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IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
....
IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly. :smiley:
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more. :P
Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.
TT's quote
Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area. Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling. However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes. Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car. If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.
Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists. You need someone who knows what works best on the road.
Oh and by the way he is fine last i heard he emailed me last week and was just having a break from hitting you on the head with a squeeky toy hammer. :laugh:
right then guys how are getting on with this kit as i have just put some on order :wink: so if you get chance could you do us little report :happy2:
i all wanted to know was things like any negative affects at all :smiley:
i all wanted to know was things like any negative affects at all :smiley:
:laugh: Yes your face gets squashed against the window on left hand bends. :evilgrin:
any negative affects at all :smiley:
any negative affects at all :smiley:
they look fab, but you can never see them ! hows that for a negative?
I'm tempted to fit perspex footwell covers ............... :jumping:
The Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit gets my seal of approval :happy2:
Just driven back from Awesome and stretched its legs over the Snake pass (which I know very well :driver:)
The W.A.L.K does make the steering slightly heavier, but it also makes it more solid around the straight on. Turn in grip has improved and the turn in is more precise as a result. On a couple of corners I know where I can get understeer, the car now turned in solidly and actually took me by surprise to the extent where I had to re-adjust the line slightly. Grip from a standstill in the wet is much better and it squashes the wheel hop even more than before, so launches are cleaner and quicker (and therefore safer!)
Overall an excellent little mod - roll on the Quaife :innocent:
I pick mine up this week :driver:
I pick mine up this week :driver:
too late Matt , this mod is sooo last year :signLOL:
nice one Matt,but they aint gonna 'anti lift' on your table now are they :xmaslaugh::P they will be on soon :P
Mine's being fitted on Friday as well :happy2:
Mine's being fitted on Friday as well :happy2:
Busy day eh mate? :wink:
....
WoooohooooHooooo!! - I just back from all day and part of the evening! at VWR. Drove their demo car rather a lot (the one SteveP hates!).
Lots of pics and info to report re WALK and my new suspension and what VWR discovered had failed with my KoniFSD's. Those guys really are The Best!! They don't just fit mods to your car, they virtually rebuild it!
Anyway, more tomorrow :happy2:
Had the valves siezed?
Come on RR - hurry the hell up!!
This sounds like a very serious testing session you have been doing this morning Red leader. One hopes you wore the correct helmet and informed the emergency services of your route. :signLOL:
car is looking good Red, i cant believe how low it is. :chicken:
Me thinks your osir splitter will be leaving you for a curbside ditch in the near future. :drinking:
Are you going to do your usual write up. :party:
crikey Red Im :jumping: in anticipation here :grin:
^^^^
I am well into it..........Just finished the Sourcing part with pics. Just taken a quick refresher to check out this thread as it's slightly related.
Back to it now.....................
Steve did you go the whole hog and renewed your bushes with poly ones together with the WALK install?
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future :happy2:
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future :happy2:
....Now I wonder.....................................Improvements to be carried out somewhere in the MK area perhaps?
Nope kept the standard bushes at this stage, but there more some more suspension improvements planned for the near(ish) future :happy2:
....Now I wonder.....................................Improvements to be carried out somewhere in the MK area perhaps?
They are certainly on the list to consider thats for sure :happy2:
....Well, you already know what I think - For me it's a no-brainer, I don't have to think twice about it.
But I guess that what suspension you would go for may have an influence.....Err.....If it's anything KW, no it wouldn't!
What did you think of the VWR/RL demo GTI's suspension when you drove it?
just put my walk kit on :happy2:
just put my walk kit on :happy2:
You had a blast yet Mat?
Mine should be going on Thursday :jumpmove:
just put my walk kit on :happy2:did you do it yourself MAT
just put my walk kit on :happy2:did you do it yourself MAT
arr right, tryin to pick one up 2mora maybe for awesome, going to have a go on sat, also do the ECS aswell (thats the easy bit)just put my walk kit on :happy2:did you do it yourself MAT
na i had mate of mine who is a honda master tech do it all for us :smiley:
i dont know if awesome keep stock of them so ring first :happy2:did today, last one in got my name on it, :happy2:
..waitin for inserts to come this week sometime, they asked if i wanted black or red, gone for red
billy
Robin - think he was talking about the ECS dogbone insert..:happy2:
cool good to hear Matt , give us the full writeup after a few miles please.
