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Title: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: BMX on November 21, 2009, 01:29:11 pm
fitted my s3 alloy wishbones and s3 bushes today, couldnt beleve how heavy the standard gti wishbones were


gti = 4100 grams each

s3 = 2290 grams each

Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted today
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 21, 2009, 01:33:40 pm
I think they have them fitted to counteract the extra weight of the S3 brakes, the cupra has the same iirc. how much did they cost you.


i think id splash out for the TT lower control arms, aluminium but with additional camber adjustment
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: BMX on November 21, 2009, 01:50:11 pm
yeh thats what i thought they might be for, goood job i had the brakes already  :happy2:

they were £90 with the bushes all in mint condition, well happy

does the r32 have them too seen as that has the bigger brakes??
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: jonnyc on November 21, 2009, 01:52:07 pm
yeh thats what i thought they might be for, goood job i had the brakes already  :happy2:

they were £90 with the bushes all in mint condition, well happy

does the r32 have them too seen as that has the bigger brakes??

S3 hubs are alloy too.. Im planning on doing both for mine now.. Plus Scirocco rear hubs and bottom arms, all alloy.. All helps for sure!

I think there is a good 20kg in replacing all the suspension components to the alloy items! Plus its all unsprung mass, so its extra important!  :smiley:
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: keith on November 22, 2009, 09:49:12 am
Whats the part no's for the S3 bits BMX?
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 22, 2009, 10:08:19 am
keith, I've been looking at these

Part Nos:

1K0 407 151 AK

1K0 407 152 AK

Think they're 80 quid a piece
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: keith on November 22, 2009, 10:22:51 am
Thanks Dave
I am going to Trade parts place this week who spec in Vag parts so going to see what they quote me.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted today
Post by: tony_danza on November 22, 2009, 10:33:01 am

i think id splash out for the TT lower control arms, aluminium but with additional camber adjustment

Tell me more....
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 22, 2009, 11:07:31 am
when briskoda comes back online, ill post up all the part numbers and bits required to do the job

essentially the TT has an additional 0.5degree adjustable camber, std i believe you rare loking at 1 degree negative, so with the TT lower arms(FWD) you can have 1.5 degrees negative. Not a huge increase but i bet more than enough to make it go through corners alot better.

I actually purchased a set back along, then sold swapped them with a friend for his H2sport top mounts which i decided to sell on.

heres a review of them inaction http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=71940&highlight=lower+arms

Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: BMX on November 22, 2009, 11:49:41 am
had a good drive this morning and can defo notice the difference, feels really smooth over bumpy surfaces alot less crashy over potholes etc, cant really say i noticed much cornering wise, glad i did it though. not really bothered about the extra camber to be honest
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on November 22, 2009, 11:55:32 am
Cheers Simon/BMX.

I've been loking for a second hand set for a while, due to the weight - I didn't know they had a tweak more camber too. I'll start looking harder.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 22, 2009, 12:15:22 pm
the S3 lower arms dont have the additional camber though according to vRStu, when he had a look at his.

Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on November 22, 2009, 01:55:31 pm
Ahh - well I'll see what the TT ones cost and decide if its worth getting them, or S3 ones and some Whiteline MaxC topmounts and do it that way.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: jonnyc on November 22, 2009, 01:58:24 pm
Ahh - well I'll see what the TT ones cost and decide if its worth getting them, or S3 ones and some Whiteline MaxC topmounts and do it that way.

The more you can get on the bottom arm the better really mate.. If you wind a load of camber on the top mount that alters the geometry such that the roll centre will drop a good amount (more than you would think) and you end up making the whole front end softer in roll..

The only downside is that you loose clearance from the inside top of the wheel to the strut.. But thats probably not a problem unless your trying to fit huge wheels/tyres in there..
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 22, 2009, 01:59:45 pm
This is interesting... so what are the part nos?
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on November 22, 2009, 02:09:45 pm
Ahh - well I'll see what the TT ones cost and decide if its worth getting them, or S3 ones and some Whiteline MaxC topmounts and do it that way.

The more you can get on the bottom arm the better really mate.. If you wind a load of camber on the top mount that alters the geometry such that the roll centre will drop a good amount (more than you would think) and you end up making the whole front end softer in roll..

The only downside is that you loose clearance from the inside top of the wheel to the strut.. But thats probably not a problem unless your trying to fit huge wheels/tyres in there..

Sweet. There's no problems with my wheels then I'm sure.

Off shopping for TT arms it is then!
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 22, 2009, 03:40:47 pm
if briskoda. comes back online any time soon, i hav the part numbers including all bolts etc reqd for the work.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: davo01 on November 22, 2009, 06:15:15 pm
would the walk kit still fit with tt/s3 bottom arms as ive read that the rear bushes are bigger on them?

