motors as there's two flaps that are changing position. Big one that closes the circulation between outside and inside and a smaller one that opens when switching to interior circulation.
So sorry for questioning you.

I did the wiring change to plug B and C and the smaller flap is now working ok but the bigger one isn't. It isn't moving no matter what I do.

No error codes in climatronic either so I'm not sure now if the flap motor is busted or if the wiring is still incorrect.


No worries.....I've still not cut my wires yet so can't tell you.
Hopefully have a play this long weekend and will tell you.

In the cold weather it isn't a problem as everything 'seems to work' and motors make the correct sounds.
In mid summer tho, totally different, reach for full aircon, coldest setting and initially you get cold air, then it dwindles to no air, after about 2 minutes and you end up sweating like a pig on a BBQ :(
I found that out last year :(
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on March 23, 2016, 09:52:31 am
No worries.....I've still not cut my wires yet so can't tell you.
Hopefully have a play this long weekend and will tell you.

In the cold weather it isn't a problem as everything 'seems to work' and motors make the correct sounds.
In mid summer tho, totally different, reach for full aircon, coldest setting and initially you get cold air, then it dwindles to no air, after about 2 minutes and you end up sweating like a pig on a BBQ :(
I found that out last year



The reason you are sweating like a pig is because your air con is not working.

I'm sure if you read up on this, you will see that a lot of 2004 - 2007 Diesel cars can't get the Air con to work after installing a mk6 climate panel. Only the very earliest mk6 climate panels had a chance of working or you have to change your ECU

VCDS will tell you for sure, when you look at MVB for compressor shut off conditions
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 23, 2016, 10:41:34 am
The reason you are sweating like a pig is because your air con is not working.

I'm sure if you read up on this, you will see that a lot of 2004 - 2007 Diesel cars can't get the Air con to work after installing a mk6 climate panel. Only the very earliest mk6 climate panels had a chance of working or you have to change your ECU

VCDS will tell you for sure, when you look at MVB for compressor shut off conditions

Luckily in my case the aircon is working. Plenty of cold air last summer. Problems started in cold and misty weather when the windows started misting really bad.

I managed to manually turn the bigger flap to fresh air position. The smaller flap in front is working correctly after the wire swap but the bigger one isn't. I'm suspecting the motor is somehow not working correctly.

I have to dig up the schematics from Elsa first though to double check that the wiring change I did accordingly to instructions here, are infact correct.

I'm guessing it's possible to make this to work as well if I manage to get a newer style fresh air vent part with single motor?

Edit :

One question. The flap motor is not giving any errors to VCDS. Shouldn't it be doing that if it's broken? The motor is not giving any resistance to the flap itself when you move it by hand. It's easily movable to both directions so that makes me suspect that motor is kaput.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on March 23, 2016, 12:37:10 pm
petrol cars don't have problems with ECU and mk6 climate.

you can change the flap unit
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on March 24, 2016, 06:22:14 am
I had the exact same problem. After a short while the air stopped at tje vents towards me. Then i made my connection in the pictures both flaps opened and it works!! When i bought the mk6 clima i got the connectors with cables on that I checked the wiring with.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on March 24, 2016, 08:31:52 am
The reason you are sweating like a pig is because your air con is not working.

I'm sure if you read up on this, you will see that a lot of 2004 - 2007 Diesel cars can't get the Air con to work after installing a mk6 climate panel. Only the very earliest mk6 climate panels had a chance of working or you have to change your ECU

VCDS will tell you for sure, when you look at MVB for compressor shut off conditions

Luckily in my case the aircon is working. Plenty of cold air last summer. Problems started in cold and misty weather when the windows started misting really bad.

I managed to manually turn the bigger flap to fresh air position. The smaller flap in front is working correctly after the wire swap but the bigger one isn't. I'm suspecting the motor is somehow not working correctly.

I have to dig up the schematics from Elsa first though to double check that the wiring change I did accordingly to instructions here, are infact correct.

