MK5 Golf GTI

General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 12:54:41 am

Title: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 12:54:41 am
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In production cars, engine mounts have to be hard enough to restrict the drivetrain from too much movement but soft enough to be comfortable for Mr & Mrs Joe Average who usually seek a car which is as close as possible to being their living room armchair on wheels and complete with as many home comforts as possible. So inevitably there is a compromise.

Personally I don't feel safe driving any vehicle that feels like and handles like a marshmallow. I don't want a bone shaker but I do want a taut and tactile ride and I have the selfish luxury of not having to consider what anyone else wants from my chosen personal transport. So, ladies, if your arse is too fat to fit in my Recaros, tough titty! You ain't getting a ride!


CHOICES:

VWRacing offer 'Fast Road' hard bushed mounts or 'Race' solid mounts. The Race mounts will transfer more sound and vibration from the engine bay but will firm up the drivetrain to the maximum. I know friends who use VWR Race mounts in their road car and are happy with them but they also regularly do track days.

There is also the choice of whether to change all three engine mounts or just the dogbone one. Mark Farmer at VWR advised me that the dogbone one was the mount which would give the most advantage and to leave doing the other two at least to begin with. The 2.0T FSI engine is well known for having a fair amount of movement and twist under power in the GTI chassis. It's typical of Mark to advise what's best for the car and most appropriate for the driver rather than sell you the maximum.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FRoadMounts.jpg&hash=4f37fe4cccd5e092ba9f7d5332d68856b7288afc)

^ Race mount on the left, Fast Road on the right ^ The VWR mounts have an additional three bolts fixing.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FRoadMounts-1.jpg&hash=26eabae81484ed427023d83b3bbe2cc2b6c0f7be)

^ VWR Fast Road mount compared with stock mount ^ Note the difference in rubber bush extent.


WHY?

- To firm up the drivetrain and help power be more efficiently delivered. This is more desirable on a remapped car.

- To reduce engine movement and subsequent breakages - exhaust brackets being the most common. Milltek now include a free torque arm insert with their new exhausts.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FBrokenExhaustMount.jpg&hash=ea8731f1905b984cf3a69183863d9d500f3c3686)

^ Broken exhaust mount as a result of too much engine movement ^


SOURCING:

As I have a huge amount of trust and nothing but good experiences with VWRacing/RacingLine, I knew I would be expertly advised by Mark Farmer and so a VWR engine mount was a no-brainer. There are other engine mount manufacturers and VF have a good reputation.

Web: VWRacing / RacingLine (http://www.racingline.com)

Phone: 01908 210088 Matt Walker

Please note that VWR's first priority is to their racing schedule but rest assured that when it's your turn you will be given 100% of their expert attention. Being flexible and patient is worth it!

Cost: £250.49 inc vat and labour for VWR's Fast Road dogbone engine mount.


INSTALLATION:

Straightforward for any experienced mechanic who has the right lift equipment and tools (not me!).

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FEngineMount_compare.jpg&hash=402d9d7052b0ee5772e58dd572ef7bc2946075b8)
 

PLUS POINTS:

- Greatly reduces engine movement and delivers more of the available power in a way which also feels more direct when driving.

- Results in less breakages of other components stressed by engine movement and twist.

- Consequently extends the life of your car.


MINUS POINTS:

- Using the VWR Fast Road mount, there aren't any minus points I can think of. Race mounts, being solid without any rubber bushes, will transfer more sound and vibration from the engine bay.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FEngineMount_dogbone.jpg&hash=773f4bdb6a49f8bf7a9c1b7dc7f700556c0314ec)

^ Installed ^


SUMMARY:

I have found that the VWR Fast Road dogbone mount doesn't increase any vibration or noise in the cabin. In fact I'd prefer a little more 'noise'! I wondered at first if it was a placebo effect that I felt a slightly more direct take up of power when on the throttle, but it is in reality more direct and I now realise how much engine movement there must have been. There is no doubt that any high powered engine needs mounts which can handle the increased stresses. I read somewhere: "Put some spunk into your vehicle by adding an engine mount to it".

For anyone who wants to improve their GTI in a way which increases its taut and tactile feel and who seeks a more directly delivered power to the road, I can strongly recommend this modification. But the same goes for most of the other mods on my car!

:happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: WhiteGTI on May 29, 2009, 07:12:54 am
Good review Robin. To clarify...is this just a much better version of the Powerflex / ECS Dogbone inserts that cost about £25??
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Mark_GTIV on May 29, 2009, 08:16:09 am
Thank RR... very informative.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: john_o on May 29, 2009, 08:20:24 am
nice one RR  :happy2: , this sections becoming quite large now  :drinking:
Indeed this comes at a good time I 'need' to get rid of my engine slop.  (engine cover breakage!)

The bar that runs from the mount to engine also has a bush, for which the BSH replacement kit helps.
 BSH Billet Pendelum Mount (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16974&cat=503&page=1)
do VWR feel this is not needed with an uprated bottom mount??

As per whiteGTI I cant see why its 10x the price (low volume manufacturing aside)

other option is to have the original mount 'filled' but the longevity concerns me

Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on May 29, 2009, 09:15:43 am
Great review.

Completely different angle of approach compared to the VF/BSH kit. Looks amazing. You have to drop the subframe to fit it??

The OEM arm has a voided bush and I could easily bend the arm at this joint, such was the compliance.. but, it completely depends on how load is transferred down the arm, it may not make that much of a difference?

By comparison, the VF/BSH kit still retains the big rubber bush VWR replace, albiet filled with an insert which is far from ideal, so swings and round-a-bouts. I guess there has to be compliance somewhere, otherwise you may as well just have the race bush, I dare say you could combine the two???

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe123%2Frobertsm2006%2FP1020597.jpg&hash=3313a7bb267448a264e3122c7fc4d06c71393d6b)
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Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 10:57:21 am

Good review Robin. To clarify...is this just a much better version of the Powerflex / ECS Dogbone inserts that cost about £25??


....The difference between the £25 insert and the VWR one, is chalk and cheese!

You have only to look at the structure of each to appreciate the difference. The rather poor pic of my stock one has the £25 (free with a Milltek) insert installed if you look closely : -

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Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 11:20:47 am

Completely different angle of approach compared to the VF/BSH kit. Looks amazing. You have to drop the subframe to fit it??

The OEM arm has a voided bush and I could easily bend the arm at this joint, such was the compliance.. but, it completely depends on how load is transferred down the arm, it may not make that much of a difference?

By comparison, the VF/BSH kit still retains the big rubber bush VWR replace, albiet filled with an insert which is far from ideal, so swings and round-a-bouts. I guess there has to be compliance somewhere, otherwise you may as well just have the race bush, I dare say you could combine the two???


....Sorry, but I don't even know what the subframe looks like!