Anyone not got a WALKit yet :grin:
Robin - think he was talking about the ECS dogbone insert..:happy2:
billy
^^^^
Ah, yes - Thanks Chris :drinking:
cool good to hear Matt , give us the full writeup after a few miles please.
Anyone not got a WALKit yet :grin:
^^^^
If I've understood correctly (and I may not have done!), I had compensating bushes (purple) fitted with my WALK's. As recommended by VWR.
No-one else on this forum has bothered to do this AFAIK.
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HTH
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html
A poxy £21 chuffing quid - I wish I'd have thought at the time and had the sense to do it, even if the OEM one turns out to be ok. GRRR.
I'm tempted to do it whilst the brakes are being fitted. ARBs are already poly'd... not sure if the rear needs it???
I need a play in VWR's car!
^ £40ish more expensive at Awesome than at Balance Motorsport!
I was almost tempted to hit the "report to moderator" link to have the Awesome price removed from the thread, it offended my eyes so much.
Awesome tax...
Would that be the kit they have fitted to their grey car?yup and it (the car) is up for sale.
Exchange rate balls up?? You'll still get a discount at Balance though via uk-mkvs.http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=157
Exchange rate balls up?? You'll still get a discount at Balance though via uk-mkvs.http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788&xSec=157
Negotiated a good price on these , so we can price match
Sarah
Nice one Mat :happy2: will get mine checked. :scared:
Hi
There has been a delay in these
But they are coming through now and we have 9 in stock
Hope that helps?
Sarah
That is 9 sets :laugh: you guys!!!!Hi
There has been a delay in these
But they are coming through now and we have 9 in stock
Hope that helps?
Sarah
Who gets the odd one. :chicken: :signLOL:
added another update , WALKit and bushes etc all confirmed OK :happy2:
you being sarcastic ? :sad1:
I just had my WALK fitted, and I am mega impressed. I even had the back end getting skittish when we test drove it, gonna get a bit more rear negative camber to rein it in a little.
over all though, i am mega impressed with it, and they compilemt the rest of my suspension mods very well. bring on the top mounts and diff is what i say!
Great minds think alike!! :wink:
How rude. :wink:
Went the ring yesterday and for the first few laps the car was much improved from monday when i went, especially on the limit when being pushed. It then went to rat sh*t after that cos my tyures completely started to let go(toyo T1R possibly the worst tyre ive ever ran), and my brakes were useless towards the end of the day.
This looks like an interesting mod - Does it help reduce the torque steer, that comes with a modded ED30, mine does have a hefty pull to the right in the lower gears???
Cheers
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.
so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3. dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though
Plenty of cupras have the WALK fitted!
Ahhhhh....
People have upgraded the front wishbone bush to poly, dunno about S3.
Ahhhhh....
People have upgraded the front wishbone bush to poly, dunno about S3.
both me and robin have had this done now as I fooked a set of bushes up somehow so while they were being done at Vwr it was rude not to have other bushes done
I replaced mine with the Powerflex ones, you want these... (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Inner+Bush+%28Front%29/502.html)
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front :happy2:
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front :happy2:
You need bushes 1 and 2 is what the walk kit replaces
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If it's any help to those wanting the WALK after reading this review, I know that there's currently a 20% discount offer from Balance Motorsport.
Linky : - WALK 20% Special Offer.... (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108566)
:happy2:
and in this case Awesome are competitive even before you ask for discount :wink: £135 too
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11788
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this excellent write up. I also have this mod and agree with all of the above, For me though the steering feels a bit heavier, But only adds to the feel giving me more confidence. :drinking:
....
IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly. :smiley:
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more. :P
Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.
TT's quote
Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area. Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling. However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes. Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car. If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.
Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists. You need someone who knows what works best on the road.