I'm guessing it's possible to make this to work as well if I manage to get a newer style fresh air vent part with single motor?

Edit :

One question. The flap motor is not giving any errors to VCDS. Shouldn't it be doing that if it's broken? The motor is not giving any resistance to the flap itself when you move it by hand. It's easily movable to both directions so that makes me suspect that motor is kaput.


I'm not sure.......
The air feels cold and I don't think I get aircon error in VCDS but will look again.
The problem is the air slowly shuts itself off and I just get no air.
Can hear the air being strangled, behind the dash but not coming out the vents.

Why I wanted to buy one of your looms so I could just plug in-line and swap back as many times as needed without keep cutting wires.

Is it a massive job to swap the 2005 airbox with two flaps, for a 2008 airbox with single flap? :D

I' also guessing swapping the ECU isn't easy as will need programming / mapping etc.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on March 24, 2016, 09:03:05 am
post 44 & 45

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4938269-OEM-MKVI-Climatronic-on-a-MKV-on-a-RNS-510-Screen-installed/page2
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: jedi-knight83 on March 24, 2016, 09:17:30 am
I've had a quick scan through these latest posts but I don't think anyone has said why my 2006 GTI is misting? Will it never work correctly with the MK6 panel? As in that case I might swap it back to the MK5 one.

Running the AC all the time just to stop misting is annoying.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Eddie-NL on March 24, 2016, 11:49:27 am
The only way to get it 100% working is to change the flap to a single flap

No wiring change will make it mist up
changing some of the wiring will reduce the misting up but it still won't work fully as changing the flap
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on March 29, 2016, 06:17:10 am
The only way to get it 100% working is to change the flap to a single flap

No wiring change will make it mist up
changing some of the wiring will reduce the misting up but it still won't work fully as changing the flap

It seems this is the case. With the wiring change and fixing the broken latch on the inner motor, I now got both flaps moving correctly with the recirc button. But, the movement is not flawless. Sometimes the flaps just get stuck half way. Most of the time they work ok though and I sprayed some lubricant to the moving parts yesterday and that seems to have helped for the most parts.

Anyway the more annoying issue is that I cannot clear this fault :

9472882 - Motor for Fresh Air / Recirculated Air Flap
          B108B 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

I've done the basic setting numerous times with VCDS and through the climatronic panel buttons. No dice. Flaps move correctly when I observed them during the basic settings routine but still the error appears all the time.

It does not affect the climatronic in any way but is an annoying issue.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on April 15, 2016, 01:20:10 pm
UPDATE:

I need a new ECU to get the aircon to kick in, hopefully will be 'cloned' and fitted tonight :D

Have done all the wiring wiring changes and flaps work but not 100%

I have two flaps by the blower (passenger area)
I assume these are the two that were updated to single flap?

How hard it it to upgrade to single flap?
Can just the l/h side of the air box be changed or is it the whole complete unit.  all behins the centre console etc.  whole dash out :(
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on April 15, 2016, 01:27:36 pm
I have a friend who can replace just the blower without removing the dash. Don't ask me how he does it, I never asked and it seemed to me that he wanted to keep it as a professional secret. Both my Golfs have a one flap blower.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on April 15, 2016, 03:24:59 pm
Would he be interested in doing mine if I get a blower.
Glove box is already out so a bit easier :)

I have a friend who can replace just the blower without removing the dash. Don't ask me how he does it, I never asked and it seemed to me that he wanted to keep it as a professional secret. Both my Golfs have a one flap blower.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on April 15, 2016, 03:31:49 pm
Replacing the blower is the best way to do the retrofit work 100%. I'm sure one of the forum retrofitters can help you with that. :smiley:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 09, 2016, 06:02:18 am
I managed to source a aircon channel block with motors for the blower part. This new part has the recirc flap with just one motor. Is it possible to just swap the flap assembly part without having to replace the whole block which looks like a tremendous work as it seems to require a removal of complete dash?