The VWR Fast Road bottom mount has an ideal amount of compliance judging by the improved balance between less engine movement and direct power felt when driving. Also, there's no vibration in the cabin and (unfortunately!) no noise increase I have registered yet.


Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on May 29, 2009, 11:36:09 am
Subframe is the giant bit of metal it fits into, you've shown a pic of a subframe off the car above.

Sounds like its working well, has it passed the acid test for wheel hop??
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 12:10:18 pm
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This is my subframe on the bench : -

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FEngineMount_compare.jpg&hash=402d9d7052b0ee5772e58dd572ef7bc2946075b8)

Plus one Simon was working on for one of the race cars. You could be forgiven for thinking this shot is of the underside of an alien spaceship.

Wheel hop? Not so far but I tend to be a bit of an old smoothie in my driving style : -

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_OQmEa5OKyOI%2FR6ANDem2xeI%2FAAAAAAAABpw%2FrwFmUjjh_jE%2Fs400%2FTerryThomas.jpg&hash=dcbc01bdc9749bb99c5095c2112ac97f45f3e324)

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Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on May 29, 2009, 12:14:51 pm

The bar that runs from the mount to engine also has a bush, for which the BSH replacement kit helps.

 BSH Billet Pendelum Mount (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16974&cat=503&page=1)

do VWR feel this is not needed with an uprated bottom mount??


....Good question - I'll have to ask Mark about that if he doesn't post the answer himself (he's usually very busy).
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on June 04, 2009, 11:14:40 pm

The bar that runs from the mount to engine also has a bush, for which the BSH replacement kit helps.

Do VWR feel this is not needed with an uprated bottom mount??


....Not needing replacement as it's solid.

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Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: john_o on June 05, 2009, 08:48:18 am
not sure what you mean Robin?
are you saying your original was in good condition and wasnt changed?
the middle joint in your pic still has a rubber centre (which the BSH does away with)
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on June 05, 2009, 09:11:51 am
^^^^

I didn't realise that the actual dogbone had a bush as well, but I guess that as VWR haven't changed it, they feel it's all good. I forgot to ask again! I was somewhat distracted! : -

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The VWR 'Fast Road' bottom mount version I've got certainly works in a way you can feel as a benefit while driving - The drivetrain feels noticeably more direct. It's a bit like many of the other aftermarket mods in that the oem is often very good indeed but some aftermarket products go that extra mile and are even better.

Bear in mind that my GTI is primarily built and modded as a Fast Road car rather than track and neither is she highly tuned. VWR could of course easily sell me into having all the engine mounts but every time I ask them they (both Mark and Sam) say that I don't really need them on my particular car and that the bottom mount on DSG is the one that makes the difference.

Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.

Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: bacillus on June 05, 2009, 07:18:37 pm
Yup, the middle part of the dogbone is still a potential weak point at that bushing as some shear off completely.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on July 02, 2009, 11:38:57 am

Yup, the middle part of the dogbone is still a potential weak point at that bushing as some shear off completely.


....The thing is though that some 'compliance' is needed.

The VWR mounts have been thoroughly tested and the combination found to be satisfactory.

I'm now going for the other two mounts - I want a bit more noise!!

Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on July 02, 2009, 01:13:49 pm

Sounds like its working well, has it passed the acid test for wheel hop??


....Wheel hop on my GTI has been a thing of the past for some time - The combination of my suspension mods and possibly the Quaife have totally sorted such inclinations.

:happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 05:26:24 pm
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.

Don't agree with that in the slightest.  When the clutch is fully engaged, be that in a manual or in the DSG, the torque reaction will be identical.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on October 20, 2009, 09:42:57 pm
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.

Don't agree with that in the slightest.  When the clutch is fully engaged, be that in a manual or in the DSG, the torque reaction will be identical.

....Let me re-word it for you: The actions of the clutch on the DSG are controlled to be smooth, the actions of a human driver banging out the clutch (in extremis) is not controlled to be smooth and hence less stressful.

That's what I understand from what I've been told.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Top Cat on October 20, 2009, 09:49:24 pm
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Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 22, 2009, 02:12:45 pm
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.

Don't agree with that in the slightest.  When the clutch is fully engaged, be that in a manual or in the DSG, the torque reaction will be identical.

....Let me re-word it for you: The actions of the clutch on the DSG are controlled to be smooth, the actions of a human driver banging out the clutch (in extremis) is not controlled to be smooth and hence less stressful.

That's what I understand from what I've been told.

So a manual shift driver dumps the clutch on every gear change????? :stupid:

And a DSG is NEVER used for rapid launches???? :stupid:


I'll state again - a manual clutch and a DSG will be IDENTICAL in their torque reaction!
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on October 22, 2009, 06:21:13 pm

So a manual shift driver dumps the clutch on every gear change????? :stupid:

And a DSG is NEVER used for rapid launches???? :stupid:

I'll state again - a manual clutch and a DSG will be IDENTICAL in their torque reaction!


....Agreed that a manual shift driver doesn't always 'dump the clutch' hard but the human actioned gearshift will surely be more prone to abuse.

Also agreed that a DSG isn't never used for rapid launches, but if you mean using Launch Control mine has only been used once in 76k miles and I very rarely action a rapid launch as I prefer to reduce the possibility of wheelspin.

My current thinking is still that there is much more potential for stresses on a manual than a DSG box. I may be proved wrong but that's what I'm led to believe.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: wigit on December 20, 2009, 11:55:21 pm
had the vwr fast road dogbone mount fitted in the scirocco last week and got to say really pleased with the results given the vibration is minimal but the end result gets a big thumbs up, anyone worried thinking it may be full on don't worry  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: yin on January 18, 2010, 09:57:42 pm
had the vwr fast road dogbone mount fitted in the scirocco last week and got to say really pleased with the results given the vibration is minimal but the end result gets a big thumbs up, anyone worried thinking it may be full on don't worry  :happy2:

Whats wheel hop like with just the Dogbone fitted?
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 18, 2010, 11:43:17 pm
have driven TFSI_mikes a few times(APR stage 2+, kwv3's, and vwr lower mount) and the wheel hop was pretty much non existent in comparison to mine. Stil wheel span lke crazy though
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on January 19, 2010, 11:03:41 am
Do you have to get get a wheel alignment done with the VWR engine mount fitted?
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 19, 2010, 11:40:07 am
No
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on January 19, 2010, 12:56:18 pm
Th
No
Thanks  :drinking:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 19, 2010, 01:02:16 pm
any time Mo  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: yin on January 19, 2010, 08:59:34 pm
Thanks looks like just the dogbone will be enough for me  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: wigit on January 19, 2010, 09:31:32 pm
yin, under hard acceleration its a vast improvement, yes esp can flick on but it just sorts itself out, its an ideal compromise for me given cars usage, drove the car stock last week and lack of power was offset by how well it behaved, SteveP has been in it and Deacon from here, unfortunately the benefits are lost on most roc owners who just want an awsome car  :wink:

Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: yin on January 19, 2010, 09:47:34 pm
yin, under hard acceleration its a vast improvement, yes esp can flick on but it just sorts itself out, its an ideal compromise for me given cars usage, drove the car stock last week and lack of power was offset by how well it behaved, SteveP has been in it and Deacon from here, unfortunately the benefits are lost on most roc owners who just want an awsome car  :wink:



cheers mate :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 09, 2010, 07:07:17 pm
Had the full race  versions installed today  :laugh: god they growl  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 07:53:36 am

Had the full race  versions installed today  :laugh: god they growl  :evilgrin:


....I thought you already had them - Does that mean you had the 'Fast Road' versions up until now, Mat?
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 08:57:12 am
No robin I only had the lower race mount and stock Side mounts and I now have all the race mounts
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 10:51:36 am
^^^^
Fantastic! I bet you are absolutely loving it! It's the side mounts that deliver the glorious Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!. You also get to enjoy other engine bay soundz.

