MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on July 16, 2010, 10:00:03 pm
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Post your dyno graph and mods for your Vag motor
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If you want to start a discussion please copy the dyno graph and paste it into a new thread with your discussion and or question.
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 3 Settings:b-9 f-8 t-7
Modifications K04 turbo conversion, evoms intake, miltek TBE, S3 intercooler, S3 injectors, autotech HPFP
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details ambient temp 20 degrees, car suffered wheel spin etc
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FMisc_Performance_pictures%2FTFSI-images%2FJKM%2520K04%2520Power%2FK04TWO.gif&hash=4ac0609efc8cd0c019bbba85e975844d2751c002)
summary
fuel economy improved, hesitation etc etc
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Bluefin stage 2/2+
Modifications ITG maxogen intake, autotech HPFP, Pipewerx 3" DP.
Type of Dyno/operator Dimtek Rollers/AMDessex
miscellaneous detailsFirst graph: Blue line=stage 2 bluefin(no hpfp), red line=stage 2+ bluefin(with HPFP) code red induction kit.
Second graph : bluefin stage 2+, ITG maxogen- suffered massive heat soak
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fsimonskerton%2Fcar_pics%2Fstage2andcoderedintake003.jpg&hash=8fa1edb039e43cec055545c75194c1e6ab2db455)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fsimonskerton%2Fcar_pics%2Fstage2andITGintake001.jpg&hash=ed75e165b87e248f0d12498a1a1eceb9187b174a)
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Bluefin stage 2 suffered massive loss of power at the top end as shown above. pulled well up until that point, not as smooth as the bluefin stage 1.
Bluefin stage 2+ solved the power drop at the top end, and improved performance accross the entire Rev range. Much improved over stage 2, however still on/off in its delivery.
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Stickied :happy2:
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Stickied :happy2:
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings shark performance stage 1
Modifications 100% standard excluding remap
Type of Dyno/operator Dimtek Rollers/AMDessex
miscellaneous details car suffered heat soak according to shaun @ AMD
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fstage1sharkperformace13-06-10004.jpg&hash=737321bcbe95ee7b178b37cf2f713640f84572dd)
summary
very smooth delivery, torque nice and early and feels nicely spread out. Remap settings pretty conservative as well. very happy. A good intake/panel filter should help hold torque higher for longer. (maf 204g/s peak)
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Thought I'd throw in a standard one for comparison purposes.
Car: VW Golf GTI Edition 30 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings standard
Modifications nil
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details ambient temp 18 degrees
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2Fjkm_run_1.gif&hash=315811fa2cf148a4fb84f34d76e206def8f12ff6)
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Car: VW Golf GTI Edition 30 DSG 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo Stage 1 - B7 T5 F9
Modifications Revo Stage 1
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/ Surrey rolling road
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg215.imageshack.us%2Fimg215%2F8898%2F600dpicolour001p1309005.jpg&hash=06e3fbdb0f7116e55c19fe3cfbeb709eee8e9216)
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Car: VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings MoreBHP
Modifications Stage 1
Type of Dyno/operator Motosope
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fy131%2FGulfstream11%2Fgraph.jpg&hash=f1b93da91d7387a084118d53873d7a7055b52914)
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Car:Seat Leon Cupra MK2
Tuner: APR
Stage 2+
Type of Dyno: Dastek at Motoscope
Miscellaneous details: Don't beleive the Flywheel figures, but the wheel figures should be about right.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy40%2FCupraR%2FMotoscope.jpg&hash=895d75bb79923cbe18a90978f51a8b3955a51eb2)
Another one this time at Awesome GTi in Manchester, but with SW changed to Revo stg2+
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy40%2FCupraR%2FAwesomeGTiRRRun1.jpg&hash=21d5745cb40fe59772def25b72275d2d3ed6cf94)
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just found my original Bluefin stage 1 dyno graph
Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Bluefin stae 1
Modifications pipercross panel filter
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/alan jeffreys (plymouth)
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fs.jpg&hash=0efc1b6e07bcd41d626bff75f615fb13cf425302)
Much smoother than the stage 2 and 2+ bluefin, Oem style torque curve, however considering sandard torque is 207Ibft, its not really that much of an increase
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Car: VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo Stage 1
Modifications Revo Stage 1, K&N Panel Filter
Type of Dyno/operator Marlin Motors
miscellaneous details Redline/Revo feature
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FJaywoo85%2FGolf_GTi%2FSKMBT_C25009082413320.jpg&hash=381c43c1bcbd090c3e327135f08b2e270567002c)
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Mine when a week old after just having Revo Stage 1 and Milltek TBE fitted.. Will have up to date graph as from next Sat :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2Fryan-1.jpg&hash=2ea3a3ffe479edb3c278db9faee6abfd893ad8d3)
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Car: VW Golf GTI DSG
Tuner/stage/settings Revo Stage 2 - B7 T6 F9
Modifications intake and decat DP
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Awesome
Miscellaneous details Prior to HPFP and St2+ and whoever says REVO's maps are 'peaky' talks out of their arses, all you need is a good dealer who knows how to set it up for your car...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awesome-gti.co.uk%2Frollingroad%2Fgraph%2Frr_mk4_281109%2Froberts.jpg&hash=c9b32d17226504deccf48802f599edd97bf34aef)
Video (http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/movies/rr_mk4_281109/roberts.wmv)
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I've just seen this so I thought Id post the top power 2.0 TFSI cars JKM have seen to date (Standard K03 and K04 turbo cars)
Car: Seat Leon Cupra 2.0 TFSI
Tuner/stage/settings: Revo stage 2 software Settings:B-8 T-5 F-6
Modifications: JKM K04 Stage 2 package - EVOMS Intake, Milltek Turbo Back Exahaust, Audi S3 intercooler, APR HPFP
Type of Dyno/operator: Dyno dynamics - JKM Performance
miscellaneous details: Highest power K04 turbo JKM have seen to date :smiley:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FMisc_Performance_pictures%2FTFSI-images%2F2010update%2Fnew%2520TFSI%2520Graphs%2FK04STG2.gif&hash=f30788b76d9c784b26dbe86a9053f803727f037c)
Car: Skoda Octavia VRS 2.0 TFSI
Tuner/stage/settings: Revo stage 2+ software Settings:Cant recal them sorry :sad1:
Modifications: EVOMS Intake, Milltek Turbo Back Exahaust, Forge Twintercooler, Turbo discharge pipe work, HPFP upgrade
Type of Dyno/operator: Dyno dynamics - JKM Performance
miscellaneous details: Highest power K03 turbo JKM have seen to date :smiley:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FMisc_Performance_pictures%2FTFSI-images%2F2010update%2Fnew%2520TFSI%2520Graphs%2FK03STG2.gif&hash=1b11ec4f6027d809dc0372311b6dabc8d836915f)
Hope this is of help for you guys.
Keith :happy2:
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Just for Sy :laugh:
Car: 08 S3
Tuner/stage/settings: Revo stg2+ B8 T5 F6
Modifications: Revo stg2+, APR HPFP, Milltek Res TBE, ITG intake
Dyno: Dyno Dynamics Theracingline
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fii105%2Fgazbut72%2F002-4.jpg&hash=e1cee7286c826a108ff2e76a467cd3ef4f8107d0)
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Car: 2006 VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI DSG
tuner/stage/settings: AMD Essex Stage 1
Modifications: Pipercross airfilter element, Carbonio
Type of Dyno/operator: DIMTECH DF41S/AMD Essex
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf281%2Fbobo071174%2FIMG_0001.jpg&hash=ca3390bbe87da09a473d9b3a1320029ed618dd03)
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Ok , I hope you are ready for this. It may take a few edits before I get them all on, but here goes...
Car: Golf GTI Edition 30 DSG
tuner/stage/settings :- Various for different dyno's, but I'll explain as I go
Modifications :- Various for different dyno's, but I'll explain as I go
Type of Dyno/operator :- Various
1st Dyno ever!
tuner/stage/settings :- Move from stock to APR stage 1
Modifications :- Tune only
Type of Dyno/operator :- Dynojet at Awesome GTI
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FAwesomedyno.jpg&hash=ae6d5aeb201f55f7ee27bfe93987601e34010ad5)
tuner/stage/settings :- Custom Code Stage 2+
Modifications :- Milltek full TBE, Carbonio intake with pipercross panel filter, Autotech HPFP, Forge DV, Forge Twintercooler
Type of Dyno/operator :- Maha, Noble Motorsport
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FNobleRRday27092008.jpg&hash=403df7b21d27f1b51779d520ff7193ebf9ae3b41)
tuner/stage/settings :- Custom Code Stage 2+
Modifications :-Milltek full TBE, Evoms intake, Autotech HPFP, Forge DV, Forge Twintercooler
Type of Dyno/operator :- Superchips HQ dyno.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FSuperchipsRRday06062009003.jpg&hash=700623cdcf5a87c43b73c14104206fc67a448113)
tuner/stage/settings :-
Modifications :-
Type of Dyno/operator :-
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FNobledynograph30112009.jpg&hash=6b67a5752b5fed7020283df4a173eb573419ab41)
tuner/stage/settings :-
Modifications :-
Type of Dyno/operator :-
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FP1020098.jpg&hash=30a34c90a9bec2d1a81455c728674e71adf44c90)
tuner/stage/settings :-
Modifications :-
Type of Dyno/operator :-
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FP1020197.jpg&hash=b26613c390a439ae4d440f05373b1b70321de56a)
tuner/stage/settings :-
Modifications :-
Type of Dyno/operator :-
Notes :- Fuelling issue at higher rpm, pulling back power
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhurdy_album%2FDecat_Milltek%2FDECATPIC.jpg&hash=4db6cb0c3ad3f4e7cc19343a480544ce7ac2c25c)
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Here's mine, a Octavia 2.0 T vRS with a KO4 stuck on it with Revo 3 and B7 T4 F6 and on a tight dyno. Others gave 350-370 which i won't even bother with.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fy195%2Fmickyhea%2FDSC04149-1.jpg&hash=de321209ca102cb21a00ebe1d6a41db08092ae4f)
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b]Car:[/b] Golf GTI Edition 30 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 2+ Settings:b-7 t-3 f-5
Modifications Twintake, VWR Exhaust, APR HPFP, Twintercooler
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details ambient temp 26 degrees - I think this is now the highest KO4 Car that JKM have had.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftheo182%2FEdition_30%2FDyno2.jpg&hash=499a10b144ef93e134136637e70020570568e8be)
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b]Car:[/b] Golf GTI Edition 30 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 2+ Settings:b-7 t-3 f-5
Modifications Twintake, VWR Exhaust, APR HPFP, Twintercooler
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details ambient temp 26 degrees - I think this is now the highest KO4 Car that JKM have had.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftheo182%2FEdition_30%2FDyno2.jpg&hash=499a10b144ef93e134136637e70020570568e8be)
AND on T3 :confused: too.. Why so low mate? Nice figures though for JKM..
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And fuelling 5, seems a tad rich ?
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Will add mine to the mix..
Car:-
Edition 30
Mods:-
Revo Stage 2+
Milltek TBE / Sports cat
Hybrid Dbilas
Autotech HPFP
Settings:-
B8 T5 F6
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2FSDC11267.jpg&hash=03373a2e4b30d86393b2f0e1c8d2e2a5fd8858c8)
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There is a mistake there Ron, it says PD tuning on the graph. It should say Superchips. :laugh:
Only kiddin. :wink:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FR32MilltekEVOMSbhpTQ.jpg&hash=3a44c80c4608b2a237c0d3c9bfc6a20784fe1087)
R32 Standard software, EVOMS intake, Milltek catback and V-Power. :pomppomp:
B N/A
T N/A
F N/A
:signLOL:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FR32MilltekEVOMSbhpTQ.jpg&hash=3a44c80c4608b2a237c0d3c9bfc6a20784fe1087)
R32 Standard software, EVOMS intake, Milltek catback and V-Power. :pomppomp:
B N/A
T N/A
F N/A
:signLOL:
You sure they've not been drawn with a ruler Hedge? :surprised: :signLOL:
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You sure they've not been drawn with a ruler Hedge? :surprised: :signLOL:
Nope. :innocent:
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Here is my latest dyno.
Edition 30 DSG
The two plots are without and with nitrous injection on 100bhp jets.
The car is on REVO stage 2+ B8T6F6
The DSG is using stage 2 REVO map.
Autotech HPFP
Forge Twintercooler
EVOMS intake
Milltek TBE
Decat
RS4 valve
Forge DV
Forge K04 actuator
Neuspeed discharge pipe
BSH PCV fix
Notes:-
The car was strapped down to a jig which effectively locks the car tightly down and is more severe than a normal strapdown for a dyno - operator said that this effectively lowers the readings from the dyno by approx 3%, so for all those who don't want to get out the calculator......
339.8bhp = 350bhp..........381lbft = 392lbft
438.7bhp = 450bhp..........510lbft = 525lbft
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhurdy_album%2FNitrous_install%2F100shotnitrousRR.jpg&hash=de612b41e9468f16067e47883b0a882e0a0b54e9)
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Car: 2006 Skoda Octavia vRS TFSI (BWA engine code)
tuner/stage/settings: Jabbasport remap
Modifications:
-SFS Intercooler hoses
-Rev D diverter valve
-BSH Catch can
miscellaneous details
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Car: 2006 VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI DSG
Tuner/stage/settings: AMD Essex Stage 1
Modifications: Pipercross airfilter element, Carbonio, Shell Optimax 99
Type of Dyno/operator: DIMTECH DF41S/AMD Essex
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf281%2Fbobo071174%2FIMG_0001.jpg&hash=ca3390bbe87da09a473d9b3a1320029ed618dd03)
This is my latest dyno run 13/06/2010.
Car: 2006 VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI DSG
Tuner/stage/settings: AMD Stage 2
Modifications: Pipercross airfilter element, Carbonio, Milltek TBE non res. Shell Optimax 99.
Type of Dyno/operator: DIMTECH DF41S/AMD Essex
Miscellaneous details: AMD have had their Dyno recalibrated recently(4-6 weeks ago? I am not sure exactly) and they say it is now showing about 6-7 bhp less than it was hence the lower Stage 1 result on this graph compared to the previous graph. Car was suffering heat soak on the 2nd Stage 2 run I was told.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf281%2Fbobo071174%2FIMG_0001-1.jpg&hash=3690530d371e21758e306c35d861e2d706c0c998)
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Car: ED30
Tuner/stage/settings: P-Torque stage 1
Modifications: P-Torque stage 1 map, Forge DV
Type of Dyno/operator: Dastek (Ithink)/P-Torque
miscellaneous details: Standard with no other mods was 241.5bhp & 237.8lb/ft..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faa275%2Fdamo_egan%2F_DSC2770.jpg&hash=86b025bcd23d9f80a8410111e9292c6e8d93bc57)
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Golf Edition 30
Bluefin stage 1
Forge Twintake
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Ff6306642.jpg&hash=9112695eda21ce3511a33c347fe108f2a95b2550)
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Car: Audi A3 S-Line 2.0 TFSI S-Tronic
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 3 Settings:b-6 f-7 t-3
Modifications S3 K04 turbo conversion, VWR Panel Filter, Full milltek exhaust, S3 Cameshaft, S3 injectors, Upgraded HPFP, Relocated DV
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Thorney Motorsport
miscellaneous details AT 11 IT 14; (ABT stage 1 red curve) (REVO Stage 3 Blue curve) according to the REVO curve shape, which stop at 6000 Rpm yet seems to still go up, my guess is that my power output is more about 300Hp.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg202.imageshack.us%2Fimg202%2F1769%2Fvwrdyno002.jpg&hash=a4d6c87370fa7ccb176c58db2247a41f2ec268ec) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/vwrdyno002.jpg/)
summary
My god it is fast... :driver:
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Fuel 3 Timing 7 ?!?! :confused: Not seen that combination before, have to say..