My car is Golf Plus 2006.

Thanks for the tips on this one.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on May 09, 2016, 08:13:31 am
Can you post the part number as I need to source single flap air box but want to make sure it is correct.
Also a picture of what to look for would be useful, when trying to look at crappy ebay pictures.

I really don't want the hassle of buying the wring one :(

Regarding fitting, I've heard it can be done easier than full dash removal but no-idea how.
I'll look for someone who can, when I need mine swapping over :D


I managed to source a aircon channel block with motors for the blower part. This new part has the recirc flap with just one motor. Is it possible to just swap the flap assembly part without having to replace the whole block which looks like a tremendous work as it seems to require a removal of complete dash?

My car is Golf Plus 2006.

Thanks for the tips on this one.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 09, 2016, 10:12:58 am
Can you post the part number as I need to source single flap air box but want to make sure it is correct.
Also a picture of what to look for would be useful, when trying to look at crappy ebay pictures.

I really don't want the hassle of buying the wring one :(

Regarding fitting, I've heard it can be done easier than full dash removal but no-idea how.
I'll look for someone who can, when I need mine swapping over :D


I managed to source a aircon channel block with motors for the blower part. This new part has the recirc flap with just one motor. Is it possible to just swap the flap assembly part without having to replace the whole block which looks like a tremendous work as it seems to require a removal of complete dash?

My car is Golf Plus 2006.

Thanks for the tips on this one.

I bought the complete box not just the recirc flap part.

This one :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272054769455?_trksid=p2057872.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 23, 2016, 05:32:25 am
I finally swapped the recirc -box to single motor one two days ago. On Golf Plus you can separate the box from the complete module. It's only held in place by two screws and clips.

But it was a real PITA to get the old box out and new in without dismantling the whole dashboard. The old box did not come out in one piece, I had to break it. The new one went in actually quite nicely when I took the motor and the big flap out. It allowed the box to bend so that it was possible to tweak it in.

Now everything works great. No more problems with stucking flaps and error messages about missing calibration. Also automatic recirc function now works flawlessly. Now one thing that bothers me which I'm not sure if it's due to single motor or what but when putting the blower to max speed, it makes a really audible grumbling noise and the whole dashboard vibrates very clearly. I'm not sure if this was before or not.
How is your's if you put the blower to max? Does it make the same grumbling sound and vibrations?

So it's doable without dash out it seems. Not easy but doable.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: ady-uk on May 23, 2016, 08:19:46 am
Mine don't 'grumble' but is a good amount of blowing so can hear obvious blower noise.....

I still need a single flap blower box unit first :(
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 23, 2016, 08:32:52 am
Mine don't 'grumble' but is a good amount of blowing so can hear obvious blower noise.....

Yes, blower noise is really audible as it was before. Now it just seems to be accompanied with the low vibrating noise. Could be due to one motor dual flap config also. The new box is really well secured so I don't think that is the cause for the vibrations.

Normal speeds I can't hear anything. Just the two max speeds are causing noise.

Edit :

Ok I think I can guess what's wrong with the blower. Something most likely dropped to the blower motor when detaching the old air recirc box and that is causing the noise. I'm taking the motor off today to check for extra things not belonging there :)
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 24, 2016, 04:03:10 pm
Haa, found the reason for blower vibra. Serial sticker had come off from the recirc box during the swap and dropped to blower motor. That caused the noise.

Now it's just making the normal blower noise and not vibrating anymore :) yay.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 25, 2016, 08:48:47 pm
I have the mk6 clima in my ed30 but i can't reach the clima in vcds? Don't know whar's wrong? And sugestions?
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 26, 2016, 05:29:29 am
I have the mk6 clima in my ed30 but i can't reach the clima in vcds? Don't know whar's wrong? And sugestions?

