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Title: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on July 23, 2014, 09:43:50 am
So last night I was fitting my shiny new VW Racing intake to my girl and it wall all going smoothly until...

This...

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Last part of the install was to put the filter in place and tighten the hose clips. As I was moving it around to seat it nicely in its support bracket the darn coolant connection snapped off pissing coolant everywhere!

It all gets a bit tight under the filter housing and it looks like it sits hard against these parts putting a little stress on them - if only I knew this was gonna happen I'd have bout a replacement t piece before starting!

Main stealer can only get it tomorrow so here I am sitting waiting for a train while my girl rests patiently waiting for her operation to continue!

Can't wait thought - anybody else experience this?
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on July 25, 2014, 10:34:20 pm
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All done...

Got a little howling sound between 3500-4500rpm now. Apparently it's common and all I've got to do is change the DV to a rev 'D' version and that's corrected. Think I currently have a rev G fitted but not sure.

Will do tomorrow and report back.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: GTI-Ross on July 25, 2014, 11:06:04 pm
Its a good intake, the only problem for me was how quite is it, cant hear a thing, but some people like that....so hey ho.  :driver:
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: greygti on July 26, 2014, 11:17:37 am
Nice intake, don't fit a rev D diverter stick with the rev G
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: vRSAlex on July 26, 2014, 03:48:59 pm
I managed to break the same plastic part on a Golf a couple of months back.  Coolant straight to the eye!  In the 100's I've worked on it's the only one that has done that.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on July 30, 2014, 09:47:16 pm
After updating the diverter I still had that stupid whistle / howl...

Nothing obvious of any loose hoses so I removed the filter and ran it with just the stick, no difference except the whistle was shorter.

I decided to remove the intake and send it back.... I can't live with that whistle and everyone that looked at the car can't explain it!!

Got one of these coming: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Mk5Mk6-FSI-High-Flow-Intake-System_p_594.html

Should also add some noise being open!
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Markyed30 on July 30, 2014, 10:02:11 pm
Ur running ko3 don't they whistle when an intake is fitted LOL
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on July 30, 2014, 10:27:05 pm
Haven't heard that so not sure... Bought a K04 and S3 injectors so of that's the case then it's not for long!!!
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Vwgtiking on December 15, 2015, 10:20:22 pm
I notice your pipe to the filter isn't 100% aligned/straight. Must be a trait with these kits.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on March 15, 2017, 11:50:06 pm
@bluo (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9939) i think i might have done something similar to mine when fitting - currently have coolant leaking all over the place.

what was the part called that you ordered from the main dealer?

thanks
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on March 22, 2017, 05:59:48 pm
Bump - anyone know how to prevent this? Just had it fixed but the mechanic said it will happen again as it's putting pressure on it

Thanks
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: irish_ram on March 22, 2017, 06:14:21 pm
Was speaking to someone on the mk5 owners facebook page who has installed this and to keep them apart he strapped the pipe before the filter to the battery box but still very close getting my VWR next week so will see
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on March 22, 2017, 10:26:50 pm
@irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) let me know how you get on. Love the VWR intake it's not loud and more subtle which is what I want. Just irritating this little design flaw wasn't thought out
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on March 23, 2017, 09:26:46 am
That put me off buying one too, and the fact there is no flex coupling to allow for engine movement.   Given how thorough and OE+ Racingline products usually are, and given the massive price of it, it's very disappointing.

Can you not spin the plastic elbow round a bit to move the Teed off pipe out of the way?  Although having said that, it might cause an air lock if trapped air rises and can't escape. 
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on March 28, 2017, 10:13:42 pm
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) not much movement - I'm gonna have a go at trying to move a few bits around on the weekend and see if I have any joy.

@irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) did you get yours?
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Sam1008 on March 28, 2017, 10:44:18 pm
I've got a VWR intake in my ed30 and can't see any issues. The garage that did it for the PO dodged it a little with cable ties and moving a few of the pipes but it was nothing that a 10 min fix over the weekend couldn't sort out.

Mine also whistles when on the throttle, just assumed it was a trait of the ko4
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: irish_ram on April 03, 2017, 12:54:42 pm
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) not much movement - I'm gonna have a go at trying to move a few bits around on the weekend and see if I have any joy.

@irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) did you get yours?

So installed mine at the weekend and had tye same issue with the coolant pipi in the way. Also the grille attachment for mine was for an audi so made it more complicated.
 
Basically I remove all 4 pipes off the coolant t piece and then reposition so the nozzle was more down to the right but not by much. Fitted hoses back on and then the intake sat just above it. It is slightly touch the fat pipe coming from the radiator but not putting pressure on and intake quite solid so does not move much.

I love the sound of it, very quiet but can hear slightly when boosting it. When have more time I am going to look at trying to fully reposition the coolant t piece as ideally still do not want it sitting under the intake.

I dont get a whistling at all so must be something loose I can only think of

Will try and post pics up so you can see.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on April 03, 2017, 07:12:17 pm
That would be perfect mate - did you just loosen it up and move the pipes?
I still haven't got round to moving it - worried I'll snap it again!

I have no whistling on mine when flooring it either - sounds spot on.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: irish_ram on April 03, 2017, 08:29:52 pm
That would be perfect mate - did you just loosen it up and move the pipes?
I still haven't got round to moving it - worried I'll snap it again!

I have no whistling on mine when flooring it either - sounds spot on.

Basically I removed the clamps and twisted the pipes off, need to be careful with the thin pipe that goes down by the DV as it spits coolant out so just loosen the pip to twist rather than removing.

Here it is on mine, as you can see not ideal as pipe for the nozzle I have tucked behind another pipe. Also the nozzle is a bit bent down enough so does not touch the intake but ideally I want to try and relocate it. I have the Audi grille attachment on mine but the way I have fitted it, it is solid and does not move.


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Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Dave J on July 28, 2017, 09:49:26 pm
Sadly, I now seem to have this problem. Very frustrating as I love the VWR intake look and subtle sounds.

Seems to have been rubbing laterally, which has hit the T-piece, and it is now weeping a bit. I think there may have been vertical movement too, which isn't great as I think the intake has put stress on some of the crappy hose clips VW use, which may have eaten into the hoses below the filter housing.

So new coolant flange on order, plus hoses - car booked in with a different VW specialist to who fitted it - will be interesting to see what they make of the kit and the fitting. I love the intake, but I don't want it if it brings this hassle every 10 months...

I have some Forge coolant hoses I never fitted - I will take them too - maybe they are tougher than the OEM rubber ones, and can be cut down to give some headroom to the filter box...

Only other thing I can think of is an additional shim to lift the cradle bracket that attaches to the battery tray to lift the inlet a little more.

This also looks a bit stronger than the plastic VW bit; http://www.gruvenparts.com/vw-audi-bpy-billet-radiator-hose-4y/   

Hope it can be solved somehow, as I don't want a Revo or Maxogen filter - I wanted subtle!
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Dave J on August 06, 2017, 04:40:03 pm
So, mine is sorted. Some shims on the mounting bracket, plus a new hose & all is good.

The filter is no longer resting on coolant hoses - it is still snug, but not pressing on things. I should have checked when it was fitted, but I didn't expect to need to!
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: shoaybmakda on August 06, 2017, 11:41:10 pm
what shims did you use @Dave J (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6566) ?
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on August 07, 2017, 09:29:53 am
I'm guessing some washers under the bracket to raise it up a bit?
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Leco_GTI on August 09, 2017, 12:48:39 am
Really good video about CAI's:

Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on August 09, 2017, 11:15:10 am
Really good video about CAI's:



My thoughts entirely!
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Dan_FR on August 09, 2017, 01:37:48 pm
The problem with that video.....

Standard car!

No real talk of the effect it has on the car that is losing efficiency when running on the limit or outside of the turbo compressor map
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on August 09, 2017, 01:44:26 pm
But no one has a compressor map for the OEM turbos to be able to compare the pressure ratio vs pressure drop through the OEM airbox.

With standard sized components, the effects of a CAI will still be marginal.   When you start throwing hybrids and BTs onto the engine with 3" turbo backs, then of course the air intake requirements need to be reevaluated.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Dave J on August 09, 2017, 08:07:35 pm
I'm guessing some washers under the bracket to raise it up a bit?
Hi shoaybmakda, hi Pudding - yes, that's right - looks to be 3 or 4 washers that the garage fitted.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on August 10, 2017, 11:22:16 am
That's a good idea.  A more flexible coupling would allow the canister to kick up more and clear the hoses/N80 pipe etc.  A short, straight piece of silicon has virtually no flex.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Dave J on August 11, 2017, 10:49:16 pm
Agreed - I'm no longer worried about the vertical movement as the filter housing is no longer resting on anything. It was moved slightly to the passenger side with the front snorkel too, so it doesn't rub on the N80 pipe at all.
Have driven the car enthusiastically the past couple of days in terms of a few rips from lights, a few hard corners, hard acceleration in gear on the motorway. Tomorrow I will be looking to see how much movement there has been in the kit over the last week.

It is really only the coolant t-piece that worries me now, as there doesn't seem much of a solution to stop the filter butting up against this part. Maybe the aluminium t-piece I posted a while back would help, but it's money after money on a kit I thought was premium...
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on October 27, 2018, 11:54:49 pm
@bluo (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9939) i think i might have done something similar to mine when fitting - currently have coolant leaking all over the place.

what was the part called that you ordered from the main dealer?

thanks

Not sure what the part was called, I just removed it and took it to the dealer and got another two days later.


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Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: bluo on October 27, 2018, 11:55:11 pm
Bump - anyone know how to prevent this? Just had it fixed but the mechanic said it will happen again as it's putting pressure on it

Thanks

Remove the intake and buy a decent one!


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Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: Lewo on October 28, 2018, 02:52:10 pm
I've seen some UK made ali hose connectors on some of the Facebook groups cheaper than the one Dave J linked to.
Title: Re: VWR Intake Install - Progress slows
Post by: pudding on October 30, 2018, 04:28:01 pm
The clearance for the coolant elbow is entirely dependant on how the air guide is fitted to the slam panel.  It needs a bit of experimenting (and raising the canister height as discussed) to find the right compromise.  You shouldn't have to do that on a well designed product, but [sh]it is what it is unfortunately.