It's not everybody's cuppa, but if it floats yer boat it's mega!
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 10:53:52 am
we need to compare road ones to race ones i think at some point  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 11:21:31 am
we need to compare road ones to race ones i think at some point  :happy2:

....I'm expecting to be up at VWR on Tuesday having my S3 rear brakes fitted, 80k mile service and my carbon bonnet cut into. Are you around? Otherwise, at a meet, mate.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 11:29:34 am
Get a room you pair....... :grin:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 11:32:23 am

Get a room you pair....... :grin:


....But we are sworn rivals! Milltek Fanboy vs Blueflame Fanboy!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 01:07:11 pm

Get a room you pair....... :grin:


....But we are sworn rivals! Milltek Fanboy vs Blueflame Fanboy!  :evilgrin:

and we meet at  in the middle at VWR  :laugh:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 01:43:13 pm
Yeah yeah - now one of you distract them and the other get me a fast road lower mount. Quick!
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 01:44:43 pm
Yeah yeah - now one of you distract them and the other get me a fast road lower mount. Quick!

fast road u puff  :pomppomp:  :P
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 01:51:24 pm
I have a nice exhaust to listen to, I don't want it drowning out with that solid GRRRRRRR crap!  :wink:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 02:02:26 pm
I have a nice exhaust to listen to, I don't want it drowning out with that solid GRRRRRRR crap!  :wink:

trust me you can still hear the exhaust it just sounds so nice
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 02:04:31 pm
Get one in your pocket then and I'll see for myself
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 02:17:39 pm
I have a nice exhaust to listen to, I don't want it drowning out with that solid GRRRRRRR crap!  :wink:


trust me you can still hear the exhaust it just sounds so nice


....Mat is right - You only hear the Grrrrrrrrrrr under throttle and so it is in perfect timing and harmony with the exhaust sound and you could even think it's part of the exhaust sound.

I don't have a clue if the Grrr can be heard outside the car though.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 02:20:25 pm
its a strange noise and one that u need to hear yourself but god its awesome  :evilgrin: jonny has the race ones on his i think and i know he loves em too
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 02:26:50 pm
^^^^
You could hear it on the VWR demo GTI 'The Red Temptress' too. In fact I thought it was the VWR Milltek at first. It really helps the car sound less of just a 4-pot inside the cabin.

Straight-cut gears whine is another great sound.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 02:32:11 pm
I've had solid mounts before on MKIIs and more recently my MKIV. When I was working in Manchester, crawling back and forth in the rush hour traffic they made me want to burn it.

I think I need a tester to see how it'd feel on the MKV.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 02:49:02 pm

I've had solid mounts before on MKIIs and more recently my MKIV. When I was working in Manchester, crawling back and forth in the rush hour traffic they made me want to burn it.

I think I need a tester to see how it'd feel on the MKV.

....Well you are welcome to have a passenger ride if we meet.

I don't quite understand your "burn" comment - On the Mk5 you don't hear them at all unless accelerating hard and you surely wouldn't be doing that in rush hour traffic. At least, that's how VWR's 'Fast Road' mounts are.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 02:58:13 pm
Vibration and whine at certain RPMs, particularly in this case when I was crawling at about 10mph in 1st or 20mph in 2nd gear - exactly what I didn't need going up the Parkway into the city!!

I know the MKV is a different set up, so will hopefully get a go in someone's - I'm not spending that money + fitting to find it annoys me... although I'm sure it wouldn't.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 03:04:53 pm

I know the MKV is a different set up, so will hopefully get a go in someone's - I'm not spending that money + fitting to find it annoys me... although I'm sure it wouldn't.


....Quality Dave (aka stokeballoon) fitted BSH mounts and found he didn't like the ride, I recall. He highly rated the product but it wasn't for him so he removed them I think.
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 03:17:24 pm
where do u live mate i am only in Halifax if you are over manchester area  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR Dogbone 'Fast Road' Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 04:04:50 pm
Holmes Chapel, off J18 M6.
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 04:13:33 pm
Holmes Chapel, off J18 M6.

ok well thats not too bad or maybe i will come to a track day and then u can see what u think
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Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 04:19:28 pm
Cool - obviously don't go out of your way, but thanks.

I'm at Rockingham on the 6th of March next  :happy2:
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Post by: Greeners on February 10, 2010, 04:21:11 pm
Get a room you pair!  :grin:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 04:21:42 pm
Cool - obviously don't go out of your way, but thanks.

I'm at Rockingham on the 6th of March next  :happy2:

gives me chance to give the brakes some stick and maybe try some race pads in them  :smiley:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 04:22:16 pm
Get a room you pair!  :grin:

join in if you like  :laugh:
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Post by: Greeners on February 10, 2010, 04:31:02 pm
Get a room you pair!  :grin:

join in if you like  :laugh:

I don't like sharing!  :wink:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 04:32:55 pm
but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs  :laugh:
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Post by: Greeners on February 10, 2010, 04:34:32 pm
but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs  :laugh:

Oh you saw that then?  :laugh: :ashamed:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 04:35:18 pm
but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs  :laugh:

Oh you saw that then?  :laugh: :ashamed:
:signLOL: :signLOL: how cute did u 2 look  :signLOL:

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Post by: tony_danza on February 10, 2010, 04:35:47 pm
Cool - obviously don't go out of your way, but thanks.

I'm at Rockingham on the 6th of March next  :happy2:

gives me chance to give the brakes some stick and maybe try some race pads in them  :smiley:

It's full, but PM sent as I may know a way you can get on.... Proper long BTCC circuit too :happy2:
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Post by: Top Cat on February 10, 2010, 05:35:06 pm
Get a room you pair!  :grin:

 :grin: :congrats: :notworthy:
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Post by: QD MBE on February 10, 2010, 05:52:50 pm

I know the MKV is a different set up, so will hopefully get a go in someone's - I'm not spending that money + fitting to find it annoys me... although I'm sure it wouldn't.