Can you see it in autoscan list? Do you have an original VCDS cable? The cheap China copies sometimes do that they can't connect to a module. Shutting down vcds and detaching the cable usually helps.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: The Red Warrior on May 27, 2016, 12:11:56 pm
I'm amassing parts to do this including the air quality sensor. Still waiting on the two repair wires before I go ahead.
However, the more I read about this mod the more I worry about how many problems I'm gonna run into. I've read various other threads about this mod too, but this is the first time I've read about having to replace the blower box unit in order to have everything functioning correctly.
Mine's going to be going into a 2005 GTI.
I do have VCDS.
I'll take photos as I go to post up here to either assist in being helped or to help others depending on how much luck I have.
Wish me luck. 
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 27, 2016, 06:03:18 pm
I have the mk6 clima in my ed30 but i can't reach the clima in vcds? Don't know whar's wrong? And sugestions?

Can you see it in autoscan list? Do you have an original VCDS cable? The cheap China copies sometimes do that they can't connect to a module. Shutting down vcds and detaching the cable usually helps.

Hi!
I have a genuine vcds cable!! It shows on autoscan but it says "no connection" can't be reached... Have tried to change canbus gateway to a newer but still no luck, i think this has to do with another problem i have. The audio menu in my mfd does not show up either... Mfsw buttons work but only volume to me headunit.. It has worked before...
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 30, 2016, 05:45:41 am
I have the mk6 clima in my ed30 but i can't reach the clima in vcds? Don't know whar's wrong? And sugestions?

Can you see it in autoscan list? Do you have an original VCDS cable? The cheap China copies sometimes do that they can't connect to a module. Shutting down vcds and detaching the cable usually helps.

Hi!
I have a genuine vcds cable!! It shows on autoscan but it says "no connection" can't be reached... Have tried to change canbus gateway to a newer but still no luck, i think this has to do with another problem i have. The audio menu in my mfd does not show up either... Mfsw buttons work but only volume to me headunit.. It has worked before...

Your radio isn't giving any errors about single wire operation possibly? Symptoms sound like the other comfort can bus wire is broken.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 30, 2016, 09:10:02 pm
Don't know what you mean, read here for more info (conplete vcds scan).
Were does that wire run? From gateway to? Thanks!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on May 31, 2016, 05:52:17 am
Don't know what you mean, read here for more info (conplete vcds scan).
Were does that wire run? From gateway to? Thanks!

Sorry, can't see that scan?

Yes, the car has three different can bus'. Drive train, convenience and infotainment. They all run to CAN gateway which handles the messaging between the different buses. There's a very good self study article here : http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_238.pdf

The can bus is physically a twisted pair of cables. If the other cable is broked, the can bus will still operate but it will go to single wire mode which means it is not having parallel receive and transmit but instead it's receiving and transmitting asynchronously.
This could cause all sorts of symptoms. For example not being able to connect to an unit.

If you can post the full VCDS scan here it would be more helpful.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
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Hello!
Need help with my eddy.... My msfw have stopped working with my stereo.
Short story,
Worked before i installed the mk6 clinate controll (i think i was after that i stopped working), changed the canbus gateway and coded it to match my original. The audio "meny" in my big mfd does not appear at all. The mfsw button works but i can't reach audio in mfd, volume works though.
Have a Blaupunkt Philadelphia 835 if that matters. Also have a P3 cars obd gauge. I think it has do to with coding the gateway but i am a newbie in vcds but i have borrowed vcds from a friend now... I have now installed my original gateway and still no audio in mfd.... Need help!!!

Can someone help me with long coding? What info about the car you need?
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Installationslista Gateway:  1K0 907 530 K

00-Givare styrvinkel -- Status: OK 0000
01-Motor -- Status: OK 0000
02-Automatväxel -- Status: OK 0000
03-Bromselektronik -- Status: OK 0000
08-Klimatanläggning -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
09-Elektron. elcentral -- Status: OK 0000
15-Krockkuddar -- Status: OK 0000
16-Rattelektronik -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
17-Instrument -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
25-Startspärr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigering -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
42-Dörrel. förare -- Status: OK 0000
44-Styrservo -- Status: OK 0000
46-Komfortcentral -- Status: OK 0000
47-Ljudsystem -- Status: OK 0000
52-Dörrelektr. pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Helljusområde -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
62-Dörr vä. bak -- Status: OK 0000
72-Dörr hö bak -- Status: OK 0000

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00-Givare styrvinkel -- Status: OK 0000
01-Motor -- Status: OK 0000
02-Automatväxel -- Status: OK 0000
03-Bromselektronik -- Status: OK 0000
08-Klimatanläggning -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
09-Elektron. elcentral -- Status: OK 0000
15-Krockkuddar -- Status: OK 0000
16-Rattelektronik -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
17-Instrument -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
25-Startspärr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigering -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
42-Dörrel. förare -- Status: OK 0000
44-Styrservo -- Status: OK 0000
46-Komfortcentral -- Status: OK 0000
47-Ljudsystem -- Status: OK 0000
52-Dörrelektr. pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Helljusområde -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Felfunktion 0010
62-Dörr vä. bak -- Status: OK 0000
72-Dörr hö bak -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Adress 01: Motor        Labels: AER\06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 907 115 L    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Komponent: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030 
   Revision: 5BH16---    Serienummer: VWZ7Z0F8232682
   Kodning: 040300031C070160
   Verkstad #: WSC 00191 264 15243
   VCID: 2F552DADBEB5F059C75-807A

Ingen felkod funnen.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Adress 02: Automatväxel        Labels: AER\02E-927-770.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 02E 300 044 T    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
   Komponent: GSG DSG         070 1301 
   Revision: 04507000    Serienummer: 00000611160735
   Kodning: 0000020
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 267BC889914FB111343-8073

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 03: Bromselektronik        Labels: AER\1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Komponent: ESP FRONT MK60      0101 
   Revision: 00H11001   
   Kodning: 0004738
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73DDE1DD121D94B963D-8026

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 08: Klimatanläggning / Climate controll
Kan ej nås / could not be reached

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Adress 09: Elektron. elcentral        Labels: AER\3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
   Komponent: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002 
   Revision: 00H52000    Serienummer: 00000006489249
   Kodning: EF0F8E070032151455000005140000000008330F620001
   Verkstad #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 6CEFFAA14F234B41A27-8039

   Subsystem 1 - Artikelnr: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: AER\1KX-955-119.CLB
   Komponent: Wischer 011206 020  0501 
   Kodning: 00038805
   Verkstad #: WSC 01287 

   Subsystem 2 - Artikelnr: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: AER\1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Komponent: RLS     061206 020  0105 
   Kodning: 00208933
   Verkstad #: WSC 01287 

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 15: Krockkuddar        Labels: AER\1K0-909-605.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Komponent: 37 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300 
   Revision: 05020000    Serienummer: 0038PD0XBLH2 
   Kodning: 0013111
   Verkstad #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 3D4907E564D912C9459-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serienummer: 6332MSME1579003C8

   Subsystem 2 - Serienummer: 6342MSME153B353CF

   Subsystem 3 - Serienummer: 6352QSME1C561B29O

   Subsystem 4 - Serienummer: 6362QSME1B2B1845L

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 16: Rattelektronik        Labels: AER\1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
   Komponent: J0527           036 0070 
   Kodning: 0012142
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 0131BB1558A1B629611-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Artikelnr: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Komponent: E0221           002 0010

1 fel funnet:
00888 - Vindrutetorkarbrytare för intervalldrift (E22)
            014 - felaktig

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Adress 17: Instrument        Labels: AER\1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K6 920 873     HW: 1K6 920 873
   Komponent: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610 
   Revision: V0003000    Serienummer: VWZ7Z0F8232682
   Kodning: 0007103
   Verkstad #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 6FD5EDAD7E35B059875-803A