....And I will refer to what I have already written and add that the bottom line is what each individual wants from their GTI/Ed30. Having driven two GTI's with polybushes throughout I personally didn't find it to be the problem I expected. But ETTO.
Actually, thinking about this a bit more, if you are fitting mods such as WALK's and coilovers etc, you are already entering the twilight world of the overlap between road and track. So I don't agree with what TT has said about VWR's 'limited' knowledge of fast road needs.
Found a little video of the walk kit in action, fitted to a new polo gti though :smiley:
This looks like an interesting mod - Does it help reduce the torque steer, that comes with a modded ED30, mine does have a hefty pull to the right in the lower gears???
Cheers
....According to john_o in his original post: Yes.
However I would say that it reduces rather than eliminates understeer - Which is what I think he's reporting as well. If you really want to grasp the bull by its horns, then a Quaife ATB diff would be the most effective solution but it costs many times more money.
The new Golf R you have on order will, as you know, have VW's electronic diff. It feels much more remote and less satisfying to drive when pressing on but it is a great improvement.
^^^ These - http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/2435/front-wishbone-inner-bush-front :happy2:
hmm are you sure.. i think its the bushes closer to the rear which we need (number 2)
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Good to know. Mine will be on soon.
Just bought it from Balance Motorsport £158 inc VAT so not too bad
Okay I'm getting them fitted next Monday. The guy said he will throw in alignment as well - but he also said it shouldn't need doing, but he will check anyway. - Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Personally I wouldn't have a clue! lol
Had it fitted today £69.00 Inc VAT
Haven't really had a chance to see how she handles today - although there was a marked difference on the steering wheel weight when parking up slowly (it was heavier) - However the steering felt similar to before the fitting (kinda light at 'normal' speed) and the feeling of under-steer as ever present :( Anyway those are very early days feelings... I'm going to give it a full work out tomorrow and will post 'result' tomorrow!
Had it fitted today £69.00 Inc VAT
Haven't really had a chance to see how she handles today - although there was a marked difference on the steering wheel weight when parking up slowly (it was heavier) - However the steering felt similar to before the fitting (kinda light at 'normal' speed) and the feeling of under-steer as ever present :( Anyway those are very early days feelings... I'm going to give it a full work out tomorrow and will post 'result' tomorrow!
... + Bush Kit – Trailing arm - rear & Bush kit - control arm front...
Thinking on getting this kit and I want to fit it myself. Has anyone took any pics of it being fitted to their car? Just so I can get a better idea of what it's like?
Cheers :congrats:Yeap... my sub frame was removed to fit the ARBs at the same time.
Cant it be done in situ?
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.
so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3.
dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though
the WALK should fit all Mk5 platforms excluding the 4wd ones as far as im aware.
so that includes mk5 golf, mk2 leon, mk2 octavia, mk 2 TT and the new A3.
dont know if it will fit the R32 or the S3 though
As S3 bushes fit the Golf > WALK should fit the S3 and R32.
No, the aluminium bracket of all TT 8J have a different shape, no matter if 2WD or 4WD.
(as everybody knows, who have fitted the TT arms)
The only ''offset bushes'' that fit the TT are the ones from SuperPro. Laurent has them on his A3.
:drinking:
Probably a dum question this - but is there any down side to fitting a WALK onto a Mk5 GTI?
I only ask as I'm fancying my car to have a bit better traction, it's just used on the road, with no plans to 'track it'.
But my Stg 1 Revo map, with Autotech fuel pump and Milltek DP & Dbilas induction set up are all combining to overwhelm my Ed30's front tyres all too easily even in 3rd gear.
It's running on Michelin PS3's which are clearly road tyres so no thoughts on sticking on much stickier rubber, just the review of WALK does seem good to aid traction.
However in chats with my local tuner about a change of suspension, I'm thinking Bilstein B12, I asked about fitting WALK too and his thoughts are that it too falls into the general "engine mounts = harsh as hell" category. Which I really don't want. I really respect his view but wondered on other peoples thoughts.