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Oups mistake!!!! Rectified
I run B:6 T:3 F:7
I think Timing at 3 is quiet conservative. And I'm pretty sure that I could set it 5 or 6 with 98 Octane Fuel.
About Fuel at 7, I don't know what to think as REVO says 0 is Stock AFR and 9 is Performance AFR but I don't kwnow what does it mean.
Which is the richer and the leaner.
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The lower the fuel setting the richer the mix mate.. :happy2:
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Thanks :happy2:
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Shark Performance development map - Stage 2+
Modifications Pipewerx 3" dp, Piper cat-back, ITG intake, autotech HPFP
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2F_DJyvoGGMXM8%2FTLq-a-naIEI%2FAAAAAAAAAWw%2FHYO18uN2BdA%2Fs800%2FJKM_SHARK3a.jpg&hash=720e3d9eb502319856e47c994c469ed1be9fa214)
summary
a few bumps to iron out
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Thought id post these up. Shamelessly copied from JKMs website :grin: but illustrate exactly how dyno graphs can differ just from being strapped down differently.
ed30 stage 2+
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FTech%2FDyno%2520Testing%2FNadeemClimbingBIG.gif&hash=1229d84ac1e8d40b5b72a9ca67dc4c082dde5df9)
k04 vRS stage 3
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FTech%2FDyno%2520Testing%2FMayoClimbingBIG.gif&hash=e35eafb7182813f1daf327f5ebf5fcd30e1938f3)
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Here is my contribution. :happy2:
Car: Seat Leon TFSI K03
Power: 308 bhp/307 tq
Mods: Revo stg2 +, Forge twintercooler + S3 intercooler, Custom Twin intake, ATP 3" de-cat d/p into milltek 2.75" c/b, Pcv re-route to exhaust, RS4 pressure valve, Autotech HPFP, Bsh throttle pipe, SFS hoses, Forge D.V and relocation kit.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab210%2Facespizee%2FIMG_0067.jpg&hash=e2ae4e9b28e2ce23236076b04bfc5579c258c728)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab210%2Facespizee%2FIMG_0063-1.jpg&hash=9d8689f573f72a3265f8ea40a8ca9a07b0bb7e1d)
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More from Revo, plotted against previous APR maps
S3 8P Stage 1
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk277%2Fawesome_al%2FS3stage1.jpg&hash=4b3910dc90a862ad24ff64a6e35e3e653d5c3b1c)
Cupra K1 Stage 2+
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Scirocco Stage 2+
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Dean
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Its easy to see which tuner has spent more time getting there maps spot on, Is it this comming Saturday your doing thr free APR to reamp map upgrade? Looks like you will have a v.busy day.
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings: Shark Stage 3
Modifications: S3 intercooler, EVOMS, Pipewerx downpipe, Piper catback, Autotech fuel pump.
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics - JKM (Portsmouth)
miscellaneous details
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Will add mine to the mix..
Car:-
Edition 30
Mods:-
Revo Stage 2+
Milltek TBE / Sports cat
Hybrid Dbilas
Autotech HPFP
Settings:-
B8 T5 F6
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2FSDC11267.jpg&hash=03373a2e4b30d86393b2f0e1c8d2e2a5fd8858c8)
Another one from me @ SCN's RR day yesterday.. Now with the addition of EVOMS intake..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg823.imageshack.us%2Fimg823%2F687%2F21112010180531.jpg&hash=f9f1ce62770a17ee0301eea628eb328052ad3ebd) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/21112010180531.jpg/)
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so what's the spec of your Cupra?
Those Seat's are rather powerful aren't they.
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Mine from the RR day yesterday.
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Wow, you sure do get a lot of lb/ft at Awesome Rich :laugh:
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guys can you put the specs of the cars in the same post as the dyno graphs. pretty pointless else for someone else looking into the thread :happy2:
Rich has bud.. Mine is also in the thread too.. :happy2: But granted, they need putting on.. :wink:
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Done :happy2:
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Done :happy2:
And doner :happy2:
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lol loving the dyno lottery really.
so with just the change in remap, and different dyno obviously, the Cupra has gained ~20bhp and ~80 lb/ft of torque!!
Impressive.
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lol loving the dyno lottery really.
so with just the change in remap, and different dyno obviously, the Cupra has gained ~20bhp and ~80 lb/ft of torque!!
Impressive.
The APR to Revo switch has consistantly seen 20bhp gains..
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and 80 lb/ft of torque as well??
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and 80 lb/ft of torque as well??
You always get a lot of torque in Manchester :mad:
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Just scanning in another graph I had from Awesome in 2009 with the same mod's but with APR SW
I'll add that to my "other post" too
What would you say are the main differences in the 2 maps then Rich?. Is your car quicker with Revo?.
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Just scanning in another graph I had from Awesome in 2009 with the same mod's but with APR SW
I'll add that to my "other post" too
What would you say are the main differences in the 2 maps then Rich?. Is your car quicker with Revo?.
Yes, without stepping on anyone's toe's, it certainly feel's quicker. It is definately smoother, and I used to blast my garage in black soot with APR SW, with Revo I don't do this.
You have gone from GIAC to Revo, what did you think???
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You have gone from GIAC to Revo, what did you think???
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I thought the GIAC software was very good on my Cupra. However, now that i,ve been on Revo for a few months it does seem to be more of a "complete" map for the K04. My car is quicker on Revo.
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You have gone from GIAC to Revo, what did you think???
I thought the GIAC software was very good on my Cupra. However, now that i,ve been on Revo for a few months it does seem to be more of a "complete" map for the K04. My car is quicker on Revo.
Think this thread has gone off topic enough, but I know of another member who has gone the other way, Revo to GIAC and prefer's GIAC SW. It really is horse's for course's is it not :signLOL:
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I think if your interested in adjustability and fine tuning your car to your individual taste, then Revo has to be your choice. But as you say, you pay your money, you make your choice.
Sorry for the thread hijack guys, i will go back to my room now. :wink:
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Will add mine to the mix..
Car:-
Edition 30
Mods:-
Revo Stage 2+
Milltek TBE / Sports cat
Hybrid Dbilas
Autotech HPFP
Settings:-
B8 T5 F6
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2FSDC11267.jpg&hash=03373a2e4b30d86393b2f0e1c8d2e2a5fd8858c8)
Another one from me @ SCN's RR day yesterday.. Now with the addition of EVOMS intake..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg823.imageshack.us%2Fimg823%2F687%2F21112010180531.jpg&hash=f9f1ce62770a17ee0301eea628eb328052ad3ebd) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/21112010180531.jpg/)
You seem to have lost some power there? that was about the same as the motorscope day wasnt it?
I would have thought the Dynodynamics would have been the worst out of the 3 rolling roads aswell?
Also on another note, my Mk4 K03 made 300lbs/ft of torque at awesomegti, which I dont think is possible, so looks like the dynojet is quite generous in that aspect :stupid:
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Will add mine to the mix..
Car:-
Edition 30
Mods:-
Revo Stage 2+
Milltek TBE / Sports cat
Hybrid Dbilas
Autotech HPFP
Settings:-
B8 T5 F6
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2FSDC11267.jpg&hash=03373a2e4b30d86393b2f0e1c8d2e2a5fd8858c8)
Another one from me @ SCN's RR day yesterday.. Now with the addition of EVOMS intake..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg823.imageshack.us%2Fimg823%2F687%2F21112010180531.jpg&hash=f9f1ce62770a17ee0301eea628eb328052ad3ebd) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/21112010180531.jpg/)
You seem to have lost some power there? that was about the same as the motorscope day wasnt it?
I would have thought the Dynodynamics would have been the worst out of the 3 rolling roads aswell?
Also on another note, my Mk4 K03 made 300lbs/ft of torque at awesomegti, which I dont think is possible, so looks like the dynojet is quite generous in that aspect :stupid:
Think you might be looking at the ATW figures mate.. Clutch power is the one you want for fly figures.. :wink:
I've also made similar torque on 2 other rollers including the DD rollers above.. :smiley:
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On Dyno-Dynamics @ JKM.
Revo2: B7 / T5 / F8 on oem fuel pump to avoid fuel cuts.
Exhaust: Milltek high-flow downpipe, custom, non-resonated.
Air Intake: Forge Twintake (adding 15.5 bhp back-to-back with Carbonio).
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Leon Cupra 09'
revo stage2, catless 3" DP, custom intake, forge fmic. B6-T4-F6 (sh*tty russian fuel).
second graph - full stock + DP.
power on flywheel
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Both cars run yesterday at Surrey Rolling Road.
Red is Revo S1 Roc R - 300.7 bhp / 305 lb ft.
Blue is Stock mapped Roc R with Twintake/Twintercooler/Milltek Cat Back - 297.1 bhp / 285 lb ft.
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I assume the blue one is yours bud? Are you building to Stage 2/Stage 2+ I take it? When are you getting her mapped?
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I assume the blue one is yours bud? Are you building to Stage 2/Stage 2+ I take it? When are you getting her mapped?
Didn't mean to hit thank you button haha
The blue one is mine.
The thing is will i get 330 with just a S1 map??
Undecided if I want to go whole hog. It's fast enough as it is really as a daily driver. :happy2:
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I assume the blue one is yours bud? Are you building to Stage 2/Stage 2+ I take it? When are you getting her mapped?
Didn't mean to hit thank you button haha
The blue one is mine.
The thing is will i get 330 with just a S1 map??
Undecided if I want to go whole hog. It's fast enough as it is really as a daily driver. :happy2:
Just seemed odd that you've gone down the Twintercooler route, but you're not sure whether you're bothering with the software? :confused: Nice figures though mate :happy2: although I doubt you'd those gains (30bhp) on JKM's rollers..
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lol that's because the car was leant to Milltek and Forge in November for product testing purposes so some deals were done you see :wink:
yeah i doubt i'll see 330 on just a S1 map too so like u (and others) say might as well go S2 or S2+.
But we'll see how things pan out. A couple of more "deals" to be done first. :grin:
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Just got K04'd :happy2:
Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 3 Settings:b-7 t-6 f-7
Modifications K04 turbo conversion, ITG intake, Pipewerx DP, Piper cat-back, Twintercooler, S3 injectors, autotech HPFP
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details
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very nice mate.
is your redline (hard limiter) at 7500 rpm??
i didn't think the 2.0 TFSI was allowed to rev that far really.,
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is your redline (hard limiter) at 7500 rpm??
Yes, I believe so
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K04 conversion of GTI:
APR HPFP, APR 3" RSC Turboback, Forge Twintake, APR IC.
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interesting u both seem to have a flat spot in the middle of the rev range!!
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interesting u both seem to have a flat spot in the middle of the rev range!!
This is before i got APR to change my map :signLOL:
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Actually i'm considering another softwaresupplier atm :xmaspresent:
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car mk5 gti
mods
milltek tbe non res (3" downpipe)
autotech hpfp
neuspeed p-flow with 3" maff
rs4 injectors
rs4 pressure valve
grs fmic
gt28 turbo
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oh , no idea how to rotate the pic so just move your head or monitor :jumpmove:
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^^^^
Thanks, Ed - My neck was hurting!
That big turbo seems to have burnt out a white hole at around 4,000 revs :evilgrin:
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cheers for sorting that , im not very good on the pc lol , yeh its a photo as my scanner dont seem to wanna scan ? funny you should say 4k tho as its very good around town to drive as it dosnt really come on boost till then , it could come on alot lower down but ray said it was pointless as it just wheel spins , and by moving it up a tad makes it great on fuel . 32 around town and 41 on a run !
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Yep, Ray West certainly knows what he's doing. Am glad you got on with him :happy2:
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interesting u both seem to have a flat spot in the middle of the rev range!!
I was told that the torque curve should level out a bit as the ECU adapts to the new settings - that dyno was fresh after the remap was flashed. I guess I'll see at the next RR day
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Just got K04'd :happy2:
Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 3 Settings:b-7 t-6 f-7
Modifications K04 turbo conversion, ITG intake, Pipewerx DP, Piper cat-back, Twintercooler, S3 injectors, autotech HPFP
Type of Dyno/operator Dyno dynamics/Jkm perfomance
miscellaneous details
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That's something i have noticed with Ko3 engines converted to Ko4 turbo's. They seem to hold the power higher up the rev range compared to Ko4 stage 2+ cars on JKM's rollers. My top end is unreal on the road, still makes 320bhp at 7400rpm!. Here's mine:
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Stage 3 bluefin edition 30
Forge Twintake
Autotech HPFP
milltek TBE
DynoDynamics Rolling road
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Stage 3 bluefin edition 30
Forge Twintake
Autotech HPFP
milltek TBE
DynoDynamics Rolling road
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Seams quite low for stage 3 (stage 2+) mate..
See the graph is from PDT, are you local?
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it certainly does.....................
I did dome logs with vcds, boost and fuelling. The boost is only maxing at 2400mbar, which is the same as it was on stage 1...... fuel rail pressure was 129, so at least that was ok.
Checked their website today, and it says their stage 3 is only 315bhp....
http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/search?make=38&fueltype=3&model=159&variant=2077
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Have you contacted SC to see what they say about it?
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Am I right in thinking that SC email you the file and you download it to the hand held device, then you load the map to the car? Surely it would be easy enough for them to adjust the file and email it to you......
I went to school just round the corner from PDT..
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best thing i did was change away from stage 2+ bluefin.
£100 off REVO at the min too :wink:
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Stage 3 bluefin edition 30
Forge Twintake
Autotech HPFP
milltek TBE
DynoDynamics Rolling road
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Seams quite low for stage 3 (stage 2+) mate..
See the graph is from PDT, are you local?
IMO SC BF is pretty rammel at anything over Stage 1, especially when comparing with the likes of Revo and GIAC. I would seriously consider swapping software bud if you want the gains you should get when paying out for the HPFP and TBE..
This is mine on the same rollers (Dave's) with Revos Stage 2+ in the summer with standard IC..
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You'll have to excuse the weird scaling of the graph that makes it look like a hill.. Still waiting for Dave to send me another that's rescaled..
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We mapped a k03 after yours was dyno'd today HeavyD. I looked through our dyno and the highest SC map thats the equivalent spec to yours made 314bhp so nothing wrong with your car, just the low powered map, cant believe they ramp up fuel pressure with no change to the boost, whats the point in that?
The other goluf Made 198 standard and 262 with the HPFP and our stage1 'pump map' with a nuspeed intake.
You need Revo stage2+ :P
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Sunglasses Ron: i do appologise if you havent recieved a copy scaled to your preference, i have printed it out and requested that it gets emailed to you twice, but if you havent recieved it then I will take it upon myself to do it on Monday, i will post a copy up here with a link for you to download it.
Scaling graphs is tricky, everyone wants them scaled differently, personal preferance i suppose.
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best thing i did was change away from stage 2+ bluefin.
£100 off REVO at the min too :wink:
Yep, toying with the idea, think its £580 all in.
at least I got the bluefin for £270, so at least I've only thrown away £370 :sick: :sick:
if you email them, they will adjust and send you another map.they sent me 12 :grin: only they never quite got it right so i went revo, but they were VERY quick at sending another map to me.
If you bought your bluefin in the last 12month they will reset it free and you can sell it on (usually sell around the £300 mark)
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K04 Car GIAC Extreme Plus
Miltek TBE
APR IC
VF intake
Autotech HPFP
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Sunglasses Ron: i do appologise if you havent recieved a copy scaled to your preference, i have printed it out and requested that it gets emailed to you twice, but if you havent recieved it then I will take it upon myself to do it on Monday, i will post a copy up here with a link for you to download it.
Scaling graphs is tricky, everyone wants them scaled differently, personal preferance i suppose.
If you would please Dave.. :happy2:
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If they havent got it right in 12 editions of a map, then..............
mine was ko3 s2+ and their map just doesn't work with my car, other cars have been fine. The point i was making is they are more than happy to tweek your map to your requirements, id try that before paying out £500 on REVO S2+
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If they havent got it right in 12 editions of a map, then..............
mine was ko3 s2+ and their map just doesn't work with my car, other cars have been fine. The point i was making is they are more than happy to tweek your map to your requirements
But thats the problem, how do they know what your requirements are? They are whats known in the trade as 'blind mapping' i.e mapping without being able to test the effect of the changes, guesswork is one thing but not on my car thanks.
You will always get much better results if you take your car to an expert and have them tune it for you, the use of a dyno is a big benefit to gain maximum power. This simply cant be done by guesswork over the internet by emailing you maps to try! How is the end user if these maps supposed to determine if they are any good, let alone safe?
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K04 Car GIAC Extreme Plus
Miltek TBE
APR IC
VF intake
Autotech HPFP
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Huge numbers there Gojinder !! You must be very happy with that :surprised:
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Still requesting 1.35Bar :fighting:
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Revo stage 2+
autotech fuel pump
Forge Twintake
Milltek TBE
Graph shows same hardware, but a stage 3 superchips map vs a stage 2+ Revo map. Need I say which made the blue line....
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Golf gti 200
Revo stage 2+
tbe decat blueflame
Forge CAI / uprated dv / twintercooler
Autotech HPFP
The 1,000,000 bhp Audi rs4 fuel reg valve
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what is the Red curve stage 1?
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No just standard map with everything bolted on. It made 242
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Some great figures there Trick :happy2: :congrats:
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Thanks I'm over the moon with it!!! You can see from the torque curve the ko3 is out of puff about mid range and tails off but hp still rises nice :smiley:
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Highest stage 2+ k03 that we have had on the dyno :congrats:
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Highest stage 2+ k03 that we have had on the dyno :congrats:
You got any experience with the 1.4 twincharge engine?
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Highest stage 2+ k03 that we have had on the dyno :congrats:
You got any experience with the 1.4 twincharge engine?
x2 i PM'd PDT about this, alot of the guys in the market for it now
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You got any experience with the 1.4 twincharge engine?
:happy2:
Dave's a REVO dealer to, Ry :wink:
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You got any experience with the 1.4 twincharge engine?
:happy2:
Dave's a REVO dealer to, Ry :wink:
I know D, but i want to know if he has worked on the motor not just chipped one.
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Highest stage 2+ k03 that we have had on the dyno :congrats:
Do you think the RS4 valve may have helped here much ?
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The new 1.4 twincharged engine is as new to us as everyone else, we have mapped a few with good results but as in hands on mechanical experience we have not had the opportunity as yet. Usually we would buy a car that we are interested in tuning, this engine is a candidate but we have just spent all our cash on a 4wd dyno so no new cars to play with for us for a while.
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The new 1.4 twincharged engine is as new to us as everyone else, we have mapped a few with good results but as in hands on mechanical experience we have not had the opportunity as yet. Usually we would buy a car that we are interested in tuning, this engine is a candidate but we have just spent all our cash on a 4wd dyno so no new cars to play with for us for a while.
Thanks dave, i,ll pm you.
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Stage 2 PDTuning custom remap
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Finally got something sorted then Dom? :happy2: Is that with the pump? Either way, great results? :jumpmove:
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How does it drive dom?
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Drives spot on Dave. Theres a little bit of overboost, but compared to the Revo, at least it manages to get the power down, whereas when revo spools up, the traction control light comes on, and the car got nowhere!
I think if the slight overboost got sorted out, I think it would be hard to beat to be honest against the big guns, loads better than bluefin, as the superchips took too high revs to come into play. With a slight tweak I think youre onto a winner with that map Dave :happy2:
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I think the overboost may be a side effect of the fuel pump issue, I dont get any on my car with the same map.
As for the power delivery, this is our linear version, much easier to modulate the throttle to avoid wheelspin etc....
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I'll report back when I get the new pump on tuesday :sad1: Might be worth fitting an auotech whilst the pump is brand new :grin: Pm me a price Dave :wink:
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Seat Leon TFSI:
k04 turbo
S3 injectors
Evomsintake+ shield.
APR HPFP
rs4 valve
forge bov
forge K04 wastegate
custom 3" exhaust
Standard IC
BNPerformance turbo outlet
BSH throttle body pipe
BSH Pendulum Dogbone insert
Devils Own stage 2 methanol kit.
REVO Stage 3 software
Alloy intake manifold http://www.sorensen-performance.com/wp/?page_id=3&category=26&product_id=71
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With the german DIN Norm:
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Wow - this is a very impressive dyno... the power delivery and duration throughout the band is staggering!!!! The curves look absolutely great!! :happy2:
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Seat Leon TFSI:
k04 turbo
S3 injectors
Evomsintake+ shield.
APR HPFP
rs4 valve
forge bov
forge K04 wastegate
custom 3" exhaust
Standard IC
BNPerformance turbo outlet
BSH throttle body pipe
BSH Pendulum Dogbone insert
Devils Own stage 2 methanol kit.
REVO Stage 3 software
Alloy intake manifold http://www.sorensen-performance.com/wp/?page_id=3&category=26&product_id=71
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With the german DIN Norm:
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All that with the standard IC? :surprised:
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All that with the standard IC? :surprised:
Yup, but he's on the lookout for an S3 IC :smiley:
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water methonol injection will cool the inlet temp alot faster than an intercooler will
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water methonol injection will cool the inlet temp alot faster than an intercooler will
There is that I suppose, but what about when he's not running the meth?
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if you not nailing it all the time do you really need the cooler?
If you nail it, flick on the WMI, for instant cooling.
With REVO if you run out of meth you can manually retard the ignition timing. then just run it on diostilled water for the cooling effect.
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You can run WMI without any meth in it and just use it for cooling....
Edit: Sy beat me to it...
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Hurdy's old car (now mine) fully setup to Stage 2+ on Friday.
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Nice torque figure and feels lovely and smooth.
Regards
Matt
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Standard GTi 55 Plate
Paramount Performance Custom Map (Their Stage 1 so to speak)
Pipercross Panel Filter
Dyno Dynamics
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff150%2Fjohnhol%2FDyno.jpg&hash=3a582607a8455d4848fe2ac2443e4cdfdd5015c4)
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Right, finally my turn, I have recently gone from APR K04 conversion software to REVO and after a dodgy throttlebody and some bad spark plugs we are on the right track:
Car: VW Golf GTI 2006 TFSI Engine code AXX
tuner/stage/settings Revo stage 3 Settings:b-9 f-9 t-6
Modifications K04 turbo conversion, Twintake, APR RSC 3" TBE, APR intercooler, S3 injectors, APR HPFP, Forge K04 actuator, BSH throttlebody pipe, BN autoteknik turbo discharge, Neuspeed pulley kit, Sachs SMF
Type of Dyno/operator ?
miscellaneous details : defect intake manifold runner,
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I'm content, after struggling with lots of bad karma, it seems like i'm on the right track. :party: I still feel that i could optimize the setting of the Forge K04 actuator, so hopefully some improvements there :innocent:
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Roc R with Revo S1 on conservative B6 T3 F5 settings / Twintake / Twintercooler / Milltek Cat Back
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Charlie's words were "it needs a bit more timing there's more in there" lol but I've purposely held the timing back to protect the fragile clutch. :grin:
But it's good and happy with that. However i got spanked on the torque front by another Roc (small turbo too....grrrr ) :signLOL:
PS: graph in easy to read scaling too (which took 5 secs to do on the computer!)
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F5 on standard pump?!?! :surprised:
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Lee.. thats a very good result! :happy2:
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Chungster, is the date correct on that graph? If so the B.P (barometric pressure) reading is still in default 98.0, whereas the true barometric pressure would have been approx 101.5 on that date.
May be worth contacting them and letting them know their weather station could be faulty :happy2:
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Chungster, is the date correct on that graph? If so the B.P (barometric pressure) reading is still in default 98.0, whereas the true barometric pressure would have been approx 101.5 on that date.
May be worth contacting them and letting them know their weather station could be faulty :happy2:
What result would that have on the graphs?
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Depends on the overall value of weather compensations on the day, the power of the car and other factors. it may not even be incorrect but 98.0 is extremely low for this time of year.
JKM wrote a bit about this here:
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/dynotesting.htm
And based on the weather station in Surrey on this date, baro pressure was around 1014.0 but thats not to say that the pressure in the dyno room was the same, fans and extractors will change the BP. I made the mistake once of leaving my weather station in a box in the boot of my car and then testing a car on the dyno directly after using the info on the weather station before it had had a chance to settle. The weather station read much lower than the true BP and the car was over reading by approx 20%. a quick check of the atmospheric conditions found the problem.
I also had a faulty weather station, it reads around 15 lower on the BP than the Dyno Dynamics one, when testing cars with the incorrect BP figure they usually gain around 12% of power.
Its good practice to check the Bp on your weather station against the local weather stations readings. I now have 3 weather stations, 2 that are correct and I use to cross check each other and my faulty one that use to show people what effect the weather conditions can play on dyno results.
P.s my faulty one occasionally defaults to 98.0 and stays there for days before reading a different figure, this is what drew my attention to the 98.0 figure on your graph, its an odd figure to see at this time of year with the weather we have had lately.
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F5 on standard pump?!?! :surprised:
Yup have queried it already, but it's how this dealer sets it up on the OE pump. I might up the timing and change to F9 and see how it goes
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Chungster, is the date correct on that graph? If so the B.P (barometric pressure) reading is still in default 98.0, whereas the true barometric pressure would have been approx 101.5 on that date.
May be worth contacting them and letting them know their weather station could be faulty :happy2:
Will send Charlie your comment and see what he says :happy2:
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I wouldn't worry about the figures Chungster got PDT given my TSI revo stage 2 we got around 9bhp less than the mk6 GTI you posted here 5 mins before ;)
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Not worried about figures, but if thete is a problem with the weather station at that dyno it would be nice to let them know :smiley:
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Charlie has sent me an explanation and he's happy his dyno is working as it should be. He did 9-10 cars yesterday.
Also if it was wrong and my figs are 20% out, that means I only have ~ 260bhp!!!
I'd be amazed if that was the true figure.
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Well given that you should have 265 as stock..... :signLOL:
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Well given that you should have 265 as stock..... :signLOL:
That plus Revo / Forge / Milltek bits losing me bhp instead of piling it on!
It goes well tho :wink:
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Well given that you should have 265 as stock..... :signLOL:
That plus Revo / Forge / Milltek bits losing me bhp instead of piling it on!
It goes well tho :wink:
You can show me at the VAG castle Combe day! ;-)
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No probs Rich I'll be tracking it all day as the mintex 1144s are finally on!
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Thats good, worth checking though as its very odd to get BP that low!
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Hurdy's old car (now mine) fully setup to Stage 2+ on Friday.
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Nice torque figure and feels lovely and smooth.
Regards
Matt
looks like a dip midrange, do you have the RS4 fuel pressure valve fitted?
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I do not believe so mate, though I haven't REALLY tracked down all the mods that Hurdy left.
That said, I stick to my original statement - I don't think I do. Just uprated fuel pump.
Matt
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iirc Hurdy did have a RS4 valve fitted when he owned the car.
Being that it's in an awkward position to install/remove, my guess is he left it in place when he sold the car to you...
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Hmm maybe then. All I can add is that I've asked him a few times at length and all we could come up with as still being on the car was the Forge Actuator - because again its not worth going after.
Matt
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I spoke to Steve Jr and he left the RS4 valve on from what he can remember :happy2:
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Cheers John.
Prob for the best as I already have an RNS510, Coilovers, Rear Brakes, ARB, WALK and Bluetooth sat in the garage waiting to be fit. Oh and highline dash on its way, and redundant MFSW buttons (for now.)
What I'm saying is, one less thing to worry about!!!
Matt
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You'd have been better buying my car with all the bits on at that rate Matt :laugh:
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Barometric pressure is something i see time and time again come up on dynos and can clearly needs looking at by the operator...in simple terms, 1 unit of barometic pressure is equal to 30feet elevation in aviation terms.....PDT will explain better than i can about how this effects the dyno as thats his speciality :grin: but if the pressure was set as low as 980 compaired to what is archived which was say 1015 regional at thats given time and date (this is very close to an ISA 1013 setting or 29.92 in mercry/In) then we are talking 35 unit difference.......which is 1050 feet in total difference......thats like huge! que Dave @PDT to follow this on........
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Here's mine... Edition 30 with Revo stage 1 and Neuspeed P-Flo intake - 310 bhp and 290 lb/ft of torque. :smiley:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh60%2Fmarka87uk%2FRemapGraph.jpg&hash=8745c5e42abefeb63f5566cb2155a64a301f0ae7)
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heres mine
gti stage 2 - 3"tbe, carbonio intake, engine not running right lol
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You'd have been better buying my car with all the bits on at that rate Matt :laugh:
Well, as you know, I would have if I could have!!! What a difference a couple of weeks makes!!
Matt
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Been to see Will at P-Torque today...
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71bhp gain, sh*t the bed :surprised:
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Ben, Will (P-Torque) ususaly gets between 300 & 320bhp with his stage 1 map :laugh:
Its what I'm running :happy2:
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here is my gttdi custom map from r-tech
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings: DNA Tuning Stage 3 (stage 2+)
Modifications: 3" DP+ Decat, APR HPFP, S3 intercooler, BSH Trueseal
Type of Dyno/operator: Dyno Dynamics, Rs Tuning
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Ben, Will (P-Torque) ususaly gets between 300 & 320bhp with his stage 1 map :laugh:
Its what I'm running :happy2:
Dangerous lean though mate.. :signLOL:
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I dont get it... How come
PDT sorry.. P-Torque can get 300-320 where as any REVO stage one ive seen get 280ish??
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I dont get it... How come PDT can get 300-320 where as any REVO stage one ive seen get 280ish??