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: AER\1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Komponent: J533__Gateway   H04 0020 
   Revision:   H04 02    Serienummer: 131206F2001267
   Kodning: 7F3F034A07000002
   Verkstad #: WSC 45874 085 65877
   VCID: 2F552DADBEB5F059C75-807A

1 fel funnet: / 1 FAULT
01305 - Datenbus Infotainment
            004 - Ingen signal/förbindelse / NO SIGNAL
             frysta data:
                    Felstatus: 01100100
                    Felprioritet: 1
                    Felfrekvens: 1
                    Reset-räknare: 145
                    Mätarställning: 121916 km
                    Tidsindikering: 0
                    Datum: 2000.00.00
                    Tid: 11:42:51


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Adress 25: Startspärr        Labels: AER\1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Artikelnr SW: 1K6 920 873     HW: 1K6 920 873
   Komponent: IMMO            VDD 1610 
   Revision: V0003000    Serienummer: VWZ7Z0F8232682
   Verkstad #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6FD5EDAD7E35B059875-803A

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 37: Navigering /navigation
Kan ej nås / could not be reached

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Adress 42: Dörrel. förare        Labels: AER\1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Komponent: Tuer-SG         005 0985 
   Kodning: 0000244
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 384716F14BFB37E196F-806D

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 44: Styrservo        Labels: AER\1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Artikelnr: 1K1 909 144 L
   Komponent: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806 
   Verkstad #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 345F22C15793D381BA7-8061

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 46: Komfortcentral        Labels: AER\1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Komponent:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0203 
   Revision: 00020000    Serienummer: 00000000000000
   Kodning: 809002005103087F2D00840560084F03E0F800
   Verkstad #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 033DB11D42BDA43973D-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Komponent:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Komponent:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Komponent:      IRUE n.mounted     

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 47: Ljudsystem / Audio system
Kan ej nås / could not be reached

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Adress 52: Dörrelektr. pass.        Labels: AER\1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Komponent: Tuer-SG         005 0985 
   Kodning: 0000244
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 394113F570F12EE9691-806C

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 55: Helljusområde        Labels: AER\1T0-907-357.lbl
   Artikelnr: 1T0 907 357
   Komponent: Dynamische LWR      0003 
   Kodning: 0000003
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74DFE2C1171393817A7-8021

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 56: Radio
Kan ej nås / could noy be reached

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Adress 62: Dörr vä. bak        Labels: AER\1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 959 703 K    HW: 1K0 959 703 K
   Komponent: Tuer-SG         005 0913 
   Kodning: 0000208
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 1012551
   VCID: 384716F14BFB37E196F-806D

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Adress 72: Dörr hö bak        Labels: AER\1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Artikelnr SW: 1K0 959 704 K    HW: 1K0 959 704 K
   Komponent: Tuer-SG         005 0913 
   Kodning: 0000208
   Verkstad #: WSC 01279 785 1012551
   VCID: 394113F570F12EE9691-806C

Ingen felkod funnen.

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Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on May 31, 2016, 02:28:14 pm
This is my VCDS scan of my mk6 climatronic panel bought from Boldsport without automatic air recirculation:

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 CJ    HW: 5K0 907 044 CJ
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0709 
   Revision: 00003001   
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SE36.rod
   VCID: 75E10756D4613BB6B75-8020

1 Fault Found:
13701456 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
          U1111 00 [009] - -
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 72
                    Mileage: 58301 km
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 19:56:59

The error is due to the mk5 instrument cluster doesn't communicate with BAP protocol.