I ran a Vibratechnics front mount years back on my old Mk2 GTi and never felt it 'harsh' but then a Mk2 on 195/50/15 is somewhat more 'comfy' than a Mk5 on 18" 40 section tyres. So I'm erring away from engine mounts per se, but would like to know if WALK does transfer vibes into the car and make it harder/more choppy for road use.
I appreciate it's a tricky thing to judge, but if anyone has fitted WALK and then compared the drive afterwards did it make the ride harsher and less compliant.
I'm probably at the opposite end to RR in terms of wanting to hear and feel the engine working and the transmission doing it stuff. Really want to minimise harsh vibes through the car. So would just like people's views.
Anyone fitted the WALK without wheel alignment?
I know they do not. :wink:
The only similar thing is the offset bush from SuperPro which Laurent has had.
Sub39h, I thought I recognised your car when you pulled into the car park yesterday, have to say it looked pretty sweet. I was there having the tracking sorted on the R, which turned out to be an offset steering wheel :stupid:
Luke
Probably a dum question this - but is there any down side to fitting a WALK onto a Mk5 GTI?
However in chats with my local tuner about a change of suspension, I'm thinking Bilstein B12, I asked about fitting WALK too and his thoughts are that it too falls into the general "engine mounts = harsh as hell" category. Which I really don't want. I really respect his view but wondered on other peoples thoughts.With respect, I suggest your 'tuner' either has little experience with the Mk5 platform, or plainly hasn't got a clue about the WALK. :surprised:
I ran a Vibratechnics front mount years back on my old Mk2 GTi and never felt it 'harsh' but then a Mk2 on 195/50/15 is somewhat more 'comfy' than a Mk5 on 18" 40 section tyres. So I'm erring away from engine mounts per se, but would like to know if WALK does transfer vibes into the car and make it harder/more choppy for road use.ALL areas of the Mk5 have come on in leaps and bounds compared to the Mk2 - not just engines or electronics, but also chassis dynamics and 'noise vibration and harshness'. :drinking:
I appreciate it's a tricky thing to judge, but if anyone has fitted WALK and then compared the drive afterwards did it make the ride harsher and less compliant.When I fitted my WALK - thats all I did, so I could try the 'before and after' drive soley on the WALK. It makes ZERO effect on the harshness or compliance of the ride. :innocent:
I'm probably at the opposite end to RR in terms of wanting to hear and feel the engine working and the transmission doing it stuff. Really want to minimise harsh vibes through the car. So would just like people's views.Get it fitted man, you'll wonder what all the fuss you are fretting over was about . . . honestly - you wont regret it. :happy2:
Anyone fitted the WALK without wheel alignment?Yup. Initially, I just fitted the WALK by itself (I also had new ARBs - but at the time couldn't be ar$ed to drop the subframe). If you are very careful, you can get the WALK housings to line up exactly where the original ones were.
When fitting the WALK sometimes it is hard to remove the old part so sometimes the tech may need to be a little rigerous with it hence you need the alignment sorted, mine wasnt too hard after but noticably better after alignmentRubbish!
had my WALK fitted along with an Autotech rear ARB today. had a 4 wheel alignment done at the same timeNEVER let main dealers loose on alignment - they just do NOT have the expertise (just like they are fcukign useless with air con). You really need to get alignment done at a specialist.
now the car is pulling to the left? i had them fitted by Midland VW, so a tried, tested and trusted set of blokes. they had it on the tracker 3 or 4 times and couldn't get it to steer straight. is this normal? Jody (gaffer at Midland VW) seems to think once the bushes have softened a bit it'll sort itself, but i bought the kit 2nd hand with 3k miles on it :confused:
TT, my question was almost one year old. :laugh:Hmmm . . . I can't lay my hands on my alignment printouts following fitting the ARBs, but I don't recall any noticable difference in toe. IIRC, the biggest issue was with one of the rear end settings (really can't remember which :ashamed:)
When fitting the walk you get some toe out even if put to exactly same position.
The ball joints and hubs move forward and so the steering rids get ''too short'.
So a realignment will be absolutely neccessary.
20 - 40 minutes, that's lots !! :wink:Roughly half a degree! Not that much really. :surprised:
had my WALK fitted along with an Autotech rear ARB today. had a 4 wheel alignment done at the same timeNEVER let main dealers loose on alignment - they just do NOT have the expertise (just like they are fcukign useless with air con). You really need to get alignment done at a specialist.
now the car is pulling to the left? i had them fitted by Midland VW, so a tried, tested and trusted set of blokes. they had it on the tracker 3 or 4 times and couldn't get it to steer straight. is this normal? Jody (gaffer at Midland VW) seems to think once the bushes have softened a bit it'll sort itself, but i bought the kit 2nd hand with 3k miles on it :confused:
Is it still pulling?
Is it still pulling?
problem sorted - Midland VW had their tracker calibrated and the gaffer asked me back to have another look. one minor tweak later and all is well
....Can I ask what the latest thinking is on this please? I've had my Stage 1 done now, and the modding bug has bitten me! Slippery slope indeed! I'm about to buy the WALK kit, but would like to know if the bushes on the other side of the wishbone should also be upgraded. If so, to allow me to budget for this, how much would this be in terms of parts and labour?
IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
The bushes are part no W0503 and are about £40 / £45. I wouldnt have thought it would take more than 1 to 2 hrs to hack the old bushes out and re fit new ones.
Whiteline were giving them away with the walk kits that were ordered before the end of Feb to make up for the huge delays in the Walk kits from Decemeber.
I guess some people purchased a few kits as stock. I only got 5 then when I got 5 more I have to pay for them :ashamed:
Rob :happy2:
I had my WALK kit+whiteline bushes fitted a few day's ago and it's the best thing i've ever done,completley different car so much more refined and loving the extra power to the front wheel's with no wheel hop at all,engine mount insert fitted as well! :happy2:
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Ok cool thanks for help. My mate is a mechanic so he should be able to do it or if not i go midland vw for all servicing and that so they should do me a good price.
I have bought the walk kit but not fitted it yet, am I going to get rubbing issues also?
Just booked my car in for whiteline kit , 4 wheel alignment and MOT for next wednesday. Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?
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http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=41169
Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?
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They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's :happy2:
Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?
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They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's :happy2:
....But aren't these ECS bolts a different spec and much better than VW OEM's?
They look like the ones we just bought in a Group Buy here.
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My understanding is that the bolts and spacers we recently bought in the Group Buy are different from the OEM ones and are high tensile non-stretch.
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My understanding is that the bolts and spacers we recently bought in the Group Buy are different from the OEM ones and are high tensile non-stretch.
They are OEM Robin and the same you would buy from VW etc. :happy2:
They are an oem upgrade. The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory. I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.
I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.
They are an oem upgrade. The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory. I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.
I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.
....I only bought them because I thought they were better than on my 05-plate 06-plate car.
Thanks, Alex :drinking:
They are an oem upgrade. The bolt is used on many vag cars from factory. I'm sure its the same bolt that's been fitted to the a4's/passats etc for years.
I will check the strength rating of the bolt compared to the one it replaces.
....I only bought them because I thought they were better than on my 05-plate 06-plate car.
Thanks, Alex :drinking:
If your subframe doesn't and had never moved then there is no point in buying them. They are a different bolt with a good sized washer on them to spread the load and give more surface to hold, but still an oem bolt but from another car.
Yes those WALK bushes were removed from my car. To be frank they hadn't had that much 'abuse' in terms of fast / hard cornering.
Perhaps the occasional contact with wheel cleaning product? Not sure.
I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline. I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.
There isn't a particular one. Just that if you have an open Style wheel, an acidic wheel cleaner may have some effect on the rubber?
I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline. I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.
....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.
I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline. I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.
....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.
Response just in from SuperPro:
'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.
This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.
The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'
:P :love:
I was unaware that SuperPro made the bushes for Whiteline. I will enquire with SuperPro to see what they say.
....I was told this by JKM who usually get their facts right. Note that they said that this was only in the early days of WALK.
Response just in from SuperPro:
'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.
This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.