....Quality Dave (aka stokeballoon) fitted BSH mounts and found he didn't like the ride, I recall. He highly rated the product but it wasn't for him so he removed them I think.

The Golf (IMO) is a jack of all trades, happy as a fast A-B car, as in a car park full of high end motors, the Grrrrrr sound that you seem to love, ruined the car in my eyes.

Seriously, after a long drive I felt ill, the Cabin comfort was so compromised.  I cannot imagine doing any kind of serious mileage with them.  It reminded me of test flying a badly vibrating Helicopter.  I am happy with my OEM upper mounts allied with a uprated lower mount.

The GRRRRR sound is totally alien to a Golf Gti, as is the much complained about Drone that some exhausts are prone to.

Just my opinion, having fitted some mounts.  And it is all in my Open and honest review.

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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 06:01:03 pm
I am a bit of a loon  :rolleye: and I love being able to feel everything that's going on in my car and my car will never be sold so it's all in hand to becoming a full on track car/road car  so there would be no point putting fast road to only have to swap them over again.
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Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 06:32:30 pm

The Golf (IMO) is a jack of all trades, happy as a fast A-B car, as in a car park full of high end motors, the Grrrrrr sound that you seem to love, ruined the car in my eyes.

Seriously, after a long drive I felt ill, the Cabin comfort was so compromised.  I cannot imagine doing any kind of serious mileage with them.  It reminded me of test flying a badly vibrating Helicopter.  I am happy with my OEM upper mounts allied with a uprated lower mount.

The GRRRRR sound is totally alien to a Golf Gti, as is the much complained about Drone that some exhausts are prone to.

Just my opinion, having fitted some mounts.  And it is all in my Open and honest review.


....Absolutely understood, Dave, and also respected  :drinking: - We all have different preferences and views about what our GTI's should be. My preference is more akin to Mat's.

You've said you didn't like the Grrrrr but you also mention vibration (helicopter comparison) - Did you experience much vibration as well when you had the BSH mounts installed?

I'm curious and not expecting the VWR and BSH mounts to differ very much from each other regarding either Grrrr or vibration.
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Post by: QD MBE on February 10, 2010, 06:43:47 pm

The Golf (IMO) is a jack of all trades, happy as a fast A-B car, as in a car park full of high end motors, the Grrrrrr sound that you seem to love, ruined the car in my eyes.

Seriously, after a long drive I felt ill, the Cabin comfort was so compromised.  I cannot imagine doing any kind of serious mileage with them.  It reminded me of test flying a badly vibrating Helicopter.  I am happy with my OEM upper mounts allied with a uprated lower mount.

The GRRRRR sound is totally alien to a Golf Gti, as is the much complained about Drone that some exhausts are prone to.

Just my opinion, having fitted some mounts.  And it is all in my Open and honest review.


....Absolutely understood, Dave, and also respected  :drinking: - We all have different preferences and views about what our GTI's should be. My preference is more akin to Mat's.

You've said you didn't like the Grrrrr but you also mention vibration (helicopter comparison) - Did you experience much vibration as well when you had the BSH mounts installed?

I'm curious and not expecting the VWR and BSH mounts to differ very much from each other regarding either Grrrr or vibration.

The vibration (sound - is a vibe) was (Swear word is appropriate here) awful, really noticeable, akin to the drone of a poor exhaust, it would fill the cabin with an awful feeling.  Not for me.  I hated driving the car.

As soon as I refitted the std mounts back, it was bliss, and so much better.  My car is not a track car, it has lights, a radio and number-plates, and as such needs to be a jack of all trades.

Many years ago, I had a 205 Gti (1.9 variant) and fitted a full Magnex exhaust to it, it absolutely flew, but the noise became tiring (as anything that is above one's comfort threshold will become).  I also had a Black lab, he hated the noise, so much so he was physically sick after 1/2 hour in the car (*not my driving) the noise had got to him.

If you car is a track orientated car, why not remove all carpets, and accentuate the Grrrrrr sound even more - genuine question.

IMHO.
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 06:50:23 pm
i will be taking everything out of mine at some point  :laugh:
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Post by: RedRobin on February 10, 2010, 07:07:14 pm

The vibration (sound - is a vibe) was (Swear word is appropriate here) awful, really noticeable, akin to the drone of a poor exhaust, it would fill the cabin with an awful feeling.  Not for me.  I hated driving the car.

As soon as I refitted the std mounts back, it was bliss, and so much better.  My car is not a track car, it has lights, a radio and number-plates, and as such needs to be a jack of all trades.

Many years ago, I had a 205 Gti (1.9 variant) and fitted a full Magnex exhaust to it, it absolutely flew, but the noise became tiring (as anything that is above one's comfort threshold will become).  I also had a Black lab, he hated the noise, so much so he was physically sick after 1/2 hour in the car (*not my driving) the noise had got to him.

If you car is a track orientated car, why not remove all carpets, and accentuate the Grrrrrr sound even more - genuine question.

IMHO.

....Absolutely taken as a genuine question, mate  :happy2:

I don't see my GTI as a full-on track car and, like you, it needs to be a jack of all trades. It has to be road legal, comfortable on long journeys (Europe for example), carry lots of music gear occasionally, transport teenage girls (my daughter and her friends), but also provide me with fun on occasional trackdays/Ring/quarter-mile and fast road driving when appropriate.

Like Mat, I just love the taut and tactile feedback which includes sounds. It's not a case of whether your or my definition of what a GTI should be is right or wrong - We simply prefer different things about our cars. It's like you prefer grey and I prefer red. I'm sure that there are also many things which we both share liking about our cars too.

:drinking:
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Post by: markymark on February 10, 2010, 07:52:40 pm
but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs  :laugh:

Oh you saw that then?  :laugh: :ashamed:
:signLOL: :signLOL: how cute did u 2 look  :signLOL:


Oh dear! :ashamed:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on February 10, 2010, 08:28:34 pm
 :signLOL:
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: geordie56 on May 03, 2010, 08:26:30 pm
Ha anyone fitted this mount themselves? I want to get it and just want to know if the mount is actually pressed in the subframe or just bolted in with the 3 bolts? If its pressed i dont have access to a press so may have to come up with another plan, I realise that the subframe does have to be removed. Thanks for any info given.
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Post by: MAT ED30 on May 03, 2010, 08:30:19 pm
its 100% pressed in
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Post by: geordie56 on May 03, 2010, 08:58:41 pm
Thanks , I take it this mount can be used on Dsg aswell as manual also? Cheers.
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Post by: RedRobin on May 03, 2010, 09:12:05 pm
Thanks , I take it this mount can be used on Dsg aswell as manual also? Cheers.

....Yes. Mine's a DSG and Mat's a Manual IIRC.
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Post by: geordie56 on May 03, 2010, 09:44:17 pm
Spot on mate cheers. If youre still about or anyone else who knows i have the rocco, will the alloy hubs, ball joints and wishbones bolt straight on? Cheers.
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Post by: QD MBE on May 04, 2010, 06:55:21 am
I seem to remember reading that the Scirocco has alloy hubs already, don't take that as Gospel, but I am sure i read it. 
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Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 04, 2010, 10:47:33 am
Thread hijack alert . . . .  :ashamed:

....I'm expecting to be up at VWR on Tuesday having my S3 rear brakes fitted,

So . . . . my previous advice was correct!  :P  Take it the DS2500s on the rears gave no real improvement to the 'twitchy' rear end?

80k mile service and my carbon bonnet cut into.

Huh - I thought your CF bonnet already had a vent . . .  :confused:
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Post by: RedRobin on May 04, 2010, 10:58:19 am

Thread hijack alert . . . .  :ashamed:

....I'm expecting to be up at VWR on Tuesday having my S3 rear brakes fitted,

So . . . . my previous advice was correct!  :P  Take it the DS2500s on the rears gave no real improvement to the 'twitchy' rear end?


....I never got around to fitting the DS2500s on the rears - Still have them in their box.

Braking balance and power is hugely improved with the AP-front+S3-rear setup. Was good before but feels more stable and solid. Had a BMW flash at me yesterday because my braking woke him up! Feckin' tailgater stayed well back after that. Then he was history after the next roundabout.

Next time I'm on the Nordschleife they'll get a better workout. Too new and unfamiliar to me this last visit (meaning I hadn't worked up the confidence in them yet).
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Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 04, 2010, 11:02:05 am
its 100% pressed in

Do you know if they can be knocked out with a hammer and long punch, or do they need a proper bench press?
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Post by: SteveS on October 25, 2010, 11:51:14 am
:)

Right, so i think i need this insert, i get dreadful wheel-hop from front left. must be the diff sending power there for some reason.
Also when changing gear it makes quite some sound, needs stiffening im guessing...

had the neuspeed rubber insert in my last, rather go for the proper thing now!

Not sure on the engine mounts, may try without first!!
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Post by: RedRobin on October 25, 2010, 12:54:59 pm

had the neuspeed rubber insert in my last, rather go for the proper thing now!

Not sure on the engine mounts, may try without first!!


....That's the route I took (all in this and the full set review).
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Post by: SteveS on October 25, 2010, 01:16:31 pm
yes reads good, however i don't really want big noise from the engine bay. just reduced wheelhop and gear changing movement
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Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 28, 2010, 11:17:02 am
SteveS, if you already have a poly insert in your OEM lower rear mount, then swapping for the Vibratechniks / VWR lower rear mount will have a very slight, and hardly noticeable effect on noise in the cabin.
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Post by: RedRobin on October 28, 2010, 06:54:03 pm

SteveS, if you already have a poly insert in your OEM lower rear mount, then swapping for the Vibratechniks / VWR lower rear mount will have a very slight, and hardly noticeable effect on noise in the cabin.


....I had a poly insert and when I only swapped to my VWR lower rear mount I experienced no extra noise whatsoever (to my disappointment!).
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Post by: SteveS on October 28, 2010, 07:10:46 pm
TT, No i had the poly one on my old car... now nothing... so will get the vwr one i guess
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Post by: SteveS on October 30, 2010, 04:35:00 pm
right, well i just tried to take a photo of under my car and i saw the below! so its already fitted!!! so now i got issues because that front left wheel hops like a bi**h

CLICK:
 (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg235.imagevenue.com%2Floc17%2Fth_52458_vwrinsert_122_17lo.JPG&hash=9cd3fb28bd9309ff7cdea47584c1e9e848ebb0dd) (http://img235.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=52458_vwrinsert_122_17lo.JPG)
    
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Post by: rich83 on October 30, 2010, 05:04:30 pm
Could it be that your front left shock is sha%%ed?
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Post by: Puck on November 30, 2010, 10:51:10 pm
Too bad Vibra-Techniques stopped selling it directly...

Selling the same thing 2 times more is a rip-off imho...
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Post by: MAT ED30 on November 30, 2010, 11:03:47 pm
And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them  :popcornsoda:
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Post by: RedRobin on December 01, 2010, 09:25:15 am

And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them  :popcornsoda:


....Hear! Hear!  :congrats:

And I wonder what kind of aftersales service you get if buying from Vibra-Techniques. Who are they? Google throws up a company specialising in vibrators  :laugh:
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Post by: SteveS on December 01, 2010, 09:30:10 am
Still, they are costly little things. I have my car booked in on Wed 8th, Hoping the snow leaves us so i can get there!!
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Post by: Top Cat on December 01, 2010, 01:00:20 pm

And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them  :popcornsoda:


....Hear! Hear!  :congrats:

And I wonder what kind of aftersales service you get if buying from Vibra-Techniques. Who are they? Google throws up a company specialising in vibrators  :laugh:


Well, you dont know what aftercare support you get from them, so how can you just dismiss it.  :stupid:  And you make me laugh trying to defend a product that costs twice as much for the exact same thing. And i am sure your going to spout your normal, " i dont consider price when buying things " Tosh.  :P

It's Very simple       VWR
Are ripping us mugs off, Simplez.   :sick: :booty:


Well i will rephrase that. Those daft enough to pay for VWR tax.  :popcornsoda:

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Post by: rich83 on December 01, 2010, 01:34:12 pm
^^^ They all rip us off.... its scene tax!
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Post by: MAT ED30 on December 01, 2010, 01:41:49 pm
How can you say that Tc when you and I both know they did things for u and others cheaper than anyone else  :confused:  so why slate em so what if they cost more ask if they could do you a deal on them  :popcornsoda:
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Post by: RedRobin on December 01, 2010, 03:41:57 pm
.
Some people have had experiences of VWR which they don't like and others (such as myself and Mat and many others) have had nothing but good experiences. You can apply that to every single company which exists. It's very simple: If you don't like or approve of a company then either challenge them directly and not by sniping at them whilst hiding in an internet forum, or don't use them and instead use the companies you favour.
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Post by: Top Cat on December 01, 2010, 07:27:29 pm
How can you say that Tc when you and I both know they did things for u and others cheaper than anyone else  :confused:  so why slate em so what if they cost more ask if they could do you a deal on them  :popcornsoda:

What has that got to do with charging twice as much as another company for the exact same product.  :innocent:

And i did get a good deal off them, which i was very happy with for my clubsports, but that was because they twice made mistakes with what i was after and i travelled twice across the country for nothing. I personally think they are a great bunch of chaps very helpful and i love what they do. This does not mean i have to accept you and Robin supporting them like blind mice.
They can charge what they want for stuff period. But I/we on forums can also inform and criticize  them if i think there charges are unjust.   :rolleye:
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Post by: RedRobin on December 01, 2010, 07:32:57 pm
^^^^
Fair enough, TC, but I don't think that either Mat or myself are "blind mice" but rather that we've had nothing but good experiences of VWR, hence why we share our experiences too.

Glad to see you've calmed down from your unnecessary 'shouting' in your Reply #94, even if you do feel strongly about it.  :happy2:
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Post by: Top Cat on December 01, 2010, 07:40:21 pm
^^^^
Fair enough, TC, but I don't think that either Mat or myself are "blind mice" but rather that we've had nothing but good experiences of VWR, hence why we share our experiences too.

Glad to see you've calmed down from your unnecessary 'shouting' in your Reply #94, even if you do feel strongly about it.  :happy2:

I wasn't even bothered about it to be honest, until i read your reply being very dismissive of the cheaper company without any justification. You would have sparked up if the same comment had been made about VWR or Milltek.  :happy2:
I understand yours and Mat's enthusiasm for them, but as always it should be a balance of views.  :wink:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on December 01, 2010, 07:47:08 pm
Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts  :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else
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Post by: SteveS on December 01, 2010, 07:52:17 pm
lgosh, you guys putting me off paying out now!! lol.

same product? are vwr mounts the exact same product as another brand or we just saying that for the argument sake?
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Post by: Top Cat on December 01, 2010, 08:00:40 pm
lgosh, you guys putting me off paying out now!! lol.

same product? are vwr mounts the exact same product as another brand or we just saying that for the argument sake?

The same product appeared on JKM's site for half the price, with a different name. Then they were forced to stop selling them once stock ran out i believe ( could be wrong ).
Steve you should not be put off using them, as i said before, it;s a great experience taking your car there.  :happy2:

All i was pointing out was that they over charge big style on a lot of products that just have there name stamped on them.


Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts  :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else

Mat the whole point of this forum is to help each other out as a community, you yourself have been very helpful to me and other's. part of that community spirit is sharing info which helps us all get the best deal.  :drinking:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on December 01, 2010, 08:08:13 pm
100% true Tc but if they are priced too high then people need to bring it up with vwr and I will also ask them about the price next time I see them
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Post by: SteveS on December 01, 2010, 08:20:18 pm
TC, not put off them, just paying the price for an item i can pay for and getting fitted by a friend.
Matt told me the costs inc vat & fitting..
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Post by: QD MBE on December 01, 2010, 08:24:09 pm
^^^^
Fair enough, TC, but I don't think that either Mat or myself are "blind mice" but rather that we've had nothing but good experiences of VWR, hence why we share our experiences too.

Glad to see you've calmed down from your unnecessary 'shouting' in your Reply #94, even if you do feel strongly about it.  :happy2:
Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts  :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else

2 discussions on this thread, VWR component prices and VWR service.  I will only comment on the latter.


Time for me to share my experiences, to balance the thread.  Please bear in mind that I am a 28 years  experienced Aerospace engineer, and toolmaker, so know  a fair bit about engineering standards and practices, and the pitfalls along the way.

This is not a VWR slating post, just open and honest experiences.

VWR have cocked up a fair few times (as have other garages).  On other forum members cars, including my Ed30.  No garage is perfect, pay your money and take your choice.

What is not in question is their wish to rectify, and regain.  Or their wish to bend over backwards to assist 

My observation of the VWR situation IMO, (and i have had many a chat with MW and Sam over this), is that being massively successful and subsequently busy with their racing commitments.  That and happy Road car customers do not mix IMO.  Attention to detail is always the victim of over committal, something we are fairly hot on in my profession. 

So companies strive to find the nirvana of correct balance of tempo and commitments, too little and you will lose focus and you will fall-over, too great and focus again de-grades, in both cases focus (standards) is the major victim.

This is not an easily achievable condition, and usually does not last too long, before such variables as manpower shortages, or unexpected failures muddy the water (there are infinite ingredients to the condition and the loss of one or a few soon place the condition in jeopardy).

Like TC - I get on well with the lads, I have had many a good laugh with Sam, Simon, Legs and Matt them, however they need to decide what they want to focus on - Racing or Customer cars.

I have direct experience of their cock-ups (3 times) and subsequent apologies and regains.  Yet, I still have MW's mobile number in my phone.

Remember despite what others may say, we work hard for our money and want to feel customer focus of the correct level, and at times VWR have not achieved this successfully.  I must say that direct contact (when achieved - (as alluded to they are normally busy) usually has the desired effect)

So do I think that VWR are better than your local decent Independent?  They should be and certainly would be if......

Please also Remember the forum will only grow, and prosper on the standard of information on here, and bad experiences need reporting as much as good, in spite of other members preferences.

As you were!

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Post by: RedRobin on December 01, 2010, 08:48:16 pm
^^^^
That's a very good overview, Dave.

I totally accept and believe people when they say that they have had less than good experiences BUT they need to also accept that others (such as myself for example) have had nothing but good experiences.

As I have said many times before I've had good experiences of VWR and so that's what I report. Others also report their experiences, both good and bad, and hence the forum has a raft of reports from which they can make up their own minds.
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Post by: rich83 on December 01, 2010, 11:48:01 pm
Ive never used VWR... I have used AMD (mixed views), AwesomeGTI (not impressed) and  TTSRoadsport (impressed)!

Lets all face it... if we didnt use a garage based on hearing one bad thing about them we wouldnt use ANY of them!

Rich
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Post by: rex on January 14, 2012, 01:35:31 pm
Guys, one question...
I am considering buying a VWR Lower engine mount. The problem is I have a 1.4 TFSI engine. DO you know if the engine mount I need is the same as the GTI one?

Thanks  :drinking:.
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Post by: bacillus on January 14, 2012, 11:01:20 pm
I think the mount for the 1.4 is different...
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Post by: rex on January 15, 2012, 09:12:46 am
My guess is that the subframe is identical. So, all that remains is that the upper part (where it meets the engine) is the same.
Can someone with ETKA please check that? My engine code is CAXA.
Thank you!
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: vRSAlex on January 15, 2012, 06:40:38 pm
I believe that you can buy this mount from any vibratechnics dealer now.  The vt website now states a price and has removed the text stating you have to buy from racingline.

So the title should possibly be renamed?
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:28:38 pm

And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them  :popcornsoda:


....Hear! Hear!  :congrats:

And I wonder what kind of aftersales service you get if buying from Vibra-Techniques. Who are they? Google throws up a company specialising in vibrators  :laugh:

Erm, the 'proper' company name has been going YEARS (much longer than VWR).  VibraTechnic made mounts for stuff like Mk1 Escorts, Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, and the likes.  Why is it you can still get every other mount they make from a variety of suppliers - the only one to have exclusive is this Mk5 lower rear mount.  Make your own minds up, rather than being spoon-fed by all the VWR fan-boys!
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:35:57 pm
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Some people have had experiences of VWR which they don't like and others (such as myself and Mat and many others) have had nothing but good experiences. You can apply that to every single company which exists. It's very simple: If you don't like or approve of a company then either challenge them directly and not by sniping at them whilst hiding in an internet forum, or don't use them and instead use the companies you favour.
Robin, this isn't about 'workmanship'.  This is simply about supplying a part - nothing more, nothing less.  This particular part was available through a variety of sources - and then VWR MANOPOLISED the supply, and virtually doubled the price.  This kind of behaviour wouldn't be allowed at say Germany or France (actually, if they were to do sommat like this in France - their place would get torched).

This thread, and these gripes are NOT questioning the workmanship of VWR, or their motorsport operations - the latter of which I give exceedingly high praise.  Lets stick to the specific issue.  :drinking:
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:47:05 pm
lgosh, you guys putting me off paying out now!! lol.

same product? are vwr mounts the exact same product as another brand or we just saying that for the argument sake?

The same product appeared on JKM's site for half the price, with a different name. Then they were forced to stop selling them once stock ran out i believe ( could be wrong ).
Steve you should not be put off using them, as i said before, it;s a great experience taking your car there.  :happy2:

All i was pointing out was that they over charge big style on a lot of products that just have there name stamped on them.
Just as VWR did with their 'unique' "VWR Quaife" diff . . .   :stupid:  Remember all the grief I took when I uncovered that one?  :sad1:  Thankfully, I only had to deal with just one fan-boy then!  :booty:

And you are spot on with JKM - that was exactly around the time I was doing mine - one week JKM had them - I dithered a little, finally went to order it from JKM - and then suddenly had to drop my trooos and take one up the hoop for nearly twice the price from VWR!  :fighting:


Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts  :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else

Mat the whole point of this forum is to help each other out as a community, you yourself have been very helpful to me and other's. part of that community spirit is sharing info which helps us all get the best deal.  :drinking:
Exactly - and more importantly, not getting overly defensive if someone says something maybe slightly unpaletable about a particular company.
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:57:54 pm
^^^^
That's a very good overview, Dave.

I totally accept and believe people when they say that they have had less than good experiences BUT they need to also accept that others (such as myself for example) have had nothing but good experiences.
But the trouble is, Robin, it is YOUR point of view - or NO-BODIES point of view!  You can be quite bloody-minded in forcing your opinions, and oppressing others opinions.  :smiley:


As I have said many times before I've had good experiences of VWR and so that's what I report. Others also report their experiences, both good and bad, and hence the forum has a raft of reports from which they can make up their own minds.
This thread is NOT about 'service'.  It IS about (a) is the product in question any good?, (b) where can I get it from?, and (c) how much is it?

Just because YOU had a good experience of some work done on your motor - that has NO relevance to this thread!  There are tons of other threads discussing the merits of VWR workmanship.  Stop trying to muddy the water in this thread, please.  :smiley:
Title: Re: VWR 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 05, 2012, 12:02:05 am
I believe that you can buy this mount from any vibratechnics dealer now.  The vt website now states a price and has removed the text stating you have to buy from racingline.

So the title should possibly be renamed?

R U sure Alex?

I remember when I bought mine, (when they just given the monopoly to VWR) - there were some <cough> discrepancies on the VibraTechnics website.  Maybe someone can check with say JKM - whom I'm sure would be delighted to have some back on their books again.
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 05, 2012, 12:44:38 am
Wtf move on tt times have changed  :confused: no one cares but if call Vwr and ask them about the mounts you wil know they asked  the company to make the mounts for the mk5 chassis and worked with them in the development of the mounts. But give Vwr a call and talk to them
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 05, 2012, 12:58:53 am
Wtf move on tt times have changed  :confused: no one cares but if call Vwr and ask them about the mounts you wil know they asked  the company to make the mounts for the mk5 chassis and worked with them in the development of the mounts. But give Vwr a call and talk to them
Yawn.  VWR did not create the spec for the VibraTechnic mount.  Like I said, VT have FAR more experience of making mounts than VWR - making mounts is all that VT do.

Maybe you need an appointment with a surgeon.  :wink:
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: MAT ED30 on February 05, 2012, 01:02:32 am
Did i say they did make it  :confused: I said they worked with vt to develop the mounts for the race cars
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: rex on April 23, 2012, 09:27:34 am
I am about to install a VWR lower engine mount.
Can someone please tell me the torque I have to tighten the big, center bolt?
Thanks!
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: rex on April 23, 2012, 09:56:10 am
Found it and maybe you guys are interested:

M14  x 1.5 x 70
100 Nm + 90 degrees further
Do not tighten until pendulum support is bolted to gearbox
Always renew after removing.

 :drinking:
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: rex on April 24, 2012, 07:41:41 pm
I mounted a similar VWR mount and I can tell you that the difference is clearly noticeable

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P4247832.jpg&hash=efd47806702ccd804b2c8c11e8112ace668ab4b1)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P4247835.jpg&hash=33bdbb7c80cd5b708c2f4f86b0aca717cd7788c6)

First of all the exhaust has a different sound (it is not only me some other people noticed also). It is sportier and more aggressive.
Than I can tell you I feel that the engine + gearbox are not moving when accelerating or releasing the gas pedal. I like this a lot. The car feels much much better.
The only downside is that at 1500 RPM some engine vibration is transmitted in the cabin (similar to diesel engines at very low RPM) so I have to avoid 1500 RPM.
This is, in my opinion a great mod!
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: vRSAlex on April 24, 2012, 08:36:48 pm
I mounted a similar VWR mount and I can tell you that the difference is clearly noticeable

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P4247832.jpg&hash=efd47806702ccd804b2c8c11e8112ace668ab4b1)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P4247835.jpg&hash=33bdbb7c80cd5b708c2f4f86b0aca717cd7788c6)

First of all the exhaust has a different sound (it is not only me some other people noticed also). It is sportier and more aggressive.
Than I can tell you I feel that the engine + gearbox are not moving when accelerating or releasing the gas pedal. I like this a lot. The car feels much much better.
The only downside is that at 1500 RPM some engine vibration is transmitted in the cabin (similar to diesel engines at very low RPM) so I have to avoid 1500 RPM.
This is, in my opinion a great mod!


Ah the new VWR lower mount that's not made by Vibratechnics.  The reason you have the vibration is because its made of polyurethane rather than rubber.  I have the Vibratechnics mount and no vibration.
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on April 24, 2012, 08:39:16 pm

I mounted a similar VWR mount and I can tell you that the difference is clearly noticeable

The only downside is that at 1500 RPM some engine vibration is transmitted in the cabin (similar to diesel engines at very low RPM) so I have to avoid 1500 RPM.
This is, in my opinion a great mod!


....At first you are going to be on maximum alert (or perhaps I should say red alert!) and will be noticing absolutely everything, and more! It will probably settle down and also you'll get used to the new sounds and feel. Any vibration I feel is hardly noticeable and only there if I touch the steering wheel when the engine has just started and is cold.

Enjoy!  :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: rex on April 24, 2012, 09:45:56 pm
Ah the new VWR lower mount that's not made by Vibratechnics.  The reason you have the vibration is because its made of polyurethane rather than rubber.  I have the Vibratechnics mount and no vibration.
I think we can not compare the two behaviors because of the different engines  :grin:.
But I am sure that you are right and the polyurethane mounts are more rigid than the rubber ones.

....At first you are going to be on maximum alert (or perhaps I should say red alert!) and will be noticing absolutely everything, and more! It will probably settle down and also you'll get used to the new sounds and feel. Any vibration I feel is hardly noticeable and only there if I touch the steering wheel when the engine has just started and is cold.
You are perfectly right. Now I will notice all the pluses and minuses. Later on I will become used to this behavior.
At idle speed, except the exhaust noise, everything is the same. So is after 3000 RPM (except the reduced engine and gearbox movement).
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: rex on April 28, 2012, 09:18:06 am
After a few miles the 1500 rpm trepidations have pretty much stopped and I can fully enjoy the mod.
The wheel hop in first gear is gone, I no longer lose traction when changing to second and donwshifting is very nice and smooth. If this behavior doesn't change I have to say this is a great, great mod.
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: s3kel on May 03, 2012, 12:46:33 am
Hi can the new blue vw racing mounts be viewed online ,only ever seen the older mounts...
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: mvb12 on December 12, 2012, 11:37:43 am
:popcornsoda: Just read this whole thread as i'm in need to stop my wheel hop!

I've been recommended to go with the VT ones, but I must agree with some of the posts.

If you've never used a company personally, its somewhat comical to write them off.  :stupid:

off subject a little - but it seems some people on here dismiss anything that's not on their cars
and i think forget what the forum is about, "sharing of information to better our knowledge"

Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: speedracer90 on January 07, 2013, 10:40:55 pm
The new mount is nicer and easy to fit :happy2:
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on August 02, 2017, 08:27:42 am
After 8 years my VWR engine mounts have failed! ALL of them and very badly split!

Now replaced with revo (July 2017).
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: pudding on August 02, 2017, 10:15:52 am
8 years isn't bad at all.   The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on August 02, 2017, 10:21:27 am
8 years isn't bad at all.   The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?

....I was expecting more than 8 years as an aftermarket component but do appreciate that VWR are more track orientated and everything gets replaced quite often.

They are the same ones as in my original post in this review thread. So rubber I guess. Are the blue ones poly?
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Kai96 on August 02, 2017, 10:37:49 am
8 years isn't bad at all.   The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?

....I was expecting more than 8 years as an aftermarket component but do appreciate that VWR are more track orientated and everything gets replaced quite often.

They are the same ones as in my original post in this review thread. So rubber I guess. Are the blue ones poly?

I remember reading your build thread when I first started looking  at GTI's, your cars legendary  :signLOL: any recent pictures of it?
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on August 02, 2017, 11:33:30 am
I remember reading your build thread when I first started looking  at GTI's, your cars legendary  :signLOL: any recent pictures of it?

Two weeks ago with OZ wheels refurbished but old AP Racing brakes....

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_GTI%2FOZ_ATS_0590.jpg&hash=8f7cf76a0f0e33463c7df763ebd81c899159582d)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_GTI%2FIMG_0598.jpg&hash=f52b4f3ffd8ad64ecd321d8197116a3747543b1b)

Last week with revo brakes....

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_GTI%2FIMG_0601_1.jpg&hash=729f91932c81ad8b9d0593cbc2e15213d4bf4f00)

Thanks for the compliment!
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Kai96 on August 02, 2017, 12:12:56 pm
Car still looks amazing. Doesn't look like it's aged one bit. I love all the little touches of carbon fibre around it, the breaks and alloys are a stunning combo are they 17" or 18" alloys ?

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on August 02, 2017, 12:44:46 pm
Car still looks amazing. Doesn't look like it's aged one bit. I love all the little touches of carbon fibre around it, the breaks and alloys are a stunning combo are they 17" or 18" alloys ?

....Some of the carbon parts are painted.

The OZ alloys are 18" Alleggerita and about two-thirds of the weight of the OEM BBS 18" - They make a big difference to feedback when driving hard.

The revo brakes feel smoother than the AP and have awesome stopping power. It's important to remember that not every car behind you can stop as quickly!
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: Kai96 on August 02, 2017, 02:19:32 pm
They look really good I'm on eBay liking for some as we speak
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: pudding on August 02, 2017, 02:25:42 pm
8 years isn't bad at all.   The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?

....I was expecting more than 8 years as an aftermarket component but do appreciate that VWR are more track orientated and everything gets replaced quite often.

They are the same ones as in my original post in this review thread. So rubber I guess. Are the blue ones poly?

Plural.  Thread is about just the dogbone mount.  So are you saying you have all 3 VWR mounts, and all 3 have failed?  No mention of that in this thread, not that I could find amongst all the bickering at least.

Yep, the blue ones are poly and not made by Vibratechnics.
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: RedRobin on August 02, 2017, 04:57:28 pm
Plural.  Thread is about just the dogbone mount.  So are you saying you have all 3 VWR mounts, and all 3 have failed?  No mention of that in this thread, not that I could find amongst all the bickering at least.

Yep, the blue ones are poly and not made by Vibratechnics.

....My apologies, although I wrote both original review threads it's a few years since I revisited here and I got them mixed up.

Yes, my BHS(?) arm failed and also the 2 VWR engine mounts, not blue poly, failed.

My gearbox stabiliser arm has been replaced with Vibra Technics and the 2 engine mounts with revo.
Title: Re: VWR / Vibratechnics 'Fast Road' Lower Engine Mount - Review....
Post by: pudding on August 03, 2017, 10:26:39 am
Plural.  Thread is about just the dogbone mount.  So are you saying you have all 3 VWR mounts, and all 3 have failed?  No mention of that in this thread, not that I could find amongst all the bickering at least.

Yep, the blue ones are poly and not made by Vibratechnics.

....My apologies, although I wrote both original review threads it's a few years since I revisited here and I got them mixed up.

Yes, my BHS(?) arm failed and also the 2 VWR engine mounts, not blue poly, failed.

My gearbox stabiliser arm has been replaced with Vibra Technics and the 2 engine mounts with revo.

Ah OK, no worries, thanks for clearing that up.   It's just that I put all 3 VibratorTechniques (sic) mounts in a couple of weeks ago, but I'd be happy with 8 years lifespan tbh!  That's 8x longer than the OEM ones last  :grin:   Hope the Revos work out for you!