I suppose it depends on what dyno is used... :smiley:
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I couldn't be happier with the P-Torque remap - its ballistic now, but I REALLY need to sort the suspension and brakes out, not happy with either at the moment coming from a Megane R26. I'm sure it'll be good when sorted though.
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I dont get it... How come PDT sorry.. P-Torque can get 300-320 where as any REVO stage one ive seen get 280ish??
My REVO S1 ED30 was 310 on reputable rollers.
Matt
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Ben, Will (P-Torque) ususaly gets between 300 & 320bhp with his stage 1 map :laugh:
Its what I'm running :happy2:
Dangerous lean though mate.. :signLOL:
:signLOL:
300bhp on a DD dyno ain't bad though :smiley:
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Shark performance stage 3
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Shark performance stage 3
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Nice result that. :happy2:
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Thats better, Dom :happy2:
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Thats better, Dom :happy2:
Got there in the end :happy2:
Think Revo DSG might be in the pipeline now :jumping:
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Car: 02 S3
tuner/stage/settings: Revo remap stage 1 by StealthRacing
Modifications: Forge DV,ITG Induction
Type of Dyno/operator: Btec Racing-Dastek 2/4wd Rolling Road
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US version GTI w/AWE K04 kit running 92octane. I have since changed from giac's/awe k04 file to giac's K04 high output file but haven't had it dyno'd yet;
Max 284 whp and 363 lb-ft
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Shark Performance stage 3, but now with Revo Dsg remap, nice improvement, was unexpected :surprised:
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14hp gain from a gearbox map :happy2:
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That looks alot healhier Dom you can now enjoy driving it :happy2:
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Shark Performance stage 3, but now with Revo Dsg remap, nice improvement, was unexpected :surprised:
How do I get numbers like these(without getting a new car)? I put on a k04 plus the mods in my Sig, but getting 285 wheel hp on 92 octane.
Would cams and internals bump me up? Oh, and are these dyno's at the wheel or crank?
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The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
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The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
Thanks, I was about to pack up and move over there, LOL.
I need to get back on the dyno myself and see how my giac high output file differs from the awe/giac file.
Anyone here have the giac high output file on their fsi? I'll go searching for now.
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The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
This^^
You can approximate your crank hp for FWD cars by adding 10 bhp to the wheel figure and divide the result by 0.9. In Roh Echt's case it's around 327 crank bhp .
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14hp gain from a gearbox map :happy2:
that was the whole problem with the map at leeds shark reckoned. the dsg was limiting the torque, they played with the map but still couldnt get it to use its full potential, the revo dsg map increases the torque limit up to 500Nm from 350Nm, so I guess the fact the box wasnt playing with the timing anymore to cut torque,it release a fewmore ponies :happy2:
That looks alot healhier Dom you can now enjoy driving it :happy2:
I got there in the end :drinking:
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Could something else still be amiss as Sunglasses Ron with the revo dsg map didn't have his torque plateau like yours at 350lb ft...
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Bacillus, HeavyD,
My car (Hurdy's old one) has the Revo Stage 2 DSG map and has loads more torque than HD's car showed (my RR graph is above somewhere), but my Revo Stage 2+ map still throws up the same error as HeavyD's did...
So I doubt there is anything wrong with his car that is causing the low torque.
Matt
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My point is the revo dsg map (both stage 1 & 2) raises the torque level to the box to 500Nm (approx 368lb ft).
His torque shouldn't plateau and be limited to 350lb ft because of the dsg box. Sunglasses Ron's graph clearly doesn't show some sort of limitation of torque to 350lb ft hence my comment.
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Its also got something to do with the actual remap also. 3 weeks ago, my remap could only make 280lbs/ft of torque. It took them 6hrs to work around the issue. The way the explained it was the fact that the engine sends the dsg box info on the torque output, the dsg box then adjusts timing to lower the torque to the specified limit. They then had to change the map to fool the dsg into thinking that there wasnt as much torque being produced, so I then made 320lbs/ft of torque. obviously the correction factor at this point wasnt at the optimum level, as after the dsg box torque limiter was raised, it still flatlines at 350Nm.
When I had the PDT stage 2, my torque flatlined at exactly 280Nm also.
The fact must be that Revo stage 2+ must do a better job of interfering between the ecu and Tcu, as when I had stage 2+ Revo, I also produced 370lbs/ft of torque.
When bluefin stage 3 first came out, the dsgs made less torque than what the manual version did, probably the same reason with that map.
I'm just going off what I was told :stupid: :stupid:
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Could something else still be amiss as Sunglasses Ron with the revo dsg map didn't have his torque plateau like yours at 350lb ft...
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This is what I said to Dom also mate.. Either way, 350lb/ft is still more than enough IMO and still impressive.. :happy2:
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i think shark limit most of the torque on their maps to what they deem to be safe levels for longevity
just like this one
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Im not complaining, I'm happy with that anyway :drinking: :drinking:
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Im not complaining, I'm happy with that anyway :drinking: :drinking:
Yup, a big improvement from your day at RS tuning... :smiley:
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I've had mixture too rich appear twice today. Sigh, what to do?
Matt
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I've had mixture too rich appear twice today. Sigh, what to do?
Matt
You running revo?
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I've had mixture too rich appear twice today. Sigh, what to do?
Matt
You running revo?
Yeah mate.
Matt
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The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
This^^
You can approximate your crank hp for FWD cars by adding 10 bhp to the wheel figure and divide the result by 0.9. In Roh Echt's case it's around 327 crank bhp .
Hey, thank you for figuring this out for me. So if I go to get dyno'd again, what are your thoughts.
Put in some 100 octane fuel, and switch to the race file or run it how I normally do with pump fuel?
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I've had mixture too rich appear twice today. Sigh, what to do?
Matt
Youre either going to have to go back to the Revo dealer, or phone Revo themselves. I had a look at the post that I made about it, and BDMAlex had one on an S3 and he tried:
New OEM HPFP
New lambda
New injector seals
New pcv
Oil change
Still had the fault though.
The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
This^^
You can approximate your crank hp for FWD cars by adding 10 bhp to the wheel figure and divide the result by 0.9. In Roh Echt's case it's around 327 crank bhp .
Hey, thank you for figuring this out for me. So if I go to get dyno'd again, what are your thoughts.
Put in some 100 octane fuel, and switch to the race file or run it how I normally do with pump fuel?
Yes, use the race file, as it will be running more boost, timing, fuelling than your standard file :happy2:
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I will. Might as well see what my max power output is, right?
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I've had mixture too rich appear twice today. Sigh, what to do?
Matt
Youre either going to have to go back to the Revo dealer, or phone Revo themselves. I had a look at the post that I made about it, and BDMAlex had one on an S3 and he tried:
New OEM HPFP
New lambda
New injector seals
New pcv
Oil change
Still had the fault though.
The figures you see mate arent whp thats crank hp. So your 285whp is around the same as those you see above factoring in the losses. :happy2:
This^^
You can approximate your crank hp for FWD cars by adding 10 bhp to the wheel figure and divide the result by 0.9. In Roh Echt's case it's around 327 crank bhp .
Hey, thank you for figuring this out for me. So if I go to get dyno'd again, what are your thoughts.
Put in some 100 octane fuel, and switch to the race file or run it how I normally do with pump fuel?
Yes, use the race file, as it will be running more boost, timing, fuelling than your standard file :happy2:
To be honest mate, REVO may be a big player in the world of VAG Tuning but to me they are a tin pot company with terrible customer service. Bottom line is, if Stattlers can't fix it then I am going to change my map. I don't care much for REVO and I will drop their map like a bad habit if its bad for my car or causes me hassle.....
The problem with the Shark/REVO DSG2 map is that I will drop about 100 lbs/ft which I don't wanna do. That's my quandry!!
Matt
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I will. Might as well see what my max power output is, right?
I suppose it depend on what you're after.
IMO unless you use 100 octane for everyday driving then I would stick with what fuel you normally use and try to optimise your mapping for that.
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theres absolutely no way that you will drop 100lbft of torque at all. your not taking into account dyno lottery.
this is HDs revo vs bluefin. if you compare his revo torque from 3600-4250 to the shark torque at the same point they are both making 350lbft. If you look at the revo curve it also has a small torque spike for around 500revs @which takes it from around 350lbft up to peak 370lbft which would be neigh on un-noticeable as its that short. This highlights to me how pointless it is looking at peak figures because other than that its neigh on the same as the shark torque throughout.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2F8d8d8de6-1.jpg&hash=e3add55fec93db69b8a95b0b84cc09f395209e28)
Not entirely sure how you figure to lose 100lbft. Yours is making 380lbft (probably less on a dyno dynamics) so i would make that only a 30lbft difference.
yours
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shark stage 3
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:signLOL:
I'd be happy enough with 350 lbs/ft but I am pretty sure I read 280 lbs/ft at the top of this page. The following posts made little sense to me, something about a second map and so on etc - was unclear whether that was Shark taking a second bite, or a different map, or whatever.
If Shark will give me 350 lbs and about 340bhp then I would be happy, especially if the drive is so much better which is what is most important to me. I've invested in what I understand to be the 'supporting' mods that make better power (over looks etc) so I'm keen to maintain a certain way of thinking!
I think because power figures delivered via Dyno will always be controversial, I should also explain that I am more focussed on driving dynamics than power, but Dyno's are a decent way of measuring the way power is delivered and relative gains (if done in a controlled way.)
People should therefore note (like I have) that although I don't want to lose too much power, I am more focussed on the reported comparison between driving the two cars. Also, as it appears Shark won't blow my car up (which REVO is going to) then it's almost a no brainer!
Regards
Matt
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sharks map gave 280lbft when the DSG was limiting it, but when they bypassed the issue he made 348hp/350lbft
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Without the dsg map I got 334bhp and 320lbs of torque. Shark is moving premises soon and getting a dyno. I would say that since they know what the issue is now, they could probably get more out of the map, especially once they get a dyno in. The current group buy is an excellent deal aswell.
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sharks map gave 280lbft when the DSG was limiting it, but when they bypassed the issue he made 348hp/350lbft
So to be clear, Ben rewrote his map to suit HeavyD? Thus, taking the car from 280 to around 350 lbs/ft? That's fine and all I need to know really!!
HD - did you go for the Stage 2 DSG map?
Matt
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HD - did you go for the Stage 2 DSG map?
Matt
PDT stated it was the stage 1 map. :smiley:
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Ok story was RR at leeds, made 317bhp and 280lb/ft. went to shark hq. by datalogging only, after 6 hrs, map was tuned to their liking. went to PDT, had it RR'd, it made 334bhp and 320lbs of torque. I then had a stage 1 dsg map loaded onto car, was either dsg map, or ECU adapting to the new map, it made 348bhp and 350lbs torque.
DONT do what I did and pay for 4 different companies remaps!!!!
Just phone Revo HQ up, and I'm sure they can do something for you to help sort it out, if they cant, the group buy will cost you about Normal price: £449 including VAT
Group buy price: £349 including VAT / £304.10 including VAT for Freedom members or £449/£404.10 and choose a free STS
But persevere, as thats all money down the drain if Revo can help you out!!!!
I was told by Revo that their DSG stage 2 map will only work in conjunction with Revo ECU remap.
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I was told by Revo that their DSG stage 2 map will only work in conjunction with Revo ECU remap.
Never heard that before... :confused:
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I was told by Revo that their DSG stage 2 map will only work in conjunction with Revo ECU remap.
Never heard that before... :confused:
I phoned their cusomer services and thats what he said?
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Hello, I thought I would post a realistic power graph from one of our customers spec1-custom Mk5 Gti.
Car: Golf GTI Mk5 2.0 TFSI k03
tuner/stage/settings: R-TECH Custom Spec1 dyno map
Modifications: Stock with V-power
Type of Dyno/operator: Bosch LPS eddy barke dyno
miscellaneous details: Faultless engine, Not as much PEAK torque as most tuners maps but it hold the torque band well to give a good area under the curve.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh252%2FRtechremaps%2FRED-MK5GTI-CUSTOM.jpg&hash=605c9238d3e476956154480e778f1c6e7d2793fe)
Mk5 Golf GTI 197 2.0TFSI Custom Spec1 rolling road remap session stock pwr run = 204bhp
Final results =241.96bhp@5300rpm 266.34lbft
Pre remap inspection DV fine & PCV fine....and at last a fault free engine running 100% spot on out the box.
We made three map revisions all based from our generic spec1-gen4 map, we dyno and log the car and monitor where the flat spot are on the mapping which are unique to every car, we read pages of VCDS logs to see where we can add more power ans still be in the safe area. We will repeat a few time until we are happy with the logs and the graph is a smooth at it can be. Just by custom mapping on the dyno the aim is to get rid of all the dips, the by product of making the graph smooth is extra power (not peak power) as you can see on the graph below we gained another 12lbft and 12bhp between 3000-4000rpm which has a knock on effect at the top end curve, another 5-6bhp across the whole band. These numbers dont sound much as "peak number" but stretched over the whole rpm range it make the car feel night and day on the road.
More average area uder the curve the quicker the car and this is what we aim to do to make our remap the quality they are.... not peak number or boost spikes.
A few more graphs can be found here
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=159756.0
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Graph of my first custom remap on a Mk5 GTI fitted with k04 turbo, S3 injectors and uprated HPFP and the usual mods turbo back ect... It took me over a week and 50 hours to get it to how I wanted it and to keep the boost within range of the stock GTI 2580mb map sensor scale, and around 10 hours just getting the fuel trims from from -19% to around -0.7. Final dyno runs 335bhp and final on road datalogging = 270gs via the maf. I am very happy with the result I just hope the customer thinks the same. :driver:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36199.0/topicseen.html
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Richwigs ED30 DSG with Revo stage 1 & Revo DSG software upgrade
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CAR: Golf R
ECU: Revo Stage 4 & HGP DSG
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^^^^ :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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:drinking:
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+1
What Rich said....
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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Richwigs ED30 DSG with Revo stage 1 & Revo DSG software upgrade
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh252%2FRtechremaps%2FE30REVODSGMAP.jpg&hash=7c7c0690c644a8134577e3ec4585cbf298ce377f)
Is this at the wheels? :confused:
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289 @ wheel and i presume 250 is at the flywheel or is it the other way around?
Why whats the matter with it?
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Didn't see the 289 :ashamed:.. Yeah, other way round Rich.. :smiley:
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Didn't see the 289 :ashamed:.. Yeah, other way round Rich.. :smiley:
:happy2:
Pulls very nicely... but these wet roads are making my dash board flash like a christmas tree. :signLOL:
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Remember it well mate.. Wait till the roads get proper greasey.. :sad1: Stage 2+ is even funnier. Mine use to flash at 70+mph at times.. :surprised:
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Stage 2 Revo mk6 GTI :smiley:
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These tsi's are really making some massive torque figures!
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These tsi's are really making some massive torque figures!
This was my stage 1 map before full Milltek and stage 2 carbonio thought it would of got a few more horses on stage 2 with other mods on ?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi601.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt94%2FNeilGti%2FJack%2FMK6%2520GTI%2Fscan0001.jpg&hash=4cab72622050733afae2619a149853dfbca895d2)
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Car: Golf GT TDi Mk5 2.0 TDI BKD Engine Code
tuner/stage/settings: Shark Performance STS (Self Tuning System) Stage 1 Generic Map
Modifications: Mostly Stock with V-power and straight thru exhaust in stead of back-box (from rear axle to twin GTI exit)
Type of Dyno/operator: DASTEK Dynamometer
miscellaneous details: High torque Figure and Good Smooth delivery curve. Higher power output figures than Shark's website quote and higher than average mapped 140 TDI's. :happy2:
181.8 bhp 301.6 lb/ft
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fsandydodds%2FVW_Golf__GTTdi_140%2FRollingRoad124911.jpg&hash=f35de4e326e8767e93189fef7834cfee94897265)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fsandydodds%2FVW_Golf__GTTdi_140%2FRollingRoad224911.jpg&hash=d7b4685fe0579c94c0bf37b0c764156ee7b8a661)
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Golf GTI Edition 30 with Revo stage one map
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff146%2Ftyper53%2Fpower.jpg&hash=8d6ebd19522a431a96374e42750c86f5ca307233)
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336ftlb very good if thats accurate. Someone posted a revo stage 1 on a ed30 and got 290ftlb - AMD mapped it
Are you local to AMD ?
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336ftlb very good if thats accurate. Someone posted a revo stage 1 on a ed30 and got 290ftlb.
Are you local to AMD ?
about 30 minutes away
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My Stage 1 2.0 TSI, happy with the figures, but a little concerned about the "spike" low down, anyone any thoughts the dyno operator said its because its running too rich, also see my AFR below
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz203%2Fdaz_pd%2F20TSI_Stg1.jpg&hash=7116c969cbaedae698034e1d306ae8ef48369cf2)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz203%2Fdaz_pd%2F20TSI_AFR.jpg&hash=5d62da31dbb2209223033d1826a7df85053e5211)
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My Stage 1 2.0 TSI, happy with the figures, but a little concerned about the "spike" low down, anyone any thoughts the dyno operator said its because its running too rich, also see my AFR below
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz203%2Fdaz_pd%2F20TSI_Stg1.jpg&hash=7116c969cbaedae698034e1d306ae8ef48369cf2)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz203%2Fdaz_pd%2F20TSI_AFR.jpg&hash=5d62da31dbb2209223033d1826a7df85053e5211)
What software are you running?
Rich running wont cause a boost/torque spike, its all down to how its mapped..
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Well I don't like to name and shame either, its a well known tuner, I havent (since I last checked) any fault codes logged, so it has to be the map then? My only other mod is a carbonio intake
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The spike is down to the DSG, we've seen it on our dyno too. The manual version on 100% identical map doesn't do that, it's a smooth torque curve. We did a DSG remap on that car in order to solve it but unfortunately the customer didn't have time to wait for us to re-run the car. He is coming back for other work though, so we will have the opportunity to dyno it.
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Do you notice the spike whilst driving?
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The dsg boxes seem to cause a lot of headaches :popcornsoda:
Hopefully I'll have a dyno plot of the stage 1 map next week to put up on here, I have the dsg software, so will see if I get the spike on mine :happy2:
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The spike is down to the DSG, we've seen it on our dyno too. The manual version on 100% identical map doesn't do that, it's a smooth torque curve. We did a DSG remap on that car in order to solve it but unfortunately the customer didn't have time to wait for us to re-run the car. He is coming back for other work though, so we will have the opportunity to dyno it.
Do you notice the spike whilst driving?
@ Shark_90 thats interesting, although slight issue being that I dont have DSG, lol! any other thoughts?
@ PDT: Its not THAT noticeable, If I look for it its easy to find however, feels kinda like hesitation for a split sec then the spike before it continues nicely throughout the range,
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@ Shark_90 thats interesting, although slight issue being that I dont have DSG, lol! any other thoughts?
Haha! Ok, in that case I don't have any thoughts off the top of my head, I've never seen a manual do that apart from one that had a persistent misfire which was down to a weak coil pack. That doesn't look like a misfire to me but the resolution of the graph isn't really high enough to spot that.
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Why would the DSG box cause a big torque spike?
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Because the DSG can reduce torque. Testing identical 2.0TSI software back to back shows that the DSG car has the strange shape early on, yet it's manual counterpart doesn't. Secondly the torque output of the manual car is 10+% higher.
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hmmm, I guess Ill get my Mechanic to do some logs with me, would slip on the RR cause this symptom?
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Wheel spin can cause issues with spikes/dips depending on the type of dyno used (inertia/coastdown/eddy braked) all measure flywheel power in different ways.
Ask the dyno operator to plot rpm vs mph, should be a smooth straight line, any spikes/dips is clutch slip or wheel spin.
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Hello people,
My vehicle Gti Edition 30
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae137%2Fawesomeebay%2FEdition30.jpg&hash=e04c246b9e049b1012c04709b3951f466e11b453)
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hmmm, I guess Ill get my Mechanic to do some logs with me, would slip on the RR cause this symptom?
Could be a number of things / combination of things. A good logging session on the road and dyno will help pin point whats going on.
1) I get graphs like this when my back straps are not tight enough and the tyres lose contact with the rear roller drum of the dyno????
2)It the map and its running an agressive N75 pilot map which causes the boost to over shoot the target load the cut back quite hard, and not ramp up to the requested boost line, (its not a bad map just a method used by some tuners to get the boost in strong and early) On the road this mapping method would see 2/3psi overshoot and the spike/dip would not be felt.
3) Rolling road dyno acceleration rates. If tested on a dyno with little load or a fast acceleration rate then the due to the map characteristics of the N75 Pilot map (used for spooling) then it can induce a much bigger spike. Run it on a dyno with very slow acceleration rate then the peak would be much less.
IMO all that count is that your happy with how the car feels, IMO rolling roads should be used as tools.
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Thought I would fire up the Stage 2 K03 - Bluflame Decat downpipe and neuspeed p-flo…..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ff337%2Fniw2500%2FK03Tfsidecatcai-1.jpg&hash=28143cc4a758ee800632ef4b1c200714ca3e2b9c)
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Hello!
here is dyno of my Golf GTI mkV AXX.
Modifications:
- k04 turbo
- S3 Intercooler
- DownPipe without catalityc converters (rest of the exhaust is stock)
Result:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg148.imageshack.us%2Fimg148%2F9153%2Faxxos.jpg&hash=3dbdf8e536286d632de052e582ab2cf310b29edc)
It's important to mention that intake is OEM, injectors are stock and hpfp is stock. :)
All tweaks were made in Poland - CompSport ;) http://www.compsport.pl/ - only in Polish, however in "Projekty" section you will find some projects. :)
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Hi all,
I had my MK5 GTi on the rolling road a few months ago and it gave more power than expected. I was with a group of different cars and they had the expected results, so as far as I know the result should be accurate (as can be). I've not modded or chipped the car so either the previous owner has or someone told me some models had a newer engine in which was 30bhp up?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg38.imageshack.us%2Fimg38%2F803%2Fgolfpowergraph.jpg&hash=17739e0824f45c8de5b2eb55c3eb41a8de73f950)
Any ideas? Not complaining of course :jumping:
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Wheel HP is about right but fly HP is a little high, also to low to be mapped too..
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AwesomeHassan - Whats the spec of your car dude? Have seen it at Awesome a few times! Looks lovely. :happy2:
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AwesomeHassan - Whats the spec of your car dude? Have seen it at Awesome a few times! Looks lovely. :happy2:
Thanks! At the moment im only runing Revo stage 2 software,
ITG intake, Milltek turbo back exhaust and a RS4 FPRV and lots an lots of V power! lol
I am waiting for my fuel pump to arrive so i can go to stage 2+
Will prob get the intercooler and clutch done next.
I cant wait lol :driver:
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AwesomeHassan - Whats the spec of your car dude? Have seen it at Awesome a few times! Looks lovely. :happy2:
Thanks! At the moment im only runing Revo stage 2 software,
ITG intake, Milltek turbo back exhaust and a RS4 FPRV and lots an lots of V power! lol
I am waiting for my fuel pump to arrive so i can go to stage 2+
Will prob get the intercooler and clutch done next.
I cant wait lol :driver:
All that and still on the standard clutch?
Very good
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its only time before the clutch starts to slip
(touch wood) lol
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not going through every page... but has anyone got more than 450bhp at the fly?
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Teff has made the biggest power, have a search for his graph :happy2:
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heres an example of revo stage 2+ when you car keeps wheelspinning at the 3500 rpm :fighting:
b9t5f6
twintercooler, apr hpfp, itg intake
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fb634bce1.jpg&hash=a676c24bfef95b9906128b5239eae602a8c25f6e)
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Yes, shame about the wheelspin. Graph is a good indication of the rough power output and was good to get an accurate AFR reading :smiley:
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heres an example of revo stage 2+ when you car keeps wheelspinning at the 3500 rpm :fighting:
b9t5f6
twintercooler, apr hpfp, itg intake
Is this graph of your car?
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Here's mine:
:jumpmove:
Car: VW Golf GTI 2006 TFSI Engine code Cupra BWJ engine
tuner/stage/settings: Revo race file Settings:b-9 f-9 t-7 :jumpmove:
Modifications: K04 turbo conversion, Twintake, APR RSC 3" TBE, APR intercooler, S3 injectors, APR HPFP, Forge K04 actuator, BSH throttlebody pipe, BN autoteknik turbo discharge, Neuspeed pulley kit, Sachs SMF, RS4 return valve,
Type of Dyno/operator ?
miscellaneous details : Lower graph is my old GTI/K04 conversion Map from REVO on the BWJ engine and settings B9,F9,T6
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2Frevo6.jpg&hash=14ab1d0614be6c2ff37d9920742b3278440f7b5b)
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heres an example of revo stage 2+ when you car keeps wheelspinning at the 3500 rpm :fighting:
b9t5f6
twintercooler, apr hpfp, itg intake
Is this graph of your car?
certainly is :happy2:
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These engines make amazing torque at very low rpm's.How much boost pressure would they be hitting at peak torque and are there anyspecial bits on the turbos to cope with it eg bb cores?
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1.5bar normally. Nothing special on turbo
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftfsi_mike%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FIMG_0005.jpg&hash=6c8f14adb4718618b2e431f825f4eae4f66e5337)
APR Stage 2+
Keith is taking my car next week to improve the dip at high revs :notworthy:
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Keith is taking my car next week to improve the dip at high revs :notworthy:
Hopefully not improve but REmove. :happy2:
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Looks like I made the wrong choice :signLOL:
Be interesting to see results once tweaked mike :happy2:
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Keith is taking my car next week to improve the dip at high revs :notworthy:
Hopefully not improve but REmove. :happy2:
Keith,
I may have the ITG heat shield removed to see if there is a slight change it is not getting enough airflow at high revs. I dont think this is the case but will see if it has any impact
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I had the itg heatshield on my car and took it off. I found it felt crisper with it removed.
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I had the itg heatshield on my car and took it off. I found it felt crisper with it removed.
Mcoys or Walkers?
If it felt Mcoys Flame grilled steak I will remove the heat shield lol
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Its not McCOYS crisp. Im talking Flamin hot monster munch crisp :party:
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Thought I might as well add my dyno sheet after the remap.
2008 Audi TT 2.0tfsi K03
Current engine work- Stage 2 Revo, 3" TBE blueflame Zort, ITG big mother intake, Neuspeed power pulley, Neuspeed intercooler pipe, Colder grade spark plugs, rev D DV.
It has had a lot of other non dyno related work done to the car too.
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I must admit I think this dyno sheet is a little optimistic on the torque figure but the BHP seems about cock on really. I have changed the timing a lot since then and it has gained a lot more power through the rev range. Came away with the timing set to 2 and now is set to 5 and runs really well.
Only problem is the clutch started to slip just after 2K miles! It does seem to have a lot of torque in general so I don't think that dyno sheet is lying completely. Would be interested to hear some thoughts on this.
Next few mods- Upgraded clutch, Quaife diff, Intercooler, Upgraded HPFP, stage 2+.
Here is a couple pics of the intake as it really does look fantastic, a nice 5" bore intake!
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And couple pics of the car-
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That intake looks awesome and a proper Cold air filter. Where did you buy that from and how much? One like that may find its way on to my car :drool:
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That intake looks awesome and a proper Cold air filter. Where did you buy that from and how much? One like that may find its way on to my car :drool:
Thanks buddy! I've been hassling ITG for about a year to make one for the TT and when thinking about getting a kit for the TTRS they said they would like to use my car to figure out the various fitments that are needed for this. So the kit is now available to buy for a TT but I think the price tag is around £500! Definitely worth it, as you said it's a proper cold air intake now with a massive 5" bore! They redesigned the slam panel intake scoop to allow higher volumes of air too. ITG really have thought of everything and the kit really is a piece of art!
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BWA + k04 + MWI
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Are you ED 30 guys upgrading your hpfp's to reach 330bhp+ or is your cam, having a different fuel lobe, providing proper fuel pressure?
I've been trying to figure out how you all get your power with no mention of hpfp upgrades. Plus there doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with your cam followers wearing through like we have here in the states. I know that your Ed 30 intake cam has a larger fuel lobe on it and the hpfp is the same as our GTI. I want to replace my cams with the new golf R's cams, but should I go back to the oem hpfp to be able to once again get longer life from my followers? Right now with an APR hpfp I need to replace the follower every 10k miles due to wear.
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yea mine is a GTI, with a k04. But yes you have to upgrade your HPFP
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Right, GTI's need to do the hpfp upgrade, I meant to ask the Ed 30 guys if their cams having larger fuel lobes is enough. Trying to figure out if there is an otion to the hpfp upgrade. Can a GTI w/K04 simply switch the intake cam w/larger ED 30 lobe and the stock ED 30 hpfp give the same results.
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you just need to upgrade your fuel pump mate, that is it.
i am pushing 396BHP at the fly.
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@ ROH, the cams are the same as yours regarding the hpfp lobe, if the ed30/leon Cupra/S3 were different and giving higher pressure, they wouldn't be needing the rs4 fuel pressure valve :wink:
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RS4 Valve. One of the best mods Ive done :happy2:
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RS4 Valve. One of the best mods Ive done :happy2:
What difference did it actually make if you don't mind me asking? I was told is wasn't worth bothering with :stupid:
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allows you to have 134bar max is 130.
sorry ROH, was not reading what you was saying :stupid: lol
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allows you to have 134bar max is 130.
Just to be pedatantic the cracking pressure of the rs4 valve is 136 bar, not 134... :ashamed:
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allows you to have 134bar max is 130.
Just to be pedatantic the cracking pressure of the rs4 valve is 136 bar, not 134... :ashamed:
:happy2: all ways good to know the correct info :P
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So if you run out of fuel at 129 bar, how does have a fuel rail limit of 136 bar help anything?
Is the theory that you can run the pressure up to 136 so when it dips, it doesn't dip as far?
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I found that i suffered with the old 5200 rpm hesitation at times. With the rs4 valve fitted that has gone away and the power seems more smoother and more eager to go. Well worth the £36 i paid for it.
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So if you run out of fuel at 129 bar, how does have a fuel rail limit of 136 bar help anything?
Is the theory that you can run the pressure up to 136 so when it dips, it doesn't dip as far?