I use a 12.12.0 version VCDS cable.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 31, 2016, 06:21:19 pm
So you think it's the cluster that are the problem now for me? I have a newer gatewy and an adapter cable for mk6 cluster but haven't bought a mk6 R cluster yet...
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on May 31, 2016, 08:02:45 pm
So you think it's the cluster that are the problem now for me? I have a newer gatewy and an adapter cable for mk6 cluster but haven't bought a mk6 R cluster yet...
My error isn't significant. The panel works as it should. Your panel should show in VCDS scan. The CAN gateway isn't new enough, I think. The problem might be there. You need a L or from Q to above.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 31, 2016, 09:17:51 pm
I have tried another gateway 7K0 907 530 AK
And it was the same problem...
I hade the audio menu in mfd before mk6 clima install...

Could it be that my new gateway is to new? It's from 2012 caddy....?!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on May 31, 2016, 09:18:34 pm
My clima panel works well and displays on my blaupunkt philadelphia 835...
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on June 01, 2016, 12:08:44 am
AFAIK the newer the gateway the better. The AK would be better than the K.

Not sure what's happening with your panel if it shows well in the radio screen.  Maybe the issue is due to radio? I have a RNS-510 with BAP protocol disabled, so it shows everything radio/nav related in the instrument cluster and the climatronic commands show in the radio screen.  :thinking:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on June 01, 2016, 06:30:03 am
Before mk6 clima everything worked! I could se song etc in mfd change song with steering wheel and reach clima and radio with vcds.... It looks like i have no other option then switching back to mk5 clima... :sad1:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on June 01, 2016, 06:46:33 am
Before mk6 clima everything worked! I could se song etc in mfd change song with steering wheel and reach clima and radio with vcds.... It looks like i have no other option then switching back to mk5 clima... :sad1:

Do you have some sort of can bus converter for your radio? You don't have the original VW radio it seems so there must be some sort of box between the radio and the can bus to decipher the can bus signals.
I'm pretty sure that there is some sort of conversion box and that is now why the clima is not working. Old clima is not commnunicating to infotainment bus as it does not show the settings on the radio display like the mk6 clima does.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on June 01, 2016, 12:46:56 pm
The stereo is vw specified (only fits vag vars) and worked without problems with mk5 clima installed! The mk6 clima shows up on stereo display and i can still change volume with mfsw but now the audio menu in mfd disappeard.... And i can't reach clima or stereo with vcds....
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Shoduchi on June 01, 2016, 01:33:09 pm
The stereo is vw specified (only fits vag vars) and worked without problems with mk5 clima installed! The mk6 clima shows up on stereo display and i can still change volume with mfsw but now the audio menu in mfd disappeard.... And i can't reach clima or stereo with vcds....
Maybe there's some incompatibility issue with the mk6 climatronic panel. If you revert to the mk5 climatronic panel and all works fine again, you know what the culprit is. :wink:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: downtime on June 01, 2016, 01:48:48 pm
The stereo is vw specified (only fits vag vars) and worked without problems with mk5 clima installed! The mk6 clima shows up on stereo display and i can still change volume with mfsw but now the audio menu in mfd disappeard.... And i can't reach clima or stereo with vcds....

Hmm... Have you tried taking the battery negative out and letting the car sit powerless for few minutes? I know situations where the can gateway has gone stuck and power reset has revived it.

Other thing I would check is by taking out the radio and the clima panel and checking that the connections are secure and especially on the climatronic panel that the red locking latches are in place and that there are no bent or broken wires. Just to be sure.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on June 01, 2016, 10:45:36 pm
I think i have to disconnect the clima and see if it works...  :sad1:
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: The Red Warrior on June 09, 2016, 07:19:20 am
Well, I did mine on Saturday. Still haven't had the repair wires show up but didn't seem to need them. Where were they supposed to go anyway.
I used andy-uk's wiring diagram as mine is a 2005. Thanks heaps Andy.
The hardest part was finding where to get the wires through the firewall and into the car and being able to do it without pulling half the car to bits. Eventually found a way that was very easy.