The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'
:P :love:
alex, how much are the superpro bush inserts for the walk kit.... not that i need them replacing yet after you supplied with with nice newish unsplit ones :happy2: but just for future reference?
acid wheel cleaners are nasty stuff. they will ruin any nice looking brake / suspension metal very quickly.
For regular use i use and recommend autoglym custom wheels (or simply acid free wheel cleaner in its trade form)
Response just in from SuperPro:
'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.
This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.
The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'
:P :love:
Response just in from SuperPro:
'Whiteline bushes were made by SuperPro up to 5-6 years ago.
This included the Subaru anti lift kit which had a SuperPro bush fitted to a new bracket – although we offer the same result on this car with a bush which fits the original Subaru mount & avoids the sub-frame fouling issues.
The VW Anti lift kit was done after they switched supply to North Korea & did not use SuperPro bushes or material.'
:P :love:
....Well, I wasn't too far out: There has been SuperPro history. :happy2:
Thanks for the more accurate info, Alex. You wouldn't have learnt this if I hadn't posted what I had heard :P :happy2:
Is it worth me replacing the subframe bolts with these?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awesome-gti.co.uk%2Fshopimages%2Fproducts%2Fnormal%2Fspacerbolts.jpg&hash=9e77eb45077656008393e05803d1809101a18bcd)
They are cheaper from VW mate by about £5. See Mandy's thread for part no's :happy2:
....But aren't these ECS bolts a different spec and much better than VW OEM's?
They look like the ones we just bought in a Group Buy here.
I may have missed a thread or two Robin but I was under the impression that the two were the same thing (with a difference in price)?? I'm sure Mandy and a few others just bought the OEM ones which cured the subframe movement & noise.
Just had a look at the group buy, they are purchased from TPS which I believe means they are OEM parts (TPS only seem to sell genuine parts). I may be wrong though :grin:
Am thinking of getting the WALK as I use mine on track a couple of times a year and have noticed lift and spinning up of the inside wheel accelerating out of a corner.
Does anyone have the part number of the bolts to change as well please? Is it worth changing them anyway? I was also thinking of changing the other mount parts (part number?) that have been mentioned, but just replacing it for a new set of OEM ones, as I don't want to make the ride harder.
I would go with the SuperPro console bushes that fit into the oem consoles if I had to do it again.
Am thinking of getting the WALK as I use mine on track a couple of times a year and have noticed lift and spinning up of the inside wheel accelerating out of a corner.
Does anyone have the part number of the bolts to change as well please? Is it worth changing them anyway? I was also thinking of changing the other mount parts (part number?) that have been mentioned, but just replacing it for a new set of OEM ones, as I don't want to make the ride harder.
anyone have a link for prices for superpro?
Well... if its 100 quid for the bushes... lets say 1/2 - 1 hour labour to fit them into the bushes... you might as well just buy the WALK.
Theres something about that offset superpro bush that i dont like. I would go WALK every time... :happy2:
Well... if its 100 quid for the bushes... lets say 1/2 - 1 hour labour to fit them into the bushes... you might as well just buy the WALK.
Theres something about that offset superpro bush that i dont like. I would go WALK every time... :happy2:
The main issue with the whiteline kit is the grease dries out then causes the bushes to split? You saw Jake's cracked whiteline console case? :drinking:
Whiteline kit is around 180 and the Superpro is 150 and far superior quality. I changed from the whiteline to the Superpro as I was so impressed with the build and materials used.
Does anyone have the part number for the kit please? I can only find bushes on the Superpro website, not the ALK & bush pack. Thanks
How much? I looked on your site earlier but couldn't get the shop pages to open, it only showed new arrivals :scared:
As soon as you put the two versions together you can see the quality of the Superpro. Bush is fully bonded to the console with a metal covered insert. I will try and find some pics.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ffordkaracing%2FOctavia_vRS%2F_MG_3144.jpg&hash=19970270d7aeae3f341f5cb5798dfc86e2bd8189)
How much? I looked on your site earlier but couldn't get the shop pages to open, it only showed new arrivals :scared:
Need to get on with updating the site. Price retails at 166.80 plus postage. Forum members can get them for 150 plus postage.
As soon as you put the two versions together you can see the quality of the Superpro. Bush is fully bonded to the console with a metal covered insert. I will try and find some pics.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ffordkaracing%2FOctavia_vRS%2F_MG_3144.jpg&hash=19970270d7aeae3f341f5cb5798dfc86e2bd8189)
Thanks alex. Does it come as a complete kit, is their maintenance for this part? Whats your website?
I would like to take one off your hands please :happy2:
So has anyone who has fitted a WALK recently had issues with the bushes?
I'm looking to buy a anti lift kit of some sort soon but am a little sceptical of the Superpro offset bush and concerned over the longevity of the new compound polybush in the Whiteline kit!! :confused:
Erm, yeah! Thats pretty poor really!
Wonder why the Superpro kit uses offset bushes - or does the Whiteline use and offset metal console and a centred bush?
may interest some of you
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperPro-Supaloy-Alloy-Lower-Control-Arms-Anti-lift-Kit-VW-Golf-MK5-MK6-GTI-R32-/130798917809?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e743918b1
may interest some of you
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperPro-Supaloy-Alloy-Lower-Control-Arms-Anti-lift-Kit-VW-Golf-MK5-MK6-GTI-R32-/130798917809?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e743918b1
....Alex at AKS can supply those - Probably cheaper (or same price) and without all the hassle of shipping from the other side of the world and wretched UK import 'duties'.
Erm, yeah! Thats pretty poor really!
Wonder why the Superpro kit uses offset bushes - or does the Whiteline use and offset metal console and a centred bush?
Basically yes. The Whiteline console is formed in a way that means it gets the extra caster by pushing the subframe forward. As in the only way to fit their consoles it to loosen all the subframe bolts and shift it forward.
The Superpro uses the slightly offset bush to gain the anti lift and increase in caster. Where the Whiteline uses a pressed in bush and poly to poly contact, the Superpro is bonded directly to the console and uses a metal sleeve to contact to the poly. No friction issues there. I cant find a pic of their setup, but will post one up here when I can.
The whiteline method played part in my clearance / contact problem by putting the wheel too far forward in the arch :fighting:
Yes, it'll work.
The WL bushes are also sold separately and fit the stock consoles.
So all the stock size bushes most likely will also fit the WL ALK console.
Yes, it'll work.
The WL bushes are also sold separately and fit the stock consoles.
So all the stock size bushes most likely will also fit the WL ALK console.
Excellent, thanks Bruce. That looks like the way i'll go then - if the Whiteline bushes do fail, in with the standard Superpro bushes in the Whiteline ALK consoles.
So you already have the Whiteline kit?
So you already have the Whiteline kit?
Not yet Alex but it looks like a must have handling mod!
Not worth going straight for the SuperPro ALK then?
I was going to change the other two bushes at the same time and think the part number is 1K0 407 182, can anyone confirm this please?
I was going to change the other two bushes at the same time and think the part number is 1K0 407 182, can anyone confirm this please?
Just incase it helps, these were the right ones if anyone changes them for oem ones when doing walk or superpro. They were £27 for the pair at dealer.
I thought it would be too bumpy/more cabin & dash shake so thought a refresh would be fine.
Has anybody just fitted these as an alternative to the WALK KIT?
http://www.superpro.eu.com/Content/Images/Product/SPF3273K.jpg
Has anybody just fitted these as an alternative to the WALK KIT?
http://www.superpro.eu.com/Content/Images/Product/SPF3273K.jpg
iirc these are the ones Alex stocks and super pro also do them in there own consoles like the WALK kit. There's a few people on here who have them from the group buy earlier in the year.
I don't believe that the rear bushes are anywhere near as mobile as the fronts. A decent ARB set (if you don't have them already) will probably give you more of a improvement.
I don't believe that the rear bushes are anywhere near as mobile as the fronts. A decent ARB set (if you don't have them already) will probably give you more of a improvement.
I've just replaced the OEM bushes with new ones on the rear. Polybushing the front is far more beneficial in my opinion. At least fitting an anti-lift kit is a must. I went for the SuperPro with the Supaloy bracket.