0.5 more neg camber interests me
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 22, 2009, 06:38:34 pm
yes they will. bush isnt fitter on the s3, just stiffer, but not as stiff as the walkn  bush
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Rob GTI on November 22, 2009, 07:24:32 pm
fitted my s3 alloy wishbones and s3 bushes today, couldnt beleve how heavy the standard gti wishbones were


gti = 4100 grams each

s3 = 2290 grams each



How long / How much is fitting of these? I take it the suspension has to be realigned afterwards.
Might consider having it at the same time as a WALK.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: jonnyc on November 22, 2009, 07:27:15 pm
fitted my s3 alloy wishbones and s3 bushes today, couldnt beleve how heavy the standard gti wishbones were


gti = 4100 grams each

s3 = 2290 grams each



How long / How much is fitting of these? I take it the suspension has to be realigned afterwards.
Might consider having it at the same time as a WALK.

30 mins a side I would say MAX..
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 22, 2009, 07:39:15 pm
1- Lower control arm
Amount required=2 total, 1 per side
Part number=8J0 407 151 D(same part number for each side)
Total cost= 224 euro for the pair

2- Bolt to attach lower arm(dont know exact name for it)
Amount required= 2 total, 1 per side
Part Number=N 101 410 03
Total cost= 5 euro, (2.50Each)

3- Ball Joints
Amount required= 2 total, 1 per side
Part number= 8J0 407 365(LEFT SIDE), 8J0 407 366(RIGHT SIDE)
Total cost= 92 euro (41 euro each)

4- Ball Joint bolts
Amount required= 6 total, (3 per side)
Part Number= N103 320 02
Total Cost= 2.64 euro (44 cent each)

5- Ball Joint Lock Plates
amount required= 2 total, 1 each side
Part number= 8J0 407 175 (176)
Total Cost= they didnt charge for these????

In total it came to 323 euros+19%tax, so 385 euros total inclusive of VAT.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 22, 2009, 08:50:20 pm
re these the same regarding camber adjustment??

"
8J0 407 151 D is the number I´ve looked for now. It is this arm for a Audi TT and it costs 133,28 Euro each.
On the picture it is together with the "Lagerbock" 8J0 199 231 and they cost each 43,14 Euro.
 
I´ve looked at a Audi TT from 2008."
 
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on November 30, 2009, 11:33:51 am
Are these the part nos required for a complete TT wishbone conversion? Anyone have the part nos for the alloy hubs too??

Mike.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 30, 2009, 06:53:21 pm
they are the part numbers for the ones i bought. make sure you double check with the stealership first though.

Sy :happy2:
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on November 30, 2009, 07:30:09 pm
Ace, I'm shopping tomorrow but will check to see if I can use the Whiteline flipped balljoints or not to go with them.

Will price up the 'Rocco rear kit too.

Jonny mentioned the alloy S3 hubs too, does anyone know if these will go on a 2WD, or if the 2WD TT has the same alloy hubs???
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: BMX on December 01, 2009, 09:49:00 am
got the alignment done at vw  the front camber has changed from -0.45 with gti arms and is now -1.44 is that more negy or less?
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on December 01, 2009, 10:04:48 am
That'll be more neggy, nice middle of the road amount too  :happy2:
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: jonnyc on December 01, 2009, 11:05:41 am
Ace, I'm shopping tomorrow but will check to see if I can use the Whiteline flipped balljoints or not to go with them.

Will price up the 'Rocco rear kit too.

Jonny mentioned the alloy S3 hubs too, does anyone know if these will go on a 2WD, or if the 2WD TT has the same alloy hubs???

Use the TT FWD hubs  :smiley:
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: tony_danza on December 01, 2009, 11:14:37 am
Ace, I've given a mate a reg no of a FWD TT and the process is underway.
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: fuscobal on September 17, 2010, 07:10:49 pm
What other benefit will the TT hubs bring extra to fitting only the lower arms & ball joints ? 400 Euros for the lower arms is already quite an amount. How much for the hubs ?
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 17, 2010, 07:14:31 pm
Ive got some alloy hubs for sale in classifieds, like new with new VAG Boxed bearings - looking for £320 now - bearings are £105 retail, comes with 2 new driveshaft bolts
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: shortysclimbin on September 22, 2010, 01:09:32 am
Moving this up. Any pictures and info on the rear aluminum parts and these hubs? What is the weight savings per side?
Title: Re: aluminium / alloy s3 wishbones fitted
Post by: danishmkvgti on September 22, 2010, 12:21:01 pm
Moving this up. Any pictures and info on the rear aluminum parts and these hubs? What is the weight savings per side?

Only Jonny C considered the Scirocco alloy hubs and lower control arms for his ED30, so no info as he has sold his ED30, but i might give it a go before spring  :happy2: