MK5 Golf GTI

General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: john_o on November 12, 2008, 04:08:47 PM

Title: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on November 12, 2008, 04:08:47 PM
Whiteline Anti Lift Kit

Why
A fancy way to try and reduce understeer on the Golf MkV (GTI inc) that is both cheap(ish) but effective.

from whiteline themselves

"The MkV Golf is a great re-design and improvement from the earlier model, particularly due to the all new rear multi link suspension, although with the wider customer demographic vehicle handling dynamics and component quality has been compromised. This is good news for an enthusiast as there is a lot of potential for improvements on top of good underpinnings.

MkV Weaknesses

Poor roll control
Excessive front bump steer
Minimal alignment adjustments
High compliance bushing, front and rear
"

Sourcing
Bought online from  Balance Motorsport  (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=107418)
Anti-Lift Caster Kit - Golf 5 - KCA316 - £139.40

2 very large alloy lower arm fixings with included yellow rubber bushings.
Very well made

I had no other suspension modifications applied at this time. So any changes are directly attributable to this mod
I have now done > 2k miles on this mod
Unfortunately the hp did increase as well at this point  8)

Fitting
I didnt do it , I think this is best left to a professional. I let Awesome GTI do this.
Should only cost 30 - 60 minutes labour max
Should also have an alignment done after the work is completed

Plus Points
mid priced modification (although adding in suspension recheck and labour its not cheap)
effective at reducing understeer considerably (especially in the wet)
adds significant stability levels
steering feel unchanged (either in straight ahead or turning conditions)
reduction in torque steer and wheelspin (even after a significant increase in the bhp levels)
ESP is much happier and progressive (less on/off snatchy) , I  can now make good progress with some throttle control and ESP ON
can be returned to stock if required
looks fab  :grin:

Minus Points
You may not wish to have components of your new car changed!
other than that there are no downsides to this kit
[pending : longer term mileage to check tyre wear]
[update March 2009 : 8k miles with kit fitted and tyres have worn evenly  :happy2: ]


Other Info
see ** GolfMkV specific pdf ** (http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bulletins/163-%20mk5%20anti%20lift.pdf)
see ** general pdf on WALK theory ** (http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles/Effect%20of%20WL%20ALK_b.pdf)
see ** tonys review on ukmkivs ** (http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/221014/1426205.aspx)
see ** review on golfmkv.com ** (http://www.golfmk5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50901)

added 13/01/2009 : luca found a great vid :
** youtube vid of kit in situ ** (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaZ4yLCTeg)

Other mods to  consider
new suspension / coilovers
front and rear anti rollbars
good quality front tyres
check your tyre pressures!
LSD

Morego extended lower arms - these are available too but the reviews I have seen point to increased tyre wear. I suggest you stay away from this mod , unless you are a track only user

Summary
Prior to this modification I had 2 front tyres replaced (from Michelin Pilot Exaltos to PS2 new version).
This made a significant difference (just the tyres) to my understeer I had always complained about (especially in the wet).

Then I gained the same % improvement again by fitting the WALKit!
Its always easy to perceive a gain just because you have bought/added an item , but objectively this kit works.

The kit just works , silently but effectively with > 300 hp going through the front wheels.
You may wish to perform this as a combined upgrade with coil-overs / roll bars but for me this is as far as I want to go.

Top product which I thoroughly recommend  :happy2:

[update 8th July 09 : have added the  >> Michelin PS2 tyre review (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6005.0)] to the forum. The tyres completed 13,000 miles with the WALK kit fitted and have worn EVENLY across the tread.
The WALKit and aligment by Awesome + good tyre pressures = proper wear pattern
]

[update 13th Aug 09 : I have had the WALK kit and associated suspension checked while getting other work done on the car and there are no issues with it.  :happy2:]


Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on November 12, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this excellent write up. I also have this mod and agree with all of the above, For me though the steering feels a bit heavier, But only adds to the feel giving me more confidence.  :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: gazbutS3 on November 12, 2008, 11:29:15 PM
nice 1 John, good write up and glad your pleased
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 13, 2008, 06:13:31 PM
^^^^

Great, concise, and to-the-point review :happy2:

I can't wait to have mine fitted when the KW coilovers are ready.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on November 13, 2008, 10:34:44 PM
Great work on this and the dogbone write-up John_o, we really appreciate your input  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Dario on November 23, 2008, 04:04:48 AM
good write up  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 23, 2008, 11:33:35 AM
....

IMPORTANT:

If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on November 23, 2008, 12:47:18 PM
....

IMPORTANT:

If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.



Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 23, 2008, 02:26:23 PM
....

IMPORTANT:

If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.



Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly.  :smiley:

....Yes, and No - It's how I've been advised by VW Racing's suspension guy and so, as you say, definitely worth mentioning.

If you've already got the WALK's fitted then it's doubtless not worth the effort of changing and more a case of wait and see, and it may never be an issue - Indeed I hope not!

VWR's perspective, and hence advice, comes from hardcore track experience and their knowledge of what components are subjected to. They regularly strip their GTI's and send parts away for specialist servicing or replacement. This gives them a knowledge of how various components endure their usage.

Of course track and road use are different, but there is a significant overlap. For track it's pedal-to-the-metal, lap after lap, hard driving with a shorter lifespan before replacement. For example, KW racing shocks are only galvanised because they are more regularly replaced, whereas KW's road products are stainless steel. For road it's mile after mile, year after year, but with occasional spirited driving and the suspension still gets some serious workouts (unless you drive like a granny and don't really need a GTI). The car doesn't differentiate whether she's driven on road or track but simply responds to how she's driven and hence the suspension workout she has to endure.

Put it this way, if VWR/RLL start offering WALK's as part of their suspension package for 'fast road use', they'll include the additional bushes - Just as Milltek now include the Torque Arm Insert with their downpipes. I can't speak on behalf of VWR but my knowledge of them strongly suggests that they wouldn't offer WALK's without the extra bushes - It's an attitude based on their own particular experiences and one I'm very inclined to take notice of.

You played the TT-card!! :grin: [I hope his current absence isn't due to illness - God Speed! as they say]

(http://dcwelshart.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/blackjack.jpg)

But I'm The Dealer, so my Blackjack wins! :evilgrin:

Like several others on this forum, I have driven a number of highly modified GTI's and I humbly suggest that, in my opinion, you would be very hard pressed to feel the difference of just the aftermarket wishbone bushes. I've recently driven my second GTI which has both aftermarket engine mounts and poly bushes throughout and didn't find the ride at all uncomfortable. Imo it wouldn't even equate to the difference in ride feel between Monza 17's and 18's.
OK, your wife might not like the ride, but on the other hand she might absolutely love it!! :evilgrin:

I have enormous respect for TT's opinions and knowledge and I will always listen to him, but on this occasion my opinion differs at this time.

:happy2:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on November 23, 2008, 02:36:20 PM
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more.  :P

Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.

TT's quote

Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area.  Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling.  However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes.  Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car.  If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.

Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists.  You need someone who knows what works best on the road.

Oh and by the way he is fine last i heard he emailed me last week and was just having a break from hitting you on the head with a squeeky toy hammer.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 23, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more.  :P

Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.

TT's quote

Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area.  Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling.  However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes.  Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car.  If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.

Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists.  You need someone who knows what works best on the road.

....And I will refer to what I have already written and add that the bottom line is what each individual wants from their GTI/Ed30. Having driven two GTI's with polybushes throughout I personally didn't find it to be the problem I expected. But ETTO.

Actually, thinking about this a bit more, if you are fitting mods such as WALK's and coilovers etc, you are already entering the twilight world of the overlap between road and track. So I don't agree with what TT has said about VWR's 'limited' knowledge of fast road needs. Furthermore you have already 'compromised' the "feelings" inside the car. It's the difference in compliance between the WALK's and stock bushes which I am pointing out may be wise to address.

Oh and by the way he is fine last i heard he emailed me last week and was just having a break from hitting you on the head with a squeeky toy hammer.  :laugh:

.... :laugh: - Very glad to hear he's well! I wondered why I was no longer suffering from headaches :evilgrin:

[RR goes off to build a TT-proof carbonfibre crashhat!]
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on November 24, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
Hi,

I'll chip in a little and say I tend to agree with RR/VWR, as I can see the logic in what they're saying.

The standard bush is at least a solid one, rather than voided and is a pretty hard compound for OEM kit, so it is better than it could be. I certainly think it is up to the task, but you've got to be mindful that it will wear a bit quicker. I'd be interested to hear what Whiteline suggest on the matter, as it must have been a consideration and wouldn't be hard for them to add it into the kit?? I'll ask them.

I guess I'll just wait and see what happens with it, it might last 12 months, it might last 3 years? but I will have it checked regularly.. 3 solid days at the 'ring last month and all day at Donnington yesterday shows no issues so far and I guess mine will be the acid test car as it'll get more sustained hard action than most.

I have no reservations about polying the front end, I've had my previous cars done and never noticed a negative difference - although I've never run a super-hard, decked car.. maybe it'd be more apparent here? I'm going to be upgrading the Eibachs for Bilstein B16s come spring so will have them swapped out at the same time for poly anyway.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 24, 2008, 12:47:39 PM
^^^^
Thanks for your very useful input, tony_d. :happy2:

Yes, we're not saying that the stock bush isn't up to it but only that it becomes a potentially weaker spot when the WALK's are fitted, and that ideally they are better changed.

However, I do respect TT's point about comfort even though I don't think just replacing these bushes will make a noticeable difference.

We should bear in mind that VWR and those in the racing world will be much more inclined to go for the 'ideal', but because of the way I am and my intentions to keep my GTI, I go for the same ideal.

The purpose of my posting such info/advice is to help rather than to ring alarm bells.

:happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on November 24, 2008, 01:23:02 PM
Yeah, T_T's point is a fair one. Poly in some applications can be terrible, I'll give you rear beam bushes or a dogbone on a MKIV for starters!

Rubber tends to be used in wishbones not so much for the compliance/comfort, but the ability it has to reduce noise. Polys (depending on how hard) can slightly increase tyre roar in the cabin. However, the benefits of their control far outweigh this problem as they allow the suspension to work on its correct axis without being distorted by lateral forces.

Danza's conclusion:.. if it'd have been a voided bush, it would have been swapped out, no questions.
On a road goer, I can't see it making a significant difference to the lifespan of the bush although the possibility is there and is to be considered.
For tracking, in hindsight I'd have poly'd it but I'm not going out of my way to change it now, I'm confident in its ability, as must Whiteline be too.  They've been making these for years now on scoobies etc. and it would have cost them pennies to chuck in a front bush - they obviously deem it good enough, but there's absolutely no harm in a bit of preventative action like VWR have suggested in the "belt and braces" approach.

Don't forget, tracking is very, very hard on a car - I'd ruin a set of topmounts every say 3-4 events, but even fast road would see them go for 30k. VWR have evaluated it based on their needs, so I can see exactly why they'd want it uprated.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on November 24, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
Its all good info. This thread is excellent, lets hope we get a few more like this.  :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 04, 2008, 04:39:36 PM
right then guys how are getting on with this kit as i have just put some on order  :wink: so if you get chance could you do us little report  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on December 04, 2008, 04:51:36 PM
right then guys how are getting on with this kit as i have just put some on order  :wink: so if you get chance could you do us little report  :happy2:

Er MR too many Dubs, the first page of this thread just about covers everything you could want to know about them they are great bit of kit for the money.
Before you fit them find yourself a big roundabout get half way round it then floor it. Do the same with the kit on and you will see a marked difference in the ability, I am guessing you are fitting them yourself so just make sure you get it re-aligned after, and away you go.  :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 04, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
i will be fitting them along with my eibach springs so will be having it re-aligned by a mate  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 04, 2008, 05:56:40 PM
What more do you want Matt? blood?  :signLOL:
I hear a rumour theres going to be a review of this kit in a mag very soon  8)
Kit is awesome, you wont be disappointed. Good mod for the money. With springs too I reckon you are going to be blown away.
Be interested to see how you get on
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 04, 2008, 09:01:20 PM
i all wanted to know was things like any negative affects at all  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on December 04, 2008, 09:02:58 PM
i all wanted to know was things like any negative affects at all  :smiley:

 :laugh:  Yes your face gets squashed against the window on left hand bends.  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 04, 2008, 09:05:08 PM
i all wanted to know was things like any negative affects at all  :smiley:

 :laugh:  Yes your face gets squashed against the window on left hand bends.  :evilgrin:

that will do then  :laugh: :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 05, 2008, 11:22:45 AM
any negative affects at all  :smiley:

they look fab, but you can never see them ! hows that for a negative?
I'm tempted to fit perspex footwell covers ............... :jumping:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on December 05, 2008, 04:07:01 PM
any negative affects at all  :smiley:

they look fab, but you can never see them ! hows that for a negative?
I'm tempted to fit perspex footwell covers ...............
:jumping:

....And then you can justify buying those gold-plated H&R springs!

Yes, honestly, they are available at something like US$1,500 a shot!!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Hurdy on December 09, 2008, 07:44:46 PM
The Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit gets my seal of approval :happy2:

Just driven back from Awesome and stretched its legs over the Snake pass (which I know very well  :driver:)

The W.A.L.K does make the steering slightly heavier, but it also makes it more solid around the straight on. Turn in grip has improved and the turn in is more precise as a result. On a couple of corners I know where I can get understeer, the car now turned in solidly and actually took me by surprise to the extent where I had to re-adjust the line slightly. Grip from a standstill in the wet is much better and it squashes the wheel hop even more than before, so launches are cleaner and quicker (and therefore safer!)

Overall an excellent little mod - roll on the Quaife  :innocent:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on December 09, 2008, 07:48:40 PM
The Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit gets my seal of approval :happy2:

Just driven back from Awesome and stretched its legs over the Snake pass (which I know very well  :driver:)

The W.A.L.K does make the steering slightly heavier, but it also makes it more solid around the straight on. Turn in grip has improved and the turn in is more precise as a result. On a couple of corners I know where I can get understeer, the car now turned in solidly and actually took me by surprise to the extent where I had to re-adjust the line slightly. Grip from a standstill in the wet is much better and it squashes the wheel hop even more than before, so launches are cleaner and quicker (and therefore safer!)

Overall an excellent little mod - roll on the Quaife  :innocent:

Thats exactly what happened to me nearly clipped the inside curb first trial, you have to be brave and learn new lines. Glad you like it, for the money its amazingly good. :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 09, 2008, 08:20:55 PM
nice one Hurdy thanks for the feedback, I reckon this forum should ask for whiteline sponsorship  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on December 09, 2008, 08:36:45 PM
And now down in price to £136.43  :happy2:

Will get some in the New Year  :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on December 09, 2008, 09:04:11 PM
....

Mine are being fitted with my VWR KW coilovers 6th January.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 10, 2008, 10:14:49 AM
I pick mine up this week :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 10, 2008, 12:50:58 PM
I pick mine up this week :driver:

too late Matt , this mod is sooo last year  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 14, 2008, 07:44:31 PM
I pick mine up this week :driver:

too late Matt , this mod is sooo last year  :signLOL:

got them  :P
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/walkkit.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 15, 2008, 09:32:39 PM
nice one Matt,but they aint gonna 'anti lift' on your table now are they  :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 15, 2008, 10:39:52 PM
nice one Matt,but they aint gonna 'anti lift' on your table now are they  :xmaslaugh:
:P they will be on soon  :P
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on December 16, 2008, 07:04:35 AM
How have you all dealt with this on your insurance?

Have you declared it?

And if so, what have you called it/listed it as, so that the insurance company knows what you're talking about!

Cheers  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on December 16, 2008, 12:04:43 PM
Mine's declared, Greenlight just wrote it on the policy as-is. The only thing that changed the price was the remap, everything else has been free.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on December 16, 2008, 06:35:52 PM
Thanks Tony - that's useful to know as I am also with Greenlight  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on December 17, 2008, 09:57:40 AM
No worries, they'll still sting you for £25 for adding it though - "paperwork fee", something Adrian Flux never did, so I know who I'll be going back to come Spring...

Make sure you keep your invoices too.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: luca on January 12, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
Found a little video of the walk kit in action, fitted to a new polo gti though :smiley:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaZ4yLCTeg

Ps. ordered mine today :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 12, 2009, 11:33:05 PM
^^^^
My WALK is being fitted tomorrow at VWR along with my new suspension  :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: luca on January 13, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Looking forward to your writeup :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 13, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
^^

I'm looking forward to both of your write-ups!!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on January 13, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
Mine will be on next week too  :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :party:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on January 13, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
Nice find Luca, added to original post  :happy2:
and guys,  writeups are mandatory  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 13, 2009, 08:20:21 PM
Mine's being fitted on Friday as well  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on January 13, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
Mine's being fitted on Friday as well  :happy2:

Busy day eh mate?  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 13, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Mine's being fitted on Friday as well  :happy2:

Busy day eh mate?  :wink:

Oh yes :happy2:

And it looks like my car will be then going straight back to the dealers that night so I won't even get chance to enjoy the new mod  :sad: :sad:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 13, 2009, 08:33:41 PM
i need to fit mine  :laugh: just not had chance
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 13, 2009, 11:14:46 PM
....

WoooohooooHooooo!! - I just back from all day and part of the evening! at VWR. Drove their demo car rather a lot (the one SteveP hates!).

Lots of pics and info to report re WALK and my new suspension and what VWR discovered had failed with my KoniFSD's. Those guys really are The Best!! They don't just fit mods to your car, they virtually rebuild it!

Anyway, more tomorrow :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on January 14, 2009, 09:35:25 AM
....

WoooohooooHooooo!! - I just back from all day and part of the evening! at VWR. Drove their demo car rather a lot (the one SteveP hates!).

Lots of pics and info to report re WALK and my new suspension and what VWR discovered had failed with my KoniFSD's. Those guys really are The Best!! They don't just fit mods to your car, they virtually rebuild it!

Anyway, more tomorrow :happy2:

Looking forward to it Robin  :happy2:

Are your FSD'd still going back to Koni?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on January 14, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
Had the valves siezed?

Come on RR - hurry the hell up!!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 14, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Had the valves siezed?

Come on RR - hurry the hell up!!

....Not content with my 170 mile drive home from VWR last night, I went out this morning for some more testing but on some familiar rough B-roads.

I haven't had breakfast yet (1:23pm right now) and I have dozens of photos to sort out and draft my report.....So expect it some time later today/this evening.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on January 14, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
This sounds like a very serious testing session you have been doing this morning Red leader. One hopes you wore the correct helmet and informed the emergency services of your route.  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 15, 2009, 12:34:37 AM
This sounds like a very serious testing session you have been doing this morning Red leader. One hopes you wore the correct helmet and informed the emergency services of your route.  :signLOL:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/BIALI/RRBlackHorse.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/RED_VWR-KW_sideR.jpg)

^ A brief stop on my testing session.

Back on topic....

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushWALK.jpg)

^ Plus the additional Poly bushes as pic below : -

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushes.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on January 15, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
car is looking good Red, i cant believe how low it is. :chicken:
Me thinks your osir splitter will be leaving you for a curbside ditch in the near future.  :drinking:

Are you going to do your usual write up.  :party:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 15, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
car is looking good Red, i cant believe how low it is. :chicken:
Me thinks your osir splitter will be leaving you for a curbside ditch in the near future.  :drinking:

Are you going to do your usual write up.  :party:

....Yes, I've started drafting it but had lots of pics to sort out. It should be ready to post today.

:happy2: :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on January 15, 2009, 12:39:07 PM
crikey Red Im  :jumping: in anticipation here  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: illyun on January 15, 2009, 02:37:08 PM
crikey Red Im  :jumping: in anticipation here  :grin:

Same here... been waiting since yesterday  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: illyun on January 15, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
Maybe you should do the post on a pay-per-view basis  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on January 15, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
he's too busy looking to 'tasteful' wishbone shots  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 15, 2009, 04:10:42 PM
^^^^
I am well into it..........Just finished the Sourcing part with pics. Just taken a quick refresher to check out this thread as it's slightly related.

Back to it now.....................
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on January 15, 2009, 08:59:05 PM
^^^^
I am well into it..........Just finished the Sourcing part with pics. Just taken a quick refresher to check out this thread as it's slightly related.

Back to it now.....................

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Daft%20stuff/newspaper.gif)
 
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 15, 2009, 09:21:44 PM
^^^^
It's posted!!

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1457.msg22382#msg22382 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1457.msg22382#msg22382)

Sorry, but I think you'll see there's a lot of time which goes into putting it all together in a concise but informative way.

john_o's giudelines are extremely useful as a structure :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 17, 2009, 10:11:37 PM
Firstly thanks again to John_o for this write-up as I can 100% confirm everthing he said about the kit is correct. It has made a noticeable difference even on the standard suspension and my heavily worn front tyres on the short 9 mile run covered before I returned my car once more to the damagers dealers!

I also had the kit supplied by Balance Motorsport and had it fitted by Ed and the team at APS in Brackley. Can't fault either Balance or APS as they both excellenet companies to deal with and Ed at APS makes a great coffee too  :laugh:  :drinking:

Next step some new boot on the front and I will be ready for the Pod  :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on January 18, 2009, 09:40:11 PM
Steve did you go the whole hog and renewed your bushes with poly ones together with the WALK install?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 18, 2009, 09:44:54 PM
Steve did you go the whole hog and renewed your bushes with poly ones together with the WALK install?

Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 18, 2009, 10:00:31 PM
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future  :happy2:

....Now I wonder.....................................Improvements to be carried out somewhere in the MK area perhaps?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 18, 2009, 10:02:25 PM
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future  :happy2:

....Now I wonder.....................................Improvements to be carried out somewhere in the MK area perhaps?

They are certainly on the list to consider thats for sure  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 18, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future  :happy2:

....Now I wonder.....................................Improvements to be carried out somewhere in the MK area perhaps?

They are certainly on the list to consider thats for sure  :happy2:

....Well, you already know what I think - For me it's a no-brainer, I don't have to think twice about it.

But I guess that what suspension you would go for may have an influence.....Err.....If it's anything KW, no it wouldn't!

What did you think of the VWR/RL demo GTI's suspension when you drove it?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on January 19, 2009, 02:47:37 PM

....Well, you already know what I think - For me it's a no-brainer, I don't have to think twice about it.

But I guess that what suspension you would go for may have an influence.....Err.....If it's anything KW, no it wouldn't!

What did you think of the VWR/RL demo GTI's suspension when you drove it?

Driving their demo car really showed up the difference between the stock and well setup suspension for me, to the point where I thought something was wrong with mine when I got back in it  :chicken:

However I don't believe at the time it had the same suspension as you have just had fitted.

Given my requirements for what I do with the car (c36K miles a year) I am always trying to get the balance between all out performance and the comfort, practicality and durablilty I would like/need.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 19, 2009, 03:28:28 PM
^^^^
I very much respect what you're saying, Steve, and 36k miles p.a. is mega!! Furthermore, you have regular passengers (family) who need to feel a different type of comfort.

That VWR/RL demo GTI is a continual work-in-progress although the spec is getting more settled now - IIRC it currently has exactly the same setup as mine but on a competition damper - She certainly feels the same ride as mine and it's surprisingly smooooth at speed and stable in the extreme. She's just very hard (not harsh) at slow speed over rough roads. Enough of my waxing lyrical!

On the subject of WALK, even though mine have been fitted at the same time as my suspension, I can feel them (I think!) playing their part and it's positive.

:happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 20, 2009, 08:54:12 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on January 20, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:

You had a blast yet Mat?

Mine should be going on Thursday  :jumpmove:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 20, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:

You had a blast yet Mat?

Mine should be going on Thursday  :jumpmove:

just a mile or so but you know its there as the turn in is better and now i have done the rear arb its perfect for me  :happy2: a very good balance but not costing an arm and a leg  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: billyboy on January 20, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:
did you do it yourself MAT
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 20, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:
did you do it yourself MAT

na i had mate of mine who is a honda master tech do it all for us  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: billyboy on January 20, 2009, 10:02:17 PM
just put my walk kit on  :happy2:
did you do it yourself MAT

na i had mate of mine who is a honda master tech do it all for us  :smiley:
arr right, tryin to pick one up 2mora maybe for awesome, going to have a go on sat, also do the ECS aswell (thats the easy bit)
cheers billy
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 20, 2009, 10:05:07 PM
i dont know if awesome keep stock of them so ring first  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: billyboy on January 20, 2009, 10:18:11 PM
i dont know if awesome keep stock of them so ring first  :happy2:
did today, last one in got my name on it,  :happy2:
but waitin for inserts to come this week sometime, they asked if i wanted black or red, gone for red
billy
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on January 20, 2009, 10:45:11 PM
cool good to hear Matt , give us the full writeup after a few miles please.
Anyone not got a WALKit yet  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
..waitin for inserts to come this week sometime, they asked if i wanted black or red, gone for red
billy

....Inserts? :confused: - Are we still talking about WALK? The poly bushes (yellow) are already integrated. Or are you referring to the additional bushes? (purple on mine) : -

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushWALK.jpg)

^ Looking at this pic I can see exactly why VWR's advice to change the front bushes to poly makes sense.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 20, 2009, 10:52:44 PM
Robin - think he was talking about the ECS dogbone insert..
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 10:54:13 PM
^^^^
Ah, yes - Thanks Chris :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: billyboy on January 20, 2009, 10:54:39 PM
Robin - think he was talking about the ECS dogbone insert..
:happy2:
billy
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 20, 2009, 10:55:27 PM
cool good to hear Matt , give us the full writeup after a few miles please.
Anyone not got a WALKit yet  :grin:

i love them fella and have done a few miles on them  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 20, 2009, 10:58:56 PM
Robin - think he was talking about the ECS dogbone insert..
:happy2:
billy
^^^^
Ah, yes - Thanks Chris :drinking:

That's ok!
cool good to hear Matt , give us the full writeup after a few miles please.
Anyone not got a WALKit yet  :grin:

I don't!! Soon though....  :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on January 23, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
Well mine were fitted today and from my initial test drive it seems to have really tightened up the front end and reduced understeer.
I'll get a better picture on my normal test route way home tonight, but so far so good  :happy2:

EDIT: Haven't really felt the steering get any heavier so far.  :chicken:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cmdrfire on February 04, 2009, 05:43:13 PM
Okay. I need some new front bushes as my N/S front bushing is "deteriorating". Will this whiteline kit do for me?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 04, 2009, 05:48:49 PM
You'll get the rears, but not the fronts.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cmdrfire on February 04, 2009, 05:57:58 PM
Anyone can suggest some decent aftermarket front bushes?

Edit; will the Whiteline "Front Lower Control Arm Inner - Bush Kit" be what I'm after? Anyone fitted this?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 04, 2009, 06:12:50 PM
^^^^
If I've understood correctly (and I may not have done!), I had compensating bushes (purple) fitted with my WALK's. As recommended by VWR.

No-one else on this forum has bothered to do this AFAIK.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushWALK.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushes.jpg)

HTH
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 04, 2009, 09:12:24 PM
They'll do you fine Neo, basically you just want similar compliance bushes.

The rear takes the majority of the battering, as the design of the front is pretty "solid" - I didn't give it much thought at the time, but there's the possible risk of premature wear on the OEM one.

If/when it fails, I'll poly the rest - you may as well do the lot now.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cmdrfire on February 04, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
Right, thanks Danza... looks like a set of Whitelines front and rear is next on the list along with the Fiscon Bluetooth Plus kit... been spending too much on Leica recently though ><
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on February 04, 2009, 10:17:11 PM
RR are those Powerflex bushes?

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushes.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 04, 2009, 11:51:24 PM
^^^^
Dunno - I'll have to ask VWR.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: illyun on February 16, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
^^^^
If I've understood correctly (and I may not have done!), I had compensating bushes (purple) fitted with my WALK's. As recommended by VWR.

No-one else on this forum has bothered to do this AFAIK.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushWALK.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushes.jpg)

HTH

I've got it done on the wishbone fronts too...

BTW from what I remember, Mark from VWR told me that they are powerflex bushes...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 16, 2009, 05:06:09 PM
^^^^
It seems a minor thing and not absolutely necessary but simply seeing the wishbone fronts installed makes absolute sense and inspires confidence.

:happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jonnyc on February 16, 2009, 05:14:06 PM
I tried to get mine done at the same time but they had just recently installed there last set!! lol..

Got them on order and will be doing the whole front and rear with powerflex bushes, thats what gives the VWR demo car such a nice feel on turn in..
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 16, 2009, 05:49:04 PM
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html

A poxy £21 chuffing quid - I wish I'd have thought at the time and had the sense to do it, even if the OEM one turns out to be ok. GRRR.
I'm tempted to do it whilst the brakes are being fitted. ARBs are already poly'd... not sure if the rear needs it???

I need a play in VWR's car!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jonnyc on February 16, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html

A poxy £21 chuffing quid - I wish I'd have thought at the time and had the sense to do it, even if the OEM one turns out to be ok. GRRR.
I'm tempted to do it whilst the brakes are being fitted. ARBs are already poly'd... not sure if the rear needs it???

I need a play in VWR's car!

Bushes are cheap, its the installation which costs the money really..
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 16, 2009, 05:55:59 PM
Balls to it, it's only money. it'll be a good benchmark to see if/how the fronts have worn excessively in the 6 months the WALK has been on too?

I'll order some.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 16, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
^^^^
I doubt if you'd see much wear in only 6 months, but it'll be interesting to hear. If you did have significant visible wear after 6 months it would not look at all good for those with oem front wishbone bushes!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 18, 2009, 09:50:48 AM
Hmm, it's had a bit of abuse at the 'ring and Donnington in that 6 months - so I'd say it'll be more than average wear.

They were A1 when i had the WALK fitted, so it'll just be interesting to see if/how they've worn? It's only 1/2 hours labour and a quick alignment, which I was considering anyway with the new wheels being on.

Consider it taking one for the team!


Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on February 25, 2009, 03:30:43 PM
Awesome now provide them on their website  :happy2:
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=1 (http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=1)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on February 25, 2009, 03:44:54 PM
^ £40ish more expensive at Awesome than at Balance Motorsport!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jonnyc on February 25, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
^ £40ish more expensive at Awesome than at Balance Motorsport!

Awesome are a joke.. There pricing is usually 15% more than anywhere else!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on February 25, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
I know guys, it was information only. I didnt buy from them either!  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 25, 2009, 03:58:29 PM
I was almost tempted to hit the "report to moderator" link to have the Awesome price removed from the thread, it offended my eyes so much.

Awesome tax...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jonnyc on February 25, 2009, 04:01:11 PM
I was almost tempted to hit the "report to moderator" link to have the Awesome price removed from the thread, it offended my eyes so much.

Awesome tax...

Called them up for a price on an APR stage 3 kit.. Rated at 385bhp  (yes thats only 15hp more than a fully modified K04) and they said it was £5350 + VAT + Fitting.. Nice!

I felt like putting the phone down..
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 25, 2009, 04:10:28 PM
Would that be the kit they have fitted to their grey car?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on February 25, 2009, 04:29:31 PM
Would that be the kit they have fitted to their grey car?
yup and it (the car) is up for sale.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 25, 2009, 04:33:20 PM
Ahh, the same car the lower powered (and much cheaper) Regal RSS 350 showed a clean pair of pipes at Inters?

Great value for money...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 25, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
^^^^
Yes but wasn't the Regal GTI driven by a proper competition driver?

I'm not saying that the car was slow but the Awesome GTI has stuff like those heavy (and ridiculous imo) swing doors.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on February 25, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
....

Back on topic................

Today I checked to see if my GTI has Launch Control - It doesn't!! But the relevance is that before the ECU slapped me and said "Oh no you don't!!" I had absolutely zero juddering or hopping around, so the WALK's and suspension and Quaife are really doing an excellent job. I had a VW mechanic with me.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on February 25, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
Regardless of weight and driver - it's £2378 more expensive!... i.e. Awesome tax. But even the RSS kit in turn is dearer than Jonny's car which is producing the same power...

Anyhoo, good to hear you've got everything hooked up on the front end now - even if you don't have LC (yet).
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on March 31, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
Swapped my OEM front wishbone bushes for the poly ones yesterday. After 28k (8k with the WALK kit) and 2 trackdays/4 days at The 'Ring they were in A1 condition.

I don't think anyone with the OEM bushes and a WALK currently fitted has anything to worry about, I think you'll get average wear rates. The only reason to upgrade is the feel, as it's a little tighter, as you'd expect, and turn in is improved further still.

If you're still to do the mod however, go fully poly. You'll need the WALK and Powerflex front wishbone bushes, part number PFF85-501 £21.91inc VAT.

If anyone tries telling you that you need to buy the whole wishbone kit (i.e. 4 bushes) then they either don't know any better or they're telling you porkies... you don't.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on March 31, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
^^^^
That's really good to know  :happy2: :smiley: :happy2:

So with just a pair of the front poly bushes which VWR fitted, I now know I'm getting an enhanced WALK although I haven't been able to compare without them.

:drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on March 31, 2009, 12:47:12 PM
good info thanks Tony  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on March 31, 2009, 06:02:34 PM
Great info Tony, I will be doing the same shortly I think!  :happy2: :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: keith on March 31, 2009, 10:21:27 PM
Am i missing something here, 1st post the price was £139 then went down slightly now its  £153.05 inc vat on  Balance & Awesome, have balance upped there price to awesome's so it seems  :mad: :angry015:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on March 31, 2009, 10:32:48 PM
^^^^
I think you'll find it's the exchange rate badly effecting all imported goods. It really is a killer and the UK retailers are 'piggy-in-the-middle'.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on April 01, 2009, 09:11:54 AM
Exchange rate balls up?? You'll still get a discount at Balance though via uk-mkvs.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: keith on April 01, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
just been scouting there, do you have a linky?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on April 02, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=107418
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: AwesomeSarah on April 03, 2009, 11:15:55 AM
Exchange rate balls up?? You'll still get a discount at Balance though via uk-mkvs.
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=157
Negotiated a good price on these , so we can price match
Sarah
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on April 03, 2009, 01:35:41 PM
Exchange rate balls up?? You'll still get a discount at Balance though via uk-mkvs.
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=157
Negotiated a good price on these , so we can price match
Sarah

Nice one...   :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Msportman on May 05, 2009, 10:06:09 AM
Will be fitting this on my new car when mapped ....should prove a nice touch for track!

Ian
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: iainalpine on May 12, 2009, 07:51:21 AM
Morning folks. OK, just had this kit fitted along with KWv3's and eibach roll bars. As a package this rocks. I have never owned a car that has handled as good as this. my only regret is that i didnt do it in stages so i could see what each part played in the conversion. Covered around 500 miles at the weekend on mostly B roads and a few A roads and my face was sore from smiling. getting this done has highlighted the need for recaro cs's and a big brake setup!!!!

thanks for the advice given on here with regards the lift kit and coilovers.

Iain
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 22, 2009, 04:45:25 PM
Thought i best post up about mine as i was in for a service at VWR the other day and Mark noticed the centre bush has split  :surprised: and i have told whiteline uk that they have done this and they said they are as  :surprised: as me so are sending me 2 new centre bushes for them and i will take pics when i take the old ones off this weekend  :happy2:

Get them checked guys
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on May 22, 2009, 04:48:16 PM
Nice one Mat  :happy2: will get mine checked.  :scared:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 22, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Nice one Mat  :happy2: will get mine checked.  :scared:

its nothing bad its just the little bush that goes inside the massive bush as its a 2 part bush  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on May 22, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
Is it ware and tare do you think or a factory defect.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 22, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Defo  :sad1: a defect
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 27, 2009, 09:17:03 PM
new bushes turned up  :happy2: so will get old ones out this weekend and take pics of damage
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/newbushes008.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on May 28, 2009, 08:44:14 AM
^^^^
Good to know we can buy just the bushes if needed.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on July 09, 2009, 11:40:05 AM
updated original review to link tyre wear results  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: wax on July 13, 2009, 01:00:58 AM
wheres the cheaper place to buy the WALK at present?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on July 13, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
cheapest has generally been from  Balance Motorsport  (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=107418) still, although I think stocks are maybe a bit tight at the moment so it depends how quickly you want the kit  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on July 13, 2009, 12:54:40 PM
Awesome seems to be cheaper than Balance Motorsport!

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=157
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: AwesomeSarah on July 14, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Hi
There has been a delay in these
But they are coming through now and we have 9 in stock
Hope that helps?
Sarah
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on July 14, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Hi
There has been a delay in these
But they are coming through now and we have 9 in stock
Hope that helps?
Sarah

Who gets the odd one.  :chicken:   :signLOL:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: QD MBE on July 14, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
(http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/RBL/RBL008/b10952.jpg)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: AwesomeSarah on July 15, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
Hi
There has been a delay in these
But they are coming through now and we have 9 in stock
Hope that helps?
Sarah

Who gets the odd one.  :chicken:   :signLOL:
That is 9 sets  :laugh: you guys!!!!
Sarah
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on August 14, 2009, 07:50:44 AM
added another update , WALKit and bushes etc all confirmed OK  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on August 14, 2009, 09:22:45 AM
added another update , WALKit and bushes etc all confirmed OK  :happy2:

Good to know, thanks John!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on August 14, 2009, 09:43:57 AM
you being sarcastic ? :sad1:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Greeners on August 14, 2009, 10:00:56 AM
you being sarcastic ? :sad1:

For once No!  :chicken:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on August 14, 2009, 10:03:43 AM
^^^^
 
:rolleye: = sarcastic
 
:happy2: = nice one / thanks

Useful info you added, john :happy2:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 14, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
I just had my WALK fitted, and I am mega impressed. I even had the back end getting skittish when we test drove it, gonna get  a bit more rear negative camber to rein it in a little.

over all though, i am mega impressed with it, and they compilemt the rest of my suspension mods very well. bring on the top mounts and diff is what i say!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: WhiteGTI on August 15, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
I just had my WALK fitted, and I am mega impressed. I even had the back end getting skittish when we test drove it, gonna get  a bit more rear negative camber to rein it in a little.

over all though, i am mega impressed with it, and they compilemt the rest of my suspension mods very well. bring on the top mounts and diff is what i say!

Great minds think alike!!  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on August 15, 2009, 10:07:10 AM

Great minds think alike!!  :wink:

But fools seldom differ...   :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 16, 2009, 10:52:52 AM
How rude.  :wink:

Went the ring yesterday and for the first few laps the car was much improved from monday when i went, especially on the limit when being pushed. It then went to rat sh*t after that cos my tyures completely started to let go(toyo T1R possibly the worst tyre ive ever ran), and my brakes were useless towards the end of the day.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Msportman on August 17, 2009, 12:08:57 AM
How rude.  :wink:

Went the ring yesterday and for the first few laps the car was much improved from monday when i went, especially on the limit when being pushed. It then went to rat sh*t after that cos my tyures completely started to let go(toyo T1R possibly the worst tyre ive ever ran), and my brakes were useless towards the end of the day.

Try Goodyear F1 Assymetrics...came top in Evo tyre test. I went from GY F1 GSD'3's to these and they are excellent in wet and dry.

Got Dunlop Sport Max on the ED30....seem pretty good although I run Inters on track days which are brill.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 17, 2009, 08:10:05 AM
inters???

i had vredestein ultrac sessantas before, buti had a blow out, and couldnt get any to replace them, the  guy in the garage reccomended toyo T1Rs wish i had ignored him as the are utter bo**ox
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on August 20, 2009, 12:50:48 PM
....

If it's any help to those wanting the WALK after reading this review, I know that there's currently a 20% discount offer from Balance Motorsport.

Linky : - WALK 20% Special Offer.... (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108566)

:happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Oli on September 30, 2009, 08:27:52 AM
This looks like an interesting mod - Does it help reduce the torque steer, that comes with a modded ED30, mine does have a hefty pull to the right in the lower gears???

Cheers
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on September 30, 2009, 08:43:54 AM

This looks like an interesting mod - Does it help reduce the torque steer, that comes with a modded ED30, mine does have a hefty pull to the right in the lower gears???

Cheers

....According to john_o in his original post: Yes.

However I would say that it reduces rather than eliminates understeer - Which is what I think he's reporting as well. If you really want to grasp the bull by its horns, then a Quaife ATB diff would be the most effective solution but it costs many times more money.

The new Golf R you have on order will, as you know, have VW's electronic diff. It feels much more remote and less satisfying to drive when pressing on but it is a great improvement.

The Whiteline kit is another piece in the jigsaw which results in greatly improved handling and feedback but you don't need me to remind you that modding is a very slippery slope.

:happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Oli on September 30, 2009, 09:41:13 AM
Cheers Robin

Whilst I won my ED30, I just want to try and eliminate it as much as possible

Ta
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on September 30, 2009, 12:38:46 PM
Hmm wonder if it would fit the cupra... should do??  :party: :party:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 30, 2009, 12:44:12 PM
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.

so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3. dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on September 30, 2009, 01:07:23 PM
the big red one is correct as ever  :happy2:
this is just one part of the puzzle though . (its also includes tyres/bushes/suspension and engine mounts!)

my first port of call would be to check to damage / misalignment within the front suspension.
or just jump that and have the WALK fitted (as you'll need an alignment after that anyway)

the fairly supreme torque delivery on the ED30 when mapped, kinda makes it really difficult when not in the fully straight ahead to deploy those horses successfully  :grin:

Only with WALK/PS2's and VWR lower mount combined have I ever been able to apply WOT in 2nd and 3rd without wheelspin on a good even good quality tarmac surface. even then its marginal. Upgraded side mounts and better suspension would really nail it  :happy2:
in the wet well....  :chicken:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 30, 2009, 03:11:04 PM
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.

so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3. dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though

I'm sure Jonny mentioned putting them on his S3, I did wonder if they do fit though, I know you can put the S3 items on the mk5 platform as they have a less compliant bush :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on September 30, 2009, 03:17:23 PM
If an S3 wishbone fits a GTI, then I don't see why an anti-lift kit wouldn't fit an S3.... however, the benefit to an S3's geometry of having added caster is pie in the sky.

Cupra though, full yer boots.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 30, 2009, 03:22:16 PM
I'll let Jonny try if first :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on September 30, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
they will fit 100% they are all the same just s3 is alli

infact Gaz i have my old gti ones you could look at to compare with your stock ones if you want
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 30, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
The S3 1 has a full dia solid rubber bush too, where IIRC the GTI 1 has cut-outs in the bush
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on September 30, 2009, 05:37:08 PM
It's not the bush that makes the difference, it changes the geo of the wishbone.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 30, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
I was aware of that , was just discussing the originals :smiley:, don't some people run the whiteline kit with the S3 item on the otherside of the wishbone? or did I dream that :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on September 30, 2009, 05:48:51 PM
Ahhhhh....

People have upgraded the front wishbone bush to poly, dunno about S3.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on September 30, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
^^^^
That's right - Some (incl me) have upgraded the front bushes to poly to better balance and deal with the stresses which occur - Well that's the theory but I'm not such an expert to be able to back it up. People who haven't upgraded the front bush haven't had any problems yet AFAIK.

Methinks it's not essential but nonetheless a good idea while fitting the WALK. Replacing any bushes on a high-miler is a good idea.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Poverty on September 30, 2009, 06:55:15 PM
Plenty of cupras have the WALK fitted!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on September 30, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
Plenty of cupras have the WALK fitted!

in which case.. bandwagon time for me  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on September 30, 2009, 11:46:31 PM
Ahhhhh....

People have upgraded the front wishbone bush to poly, dunno about S3.

both me and robin have had this done now as I fooked a set of bushes up somehow so while they were being done at Vwr it was rude not to have other bushes done
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 05, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
Ahhhhh....

People have upgraded the front wishbone bush to poly, dunno about S3.

both me and robin have had this done now as I fooked a set of bushes up somehow so while they were being done at Vwr it was rude not to have other bushes done

which ones did you replace..

found a decent site selling powerflex bushes but there are loads of locations and sizes
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: tony_danza on October 05, 2009, 11:31:14 AM
I replaced mine with the Powerflex ones, you want these... (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html)

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 05, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
I replaced mine with the Powerflex ones, you want these... (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html)



cheers..

and which would those be when looking at this page

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/listing/59/bushes
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on October 05, 2009, 08:13:48 PM
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 05, 2009, 08:21:48 PM
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front  :happy2:

whoo cheers

2 of them plus WALK ftw
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 08, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front  :happy2:

hmm are you sure.. i think its the bushes closer to the rear which we need (number 2)

(http://www.powerflex.co.uk/resize_image.php?image=12-GOLF5_.jpg&w=450)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Aparoon on October 08, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
How much does it cost to have the whiteline kit fitted?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on October 08, 2009, 07:33:01 PM
You need bushes 1 and 2 is what the walk kit replaces
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on October 08, 2009, 08:44:53 PM
You need bushes 1 and 2 is what the walk kit replaces

i.e the one's I linked to  :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 09, 2009, 08:43:26 AM
Gotcha! makes sense now i was looking at it all backwards hehe

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 09, 2009, 08:46:10 AM
....

If it's any help to those wanting the WALK after reading this review, I know that there's currently a 20% discount offer from Balance Motorsport.

Linky : - WALK 20% Special Offer.... (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108566)

:happy2:

this offer is no longer active, i can confirm the cheapest i have found the kit for so far is £135.50 inc. VAT

http://www.dpmperformance.co.uk/whiteline-anti-lift-kit-leon-1p-14-14t-si-16-19tdi-20fsi-cupra-20t-fsi-fr-20t-si-20tdi-fr-20tdi-0504-p-3620.html
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on October 09, 2009, 09:45:09 AM
and in this case Awesome are competitive even before you ask for discount  :wink: £135 too
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on October 09, 2009, 09:50:01 AM
Anyone considering this mod/upgrade I would say "do it"... It's friggin' fantastic what it does to the traction of the car.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 09, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
and in this case Awesome are competitive even before you ask for discount  :wink: £135 too
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788

sorry but thats 20p over budget lol

how much is awesome delivery? DPM is  £9.95 and is usually dispatched within 24 hours.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 01:22:24 PM
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this excellent write up. I also have this mod and agree with all of the above, For me though the steering feels a bit heavier, But only adds to the feel giving me more confidence.  :drinking:

That is a direct result in increasing castor angle. :happy2:  Do you notice that it 'self-centres' more positively too?  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 01:24:36 PM
....

IMPORTANT:

If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.



Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly.  :smiley:

There is categorically no NEED to uprate the front bushings for the WALK to work as designed.

However, if you desire on fitting uprating front bushings for a diferent reason, then that is a diferent issue.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more.  :P

Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.

TT's quote

Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area.  Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling.  However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes.  Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car.  If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.

Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists.  You need someone who knows what works best on the road.

....And I will refer to what I have already written and add that the bottom line is what each individual wants from their GTI/Ed30. Having driven two GTI's with polybushes throughout I personally didn't find it to be the problem I expected. But ETTO.

Actually, thinking about this a bit more, if you are fitting mods such as WALK's and coilovers etc, you are already entering the twilight world of the overlap between road and track. So I don't agree with what TT has said about VWR's 'limited' knowledge of fast road needs.

Hmmmmm . . . . you only need to look at VWRs big brake kit for the Mk5.  They have clearly been designed as soley a race product, which has then had a change of frock for road use - and their short-comings are highly apparent on the road!

You really need to look at just how long VWR were a 'race-only' outfit, and just how little time they have spent in the 'road-car' world.  And before anyone starts throwing toys out of their cots, this is NOT a dig at VWR - just an honest observation - as I have massive respect for what VWR do in the race paddock, and really like Sam too.  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 01:52:32 PM
Found a little video of the walk kit in action, fitted to a new polo gti though :smiley:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaZ4yLCTeg

That is a SUPERB vid - and clearly shows just how much the standard bush moves.  But it also sorta proves that Whiteline didn't think that uprating the fronts was necessary!  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 02:30:29 PM

This looks like an interesting mod - Does it help reduce the torque steer, that comes with a modded ED30, mine does have a hefty pull to the right in the lower gears???

Cheers

....According to john_o in his original post: Yes.

However I would say that it reduces rather than eliminates understeer - Which is what I think he's reporting as well. If you really want to grasp the bull by its horns, then a Quaife ATB diff would be the most effective solution but it costs many times more money.

The new Golf R you have on order will, as you know, have VW's electronic diff. It feels much more remote and less satisfying to drive when pressing on but it is a great improvement.

Dispite what all the marketing bollox may state, I strongly doubt that it will have a genuine 'electronic' diff.  What it will actually be is just a conventional old skool open diff, but use the ESP to brake the inner wheel during acceleration during turns - just like on the current Mk5.5 Mk6 GTI - basically a two Euro tweak to the ESP software coding!  :indifferent:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on October 20, 2009, 02:37:03 PM
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front  :happy2:

hmm are you sure.. i think its the bushes closer to the rear which we need (number 2)

(http://www.powerflex.co.uk/resize_image.php?image=12-GOLF5_.jpg&w=450)

NOOOOO.  Number 2 are what the WALK replaces.  If you want to go for the additional (but 100% un-necessary) fronts, then you'll need powerflex number ones
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cuprak1 on October 20, 2009, 03:22:57 PM
no worries cheers

its mainly for peice of mine and if im changing them all and getting the laser wheel alignment done its all good
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Igor on November 25, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
Just had mine fitted, along with some Eibach sportlines and ARB's, jeez what a difference, it no longer lifts when accelerating, and all trace of understeer has gone, it just goes where it's pointed, no dramas, just bags of grip, worth every penny  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: CarrG on November 25, 2009, 07:51:20 PM
Good to know. Mine will be on soon.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 25, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
Good to know. Mine will be on soon.

Woo hoo me too  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RobH on November 25, 2009, 08:05:45 PM
was gonna get this fitted when the sub mount goes in but will have to wait till after chrimbo now :sad1:.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on November 28, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
I want this.. (have for a while!) - anyone know the best place and price to get it fitted.. awesome the best? I'm in Yorkshire
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on November 28, 2009, 10:59:56 PM
shop around for the kit (Awesome or BalanceMotorsport etc), but if youre a long way away then no probs any competent garage should be able to fit them.
just make sure you also get a geo check done afterwards  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on November 29, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Awesome sell for 160 inc VAT do they give forum discount? - I thought I'd get from there if they can do a good price fitting it. The following video shows just how easy it is! - if you have the tools!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pscUai_ACUI
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on November 29, 2009, 11:27:08 AM
Just bought it from Balance Motorsport £158 inc VAT so not too bad
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RobH on November 29, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Just bought it from Balance Motorsport £158 inc VAT so not too bad

Dont forget to tell us what you think of it once fitted :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: stiggy on November 29, 2009, 01:29:37 PM
I also bought the kit - now gathering dust since last week :ashamed:

Just waiting for VWR to get back to me so i can have the kit fitted along with springs and ARBs.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on November 29, 2009, 05:27:09 PM
how much should i expect to pay to have them put on? - an hours work yes?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on December 01, 2009, 07:23:31 PM
Okay I'm getting them fitted next Monday. The guy said he will throw in alignment as well - but he also said it shouldn't need doing, but he will check anyway. - Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Personally I wouldn't have a clue! lol
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 01, 2009, 07:25:04 PM
Okay I'm getting them fitted next Monday. The guy said he will throw in alignment as well - but he also said it shouldn't need doing, but he will check anyway. - Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Personally I wouldn't have a clue! lol

I was advised that an alignment is needed after fitting...  :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on December 01, 2009, 07:27:53 PM
in general if fitted properly then the chances are the geometry wont have changed.
but as with most things is a good idea to have it checked  :happy2: as it removes doubt should you have issues after fitting
it may also help to confirm theyve been fitted properly in the first place too
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on December 01, 2009, 07:39:41 PM
Yea I have to agree - it would make sense, I'll be there while the work is being done or hovering in the nearby anyway - so I should be able to know whether my alignment is out or not.  :happy2:

*I'm also going to revisit a few days later once i've knocked up 60 miles or so - Whiteline recommend that according to their paperwork (A4 - one sheet!)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Lean on December 07, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
Had it fitted today £69.00 Inc VAT

Haven't really had a chance to see how she handles today - although there was a marked difference on the steering wheel weight when parking up slowly (it was heavier) - However the steering felt similar to before the fitting (kinda light at 'normal' speed) and the feeling of under-steer as ever present :( Anyway those are very early days feelings... I'm going to give it a full work out tomorrow and will post 'result' tomorrow!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: animal on December 10, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Had it fitted today £69.00 Inc VAT

Haven't really had a chance to see how she handles today - although there was a marked difference on the steering wheel weight when parking up slowly (it was heavier) - However the steering felt similar to before the fitting (kinda light at 'normal' speed) and the feeling of under-steer as ever present :( Anyway those are very early days feelings... I'm going to give it a full work out tomorrow and will post 'result' tomorrow!

Under what conditions are you experiencing under-steer?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
Had it fitted today £69.00 Inc VAT

Haven't really had a chance to see how she handles today - although there was a marked difference on the steering wheel weight when parking up slowly (it was heavier) - However the steering felt similar to before the fitting (kinda light at 'normal' speed) and the feeling of under-steer as ever present :( Anyway those are very early days feelings... I'm going to give it a full work out tomorrow and will post 'result' tomorrow!

Where you get it fitted mate?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 01:17:04 PM


you shouldnt feel the same amount of understeer as before.  unless your experiencing power understeer.  You are defiantely not experiencing the same feeling i did.

what other mods do you have
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: snapey on January 06, 2010, 02:52:38 PM
Had mine fitted on Monday, Safe to say I haven't been able to test it out properly due to the gash weather but first impressions are very good.

One thing I picked up on was how direct the steering new feels, before there was a bit of slop and didn't feel too sure footed. I have to say now though it feels fantastic, point and it's turn very quick.

I don't know if its the placebo affect or anything but another thing I noticed is that the brakes feel a bit more 'feelsome' is that's a word.... I don't know if its because the wishbone isn't moving around as much but overall I'm very impressed with the early signs of improvement.

Luke
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Pablos007 on February 07, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
Great thread. Some interesting reviews and opinions, plus nice to see a modification that is given pretty much the universal thumbs-up!!  :happy2:

Getting mine fitted in three weeks along with KW V1's and dogbone mount.  Can't wait  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Bogdanbd on February 07, 2010, 11:48:15 PM
Hey guys, I'm new here.
Let me just say you have a very nice and very informative forum. Keep up the good work!

I have also order the WALK  + Bush Kit – Trailing arm - rear & Bush kit - control arm front.
Just a quick question: have you redone the wheel alignement after you have installed the WALK?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 07, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
it is definately wise to have the alignment done as it will ineveiatbly be out after fitting. plus its cheaper than buying two new tyres when you get uneven wear
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Bogdanbd on February 08, 2010, 12:18:34 AM
This is what I thought too, but I see some guys didn't do it.
I will definitely do it, thx.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on February 08, 2010, 08:45:45 PM
...  + Bush Kit – Trailing arm - rear & Bush kit - control arm front...

What are these bits?  Explanation with pics or diagrams plz...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Bogdanbd on February 08, 2010, 09:31:07 PM
you have here a nice review: http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86188&highlight=Whiteline
He installed the complete kit: WALK + bushings
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on February 10, 2010, 12:18:38 PM
add morego / S3 / TT lower arms link as I cant update the original review at the moment

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10912.30
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: strapper on April 05, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
Thinking on getting this kit and I want to fit it myself. Has anyone took any pics of it being fitted to their car? Just so I can get a better idea of what it's like?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on April 05, 2010, 11:10:20 PM
Thinking on getting this kit and I want to fit it myself. Has anyone took any pics of it being fitted to their car? Just so I can get a better idea of what it's like?

Photos emailed...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: strapper on April 06, 2010, 03:34:32 PM
Cheers :congrats:

Cant it be done in situ?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 06, 2010, 04:47:10 PM
Sold mine before I got it fitted. Bought another today though and having it fitted on 7may :)
Waiting for my bsh engine and transmision mounts too :)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on April 06, 2010, 07:53:22 PM
Cheers :congrats:

Cant it be done in situ?
Yeap... my sub frame was removed to fit the ARBs at the same time.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on January 17, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.

so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3.
dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though

 As S3 bushes fit the Golf > WALK should fit the S3 and R32.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 10, 2011, 04:37:19 PM
NEWS:

WALK with German TÜV approval:

http://www.whiteline.com.au/instruction/Z5508_%20KCA316%20TUV%20TEILEGUTACHTEN.pdf

ARBs as well:

http://www.whiteline.com.au/instruction/Z5503_BWF19XZ%20BWR20XZ%20TUV%20TEILEGUTACHTEN.pdf
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jon-tfsi on March 12, 2011, 09:36:07 AM
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.

so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3.
dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though

 As S3 bushes fit the Golf > WALK should fit the S3 and R32.

The WALK does fit the S3 and R32 but not the TT MK2 AWD as yet . . . it does fit the  TT FWD tho . . . .
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 12, 2011, 03:09:17 PM
No, the aluminium bracket of all TT 8J have a different shape, no matter if 2WD or 4WD.
(as everybody knows, who have fitted the TT arms)

The only ''offset bushes'' that fit the TT are the ones from SuperPro. Laurent has them on his A3.

 :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: conneem on March 16, 2011, 02:02:10 PM
No, the aluminium bracket of all TT 8J have a different shape, no matter if 2WD or 4WD.
(as everybody knows, who have fitted the TT arms)

The only ''offset bushes'' that fit the TT are the ones from SuperPro. Laurent has them on his A3.

 :drinking:

There is a guy on the TT-Forum that has the WALK on his MKII TT 2.0T FWD but I don't know about the bush difference :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 16, 2011, 07:16:09 PM
I wonder how the Whiteline ALK fits the TT as the TT bracket doesn' fit the Golf, A3 and so on.
So the the Golf bracket should not fit the TT and the WALK should not fit the TT as well.
Even Whiteline told me the WALK does not fit the TT.

Maybe this guy did some modifications to the bracket. Can you post a link?  :wink:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 17, 2011, 10:47:45 PM
i think your wrong about the golf.  the golf and octavia are identical.

and it fits the octavia just fine with the TT arms as shown in this build thread

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 18, 2011, 11:06:26 AM
Yes, the Octavia is the same as Golf, A3 Leon and so on.

The TT arms do fit to an Octavia. No question.

But: the TT bracket don't. The TT brackets have a different shape.
If you want to fit TT arms to an Octavia you have to reuse the
original Octavia's brackets (or the Whiteline ALK) as you have to on
Golf or Leon.

So the Whiteline ALK does not fit the TT.

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jon-tfsi on March 18, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
The WALK for the GTI wont fit the TT, but the WALK for the TT FWD will  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 18, 2011, 11:51:19 PM
There's a WALK for the TT as well now?

Good news for TT owners !! :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: TT-Turbo on March 19, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
I thought that the FWD TT can use the same MKV anti lift kit? Didn't think it mattered. I'm sure it the same part number.

Cheers for the review of the kit, very usefull.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 19, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
Yes:

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=KCA316&page=2

But cant't explain it.  :ashamed:

This application table is correct:

http://www.whiteline.com.au/instruction/Z5508_%20KCA316%20TUV%20TEILEGUTACHTEN.pdf
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: TT-Turbo on March 20, 2011, 12:30:15 AM
Well from what I have heard you can fit the MKV version as it is the same? Could be wrong however. The TT has the same set-up as the A3 which is listed to share the part also.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jon-tfsi on March 20, 2011, 11:48:13 AM
The TT console is similar but has differences to the gti console. GTI on the left

(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww123/jon-tfsi/IMGP0035.jpg)

(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww123/jon-tfsi/IMGP0034.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 20, 2011, 12:02:37 PM
 :happy2:

TT is slightly different (on front) to Golf/A3/Ocatvia/Leon.
Think of the higher roll center and the much larger wheel sizes.

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Bernhard30 on March 20, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
Probably a dum question this - but is there any down side to fitting a WALK onto a Mk5 GTI?

I only ask as I'm fancying my car to have a bit better traction, it's just used on the road, with no plans to 'track it'.
But my Stg 1 Revo map, with Autotech fuel pump and Milltek DP & Dbilas induction set up are all combining to overwhelm my Ed30's front tyres all too easily even in 3rd gear.
It's running on Michelin PS3's which are clearly road tyres so no thoughts on sticking on much stickier rubber, just the review of WALK does seem good to aid traction.

However in chats with my local tuner about a change of suspension, I'm thinking Bilstein B12, I asked about fitting WALK too and his thoughts are that it too falls into the general "engine mounts = harsh as hell" category. Which I really don't want. I really respect his view but wondered on other peoples thoughts.

I ran a Vibratechnics front mount years back on my old Mk2 GTi and never felt it 'harsh' but then a Mk2 on 195/50/15 is somewhat more 'comfy' than a Mk5 on 18" 40 section tyres. So I'm erring away from engine mounts per se, but would like to know if WALK does transfer vibes into the car and make it harder/more choppy for road use.

I appreciate it's a tricky thing to judge, but if anyone has fitted WALK and then compared the drive afterwards did it make the ride harsher and less compliant.

I'm probably at the opposite end to RR in terms of wanting to hear and feel the engine working and the transmission doing it stuff. Really want to minimise harsh vibes through the car. So would just like people's views.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 20, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
I've been driven a friend's ED30 fitted with a WALK and Bilstein B6 several time.
Very comfortable ride with no harshness compared to my with 19" and coilover.

Compared to fully stock ride comfort should be just slighly harsher like the
differences between two types of tyres. So don't hesitate.

You own an mapped ED30 and you need traction. In German we use to say
''einen Tod muss man halt sterben'' = there's one death you have to die.  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Top Cat on March 21, 2011, 10:48:33 PM
Probably a dum question this - but is there any down side to fitting a WALK onto a Mk5 GTI?

I only ask as I'm fancying my car to have a bit better traction, it's just used on the road, with no plans to 'track it'.
But my Stg 1 Revo map, with Autotech fuel pump and Milltek DP & Dbilas induction set up are all combining to overwhelm my Ed30's front tyres all too easily even in 3rd gear.
It's running on Michelin PS3's which are clearly road tyres so no thoughts on sticking on much stickier rubber, just the review of WALK does seem good to aid traction.

However in chats with my local tuner about a change of suspension, I'm thinking Bilstein B12, I asked about fitting WALK too and his thoughts are that it too falls into the general "engine mounts = harsh as hell" category. Which I really don't want. I really respect his view but wondered on other peoples thoughts.

I ran a Vibratechnics front mount years back on my old Mk2 GTi and never felt it 'harsh' but then a Mk2 on 195/50/15 is somewhat more 'comfy' than a Mk5 on 18" 40 section tyres. So I'm erring away from engine mounts per se, but would like to know if WALK does transfer vibes into the car and make it harder/more choppy for road use.

I appreciate it's a tricky thing to judge, but if anyone has fitted WALK and then compared the drive afterwards did it make the ride harsher and less compliant.

I'm probably at the opposite end to RR in terms of wanting to hear and feel the engine working and the transmission doing it stuff. Really want to minimise harsh vibes through the car. So would just like people's views.

There is hardly any difference with the W.A.L.K fitted over stock. The steering is slightly heavier but this feels better IMO, other than that you cant tell it's fitted, until you go round bends.  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: john_o on March 23, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
TC is spot on, WALK fits between body and suspension components , whereas engine mounts are engine to body.
You would be hard pushed to notice any difference in general vibration noise etc. indicates that the mechanic maybe doesnt quite understand what the WALK is.

just get it fitted  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: danh on March 25, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
Possibly one of the best mods (with the exception of Revo ST2) I have done on my car so far, highly recommended and as said above, Awesome GTI fitted in less than an hour.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: liver on March 25, 2011, 11:04:10 AM
how much did awesome charge to fit it?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: danh on March 25, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
Was one of the first things I did about a year ago, pretty sure it was one hours labour but I took it elsewhere to have the 4 wheel alignment done due to cost...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on March 25, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
Anyone fitted the WALK without wheel alignment?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: rich83 on March 25, 2011, 12:06:33 PM
Anyone fitted the WALK without wheel alignment?

I ran my car for about  2 months after i had it fitted. It felt way better once i had the alignment done but then again it might not have been the WALK that knocked it out!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: danh on March 25, 2011, 12:09:47 PM
When fitting the WALK sometimes it is hard to remove the old part so sometimes the tech may need to be a little rigerous with it hence you need the alignment sorted, mine wasnt too hard after but noticably better after alignment
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Neilgti on April 13, 2011, 06:19:00 AM
been enquiring yesterday from the local vw tuning specialist about getting the walk kit fitted to the mk6 and rear engine mount fitted, he came back to me a couple of hrs later and said that there isn't any in the country till the end of May  :surprised:(the walk kits that is)  Anyone know any different ? am i right in thinking that they are different to the mk5 ones ?

Thanx in advance guys  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on April 13, 2011, 07:30:05 PM
No.
Mk.V = Mk.VI = Leon = Octavia and so on . . .

There's a new version of WALK approved to German TÜV standards
(no changes in design, just numbers marked).
Think WL has changed the production. Maybe that's the reason.
I don't know if WL had problems with the catastrophies in Australia.

Will get my WALK fitted together with front arm bushes, rear trailing
arm bushes and S3 hubs.
Then later I will test WL ARBs and TT arms, but not yet.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Neilgti on April 13, 2011, 08:15:53 PM
^^ Thanx for the info
may go down the super pros route instead, as Mr Ps   :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Deacon on April 13, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
Does anyone know if Eibach or H&R do an equivalent of the WALK? Have done a search but not found anything but may be they have a specific name for their version?

Cheers,

Deacon
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on April 13, 2011, 11:09:33 PM
I know they do not.  :wink:

The only similar thing is the offset bush from SuperPro which Laurent has had.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Deacon on April 17, 2011, 10:45:16 AM
I know they do not.  :wink:

The only similar thing is the offset bush from SuperPro which Laurent has had.

Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on April 21, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
After I have fitted my WALK together with front bushes, rear traing arm bushes and
S3 hubs I still wasn't able to drive it (trouble with the paint shop unfortunately).  :scared:

I feel free to tell you some thoughts about it though:

- wheel alignment is absolutely neccessary
- the reason: fitting the walk will turn toe in to toe out
- front bushes aren't needed if the car isn't tracked
- alignment offers chance to optimize camber (pulling WALK outwards) and ...
- ... optimize castor (by pulling WALK to front)
- also to keep both sides similar this way
- if necessary loosen subframe and push it slightly

Don't forged to align the rear first as always. Toe and camber are adjustable
at rear as well. Sadly some damagers dealers don't do this though.

Can't wait to drive my car next week.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on May 25, 2011, 03:55:04 PM
(http://www.golf5gti.com/upload/avatars/utool_f_1302195178_3041.jpg)

(http://www.golf5gti.com/upload/avatars/utool_f_1302246204_3041.jpg)


Having the WALK fitted for a couple of weeks I feel free to report.  :wink:

Traction is significiently improved, understeer is reduced.
NVH is only slightly increased, so no problem at all.

I did the front bushes and the rear trailing arm bushes at the same
time, so this might have a small influence, but I gues the WALK will
make the hugest inprovement.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RagingKileak on May 25, 2011, 10:04:34 PM
What's NVH guys?

Matt
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: stealthwolf on May 25, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
Noise, vibration, harshness?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 15, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
i fitted the WALK to my mk6 today. took a while to find one in stock as there is a 6 week wait in the uK at the moment! JKM came through though.



Fitted the kit on the driveway at home and went on fairly easy. hardest part is getting the old bushing off the hex spigot.



first initial test drive and there is definitely increased traction and the steering feels heavier with more feel.



I'm getting 4 wheel alignment done tomorrow to make sure everything is right but so far I'm happy with it
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 17, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
had the wheel alignment set yesterday

it wasn't too far out but was worth checking. right rear toe slightly out but inside VW tolerance. car has 1100 miles on it so left the factory like that. got it set to Hunters machine tolerance which is closer to ideal.

front castor at 8 degrees which is spot on and camber was very good. toe in was slightly out of spec so had that set right

car is geometry is almost perfect comparing left and right so I'm pleased but it wasn't cheap!




had the car on 2 proper drives on the twistys now and i can confirm the WALK increases steering feel and weight nicely, the car is more stable on the gas and there is more traction out of corners. the traction control is barely activated now and can run without it without spinning its power away no problem.

also fully turned off the ASR and ESP and had a little play around and the tail is quite playful on the damp with lift off oversteer. a nice touch for the 2012MY. makes you realise how good the ESP is though. on everyday driving it must come on a lot but is very subtle IMO and a great safety feature. no need to turn it off on the road TBH



i ran it with the traction control off today and grip was very good even on damp leafy roads.


the WALK by the time you have alignment done isnt cheap but it isn't expensive IMO and does make a difference. well worth a go


i think a 24mm rear way bar would be a nice addition then thats me done with the mods...
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Kregiel on November 17, 2011, 09:55:08 PM
it hard to believe you're done with the mods! i started with stage 1 and was telling myself I'd leave it at that, now hr arb, bilstein b12, walk, tarox 10 pot, forge IC, forge intake, milltek full exhaust and stage 2 here I go... will be fitted in next 2 weeks...

 
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 18, 2011, 10:26:41 AM
well i was going to get a reconditioned rns510 for christmas but could get a milltek exhaust for that sort of money

its only about a 5bhp gain max but does look nicer and weighs a lot less!

if i do suspension it will definitely be a B12 kit but i kind the OEM suspension great for british B roads anyway.


what size ARB did you get? I'm prob going to change the rear. mine is a mk6 though and they have fatter rear bars to the mk5
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 12:16:11 PM
There is no substancial difference between Mk.V and Mk.VI bars
and I don't recommend changing the rear bar only. For public road
driving do both.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 18, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
i emailed whiteline and the guy there said a rear sway bar is a good mod and do fit before fitting the front to see what difference each one makes
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 08:26:14 PM
So he's got his opinion on this and I've got mine.  :wink:

I did the rear bar first, then the front bar on my GTI.
I tried several settings both on track and street.
If he's done this on an Mk.V as well?

Autocross may be a different story as speeds are low.
On street you need confidence and safety under all
weather conditions. So don't take any risk.

 :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 18, 2011, 08:37:04 PM
he recommended changing the rear first as there is a lot of understeer in the car as standard and a stiffer ARB makes it more neutral.

I've not had any issues with the standard set up being snappy at the rear so there is a lot of room to make things tighter at the back end IMO.

if its 3 way adjustable its always possible to try different settings to find a good balance
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jamiew on December 04, 2011, 02:36:25 PM
Thanks for the thread, helped allot
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on January 06, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
had my WALK fitted along with an Autotech rear ARB today. had a 4 wheel alignment done at the same time

now the car is pulling to the left? i had them fitted by Midland VW, so a tried, tested and trusted set of blokes. they had it on the tracker 3 or 4 times and couldn't get it to steer straight. is this normal? Jody (gaffer at Midland VW) seems to think once the bushes have softened a bit it'll sort itself, but i bought the kit 2nd hand with 3k miles on it  :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: rich83 on January 06, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
Thats a lot of cobblers. You should be able to get it aligned and it should drive true!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on January 06, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
 I had my 4 wheel alignment done at a reputable tuning shop on the hunters machine and mine pulled like hell to the left even though the print out looked perfect afterwards so a few days later had them re check it and they adjusted it.

They had just had the machine re calibrated which they say had something to do with it but now it's good and the print out looks very good.


A thing you will notice with the stiffer bushes on the WALK is it will want to follow imperfections in the road more as there is less slop in the suspension now.

I would give it a few days or take it for a decent drive and get them to do it again once bedded in. The 2 print outs I got (maybe 200miles. Between the 2 alignments) were very different.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on January 06, 2012, 10:37:01 PM
Also how do you find the rear sway bar? I want a whiteline adjustable one but don't want the back end to be too loose. Does it feel like the back end wants to come round more?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on January 06, 2012, 10:44:08 PM
i don't have the alignment print out but Jody's said they've put it as close to the border of factory tolerance to get it straight? i would have thought any product that made the car pull to the left would never be as popular as the WALK is, but i'm not local to Midland VW i just happened to be in the area for a day, i trust them and they were cheaper than another well known VAG specialist i live close to so i had them do it. BUT now taking it back to them is a problem because they're quite far away

no the car is VERY neutral now. i lose my nerve before it wants to understeer, and it does not at all feel like it's gonna oversteer even slightly
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on January 06, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
Ok thanks. I'm going to look into getting a rear sway bar next


As flor the alignment the WALK certainly shouldn't make it pull to the left just more sensitive to camber and imperfections.

If you find a clear road and drive right down the centre so the white lines are between your wheels the car should go perfectly straight - I tried this and mine still pulled left as it was aligned 'wrong' but was still within tolerance

When I went back the 2nd time the guy barely had to change anything t get it to run straight. I suppose they're quite sensitive to alignment.


Your best bet is to find a hunter alignment machine as it more accurate than what most dealers use and you can watch the screen to see what's happening to the car as its all computerised and you get a print out so you see the before and after.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: snapey on January 07, 2012, 10:24:51 AM
Sub39h, I thought I recognised your car when you pulled into the car park yesterday, have to say it looked pretty sweet. I was there having the tracking sorted on the R, which turned out to be an offset steering wheel  :stupid:

Luke
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on January 07, 2012, 11:38:09 AM
Sub39h, I thought I recognised your car when you pulled into the car park yesterday, have to say it looked pretty sweet. I was there having the tracking sorted on the R, which turned out to be an offset steering wheel  :stupid:

Luke

LMAO I was hoping nobody would recognise it, it's FILTHY at the moment!!! I was wondering whose that Scirocco's was, Rising Blue is definitely the best colour :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on January 24, 2012, 10:12:27 AM
problem sorted - Midland VW had their tracker calibrated and the gaffer asked me back to have another look. one minor tweak later and all is well
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: W8 Performance on January 24, 2012, 01:14:31 PM
Good news! Glad all is well.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: dan930 on February 02, 2012, 07:53:31 PM
Is it really worth doing this mod??i have to drive 60ish miles to get it done at vagtech then drive another 60ish miles to r-tech to get a stg1 remap on my ed30
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on February 02, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
I can't comment on the mod in isolation as I had it fitted with an Autotech rear ARB but together they've totally transformed my car. Grip and handling are something else now. I had to readjust my limits when driving
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on February 02, 2012, 09:44:33 PM
adds a lot of weight and feel to the steering which i prefer
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on February 02, 2012, 09:49:00 PM
If you have read this topic you now it is.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 10:54:34 PM
Probably a dum question this - but is there any down side to fitting a WALK onto a Mk5 GTI?
NO


However in chats with my local tuner about a change of suspension, I'm thinking Bilstein B12, I asked about fitting WALK too and his thoughts are that it too falls into the general "engine mounts = harsh as hell" category. Which I really don't want. I really respect his view but wondered on other peoples thoughts.
With respect, I suggest your 'tuner' either has little experience with the Mk5 platform, or plainly hasn't got a clue about the WALK.  :surprised:

When fitted in isolation, the WALK will not make the car ride or feel any harsher than standard rear TCA mounts.  As others have said, the only thing felt will be by the driver only - in the form of very slightly 'heavier' steering.  :driver:

The WALK basically does two things: (a) improves the self-centering of the steering during forward motion (through an increase in castor), and (b) provides far greater control to the front roadwheel assemblies during harsh driving and/or road conditions (maintains geometery due to semi-solid nylon bushing). :nerd:


I ran a Vibratechnics front mount years back on my old Mk2 GTi and never felt it 'harsh' but then a Mk2 on 195/50/15 is somewhat more 'comfy' than a Mk5 on 18" 40 section tyres. So I'm erring away from engine mounts per se, but would like to know if WALK does transfer vibes into the car and make it harder/more choppy for road use.
ALL areas of the Mk5 have come on in leaps and bounds compared to the Mk2 - not just engines or electronics, but also chassis dynamics and 'noise vibration and harshness'.  :drinking:

There are many of us on here with WALK, AND uprated engine mounts - and they are still perfectly refined enough to be a daily driver for peeps with knackered backs, SWMBOs, oldies, etc!  :notworthy:


I appreciate it's a tricky thing to judge, but if anyone has fitted WALK and then compared the drive afterwards did it make the ride harsher and less compliant.
When I fitted my WALK - thats all I did, so I could try the 'before and after' drive soley on the WALK.  It makes ZERO effect on the harshness or compliance of the ride.  :innocent:


I'm probably at the opposite end to RR in terms of wanting to hear and feel the engine working and the transmission doing it stuff. Really want to minimise harsh vibes through the car. So would just like people's views.
Get it fitted man, you'll wonder what all the fuss you are fretting over was about . . . honestly - you wont regret it.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 10:56:53 PM
Anyone fitted the WALK without wheel alignment?
Yup.  Initially, I just fitted the WALK by itself (I also had new ARBs - but at the time couldn't be ar$ed to drop the subframe).  If you are very careful, you can get the WALK housings to line up exactly where the original ones were.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:01:10 PM
When fitting the WALK sometimes it is hard to remove the old part so sometimes the tech may need to be a little rigerous with it hence you need the alignment sorted, mine wasnt too hard after but noticably better after alignment
Rubbish!

A competent tech - with the appropriate 'skills' will have no problem removing the old rear TCA bushings.  Still, I suppose it's these kinda things which differentiate 'proper' technicians with the 'so-called' technicians employed at VW stealers . . .  <dons nomex>
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:10:35 PM
had my WALK fitted along with an Autotech rear ARB today. had a 4 wheel alignment done at the same time

now the car is pulling to the left? i had them fitted by Midland VW, so a tried, tested and trusted set of blokes. they had it on the tracker 3 or 4 times and couldn't get it to steer straight. is this normal? Jody (gaffer at Midland VW) seems to think once the bushes have softened a bit it'll sort itself, but i bought the kit 2nd hand with 3k miles on it  :confused:
NEVER let main dealers loose on alignment - they just do NOT have the expertise (just like they are fcukign useless with air con).  You really need to get alignment done at a specialist.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on February 04, 2012, 11:12:47 PM
TT, my question was almost one year old.  :laugh:

When fitting the walk you get some toe out even if put to exactly same position.
The ball joints and hubs move forward and so the steering rids get ''too short'.
So a realignment will be absolutely neccessary.

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 04, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
TT, my question was almost one year old.  :laugh:

When fitting the walk you get some toe out even if put to exactly same position.
The ball joints and hubs move forward and so the steering rids get ''too short'.
So a realignment will be absolutely neccessary.
Hmmm . . . I can't lay my hands on my alignment printouts following fitting the ARBs, but I don't recall any noticable difference in toe.  IIRC, the biggest issue was with one of the rear end settings (really can't remember which  :ashamed:)

Anyway, I've always personally liked more toe out than standard (20-40minutes over standard) - it just suits my driving style and preference!  :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on February 05, 2012, 12:57:47 AM
20 - 40 minutes, that's lots !!  :wink:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 05, 2012, 01:03:55 AM
20 - 40 minutes, that's lots !!  :wink:
Roughly half a degree!  Not that much really.  :surprised:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jonbmx900 on February 18, 2012, 05:28:35 PM
I'm thinking of doing this mod to my gt tdi 140 is it a worth while mod ?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on February 18, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
One of the not-so-expensive mods I love most. You'll feel the difference. :driver:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Mk5 GTian on March 16, 2012, 04:39:05 AM

Should I get WALK done before or after my Stage 1, or does it not matter?  :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: SteveP on March 16, 2012, 06:44:11 AM
It doesn't matter, the WALK will benefit all Mk5's
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Black9 on March 20, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
Great mod, improves turn in & steering weight/feel. Defo a worth while mod :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on March 20, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
had my WALK fitted along with an Autotech rear ARB today. had a 4 wheel alignment done at the same time

now the car is pulling to the left? i had them fitted by Midland VW, so a tried, tested and trusted set of blokes. they had it on the tracker 3 or 4 times and couldn't get it to steer straight. is this normal? Jody (gaffer at Midland VW) seems to think once the bushes have softened a bit it'll sort itself, but i bought the kit 2nd hand with 3k miles on it  :confused:
NEVER let main dealers loose on alignment - they just do NOT have the expertise (just like they are fcukign useless with air con).  You really need to get alignment done at a specialist.

Midland VW are a specialist :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on March 20, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
Is it still pulling?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 20, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Is it still pulling?

Thanks for the rapid supply & fit of the WALK alternative dude!  :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:

Cannot wait to get back in the car after you've put the superpro & dogbone & fast road setup on!  :party: :party:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sub39h on March 21, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Is it still pulling?

problem sorted - Midland VW had their tracker calibrated and the gaffer asked me back to have another look. one minor tweak later and all is well
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Mk5 GTian on April 04, 2012, 05:49:38 AM
....

IMPORTANT:

If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.


Can I ask what the latest thinking is on this please? I've had my Stage 1 done now, and the modding bug has bitten me! Slippery slope indeed! I'm about to buy the WALK kit, but would like to know if the bushes on the other side of the wishbone should also be upgraded. If so, to allow me to budget for this, how much would this be in terms of parts and labour?

Thanks,

Ian.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on April 04, 2012, 07:26:25 AM
I did the front bushes as well. Ask the dealer. They have delivered the front bushes for free
if you purchase the WALK a few weeks ago.
The stock front arme rear bushes are known for it's weakness, but also the front bushes
detoriate early. At least check them when you install the WALK.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: W8 Performance on April 04, 2012, 11:26:04 AM
The bushes are part no W0503 and are about £40 / £45. I wouldnt have thought it would take more than 1 to 2 hrs to hack the old bushes out and re fit new ones.

Whiteline were giving them away with the walk kits that were ordered before the end of Feb to make up for the huge delays in the Walk kits from Decemeber.

I guess some people purchased a few kits as stock. I only got 5 then when I got 5 more I have to pay for them  :ashamed:

Rob :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Mk5 GTian on April 09, 2012, 04:49:35 AM
The bushes are part no W0503 and are about £40 / £45. I wouldnt have thought it would take more than 1 to 2 hrs to hack the old bushes out and re fit new ones.

Whiteline were giving them away with the walk kits that were ordered before the end of Feb to make up for the huge delays in the Walk kits from Decemeber.

I guess some people purchased a few kits as stock. I only got 5 then when I got 5 more I have to pay for them  :ashamed:

Rob :happy2:

Thanks Rob. I'm picking up my WALK from a member who no longer has them in his build plans. But can I buy the bushes from you just in case they need to be replaced on inspection when the WALK is installed? If not needed, I'll put them on the bay.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sanj on April 09, 2012, 01:24:56 PM
I had my WALK kit+whiteline bushes fitted a few day's ago and it's the best thing i've ever done,completley different car so much more refined and loving the extra power to the front wheel's with no wheel hop at all,engine mount insert  fitted as well! :happy2:

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z19/sanj_photos/20120407_121241.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Mk5 GTian on April 09, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
I had my WALK kit+whiteline bushes fitted a few day's ago and it's the best thing i've ever done,completley different car so much more refined and loving the extra power to the front wheel's with no wheel hop at all,engine mount insert  fitted as well! :happy2:

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z19/sanj_photos/20120407_121241.jpg)

Great, thanks for that pic Sanj.  :happy2:

Could I ask how many hours of labour you had to pay for installation of WALK & bushes?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: sanj on April 09, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Hiya mate,it was a pain in the ass for the poor chap's who fitted the whole thing as I had fitted the Eibach spring's a well,so everything had to come off to get the spring's in,it's a good thing the owner of the garage is a very good friend of mine and fitting took his top mechanic quite some time,around a full day at a cost to me of only £40! :jumping:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: w8scc on April 10, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
great threads. Going to get this kit fitted for the summer hopefully!

Out of interest, what are the fitting costs that epople have had for this kit?

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on April 10, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
its very easy to install on your own on axle stands.

a garage shoudlnt charge more than 1 hours labour. its very straight forward

you will need alignment done after though which is around £50
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: w8scc on April 10, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Ok cool thanks for help. My mate is a mechanic so he should be able to do it or if not i go midland vw for all servicing and that so they should do me a good price.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: cupra_k1 on April 10, 2012, 10:59:56 PM
Ok cool thanks for help. My mate is a mechanic so he should be able to do it or if not i go midland vw for all servicing and that so they should do me a good price.

Jody at Midland VW charged me £140 to fit the WALK kit, front lower arm bushes and full wheel alignment.
The WALK really is a great mod and well worth doing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on April 10, 2012, 11:33:34 PM
That's not bad as the bushes are a pain to fit DIY
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: w8scc on April 11, 2012, 10:20:16 AM
Yeah Jody got back to me last night with about that price. Just waiting to sell my vagcom and then ill buy it and get booked in at midlandvw. When getting the walk.. any advise doing anything else to? and why? was going to get lower engine mount insert done aswel.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on April 11, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Yes they're a great mod

I've got a whiteline bumP steer kit to go on the car. Might be worth doing at the same time so 2 alignments aren't needed. I would have fitted it same time as the WALK but had to wait a while for the BS kit
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: chris s on April 18, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Just had walk fitted on Monday, the mechanic and i can both hear the brakes catching on full lock. Any idea if the two are related?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: dodds-gttdi on April 24, 2012, 11:15:34 PM
Just booked my car in for whiteline kit , 4 wheel alignment and MOT for next wednesday. Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?

(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/spacerbolts.jpg)

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=41169
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on April 24, 2012, 11:17:01 PM
YES !!!!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Sammy on April 25, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I have bought the walk kit but not fitted it yet, am I going to get rubbing issues also?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mvb12 on April 25, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
I have bought the walk kit but not fitted it yet, am I going to get rubbing issues also?

rubbing issues?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Sammy on April 25, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
Sorry I wrote that out wrong, what I meant was is there modification required for it to fit on without any issues
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on April 25, 2012, 02:48:46 PM
just 3 bolts and a hex spigot push on. fits right on easy.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Black9 on April 27, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
WALK fits tight on, had mine for around 4 months now. Great piece of kit, increase steering weight and response. Overall v happy
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Geoffcapes on June 07, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
I ve got this fitted to my scirocco and boy does it make a difference!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on June 07, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Don't forget to get an alignment, mates !!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on June 07, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
WALK and bump steer kit fitted along with B12 sport line kit

(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h456/elbowsg450x/e5d16b41.jpg)

(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h456/elbowsg450x/9abc4cb6.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on June 07, 2012, 09:53:25 PM
Impressions, mate !!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on June 08, 2012, 09:09:21 AM
now my car is lowered i can feel the benefit of the BSK, on standard height it felt strange

now steering is much more positive. it actually takes a little getting used to as less steering lock is required to turn.


impressions of the B12 kit are excellent. excellent damping control, comfort as good if not better than OEM in my opinion as the ride is still firm but not crash anymore.

body roll reduced and cornering definitely feels more accurate.


The WALK is a good mod on a standard or modified car but the BSK is only worth doing on a lowered car i have found.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on June 08, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
Just booked my car in for whiteline kit , 4 wheel alignment and MOT for next wednesday. Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?

(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/spacerbolts.jpg)

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=41169

They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on June 08, 2012, 08:14:43 PM

Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?

(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/spacerbolts.jpg)


They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's  :happy2:


....But aren't these ECS bolts a different spec and much better than VW OEM's?

They look like the ones we just bought in a Group Buy here.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on June 08, 2012, 11:13:29 PM

Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?

(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/spacerbolts.jpg)


They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's  :happy2:


....But aren't these ECS bolts a different spec and much better than VW OEM's?

They look like the ones we just bought in a Group Buy here.

I may have missed a thread or two Robin but I was under the impression that the two were the same thing (with a difference in price)?? I'm sure Mandy and a few others just bought the OEM ones which cured the subframe movement & noise.

Just had a look at the group buy, they are purchased from TPS which I believe means they are OEM parts (TPS only seem to sell genuine parts). I may be wrong though  :grin:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on June 08, 2012, 11:32:02 PM
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My understanding is that the bolts and spacers we recently bought in the Group Buy are different from the OEM ones and are high tensile non-stretch.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on June 08, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
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My understanding is that the bolts and spacers we recently bought in the Group Buy are different from the OEM ones and are high tensile non-stretch.

They are OEM Robin and the same you would buy from VW etc.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on June 08, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
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My understanding is that the bolts and spacers we recently bought in the Group Buy are different from the OEM ones and are high tensile non-stretch.


They are OEM Robin and the same you would buy from VW etc.  :happy2:


....Really? Are they a relatively new version/revision by VW?

How do you explain that these are non-stretch and that earlier ones were stretch bolts? [so I'm told].
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on June 09, 2012, 07:40:39 AM
They are an oem upgrade.  The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory.  I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.

I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2012, 08:05:38 AM

They are an oem upgrade.  The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory.  I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.

I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.


....I only bought them because I thought they were better than on my 05-plate 06-plate car.

Thanks, Alex  :drinking:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on June 09, 2012, 06:34:45 PM

They are an oem upgrade.  The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory.  I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.

I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.


....I only bought them because I thought they were better than on my 05-plate 06-plate car.

Thanks, Alex  :drinking:

If your subframe doesn't and had never moved then there is no point in buying them.  They are a different bolt with a good sized washer on them to spread the load and give more surface to hold, but still an oem bolt but from another car.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2012, 06:40:03 PM

They are an oem upgrade.  The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory.  I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.

I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.


....I only bought them because I thought they were better than on my 05-plate 06-plate car.

Thanks, Alex  :drinking:

If your subframe doesn't and had never moved then there is no point in buying them.  They are a different bolt with a good sized washer on them to spread the load and give more surface to hold, but still an oem bolt but from another car.


....Too late! I've bought them so I'll use them. Will be interesting to see how tight my existing bolts are.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on July 06, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
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Re: WALK and SuperPro:

Apparently, SuperPro used to manufacture the bushes for the WALK - They no longer do. Also, the poly used by both companies is very similar. The cases of WALK insert failure (as Tsi_Mike's example) is about 1 in 500 and, of those, much more commonly in cars driven very hard or on track.

IF anyone experiences WALK bush failure, then the most economic solution (I don't know what WALK's warranty is like) is to buy the appropriate SuperPro bushes which will fit into your OEM consoles (of course you did keep them, didn't you!) and you won't lose any WALK features, so I'm told.

Here are some of Tsi_Mike's example pics:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/8a28f6f5.jpg)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/16334b65.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 06, 2012, 04:18:01 PM

Yes those WALK bushes were removed from my car.  To be frank they hadn't had that much 'abuse' in terms of fast / hard cornering.

Perhaps the occasional contact with wheel cleaning product?  Not sure.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on July 06, 2012, 05:28:05 PM

Yes those WALK bushes were removed from my car.  To be frank they hadn't had that much 'abuse' in terms of fast / hard cornering.

Perhaps the occasional contact with wheel cleaning product?  Not sure.

What specific product are you alluding to?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 06, 2012, 05:37:42 PM

There isn't a particular one. Just that if you have an open Style wheel, an acidic wheel cleaner may have some effect on the rubber?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on July 06, 2012, 05:43:18 PM
The wear on Mikes were mainly due to the supplied grease drying up.

My WALK kit had been on my car for nearly 2 years, the grease was still good, but the bushes had started to crack.

I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline.  I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on July 06, 2012, 06:05:14 PM

I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline.  I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.


....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jedi-knight83 on July 06, 2012, 06:17:32 PM

There isn't a particular one. Just that if you have an open Style wheel, an acidic wheel cleaner may have some effect on the rubber?

acid wheel cleaners are nasty stuff. they will ruin any nice looking brake / suspension metal very quickly.

For regular use i use and recommend autoglym custom wheels (or simply acid free wheel cleaner in its trade form)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on July 06, 2012, 06:19:59 PM

I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline.  I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.


....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.

Response just in from SuperPro:

'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.

This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.

The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'

 :P :love:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: jedi-knight83 on July 06, 2012, 06:21:41 PM

I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline.  I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.


....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.

Response just in from SuperPro:

'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.

This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.

The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'

 :P :love:

alex, how much are the superpro bush inserts for the walk kit.... not that i need them replacing yet after you supplied with with nice newish unsplit ones  :happy2: but just for future reference?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on July 06, 2012, 06:29:57 PM

I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline.  I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.


....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.

Response just in from SuperPro:

'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.

This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.

The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'

 :P :love:

alex, how much are the superpro bush inserts for the walk kit.... not that i need them replacing yet after you supplied with with nice newish unsplit ones  :happy2: but just for future reference?

Just the SuperPro bush retails at £100.76.  You would need to fit them into your original consoles.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on July 06, 2012, 06:40:37 PM

acid wheel cleaners are nasty stuff. they will ruin any nice looking brake / suspension metal very quickly.

For regular use i use and recommend autoglym custom wheels (or simply acid free wheel cleaner in its trade form)


....Phew! That's good to know  :happy2: - I only use Autoglym Custom Wheels (or Meg's NXT shampoo).
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on July 06, 2012, 07:28:08 PM

Response just in from SuperPro:

'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.

This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.

The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'

 :P :love:

....Well, I wasn't too far out: There has been SuperPro history. :happy2:

Thanks for the more accurate info, Alex. You wouldn't have learnt this if I hadn't posted what I had heard  :P  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on July 06, 2012, 07:38:54 PM

Response just in from SuperPro:

'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.

This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.

The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'

 :P :love:

....Well, I wasn't too far out: There has been SuperPro history. :happy2:

Thanks for the more accurate info, Alex. You wouldn't have learnt this if I hadn't posted what I had heard  :P  :happy2:

Very true.   :drinking:  :notworthy:  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: berg on July 07, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
had my WALK bushes checked today when ub and xb fitted, all ok so far
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on July 10, 2012, 07:22:29 PM

Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?

(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/spacerbolts.jpg)


They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's  :happy2:


....But aren't these ECS bolts a different spec and much better than VW OEM's?

They look like the ones we just bought in a Group Buy here.

I may have missed a thread or two Robin but I was under the impression that the two were the same thing (with a difference in price)?? I'm sure Mandy and a few others just bought the OEM ones which cured the subframe movement & noise.

Just had a look at the group buy, they are purchased from TPS which I believe means they are OEM parts (TPS only seem to sell genuine parts). I may be wrong though  :grin:

How do I diagnose if my current bolts have stretched and need replacing?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on July 11, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
noise !!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 02, 2012, 11:40:30 AM
Am thinking of getting the WALK as I use mine on track a couple of times a year and have noticed lift and spinning up of the inside wheel accelerating out of a corner.

Does anyone have the part number of the bolts to change as well please? Is it worth changing them anyway? I was also thinking of changing the other mount parts (part number?) that have been mentioned, but just replacing it for a new set of OEM ones, as I don't want to make the ride harder.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: bacillus on November 02, 2012, 11:03:40 PM
Am thinking of getting the WALK as I use mine on track a couple of times a year and have noticed lift and spinning up of the inside wheel accelerating out of a corner.

Does anyone have the part number of the bolts to change as well please? Is it worth changing them anyway? I was also thinking of changing the other mount parts (part number?) that have been mentioned, but just replacing it for a new set of OEM ones, as I don't want to make the ride harder.

I would go with the SuperPro console bushes that fit into the oem consoles if I had to do it again.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/khany/Blue%20M3/Picture059.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 02, 2012, 11:05:21 PM

I did do it again and went SuperPro  :smiley:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 03, 2012, 08:51:56 AM

I would go with the SuperPro console bushes that fit into the oem consoles if I had to do it again.


....So would I. I'm not at all unhappy with my Whiteline's but the SuperPro with lighter weight arms represents very good value.


Am thinking of getting the WALK as I use mine on track a couple of times a year and have noticed lift and spinning up of the inside wheel accelerating out of a corner.

Does anyone have the part number of the bolts to change as well please? Is it worth changing them anyway? I was also thinking of changing the other mount parts (part number?) that have been mentioned, but just replacing it for a new set of OEM ones, as I don't want to make the ride harder.


....Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but most suspension mods which effectively improve handling or the transmission of power to the road/track (no difference) will result in a "harder" ride. The trick is to do mods which don't result in a "harsh" ride. Harder and stiffer is what helps keep your car better planted and which gives you improved driver feedback.

Look at all the handling mods I have (Quaife diff, engine mounts, coilovers, WALK, UNIbraces, ARB's, brakes) - Modding is a slippery slope!

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 03, 2012, 09:09:18 AM
Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated. So is the SuperPro console bushes just another make doing the same thing? If so then I will go for that.

In terms of the ride, what I really meant was I didn't want the effect of hard springs/coilovers, solid engine mounts etc and so this seemed to be a good solution where day to day you don't notice but works well on track/swift driving? I had the issues it is meant to help with on track a lot, so was hoping it would be a decent mod to help improve that side without spending a fortune :)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: biffobear on November 03, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
anyone have a link for prices for superpro?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: rich83 on November 03, 2012, 12:50:21 PM
Well... if its 100 quid for the bushes... lets say 1/2 - 1 hour labour to fit them into the bushes... you might as well just buy the WALK.

Theres something about that offset superpro bush that i dont like. I would go WALK every time...  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 03, 2012, 02:27:09 PM
anyone have a link for prices for superpro?

£150 + a few quid p+p  :happy2:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 03, 2012, 05:41:37 PM
Well... if its 100 quid for the bushes... lets say 1/2 - 1 hour labour to fit them into the bushes... you might as well just buy the WALK.

Theres something about that offset superpro bush that i dont like. I would go WALK every time...  :happy2:

The main issue with the whiteline kit is the grease dries out then causes the bushes to split?  You saw Jake's cracked whiteline console case?   :drinking:

Whiteline kit is around 180 and the Superpro is 150 and far superior quality.  I changed from the whiteline to the Superpro as I was so impressed with the build and materials used.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: driver rider on November 03, 2012, 08:20:51 PM
Well... if its 100 quid for the bushes... lets say 1/2 - 1 hour labour to fit them into the bushes... you might as well just buy the WALK.

Theres something about that offset superpro bush that i dont like. I would go WALK every time...  :happy2:

The main issue with the whiteline kit is the grease dries out then causes the bushes to split?  You saw Jake's cracked whiteline console case?   :drinking:

Whiteline kit is around 180 and the Superpro is 150 and far superior quality.  I changed from the whiteline to the Superpro as I was so impressed with the build and materials used.

May I ask what impressed you about the supepro bushes as you have experience of both kits.  Is the quality of superpro superior to that whittline?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 03, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
As soon as you put the two versions together you can see the quality of the Superpro.  Bush is fully bonded to the console with a metal covered insert.  I will try and find some pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/fordkaracing/Octavia%20vRS/_MG_3144.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 03, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
Does anyone have the part number for the kit please? I can only find bushes on the Superpro website, not the ALK & bush pack. Thanks
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 03, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
Does anyone have the part number for the kit please? I can only find bushes on the Superpro website, not the ALK & bush pack. Thanks

I have the kits in stock.  Part number is ALOY3273-80K
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 03, 2012, 09:26:34 PM
How much? I looked on your site earlier but couldn't get the shop pages to open, it only showed new arrivals  :scared:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 03, 2012, 10:40:05 PM
How much? I looked on your site earlier but couldn't get the shop pages to open, it only showed new arrivals  :scared:

Need to get on with updating the site.  Price retails at 166.80 plus postage.  Forum members can get them for 150 plus postage.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: driver rider on November 03, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
As soon as you put the two versions together you can see the quality of the Superpro.  Bush is fully bonded to the console with a metal covered insert.  I will try and find some pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/fordkaracing/Octavia%20vRS/_MG_3144.jpg)

Thanks alex.  Does it come as a complete kit, is their maintenance for this part?  Whats your website?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 06, 2012, 03:59:03 PM
I would like to take one off your hands please  :happy2:

How much? I looked on your site earlier but couldn't get the shop pages to open, it only showed new arrivals  :scared:

Need to get on with updating the site.  Price retails at 166.80 plus postage.  Forum members can get them for 150 plus postage.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 06, 2012, 08:07:49 PM
As soon as you put the two versions together you can see the quality of the Superpro.  Bush is fully bonded to the console with a metal covered insert.  I will try and find some pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/fordkaracing/Octavia%20vRS/_MG_3144.jpg)

Thanks alex.  Does it come as a complete kit, is their maintenance for this part?  Whats your website?

Yeah they come as a kit.  You get the consoles and the bushes moulded into them.  Just use the pack of grease that comes with them and this keeps all the crap out.  They come with a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty too.  My website is www.akstuning.co.uk or check out my facebook for day to day activity.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: ArildStavrum on November 07, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
I would like to take one off your hands please  :happy2:

I'd like a set of the superpro kits too please Alex..... pm'd
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 07, 2012, 02:24:54 PM
Ordered the kit from Alex  :drinking:


Alex, could you confirm which bushes you would recommend have changed at the same time? As mentioned on the phone, I wouldn't want to go to poly but wanted to order replacement VW OEM ones to freshen it up. It is a bit hard to find part numbers without really knowing the ones to change in the first place  :confused:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 07, 2012, 06:32:39 PM
So has anyone who has fitted a WALK recently had issues with the bushes?

I'm looking to buy a anti lift kit of some sort soon but am a little sceptical of the Superpro offset bush and concerned over the longevity of the new compound polybush in the Whiteline kit!!  :confused:

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 07, 2012, 07:45:47 PM
So has anyone who has fitted a WALK recently had issues with the bushes?

I'm looking to buy a anti lift kit of some sort soon but am a little sceptical of the Superpro offset bush and concerned over the longevity of the new compound polybush in the Whiteline kit!!  :confused:



Does this help with your decision:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/fordkaracing/20121106_132001.jpg)

Removed from a Golf GTi this week.  Low miles going from the condition of the metal consoles.  Grease hadn't even fully dried out either.  Replaced with the SuperPro ALK.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 07, 2012, 07:52:16 PM
Erm, yeah! Thats pretty poor really!

Wonder why the Superpro kit uses offset bushes - or does the Whiteline use and offset metal console and a centred bush?

Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 07, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
Erm, yeah! Thats pretty poor really!

Wonder why the Superpro kit uses offset bushes - or does the Whiteline use and offset metal console and a centred bush?



Basically yes.  The Whiteline console is formed in a way that means it gets the extra caster by pushing the subframe forward.  As in the only way to fit their consoles it to loosen all the subframe bolts and shift it forward.

The Superpro uses the slightly offset bush to gain the anti lift and increase in caster.  Where the Whiteline uses a pressed in bush and poly to poly contact, the Superpro is bonded directly to the console and uses a metal sleeve to contact to the poly.  No friction issues there.  I cant find a pic of their setup, but will post one up here when I can.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 07, 2012, 08:42:21 PM

The whiteline method played part in my clearance / contact problem by putting the wheel too far forward in the arch  :fighting:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 07, 2012, 08:46:44 PM

My whiteline bushes  :sad1:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/16334b65.jpg)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/e1b84c07.jpg)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/8a28f6f5.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: MAT ED30 on November 07, 2012, 11:26:59 PM
My first set did the same thing but have been fine for atleast 40k
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 07, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
.
My Whiteline WALK has been fine for ~50k miles and was recently checked and found to be fine.

If buying again though, I would buy the SuperPro version.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 08, 2012, 12:03:37 AM
my WALK is fine after 8000 miles but my whiteline bump steer kit rubber seals are split already after less than £1500 miles. the rose joints seem ok for now but obviously wont last long once the dirts/water starts to get in. not a good design - they should be fully sealed items.

i wouldnt waste money on the BS kit or recommend it to people. i will be refitting OEM track rod ends when i can be arsed to get a realignment (last done about £1500 miles ago :confused:)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 08, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
may interest some of you

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperPro-Supaloy-Alloy-Lower-Control-Arms-Anti-lift-Kit-VW-Golf-MK5-MK6-GTI-R32-/130798917809?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e743918b1
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 08, 2012, 08:53:34 AM

may interest some of you

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperPro-Supaloy-Alloy-Lower-Control-Arms-Anti-lift-Kit-VW-Golf-MK5-MK6-GTI-R32-/130798917809?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e743918b1


....Alex at AKS can supply those - Probably cheaper (or same price) and without all the hassle of shipping from the other side of the world and wretched UK import 'duties'.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 08, 2012, 09:47:05 AM

may interest some of you

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperPro-Supaloy-Alloy-Lower-Control-Arms-Anti-lift-Kit-VW-Golf-MK5-MK6-GTI-R32-/130798917809?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e743918b1


....Alex at AKS can supply those - Probably cheaper (or same price) and without all the hassle of shipping from the other side of the world and wretched UK import 'duties'.

 :love:
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 08, 2012, 05:53:10 PM
Erm, yeah! Thats pretty poor really!

Wonder why the Superpro kit uses offset bushes - or does the Whiteline use and offset metal console and a centred bush?



Basically yes.  The Whiteline console is formed in a way that means it gets the extra caster by pushing the subframe forward.  As in the only way to fit their consoles it to loosen all the subframe bolts and shift it forward.

The Superpro uses the slightly offset bush to gain the anti lift and increase in caster.  Where the Whiteline uses a pressed in bush and poly to poly contact, the Superpro is bonded directly to the console and uses a metal sleeve to contact to the poly.  No friction issues there.  I cant find a pic of their setup, but will post one up here when I can.

That explains it nicely, cheers Alex!  :happy2:


The whiteline method played part in my clearance / contact problem by putting the wheel too far forward in the arch  :fighting:

Hmm, thats not ideal either! Are you running pretty low Mike?

Starting to think a Whiteline kit might be worth a risk but, to be prepared to fit some standard Superpro wishbone rear bushes into the Whiteline consoles if / when the Whiteline bushes fail - would that work at all??!!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: the bruce on November 09, 2012, 11:01:04 AM
Yes, it'll work.

The WL bushes are also sold separately and fit the stock consoles.
So all the stock size bushes most likely will also fit the WL ALK console.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 09, 2012, 11:46:08 AM
.
It's probably already been posted in this thread (even by me) but I can't be arsed to trawl through 25 pages to find out:

It's a good idea, IMO and others, to replace the OEM bushes with polyurethane bushes on the other end of the wishbone when fitting Whiteline WALK. Mine are Powerflex (purple) polyurethane in this location and SuperPro elsewhere:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushWALK.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Mods/VWR_WishboneBushes.jpg)

OEM bushes deteriorate much more rapidly than aftermarket polyurethane ones and also lose elasticity.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 09, 2012, 12:35:29 PM
Got the kit this morning, thanks Alex. Off to find some bushes as well and get it booked in!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: ArildStavrum on November 09, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWERFLEX-SUSPENSION-BUSHES-FULL-KIT-GOLF-MK5-R32-GTi-/120616583251?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c154f0053#ht_5059wt_790

is this kit what you mean RR?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 09, 2012, 01:26:08 PM
Yes, it'll work.

The WL bushes are also sold separately and fit the stock consoles.
So all the stock size bushes most likely will also fit the WL ALK console.

Excellent, thanks Bruce. That looks like the way i'll go then - if the Whiteline bushes do fail, in with the standard Superpro bushes in the Whiteline ALK consoles.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 09, 2012, 01:28:29 PM
Yes, it'll work.

The WL bushes are also sold separately and fit the stock consoles.
So all the stock size bushes most likely will also fit the WL ALK console.

Excellent, thanks Bruce. That looks like the way i'll go then - if the Whiteline bushes do fail, in with the standard Superpro bushes in the Whiteline ALK consoles.

So you already have the Whiteline kit?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 09, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
So you already have the Whiteline kit?

Not yet Alex but it looks like a must have handling mod!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: vRSAlex on November 09, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
So you already have the Whiteline kit?

Not yet Alex but it looks like a must have handling mod!

Not worth going straight for the SuperPro ALK then?

Pic of the bush showing the offset and the insert quality:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/fordkaracing/20121109_204254.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 10, 2012, 06:39:56 AM
I had the Whiteline ALK on mine with no issues, however i only had it for 20k before selling the car.

given the amount of cars ive now seen that have eaten through the whiteline bushes I wouldnt go that route again.  Superpro seem the way to go IMO
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: foggy3061 on November 10, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
Not worth going straight for the SuperPro ALK then?

It would probably make sense but i'm not convinced by offset bushes, though I know Superpro are considered the best in terms of polybush quality!
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 10, 2012, 10:26:48 AM
I was going to change the other two bushes at the same time and think the part number is 1K0 407 182, can anyone confirm this please?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 10, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
do whiteline not sell apre parts? can the hex spigot bush not just be replaced when it wears out?

i would replace the rubber boot on my bump steer kit but it will no doubt happen again anyway as its not a good design so wont bother.

if the WALK goes tits up i would try and source replacement parts to fix it first
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 11, 2012, 05:22:19 PM

£68 I think it was for replacement bushes on the WALK
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: mkviken on November 11, 2012, 06:36:04 PM
That's not too bad really.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 12, 2012, 05:28:22 PM
I was going to change the other two bushes at the same time and think the part number is 1K0 407 182, can anyone confirm this please?

Just incase it helps, these were the right ones if anyone changes them for oem ones when doing walk or superpro. They were £27 for the pair at dealer.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 20, 2012, 09:02:14 AM
Had the Superpro kit fitted yesterday - what a difference  :jumping: Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2012, 09:06:35 AM

I was going to change the other two bushes at the same time and think the part number is 1K0 407 182, can anyone confirm this please?


Just incase it helps, these were the right ones if anyone changes them for oem ones when doing walk or superpro. They were £27 for the pair at dealer.


....Why not change the OEM rear wishbone bushes for polyurethane ones instead of just new OEM ones? Polyurethane will be much more durable and elastic memory retentive.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Duke on November 20, 2012, 09:09:05 AM
I thought it would be too bumpy/more cabin & dash shake so thought a refresh would be fine.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2012, 09:22:27 AM

I thought it would be too bumpy/more cabin & dash shake so thought a refresh would be fine.


....No, just 2 poly wishbone arm bushes are not going to have such an effect but will better balance and better spread the stresses when a WALK or SALK is fitted.

It's front engine mounts which can add very minor vibrations. Bumpy or bouncy suspension is due to an amateur or incorrect setup, often when people slam it down too low just for looks. I have full poly bushes, WALK, engine mounts and get no "shake". It's nice and firm and responsive but never harsh. One of my best mates is an ex-biker and has lots of metal bits etc in his legs and so is prone to feel any discomfort - He frequently rides passenger in my car and enjoys a spirited drive on A and B-road rollercoasters without discomfort.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: ianv5 on December 15, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
Has anybody just fitted these as an alternative to the WALK KIT/Superpro WALK KIT

http://www.superpro.eu.com/Content/Images/Product/SPF3273K.jpg

They just replace the original bushes in the OE mounts.

How do you make sure they are orientated correctly as they are concentric?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Nodz on December 15, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Has anybody just fitted these as an alternative to the WALK KIT?

http://www.superpro.eu.com/Content/Images/Product/SPF3273K.jpg

iirc these are the ones Alex stocks and super pro also do them in there own consoles like the WALK kit. There's a few people on here who have them from the group buy earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: ianv5 on December 15, 2012, 10:10:27 AM
Has anybody just fitted these as an alternative to the WALK KIT?

http://www.superpro.eu.com/Content/Images/Product/SPF3273K.jpg

iirc these are the ones Alex stocks and super pro also do them in there own consoles like the WALK kit. There's a few people on here who have them from the group buy earlier in the year.

Missed out on the group buy :sad1:

Just interested as they fit in the oe carriers (can't think of a word to describe them) and are cheaper than buying the superpro walk.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: Nodz on December 15, 2012, 10:14:48 AM
Yeah I'm sure they do, of you speak with Alex he will be able to confirm.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: ianv5 on December 15, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
PM'd Alex yesterday about the superpro walk kit before I realised you could just buy the inserts, waiting for him to get back to me.
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: dTEA on July 19, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
Resurrecting the thread...partly as I'm torn between the SuperPro ALK as a stand alone, and also then thinking that having the rear wishbone bush changed to poly at the same time is the future proofing? I'm assuming this is what people are still thinking to the be the most durable and consistent set up?
Title: Re: Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Post by: flashp on August 14, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
I don't believe that the rear bushes are anywhere near as mobile as the fronts. A decent ARB set (if you don't have them already) will probably give you more of a improvement.