I just cut and soldered all the necessary wires and put it together, did the basic settings thing with the buttons on the climatronic unit and all seems to be working fine.
Okay, I have an error due to non-single flap motor as discussed earlier, but otherwise I'm a happy chappy.
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Softishman on June 09, 2016, 02:05:39 pm
Update. It is my balupunkt stereo that doesen't speak with my cluster anymore... Think it could be due to an update i made... If I connect my rcd300 the audio meny pops up in my mfd BUT still can't change son with buttons on the steering wheel?! The climatronic can't be reached by vcds or odis.... But it works and show up on the blaupunkt...?!
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: lee_v_dub on March 08, 2018, 09:33:26 pm
I'm really struggling with this mod and can't get it to work :(

There are loads of guides, been scouring the net for ages but every one leaves guess work :(

Plug 'A' black
remove pin 16 and remove pin 20
put wire 16 in hole 20 and leave wire 20 loose.

Plug 'B'
pin 6 to pin 7
I already have a wire in pin 7
do I remove wire 7 and leave it out?

Plug 'C'
pin 7 to pin 10
I already have a wire in pin 10
do I remove wire 10 and leave that out?

Plug 'C'
pin 8 to pin 9
I already have a wire in pin 9
do I remove wire 9 and leave that out?

Sorry to bring this up again but if the above wires are to be 'joined'
I'd like to know.  I don't wish to just join wires and hope for no smoke :(

Also I'll need to fit Aie Quality Sensor later

Thats confusing too.
Some guides state connector 'C' but I think it means Connector 'A'
as it mentions the earlier 16 to 20 wire swap earlier on connector 'A'

Pin 1 to pin 20 - well that now has wire 16 in.
(or does it mean joined to the 'now floating wire 20' and not actually in the socket at all)

Pin 2 to  pin 19
That also already has a wire in pin 19 are these joined or what?
Pin 3 to pin 4  I think that is empty.

@Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345)
If I buy a conversion loom off you, I hear you make them up.
Is it just a plug & play loom with all three plugs and sockets to simply pliug inline?


I'm pulling my hair out here....LoL

Im sorry for bringing this back up but im also confused about this:

Quote
Motors in parallel:
On C Connector (brown): Pin 7 connected to Pin 10 and Pin 8 connected to Pin 9
On B Connector (black): Pin 6 to Pin 7

Do i connect pin 7 to pin 10 or remove pin 10 and put 7 in its place and leave 10 out. Also the same for the other wires ?
Any pics of how the wires look afterwards  ?
Mines 2005.
Any help would be greatly appreciated (im hoping to do this at the weekend).  :confused:
Thanks..


Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: Christiank on March 10, 2018, 06:57:25 pm
You should do this  :

The cables you remove is to put out the second flap motor out of the game at the air intake. So therefore these won't be connnected again, and can be taped safely away.

Brown C connector - remove pin 9 (white/green)
Brown C connector - remove pin 10 (yellow/green)
Black B connector - remove pin 7 (grey/green)

These cables will take the places from the 3 cables you have removed from the text above.

Brown C connector - swap pin 7 (purple/yellow) to pin 10
Brown C connector - swap pin 8 (blue/red) to pin 9
Black B connector - swap pin 6 (green/white) to pin 7
Title: Re: mk6 climate into 2006 mk5 gti
Post by: lee_v_dub on March 10, 2018, 07:09:33 pm
You should do this  :

The cables you remove is to put out the second flap motor out of the game at the air intake. So therefore these won't be connnected again, and can be taped safely away.

Brown C connector - remove pin 9 (white/green)
Brown C connector - remove pin 10 (yellow/green)
Black B connector - remove pin 7 (grey/green)

These cables will take the places from the 3 cables you have removed from the text above.

Brown C connector - swap pin 7 (purple/yellow) to pin 10
Brown C connector - swap pin 8 (blue/red) to pin 9
Black B connector - swap pin 6 (green/white) to pin 7
Awesome! Thanks buddy...  :happy2: