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Title: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 01, 2017, 10:50:33 pm
Hi guys,

First time posting! Having issues with my 57 plate GTI  DSG when taking off. After some reading I brought it in for a adaptation, was running lovely for the first 10-15mins until the usual of warming up. My guess it's more severe. Anyone any recommendation of a specialist in London?

Cheers, Damien
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Andy on September 01, 2017, 11:36:30 pm
get it scanned but could be the mechtronics
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 01, 2017, 11:43:58 pm
get it scanned but could be the mechtronics

Been in for a scan and no faults found. Dealers wanted 400quid to just drop the box to investigate further. I'd rather go to an independent for the works if anyone had a recommendation for London area.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: howie1987 on September 02, 2017, 07:24:32 pm
Sounds like the same as i had. It was mechatronics.

But get it checked out first.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: fliprio on September 03, 2017, 01:09:26 pm
mine did exactly this, usually only once in traffic and warm

they did the clutch packs first, which made it a bit better but didn't fix it and then later replaced the whole box because it also had a bit of bearing wine in second gear (which the new box has as well - must be how they sound!) touch wood its been perfect since.

But I did 2 adaptions which didn't do anything and they did a good check into the parameters at VW and they said it was all well within limits, but couldn't deny that on the test drive it was very jerky and replaced the box.

there must be people about repairing these mechatronics units, VW wanted something like 2k for it!
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Pesky jones on September 03, 2017, 05:38:26 pm
It will be mechatronic unit. Classic symptons.

Best off buying a second hand box IMO. Ive had one for as cheap as £250, and it gave me no problems up untill the day I sold the car.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 03, 2017, 07:52:08 pm
It will be mechatronic unit. Classic symptons.

Best off buying a second hand box IMO. Ive had one for as cheap as £250, and it gave me no problems up untill the day I sold the car.

Thanks all for the replies.

I definitely like this price better, must try track one down.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Stig_gti on September 03, 2017, 09:29:42 pm
Ain't there companies that could repair this instead.
Would this not be cheaper.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: howie1987 on September 03, 2017, 11:07:24 pm
Company that fixed mine i think charged £800 to recon your mechatronics. It was over 2 year ago so not 100% on price. It was done by a garage called slaters garage in nottingham.

I done mine through warranty so got a new one.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 11, 2017, 07:32:28 pm
Just a quick update and more questions. Been in to an Auto Specialist and said there's no fault with the Mechatronic and said it'll be the clutch. He quoted £2200 for a clutch replace or said to track down a second hand box. I've a BWA engine with a KCZ gearbox. Is there any other codes that would work? Any suggestions where to pick up a second hand?

Thanks, Damien
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Post by: vag on September 11, 2017, 08:27:52 pm
Just a quick update and more questions. Been in to an Auto Specialist and said there's no fault with the Mechatronic and said it'll be the clutch. He quoted £2200 for a clutch replace or said to track down a second hand box. I've a BWA engine with a KCZ gearbox. Is there any other codes that would work? Any suggestions where to pick up a second hand?

Thanks, Damien

Thats expensive, the last clutch packs i replaced cost £1100 with dsg oil and filter!
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 11, 2017, 09:07:23 pm
Just a quick update and more questions. Been in to an Auto Specialist and said there's no fault with the Mechatronic and said it'll be the clutch. He quoted £2200 for a clutch replace or said to track down a second hand box. I've a BWA engine with a KCZ gearbox. Is there any other codes that would work? Any suggestions where to pick up a second hand?

Thanks, Damien

Thats expensive, the last clutch packs i replaced cost £1100 with dsg oil and filter!

Ye was a shock, was hoping fix would come under £1k. Quoting £500 to refit a second hand box when I find one.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: howie1987 on September 11, 2017, 09:32:10 pm
I was told it was clutch packs at first. But from reading alsorts about it i got more than one opinion and it was mechatronics. Even the warranty lot were trying to say it was the clutch packs.

If i was you i would be taking it to a few places and a place that has previous history of working on the problem for there opinion. No chance i would be shelling that out and it isn't even the clutch packs.

Sounds the exact same symtoms i had. No fault codes etc either.

Good luck.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: vag on September 11, 2017, 10:34:38 pm
I would remove and send the mechatronics off for testing, it's under £100 for testing and shipping with ac tronics, that's what I usually do of its not clear cut.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Lewo on September 25, 2017, 08:23:35 pm
The other place recommended on here for DSG repairs is a place in Bristol, not exactly on the doorstep but that and the Nottingham one have had high praise.
Think I've saved the link so will have a look.

Here you go.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,107090.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,107090.0.html)
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on September 30, 2017, 02:33:39 pm
The other place recommended on here for DSG repairs is a place in Bristol, not exactly on the doorstep but that and the Nottingham one have had high praise.
Think I've saved the link so will have a look.

Here you go.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,107090.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,107090.0.html)

Cheers mate. Definitely closer than Slaters but good to have a reputable company to go for. Must looking them up, still haven’t got this repaired.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: noj66 on October 19, 2017, 05:17:20 pm
Hi,I'd be interested in how you get on with this.I bought a 08 Mk5 GTI DSG in April that displays the same symptoms.To be honest it's driveable and 90% of the time doesn't bother me but when it's hot in traffic or reversing it's really jerky.I have owned more than a dozen DSG Golfs and this is the first that's faulty.I suppose my luck had to run out sooner or later.I'm reluctant to spend much on it as the car was only 7k. I think a secondhand box from a breakers would be my best option.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: mk1mad on October 19, 2017, 06:06:59 pm
Mine is the same in three years it's not got any worse. Bit risky buying a secondhand box could end up with the same  problem as it's fairly  common on mk5's.

I will use the place in Bristol they have had very good feedback.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on October 19, 2017, 10:26:36 pm
Ain't there companies that could repair this instead.
Would this not be cheaper.
£700-800 quid
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on October 19, 2017, 10:31:37 pm
Where you based ?
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Andy on October 20, 2017, 11:11:59 am
mine started jerking into 1st gear and it turned out to be seized caliper
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: phantom1004 on November 08, 2017, 06:08:39 pm
Before jumping and spending xxx money on a mech pack or such try a dsg reset, mine had simular problems with the addition to 3rd, did a TB and DSG reset and i think due to the fault of my own it was worse (usb power savings on a laptop) but after about a week it got better, last week i replaced my TB and thought for the hell of it id do another dsg reset and it was perfect after the run in setup, if you have vagcom or know someone that does give it a go, all of my symptoms were pointing to mech but as stated, a reset and recalabration drive and it drives like its never had a problem
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on November 19, 2017, 05:11:36 pm
Before jumping and spending xxx money on a mech pack or such try a dsg reset, mine had simular problems with the addition to 3rd, did a TB and DSG reset and i think due to the fault of my own it was worse (usb power savings on a laptop) but after about a week it got better, last week i replaced my TB and thought for the hell of it id do another dsg reset and it was perfect after the run in setup, if you have vagcom or know someone that does give it a go, all of my symptoms were pointing to mech but as stated, a reset and recalabration drive and it drives like its never had a problem

Had a reset done twice but didn’t work for me unfortunately!

Where you based ?

Based in South East London.

mine started jerking into 1st gear and it turned out to be seized caliper
That would be the dream!
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on November 19, 2017, 08:00:27 pm
mine started jerking into 1st gear and it turned out to be seized caliper
My rear seized caliper kept on bringing on the tpms on but front may differ!!! If you are sure it's not the gearbox mount like mine was when I had this issue nearly three years ago then it may sadly be the mech unit!.

Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on November 19, 2017, 08:24:15 pm
mine started jerking into 1st gear and it turned out to be seized caliper
My rear seized caliper kept on bringing on the tpms on but front may differ!!! If you are sure it's not the gearbox mount like mine was when I had this issue nearly three years ago then it may sadly be the mech unit!.

Is there an easy way to diagnose this?
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Andy on November 20, 2017, 01:32:00 am
jack the car up or on a 2 post ramp and the spin the wheels by hand and the should.spin very easily
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on November 20, 2017, 08:59:30 pm
mine started jerking into 1st gear and it turned out to be seized caliper
My rear seized caliper kept on bringing on the tpms on but front may differ!!! If you are sure it's not the gearbox mount like mine was when I had this issue nearly three years ago then it may sadly be the mech unit!.

Is there an easy way to diagnose this?
If you have an assistant put your car in drive with handbrake on and rock the car forward in gear whilst you look at the passenger side wheel for abnormal movement!. Anther way is to grip ahold of the engine gearbox side and try move it back and forth and if this moves reasonably easy replace gearbox mount. I did have a video on my build thread but due to photobucket being greedy they've blocked all pictures and videos.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on April 02, 2018, 08:46:28 pm
@Tuffy90 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=21720) - Did you solve it? I have the same issues, with no errors logged, I’ve been told to change the clutch pack.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on April 02, 2018, 09:00:56 pm
@Tuffy90 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=21720) - Did you solve it? I have the same issues, with no errors logged, I’ve been told to change the clutch pack.

Hi mate, no never got around to it yet! Was going to visit the garage in Bristol for them to have look before doing anything. Let me know if you get around it!
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on April 03, 2018, 07:51:51 am
I'll try replacing the clutch pack first, since my gearbox wasn't new and I don't know how was it used.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on April 04, 2018, 12:24:11 am
If the clutch packs were knackered you wouldn't get gears so I was told by the guys in Bristol last week as we had a skoda Octavia in with no reverse gear!!
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on April 04, 2018, 07:48:56 am
It is too late to change anything now, the car is in for a new pack, should be ready tomorrow. I'll update you after.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: r5gtt on April 05, 2018, 01:47:16 am
Let's hope it's those are are then issue  :happy2:
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on April 05, 2018, 02:43:03 am
So far so good. I’ve done about 300km with the new clutch in. Everything seems back to normal. In first gear/reverse I don’t have to rev too much to move and the shifts are smooth and fast again.
 
The old one seems fried:

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I’ve kept the duty cycle to 30% from the boost controller. Now the concern is what will happen if I go to 80% again...

Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Tuffy90 on May 23, 2018, 04:46:02 pm
@teo_parvu (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11916) how much did the new clutch kit set you back?
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on May 23, 2018, 04:48:31 pm
About 450 euros without installation.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on June 01, 2018, 12:03:52 am
Teo - did the garage perform the DSG calibration drive?  It can take 20-30 minutes to do properly, and is extremely specific with its procedure.
Title: Re: DSG - Jerking in 1st and Reverse - Garage Recommendation
Post by: teo_parvu on June 05, 2018, 06:01:58 am
Hey, yes they told me they did a calibration, but I don't know if they did the drive.
Unfortunately the second clutch started slipping in less than 1000 miles, I was about to change it again but after doing some research I've changed the DSG  tuner. Now it is a lot more aggressive, but it properly holds my torque and survived a time attack race.