Reading what others have logged is that some cars dont make the actual 130 bar as the oe valve has opened causing a flat spot. So the rs4 valve doesnt open allowing the fuel rail pressure to stay at the requested pressure. Some have also shown it allows a more stable pressure from the low pressure pump.
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I found that i suffered with the old 5200 rpm hesitation at times. With the rs4 valve fitted that has gone away and the power seems more smoother and more eager to go. Well worth the £36 i paid for it.
I'm not saying I'm doubting what you experienced, but I can't quite get my head around what could mechanically could be happening that the valve corrects.
A spike in fuel pressure or continuous over pressure from the HPFP in a healthy fueling system would be created by software as fuel is injected into the rail by an ecu controlled valve in the HPFP.
The job of the FPLV is to open and dump pressure in the fuel rail if it exceeds 130 bar or whatever pressure the FPLV is designed to.
The FPLV is not electronically controlled and is just a manual pop off valve.
If you ask for 129 bar in the ECU the only ways from a parts failure I see fuel pressure going above 129 bar in the fuel rail is if the HPFP solenoid is damaged and the valve is behaving erratically, the return fails (clogged or collapsed or some such) or the injectors turn off unexpectedly or get clogged creating pressure to build as the ecu assumes they are firing and fuel is going into the cylinders, the HPLV itself or the high pressure sensor is bad.
I will see this first hand next week and hopefully I'll be able to see data that helps me understand exactly whats happening.
I'll get a RS4 LPFV and try a swap if all else fails first. I'll report back with what I find out. Hopefully it is a simple as 36 quid.
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So if you run out of fuel at 129 bar, how does have a fuel rail limit of 136 bar help anything?
Is the theory that you can run the pressure up to 136 so when it dips, it doesn't dip as far?
Reading what others have logged is that some cars dont make the actual 130 bar as the oe valve has opened causing a flat spot. So the rs4 valve doesnt open allowing the fuel rail pressure to stay at the requested pressure. Some have also shown it allows a more stable pressure from the low pressure pump.
Ok, that makes sense.
The HPLV is not working to spec as fitted standard.
Might as well replace it with the RS4 bit then unless its significantly more expensive than a later revision standard HPLV.
Is this isolated to SEAT's?
We've never had a problem when asking for 129 bar with the HPLV on other 2.0TFSI's.
Thank you!
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i put one on my car made the mid range far smoother, then rail was set to 134bar @ wot
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I will see this first hand next week and hopefully I'll be able to see data that helps me understand exactly whats happening.
I'll get a RS4 LPFV and try a swap if all else fails first. I'll report back with what I find out. Hopefully it is a simple as 36 quid.
This is from a previous posting (no fighting please because it's done using revo software)... :smiley:
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So you ED 30 people do have to upgrade your hpfp as well as opting to add the RS4 valve, correct?
Sorry, I began thinking that you didn't because there wasn't any mention of it being done really or being posted in sig - mods.
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you just need to upgrade your fuel pump mate, that is it.
i am pushing 396BHP at the fly.
What mods/remap got you there? WOW!
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@ ROH, the cams are the same as yours regarding the hpfp lobe, if the ed30/leon Cupra/S3 were different and giving higher pressure, they wouldn't be needing the rs4 fuel pressure valve :wink:
So then why do they have different versions for the S3, ED 30, and Cupra? I had heard that the difference was a slightly larger fuel lobe, but this is turning out to be incorrect info, yes?
S3 BHZ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Seat Cupra BWJ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Edition 30 BYD
Cylinder head complete 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Normal GTi BWA
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066C
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B
Normal GTi AXX
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066D
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B
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RS4 Valve. One of the best mods Ive done :happy2:
What difference did it actually make if you don't mind me asking? I was told is wasn't worth bothering with :stupid:
there is a difference in the valves on the gti, some allow 124 psi others up to 135 psi, it's a gamble whether yours allows the extra pressure of an uprated hpfp to stay or releases it, and at the same time the low fuel pressure also drops. so a mod worth doing IMO :happy2:
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So which RS4 valve should I get - B7?
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So which RS4 valve should I get - B7?
This. :smiley:
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So you ED 30 people do have to upgrade your hpfp as well as opting to add the RS4 valve, correct?
The addition of rs4 valve is optional when running a map that requests 130 bar and you should already have an uprated hpfp to provide the requested 130 bar.
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OK, thanks. I have the hpfp, but I don't have the RS4 valve. Should I log data and check if needed, or just go ahead with the rs4 valve install. Also, which lpfp should I replace the in-tank pump with if needed?
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The lpfp will be fine as standard.
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OK, thanks. I have the hpfp, but I don't have the RS4 valve. Should I log data and check if needed, or just go ahead with the rs4 valve install. Also, which lpfp should I replace the in-tank pump with if needed?
I would just change the valve.
Your in tank pump should be able to cope if it's ok atm as the valve just makes your hpfp work a little harder.
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So you ED 30 people do have to upgrade your hpfp as well as opting to add the RS4 valve, correct?
The addition of rs4 valve is optional when running a map that requests 130 bar and you should already have an uprated hpfp to provide the requested 130 bar.
Spot on
Some standard valves crack open too soon ie at 120-125 bar when the standard valve should be good to 130 bar. Therefore your map could be requesting 129.9 bar and your standard valve crack open too early and not make the requested fuel rail pressure required/requested by your map. Consequence of this happening? Probably pulling timing/boost and reducing power.
The RS4 valve will crack open at 136 bar, so making your 129.9 bar requested fuel pressure possible.
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So you ED 30 people do have to upgrade your hpfp as well as opting to add the RS4 valve, correct?
The addition of rs4 valve is optional when running a map that requests 130 bar and you should already have an uprated hpfp to provide the requested 130 bar.
+1 It allowed me to run higher rail pressure map upto 135bar 4000rpm onward, which gave me a better combustion and allowed a small window for more timing advance at the top end.
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Thank you all, ordering the rs4 valve now ;] Can't wait!
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Budget Remap
ITG maxogen induction kit
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Revo Stage 2 + 363BHP 345LB/FT
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Am i correct in reading your torque to be 430nm Mike? :confused:
You've lost 90nm :surprised:
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hmmm, not sure after being without the car for so long its hard to say if the butt dyno agrees but I wondered if chaanging from 2.75" Miltek to 3" BF w/de-Cat would be enough for such a torque drop
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I've had 3" since i went K04, so mine's making the 367bhp and 517nm on 3", do you know precisely what APR has changed? :smiley:
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your comparing two completely different dynos so you have to take it all with a pinch of salt.
For example stage 2+ REVO cars on JKMs DD rollers rarely see over 300lbft. Take them to another dyno and they'll see 380lbft!!!
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your comparing two completely different dynos so you have to take it all with a pinch of salt.
For example stage 2+ REVO cars on JKMs DD rollers rarely see over 300lbft. Take them to another dyno and they'll see 380lbft!!!
what about the power being the same?
All I know that was done Jake is replacement RS4 valve
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Here's my latest remap :laugh:
Revo stage 2+ (non linear throttle)
b9t5f6
Apr hpfp
Forge twintercooler
Itg maxogen
Milltek Tbe
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Dom, another forum member had their stg2+ upgraded to the same software as yours recently, made virtually identical curves and figures.
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Was it the red ed30 dave?
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I know people will be saying "get it on a dyno and find out" but was wondering what people think my power output should be as it doesn't seem as quick as maybe it should? I have had My Edition 30 for 2 weeks now, used to belong to Msportman on here. The car has the engine mods listed below...
3" Turbo back APR stealth exhaust with race cat
APR HPFP
K&N panel filter
Stage 2 APR remap with the latest software upgrade
I'm looking at a cold air filter kit at the mo to release a bit more power.
Cheers, Ash
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I know people will be saying "get it on a dyno and find out" but was wondering what people think my power output should be as it doesn't seem as quick as maybe it should? I have had My Edition 30 for 2 weeks now, used to belong to Msportman on here. The car has the engine mods listed below...
3" Turbo back APR stealth exhaust with race cat
APR HPFP
K&N panel filter
Stage 2 APR remap with the latest software upgrade
I'm looking at a cold air filter kit at the mo to release a bit more power.
Cheers, Ash
app. 310bhp and 440nm :smiley:
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Here's my latest remap :laugh:
Revo stage 2+ (non linear throttle)
b9t5f6
Apr hpfp
Forge twintercooler
Itg maxogen
Milltek Tbe
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Nice results pal, same revo settings as mine however i felt boost 8 is much *less spin on the wheels* Have you still got the DSG remap ? As it seems your power all the way to redline.
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I tried the b8t5f6 on the dyno day, made an extra 2bhp and 15lbft less torque, I've just left it on boost 8 since then as it does have less wheelspin. Dave overlAyed the 2 graphs on the day and it is quite surprising the difference the way the torque comes in. Yes it has a revo stage1 dsg map on
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I tried the b8t5f6 on the dyno day, made an extra 2bhp and 15lbft less torque, I've just left it on boost 8 since then as it does have less wheelspin. Dave overlAyed the 2 graphs on the day and it is quite surprising the difference the way the torque comes in. Yes it has a revo stage1 dsg map on
I've always found my car runs better on Boost 8 rather than 9. Is there any chance the two graphs could be posted up here mate as it would be interesting to see the difference between the two settings. :smiley:
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I only got an actual printout of the b9 graph, he overlAyed the graphs on the monitor.
I doubt dave will email me the graph, if he does read this he might print it out and I'll pop around and collect it :happy2:
Was also suprising when overlayed with a maual stage 2 car, the torque comes in a lot sooner compared to the manual
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Were the runs back to back dom? Just pop in and we will find them.
Actually I can get the data from the graph you posted above, will find it and post it up.
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Were the runs back to back dom? Just pop in and we will find them.
Actually I can get the data from the graph you posted above, will find it and post it up.
Cheers Dave :happy2:
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Were the runs back to back dom? Just pop in and we will find them.
Actually I can get the data from the graph you posted above, will find it and post it up.
Might be worth doing the Dsg vs manual if you have the time dave :wink: in the interst of science etc....
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I've had 3" since i went K04, so mine's making the 367bhp and 517nm on 3", do you know precisely what APR has changed? :smiley:
If I remember correctly, we only changed the RS4 FPLV for a new one. We were hunting a dip, didn't find one, so we didn't pursue any calibration changes.
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I've had 3" since i went K04, so mine's making the 367bhp and 517nm on 3", do you know precisely what APR has changed? :smiley:
If I remember correctly, we only changed the RS4 FPLV for a new one. We were hunting a dip, didn't find one, so we didn't pursue any calibration changes.
:happy2: Bizzare that.
There's always the possibility that the last Dyno operator manipulated the run to show a dip but it did make good power / torque on shootout mode.
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Latest RR sesh. Wanted to see what changing the timing from 3 to 5 has done. Extra 8 bhp and 18 lb/ft is the answer. Revo stage 1 running B6T5F5
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330bhp for Stage 1, on DD rollers?!?! :surprised: be good to see it on JKM's set up to see what difference there is mate..
Why did you have it running T3 by the way? :confused: Are there any other supporting mods (hardware)? Seem to remember you having a Twintercooler, or am I going mad? :stupid: :rolleye: :grin:
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330bhp for Stage 1, on DD rollers?!?! :surprised: be good to see it on JKM's set up to see what difference there is mate..
Why did you have it running T3 by the way? :confused: Are there any other supporting mods (hardware)? Seem to remember you having a Twintercooler, or am I going mad? :stupid: :rolleye: :grin:
Going to JKM in October so will be very interested to see what it does there for comparison. :smiley:
Ran on T3 to save the OE clutch. Had it changed 2 months ago so have upped the timing to see what it can do.
FP duty cycle at 91% now but it's running great so will leave it alone (for now) :happy2:
No you're not going mad - it just doesn't have the DP and HPFP needed for S2+ :grin:
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Couldn't beat this monster tho! 661 bhp through the rear wheels!
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VXR8 Bathurst S Edition. 6.2 litres of LS2 V8 power with a Supercharger bolted to it!
It has more power than my R at only 3200 rpm! Takes the biscuit that does :signLOL:
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I bet the torque curve on that 8 was flatter than a spirit level.. :surprised:
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I bet the torque curve in that 8 was flatter than a spirit level.. :surprised:
Over 500 lb/ft from 2700 rpm thru to 6700 rpm :surprised:
It was seriously loud too on arrival - till he pushed the black button to shut the silencer bypass valves :signLOL:
He said it went sideways on him recently in 5th when he mashed the throttle a little :grin:
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What GPM does he manage in it? :laugh:
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Had the Edition 30 mapped at PDT/Sedox performance in Sunderland and was very happy with the customer service and the results that came with it. Spent about 3 hours there talking to the lads whilst car was getting done, trying to get more info about what remapping is all about. couldnt be more helpfull and reassured me that if I had any issues/problems then they would be more than happy to help.
Custom stage 1 remap.
No modifications just standard Edition 30
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Cheers lads
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330bhp for Stage 1, on DD rollers?!?! :surprised: be good to see it on JKM's set up to see what difference there is mate..
Why did you have it running T3 by the way? :confused: Are there any other supporting mods (hardware)? Seem to remember you having a Twintercooler, or am I going mad? :stupid: :rolleye: :grin:
Thats exactly what i was thinking.... 330bhp?, mine is running 316bhp at stage 2 on Jabba's rollers, will be going to the JKM Dyno day in October so will see what JKM tell me ;-) if it comes in anywhere close to 310 I will be very happy :happy2:
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330bhp for Stage 1, on DD rollers?!?! :surprised: be good to see it on JKM's set up to see what difference there is mate..
Why did you have it running T3 by the way? :confused: Are there any other supporting mods (hardware)? Seem to remember you having a Twintercooler, or am I going mad? :stupid: :rolleye: :grin:
Thats exactly what i was thinking.... 330bhp?, mine is running 316bhp at stage 2 on Jabba's rollers, will be going to the JKM Dyno day in October so will see what JKM tell me ;-) if it comes in anywhere close to 310 I will be very happy :happy2:
If you are heading down there hoping for 310bhp on JKM's rollers you are going too have a your lip out on the way home mate.. You will do very well to make over 300bhp there unless Stage 2+..
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I made 310 on stage 2 @JKM... B8T5F7 with APR HPFP, BCS/Pipewerx 3" Exhaust with 200CEL cat, EVOMS...
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I made 310 on stage 2 @JKM... B8T5F7 with APR HPFP, BCS/Pipewerx 3" Exhaust with 200CEL cat, EVOMS...
Suppose it depends what Stage 2 we are talking about. Stage 2 could be all bolt ons (pump, intake, TBE the lot), or just be a sports cat + software..
Either way, you don't see many make high figures on the 'Heart Breaker'..
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Either way, you don't see many make high figures on the 'Heart Breaker'..
....I prefer to think of JKM as being towards realistic rather than a heart breaker. I would far rather that than see the absolutely ridiculous numbers which Superchips have been known for, for example.
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Hehe I guess we will just have to see what it does at JKM in October.
Running B9 T5 F7 now so not same settings as the 330 run...but I'd expect it to show similar at JKM regardless.
Will go to my usual DD place anyway at some point just to get a proper comparison. :happy2:
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Will go to my usual DD place anyway at some point just to get a proper comparison. :happy2:
....And really that's the only way (regarding rolling-roads) to meaningfully monitor and maintain a car's good health performance-wise IMO.
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They are very "consistent" Which is a good thing
After looking through most of the mk5 related days on JKM's website I did notice that the r32's were getting 225bhp ish which suggests they measure a tad lower than expected
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They are very "consistent" Which is a good thing
After looking through most of the mk5 related days on JKM's website I did notice that the r32's were getting 225bhp ish which suggests they measure a tad lower than expected
That might be down to them doing the runs in 2WD mode but hedge has been on there before I think with a R32 can't remember what numbers it made tho!
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It was piss poor Lee. Sounded epic mind.
As it's only a 2WD dyno pulling the fuse for the haldex causes awful amounts of drag.
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They are very "consistent" Which is a good thing
After looking through most of the mk5 related days on JKM's website I did notice that the r32's were getting 225bhp ish which suggests they measure a tad lower than expected
....JKM don't allow '4WD' cars like R32's on their rollers nowadays.
Usually JKM try and get a standard car on early so that its bhp plot provides a datum. So, for example, if a stock Ed30 is meant to run 230 bhp but runs 225 or 235 on the day then that's a yardstick for the rest of the runners. That's assuming the standard car is in good health.
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Well mine ran 267bhp in stock mode back in 2010 so I'm confident it'll do ok! :smiley:
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Well mine ran 267bhp in stock mode back in 2010 so I'm confident it'll do ok! :smiley:
....What's a stock Rocco R meant to run?
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Well mine ran 267bhp in stock mode back in 2010 so I'm confident it'll do ok! :smiley:
....What's a stock Rocco R meant to run?
261 bhp! :smiley:
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Just because a stock car runs stock figures on a dyno, doesn't always mean that the dyno is bang-on accurate.. I have lost count of the RR days I have been on and seen stock figures from a stock car and then laughable ones from a modded one..
I am with you RR with regards having a 'more realistic' figure for your car rather than the highest you can possibly get (regardless of how accurate it is).. But JKM is renowned for giving the lowest in the land for modded VAG cars on RR days. Isn't the highest Stage 2+ K04 car that has been run there still only 330bhp for example?
Also - call me cynical, but I have never known a RR venue find so many faults with cars that are run on their rollers.. :confused:
Also agree that the best way to record gains/losses/general heath of your car is to run it on the same rollers each time.. Best way by far.
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Hence RR days I just go for a bit of fun really I look at the curve lines more than anything.....
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Just because a stock car runs stock figures on a dyno, doesn't always mean that the dyno is bang-on accurate.. I have lost count of the RR days I have been on and seen stock figures from a stock car and then laughable ones from a modded one..
....I agree. I was meaning that it just gives a relative datum for the day rather than bang-on accurate. :happy2:
I am with you RR with regards having a 'more realistic' figure for your car rather than the highest you can possibly get (regardless of how accurate it is).. But JKM is renowned for giving the lowest in the land for modded VAG cars on RR days. Isn't the highest Stage 2+ K04 car that has been run there still only 330bhp for example?
Also agree that the best way to record gains/losses/general heath of your car is to run it on the same rollers each time.. Best way by far.
....Agreed on both :happy2:
Also - call me cynical, but I have never known a RR venue find so many faults with cars that are run on their rollers.. :confused:
....Then I'll call you cynical my friend on this occasion. I've never heard of JKM finding a fault on a Dyno-Day which didn't actually exist. Dyno-Days, as you know, are a great opportunity for a health check as well as a fun and social occasion.
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Hence RR days I just go for a bit of fun really I look at the curve lines more than anything.....
....Me too :happy2: It's all in the curves: The way her neck meets her bare shoulder and the soft progressive curve of her hips................ *cough*
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Finally got chance to get my Cupra on the rollers and i'm pretty happy with the result :smiley:
Thanks again Steve Jnr :happy2:
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Nice figures!
List of mods?
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Finally got chance to get my Cupra on the rollers and i'm pretty happy with the result :smiley:
Thanks again Steve Jnr :happy2:
I saw your car down there today and it looks well :happy2:
The water meth seems to help by the looks of things. :party:
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Nice figures!
List of mods?
Hi Dave,
To achieve these figures the car was running the following engine mods:
Revo Stage 2+ linear throttle map (latest revision)
Devil's Own WMI (dual nozzle setup using BSH TB pipe and USRT TB spacer)
THS intercooler
APR HPFP
RS4 fuel return valve
ITG intake
Milltek TBE with De-cat
There is probably a few other bits i've forgotten about.
Yep i'm very happy with the way its driving now :happy2:
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I saw your car down there today and it looks well :happy2:
The water meth seems to help by the looks of things. :party:
Thanks John :happy2:
Its a shame I missed you, I would have liked to have had a quick nosey at your new motor, it does look awesome in the pics!
Yep Steve Jnr has done a fine job fine tuning the WMI and Revo given the limited amount of time he had to work on it. I will hopefully be stopping by again in the near future for Steve to work he's magic and sqeeze a little more power out of it by upping the WMI nozzle sizes.
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Nice graph :drinking:
Just soes to show the difference WMI makes :drool:
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Stage 1 ED30
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523185_10151005160495882_973958029_n.jpg)
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Did Charlie have any comments about the run Rich??
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Nothing out of the ordinary Lee. Fuelling fine, and making good power and torque. He said some make 270 some make 300 so I'm happy with that. Same result as on rtech rollers So im confident that 289 is accurate. :-)
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Oh that's good then :happy2:
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.... Only think was heat soak on the 2nd run. But runs 1 and 3 made identical power. Could use an intercooler really but not gonna happen unless one comes up cheap.
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Car: Golf GTI TFSI
Tuner: R-Tech
Modifications: ITG Maxogen Intake, Pre-cat removed, DSG map and limiter increased.
Type of Dyno/operator R-Tech
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Completely changed the way the car feels when hitting the go/loud pedal.
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Car: 2006 Golf GTI TFSI
Tuner: R-Tech
Modifications: K&N Panel Filter
Type of Dyno/operator: R-Tech
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv442%2Fkhany%2FGTIsatge1.png&hash=4faf5219ac8eaef815d5ee78d532a0c40d56be9c)
Car feels really good on the road, the increase in midrange power & torque is fantastic.
Power tales off at top end possible weak acctuator.
Comparing to ADAM_ graph above seems like removing the pre-cat and addition of Induction kit makes a fair bit of difference. Although on my graph temp is stated as 17.3c and humidity 100%? not sure?
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^^ I got 248.1bhp and 311.2lb/ft torque from R-Tech stage 1, K&N panel & pre-cat removed :happy2:
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My latest dyno plot (K03, Revo Stage 2, Milltek TBE, Twintake, APR hpfp):
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2Ffile-10.jpg&hash=028a4ce4366bf012659d2e84a65db1c235d4fc67)
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Golf Mk5 GTi DSG
R-Tech custom remap with TiV code Stage1
Pre cat removed and Induction kits.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh252%2FRtechremaps%2Ftivmapping.jpg&hash=d2a026c87cfda24de598dd713f514dd342085e9b)
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Golf Mk5 GTi DSG
R-Tech custom remap with TiV code Stage1
Pre cat removed and Induction kits.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh252%2FRtechremaps%2Ftivmapping.jpg&hash=d2a026c87cfda24de598dd713f514dd342085e9b)
wow, nice flat torque curve there.. :party:
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APR Stage 2+
Keith is taking my car next week to improve the dip at high revs :notworthy:
Did you get another dyno plot after the dip was removed Mike?
Have you also got a graph of AFR's for the run and what was the WHP?
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I dont think his went back on DD rollers after the map tweak plus the D rollers dont give you the whp unless you specifically ask for it. He has a graph from the MAHA at Marlin Motorsport which has whp, but in typical MAHA fashion it doesnt marry up to what you would expect it to show, so i don't think that'll be of any use fr you either.
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I dont think his went back on DD rollers after the map tweak plus the D rollers dont give you the whp unless you specifically ask for it. He has a graph from the MAHA at Marlin Motorsport which has whp, but in typical MAHA fashion it doesnt marry up to what you would expect it to show, so i don't think that'll be of any use fr you either.
Booo. :laugh:
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Here's my graph courtesy of the lads at PDT!
Mods are full decat turbo back BCS powervalve exhaust, ITG maxogen intake, Autotech HPFP internals, RS4 fuel valve and stage 2 PDT software
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Here is mine. Stage 2 Shark map with ITG panel filter, EGR and DPF delete.
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I dont think his went back on DD rollers after the map tweak plus the D rollers dont give you the whp unless you specifically ask for it. He has a graph from the MAHA at Marlin Motorsport which has whp, but in typical MAHA fashion it doesnt marry up to what you would expect it to show, so i don't think that'll be of any use fr you either.
Booo. :laugh:
Pretty much.
Ill get back on DD at some point :happy2:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg380%2Fberg30%2Fberg_zps35e53915.jpg&hash=6c2377a50bb4609ecfc25d6f0f007679df08df8f)
my latest run at PDT in August 2012. had twintercooler fitted, revised revo map flashed and they found a boost leak too. Running B9/T6/F6.
How does the power delivery look from the curves as I know the peak power is pretty meaningless?
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here is mine
k04 with wmi
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Golf R DSG
GIAC Extreme map
GIAC DSG stage 3 map
Devil's Own WMI
Lowered the torque for better power....Compare to James's above and very similar power range. :smiley:
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1P Cupra:
ATP manifold
GTX3076R turbo
stock BWJ engine
Custom 3 inch intake
Custom 3 inch TB
THS IC
RS 4 injectors
Eboost 2
REVO SW stage 4
WMI
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Blimey jake.
That's a hell of a lot on a stock engine.
Must be fun to drive.
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Golf R DSG
GIAC Extreme map
GIAC DSG stage 3 map
Devil's Own WMI
Lowered the torque for better power....Compare to James's above and very similar power range. :smiley:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Ff443b826c35f53d1b014a4fffc504449_zpsad132914.jpg&hash=9045745d13b71e23e1482ecbd91c6aa9c02be519)
Identical plot to james 378hp dyno dynamics run. Like you said hold boost back a tad in the midrange and make up with timing from aided by the WMi then it allows for much better top end power. Great results :-)
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Blimey jake.
That's a hell of a lot on a stock engine.
Must be fun to drive.
I assisted in logging it a couple of times, 5th gear pull it made wheelspin at 190 km/h. At the time it had 475bhp :stupid: insane car, but fun though :party:
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Love it Jake. Now all you need is a 4 WD conversion :wink:
Very similar outputs to what Steve at Statllers has. I've been driving his car for 4 days and I can vouch for the power level. Superb performance. :drool:
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Love it Jake. Now all you need is a 4 WD conversion :wink:
Very similar outputs to what Steve at Statllers has. I've been driving his car for 4 days and I can vouch for the power level. Superb performance. :drool:
It's a cupra Hurdy, not mine i'm afraid :sad1:
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Love it Jake. Now all you need is a 4 WD conversion :wink:
Very similar outputs to what Steve at Statllers has. I've been driving his car for 4 days and I can vouch for the power level. Superb performance. :drool:
It's a cupra Hurdy, not mine i'm afraid :sad1:
Ahh, I was thinking more Cupra engine than car LOL.
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My 2.0 TSI VRS, Shark Stage 2:
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Had mine on the rollers yesterday...
Edition 30 DSG
BCS Turbo back - Sports Cat
ITG/Pump
THS Intercooler
RS4 FPRV
It's on Revo Stage 2+ software and a Revo Stage 2 box map, I'll check what settings the Revo is at.
The results were 323bhp and 336lb/ft. Which is pretty much the same as what it made on JKM's rollers when H4RDY had it, so fairly happy! Proper smooth graph and it drives really nice on the road!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fz325%2Ftripod_tings%2F90BB4CD7-1AB8-432F-A455-5F3555687B90-1357-0000007F04EB5E6D_zpsea0030f1.jpg&hash=24fa74cce63560395e3a2ccb9d0a7ea338dbc670)
Aswell, my mate had his car on..
GTI K03 manual
APR Turbo back
Neuspeed
APR Stage 2 software
Forge Twintercooler
The results were surprising, 260bhp bit 390lb/ft! We logged the boost on the dyno and it spikes 31psi! You can see the graph is very peaky then drops off straight away, didnt think APR would be like that? It will be ready to pop a turbo or bend a rod!
Here's his graph..
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What do you guys think to this? I'm surprised how high Bhp has gone for stage 1. :/ I'm not sure if it seems right
Golf GTI ko3
Custom induction kit
Milltek cat back
Stage 1 software from shark performance.
Vpower
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R-Tech custom remap
Rev G valve, 3" Decat d/pipe
260bhp and 324FtLB! - was a hot day too.
Feedback/ comments welcome - is that torque really right?
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612awhp today
Forgot to make a picture :(
TEFF
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612awhp today
Forgot to make a picture :(
TEFF
Picssssssssss!!!!! :party:
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Have you posted your dyno graph up yet hurdy?
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Have you posted your dyno graph up yet hurdy?
:party:
Nope, but I'll show you my time slip tomorrow! :wink:
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R-Tech custom remap
Rev G valve, 3" Decat d/pipe
260bhp and 324FtLB! - was a hot day too.
Feedback/ comments welcome - is that torque really right?
I was thinking the same thing . Had my car done at r tech yesterday and it ended up pulling 251bhp and 318 torque with no mods on the car . I'll post up my graph later hopefully
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Golf GTI mk5 Stage 1 (AXX)
Modifications:Rev G, neuspeed p-flo intake, helix clutch and flywheel
Results: 267bhp and 324ftlb highest stage 1 yet :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fy470%2FTwiggymk5%2FIMG_4319_zps1ed4a6ef.jpg&hash=8cd2f60c4829d7e2f1843153920d4073ad5fba18)
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Thought I'd put my latest graph up from R-Tech a few weeks back;
Mods are:
BCS downpipe + Milltek non-res catback
MTC Intake and ITG filter
Custom PCV plate and catch can
Airtec intercooler
Revo throttle pipe
Autotech fuel pump internals
Custom DSG map
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It might make it to 360bhp if Nick can get the DSG to allow it to rev past 6800rpm in manual mode as it looks to still be climbing
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Need to find 7300rpm!!! Lol
But for now the launch will keep you happy and dizzy... :-)
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Mine on 99 ron with WMI....L0400.
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Need to find 7300rpm!!! Lol
But for now the launch will keep you happy and dizzy... :-)
Would love to see the rest of the curves once it revs past 6500rpm!
That and maybe some added meth will see a some higher figures!
Can't believe it makes the same torque as yours Hurdy with the loba, but saying that yours at 2+ was very similar peak torque figures, it (the loba) holds it slightly better now. Would be good to see what yours makes if you have Nick tweak it
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Smaller fast tubo tend to make higher peak numbers due to the 5252 rule.
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Thought I'd share my results from switching over to Driver Mototrsport tuning this weekend. I ended up with +29whp and +45wtq over my previous K04 tuning with APR. This chart shows both APR and DM run on back to back days on a Dyno Dynamics rig.
S3 K04
S3 injectors
APR HPFP
Eurojet FMIC with turbo discharge and throttle body pipes
BSH intake
BSH catch can
Milltek TBE with hi-flow cat
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs64%2FTH3_FRB%2FAPR-DM-K04copy_zpsb6c8e12f.jpg&hash=7c7fd0c83a06d2e599bb6f860ce9fccd93c2e54d)
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Revo stage 2+
Revo DSG remap
Revo Intake
S3 Intercooler
Autotech hpfp upgrade
Miltek 3" TB decat
Badger5 dyno is losing 16% on the torque.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvrsexy%2FBig_Ed%2F3c9fc8bd-4e82-454a-a75f-99612f4bcc35_zps01ba1601.jpg&hash=207327d5bdb200225780305e86f03efa0025f8b2)
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What do you mean by "losing 16% in the torque"?
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What do you mean by "losing 16% in the torque"?
It should be 360lbs of torque as he says it reads 16 % less,he knows his stuff so never queried why
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heres my dyno graph
2010 Golf R (DSG)
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AFR not showing on print out, however it remained steady at 11.
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Mine from yesterday :happy2:
BWA 2006 GTI
EvoMS CAI
Rev G DV
PCV revamp
R-Tech TIV Custom Stage-1 map - Peak 257bhp and 326ft-lb
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft632%2FAndy-SP%2FTheColonelR-TechStage1maplowqualityjpeg_zps7dd3003a.jpg&hash=106a6dd78b7592e3b0bc9768d9850509bd4fece0)
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326 wheel TQ on a K03 with stock IC and exhaust? That's pretty damn stout.
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326 wheel TQ on a K03 with stock IC and exhaust? That's pretty damn stout.
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Yeh Im surprised as well, Rtech Nick really knows his mapping. You can really feel the torque as well all the way through the rev range :driver:
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Start saving for a new clutch. I'm a bit over that and mine is toast.
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Mines a DSG so a pair of clutches wont be cheap...
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DSG will likely hold better so you may be okay.
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Keeping my fingers crossed, might get the DSG mapped anyhow just in case
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Mines a DSG so a pair of clutches wont be cheap...
You wont need new DSG clutch packs unless you go near 500bhp.
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Phew! :happy2:
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My mk2 Leon Cupra stage 2+ (372.8bhp/337.8lbft)
Stage 2+ Revo software
Revo ceramic intake
3" miltek turbo back "cupra R" race system, 100 cell cat
Rs4 valve
Autotech hpfp
Pro Alloy fmic
R8 coilpacks
This graph was run with my old Evoms intake fitted
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My Golf R on low boost request (1.55 bar )
HTA 3071 turbo
GIAC BT file
Lots of mods.
99 ron V-Power Nitro
Running restricted torque controlled through the duty cycle of the electronic boost controller.
460+ bhp at 6700rpm and would have climbed much higher! :evilgrin:
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
Does it really need to with that power :signLOL:
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
Got to leave a little in reserve for later Rich. If you look at how quickly it is still gaining power, you get an idea of what power is at the redline. :wink:
Remember too, when comparing to other dyno's, Statllers bhp output is less than a Dynapack reading at the wheels! :jumping:
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
Does it really need to with that power :signLOL:
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
Got to leave a little in reserve for later Rich. If you look at how quickly it is still gaining power, you get an idea of what power is at the redline. :wink:
Remember too, when comparing to other dyno's, Statllers bhp output is less than a Dynapack reading at the wheels! :jumping:
yeah yeah yeah :chicken: ... but why doesnt the dyno plot go to the red line? I presume you have DSG map so it should dyno up to the limiter
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
7450 Rich. :happy2: plenty in the top end yet. :wink:
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Doesn't yours rev to ~7400 hurdy?
7450 Rich. :happy2: plenty in the top end yet. :wink:
What do we want? Top end. When do we want it..... In a bit! :signLOL:
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Just for you Rich. :love:
Dynapack Dyno - AET Motorsport
511bhp - 465whp. 385wlbft - 404lbft.
99ron V-Power Nitro
1.77bar boost setting.
GIAC Stage 3 BT file in pump mode
(https://v4s2.yimg.com/so/7393/12933718045_079d8bf577_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/119406035@N07/12933718045/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/119406035@N07/12933718045/) by john.hurditch (http://www.flickr.com/people/119406035@N07/), on Flickr
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New graph as of last week. Up 9bhp and 20lbft of torque since last time so pretty pleased with that.
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Car: VW Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings stage 1 remap from Wak-TT.com
Modifications No other engine mods
Type of Dyno/operator Cartec/MRC tuning
miscellaneous details
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Car: Skoda Octavia vRS.
Modifications: K04 conversion, 3"TBE & Decat, APR HPFP, BDM Intake, S3 I/C, Sachs clutch & Unicorn custom map, S3 brakes, AP coilovers, THS mounts.
Type of Dyno/operator: RS Tuning, Leeds. Dyno Dynamics.
Tuner: Unicorn
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Good numbers there Martin. :happy2:
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Car: seat leon cupra k1 2.0 tfsi
Tuner: niki r-tech stage 2+
Mods: full miltek,ths cooler, autotech pump internal, revo induction, cts discharge pipe, revo throttle pipe, nology spark plugs,
Dyno: r-tech dyno
Power: 374bhp 413ftlb
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Good number there. If i were you I would bin the nology plugs, they can cause electric gremlins to appear and coilpacks to fail
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Seat leon Cupra 2.0tfsi
R-tech stage 2+
Full piper 3" turbo back exhaust/decat, autotech HPFP, Revo ceramic intake.
357bhp 369lbft
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Interesting seeing that 4th gear is used by many dyno users. I thought 5th gear was the closest ratio to 1:1??
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Mk 5 golf gti, Cupra BWJ engine, CTS cast manifold, Precision 5558 turbo, REVO stage 4 software
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When will the TTE Cupra be done :party:
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Mk6 golf R
APR stage 2+
Evoms intake
Loba hpfp
Bcs downpipe and sports cat
310hp at the wheels so about 365bhp at the engine
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When will the TTE Cupra be done :party:
I think Brian has it booked in next week :)
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Mk6 golf R
APR stage 2+
Evoms intake
Loba hpfp
Bcs downpipe and sports cat
310hp at the wheels so about 365bhp at the engine
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Why the dip above 6 k and the back up again? :confused:
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Mk6 golf R
APR stage 2+
Evoms intake
Loba hpfp
Bcs downpipe and sports cat
310hp at the wheels so about 365bhp at the engine
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Big dip in power and torque there mate?? Have u tried logging or had it checked over?
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Stage 2+ edition 30 with latest Revo update
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270 at the wheels, 365 at the crank? That's some major loses there? 35-45 is normal depending on gearbox type. Your showing 95!
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270 at the wheels, 365 at the crank? That's some major loses there? 35-45 is normal depending on gearbox type. Your showing 95!
That was a run I did earlier on in the year, latest run is at bottom of image :happy2:
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Oh yeah! Couldn't see that earlier for some reason.
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Mk6 golf R
APR stage 2+
Evoms intake
Loba hpfp
Bcs downpipe and sports cat
310hp at the wheels so about 365bhp at the engine
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Why the dip above 6 k and the back up again? :confused:
Think the DSG scared him lol will be going on a 4wd dyno next month
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Could be where he knocks it out of gear?
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I thought the idea with DSG was stick it in manual and floor it and this would give you the rev range to complete the dyno run?
Or is the other issues regarding the DSG with it changing up?
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I thought the idea with DSG was stick it in manual and floor it and this would give you the rev range to complete the dyno run?
Or is the other issues regarding the DSG with it changing up?
It is! That isn't a gear change, or slip.
The dip doesn't look right. Need to log it and see what reduces. Might be boost dropping slightly and then going back
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When will the TTE Cupra be done :party:
I think Brian has it booked in next week :)
Have I read on here that you are using revo on it?
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Stage 2+ edition 30 with latest Revo update
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Is this a recent revo update to 2+
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When will the TTE Cupra be done :party:
I think Brian has it booked in next week :)
Have I read on here that you are using revo on it?
Yes, it has REVO stage 2+ and will use that for the TTE 420 turbo :happy2:
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Stage 2+ edition 30 with latest Revo update
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Is this a recent revo update to 2+
No idea how recent it is. I was advised to get an update by statllers. When I phoned Revo, they said I had revision 5, they were currently on revision 12 for my car, so he also advised me to get it done.
Graph shows old stage 2+ with 5 week old vpower in the tank. The latest run was same settings, latest revision, and car had just been serviced
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So there are multiple revo stage 2+ versions.
If you already have revo stage 2+ are revo allowing upgrades to the latest version if applicable ?
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K03 gti
Shark stage 2 remap
Forge twintake
Miltek non res full tbe with 200cell sports cat
Revised dv valve
Not very good at interpreting the results if anyone can help out, I believe this graph is at the wheels which translates to ~250bhp, BUT he did say the env temp was 26 degrees so add ~ 10% hp to compensate. So we reckon 270 Bhp :happy2:
Can anyone make sense of the torque for me, doesn't seem right!
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Can anyone make sense of the torque for me, doesn't seem right!
Looks like it's calibrated in Nm although it written lb ft on the printout.
490Nm equates to around 361lb ft
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Can anyone make sense of the torque for me, doesn't seem right!
Looks like it's calibrated in Nm although it written lb ft on the printout.
490Nm equates to around 361lb ft
Thanks mate, that makes perfect sense! How does the graph look otherwise?
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Seat Leon Cupra, TTE420, BCS powervalve 3", Evoms, S3 IC, 1,5 Bar boost, Real EGT 850 Celsius
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Crank or wheel hp??
Who tuned it?
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Crank or wheel hp??
Who tuned it?
Built by BNAutoteknik.dk as it states on the graph, crank
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Sorry, didn't realise they were actually tuning it.
The numbers seem low for the tte setup. Is there a reason behind that?
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Sorry, didn't realise they were actually tuning it.
The numbers seem low for the tte setup. Is there a reason behind that?
Think it works out at 385bhp 385lb/ft.
On a Revo 2+ tune and that boost I'd say that's a very good figure, more boost and a bespoke map would see over 400bhp I'm sure and a lot better torque/power spread than a standard K04, it's not all about peak figures is it.
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Sorry, didn't realise they were actually tuning it.
The numbers seem low for the tte setup. Is there a reason behind that?
Think it works out at 385bhp 385lb/ft.
On a Revo 2+ tune and that boost I'd say that's a very good figure, more boost and a bespoke map would see over 400bhp I'm sure and a lot better torque/power spread than a standard K04, it's not all about peak figures is it.
I didn't know it was still running the revo 2+ software. That's why I asked who was tuning it. I wouldn't have bothered making comment if I knew it was only on the revo file.
So in other words, when it actually gets tuned properly it should be doing some impressive figures.
I was interested to know as my k04 setup is maxed out and would like to upgrade to the tte420. The torque spread is nice, be nice to see what happens with a good custom tune to the top end. The k04 feels lacking at higher revs, which is what the tte should solve
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Sorry, didn't realise they were actually tuning it.
The numbers seem low for the tte setup. Is there a reason behind that?
Think it works out at 385bhp 385lb/ft.
On a Revo 2+ tune and that boost I'd say that's a very good figure, more boost and a bespoke map would see over 400bhp I'm sure and a lot better torque/power spread than a standard K04, it's not all about peak figures is it.
I didn't know it was still running the revo 2+ software. That's why I asked who was tuning it. I wouldn't have bothered making comment if I knew it was only on the revo file.
So in other words, when it actually gets tuned properly it should be doing some impressive figures.
I was interested to know as my k04 setup is maxed out and would like to upgrade to the tte420. The torque spread is nice, be nice to see what happens with a good custom tune to the top end. The k04 feels lacking at higher revs, which is what the tte should solve
What power/boost are you at with your K04?
That TTE420 Graph is only a 1.5 bar peak too and EGT's are high but not massively high for a K04. So I'd say there's a good bit to come with mapping, more boost and meth.
When I had my BBT hybrid I made 391bhp 385lb/ft at 1.65/1.7 bar peak and meth with a R Tech custom file, so this TTE420 looks promising.
I'll upload a pic of my graph, it had a nice power and torque curve.
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Spec was..
Edition 30 BYD engine
BBT hybrid
3" BCS decat turbo back
ITG
LOBA pump
CTS discharge pipe
Revo throttle pipe
THS cooler
Meth
You might not think it's massive power, but it all depends on the rollers too, to put it into perspective Hurdys Golf R on a LOBA 400 turbo, meth, boost controller and 2 bar + spike made 400bhp 390lb/ft on the same dyno. So mine was good in comparison, especially on lower boost.
Torque and power are held quite nice, she sure was fast on the road too, 100-200kmh in circa mid to low 8 seconds.
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Spec was..
Edition 30 BYD engine
BBT hybrid
3" BCS decat turbo back
ITG
LOBA pump
CTS discharge pipe
Revo throttle pipe
THS cooler
Meth
You might not think it's massive power, but it all depends on the rollers too, to put it into perspective Hurdys Golf R on a LOBA 400 turbo, meth, boost controller and 2 bar + spike made 400bhp 390lb/ft on the same dyno. So mine was good in comparison, especially on lower boost.
Torque and power are held quite nice, she sure was fast on the road too, 100-200kmh in circa mid to low 8 seconds.
Now that's some nice curves you got, for a man that is ;)
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Had my first Dyno run this aft, standard GTI with Carbonio and Pipercross panel filter fitted.
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Spec was..
Edition 30 BYD engine
BBT hybrid
3" BCS decat turbo back
ITG
LOBA pump
CTS discharge pipe
Revo throttle pipe
THS cooler
Meth
You might not think it's massive power, but it all depends on the rollers too, to put it into perspective Hurdys Golf R on a LOBA 400 turbo, meth, boost controller and 2 bar + spike made 400bhp 390lb/ft on the same dyno. So mine was good in comparison, especially on lower boost.
Torque and power are held quite nice, she sure was fast on the road too, 100-200kmh in circa mid to low 8 seconds.
My k04 setup is doing 1.7 bar peak, no meth and 360ps on a slow 6th gear pull. That's on a cartec dyno which are known for not being optimistic (not implying anything!)
I'm looking forward to seeing what the TTE setup can do in the right tuners hands. Seems to be flowing nicely even at 1.5 bar
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R-tech stage 2+ (1.5 bar peak) 280 bhp 355 lbft (ko3)
BCS 3" sport turbo back (sport cat down pipe)
REVO intake
LOBA HPFP
Airtec stage 2 intercooler + hoses
R8 coil packs
New rev G
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Visit to R-Tech this morning.
Made 261 from stock of 198, with the following performance mods
Turbo back stainless steel exhaust with sports cat
Revo air intake system
And OMG! It's awesome, the response and power improvements are unreal
Also had the DSG mapped too, one very happy chappie.
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The test drive felt very nice..... fmic and hpfp next... :signLOL:
The graph look a little different to others as from Monday we started to use a the eddy brake graphs for the dyno runs on long strong hard runs, which we can repeatable carry out non stop no we have the wind tunnel set finished.
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The test drive felt very nice..... fmic and hpfp next... :signLOL:
The graph look a little different to others as from Monday we started to use a the eddy brake graphs for the dyno runs on long strong hard runs, which we can repeatable carry out non stop no we have the wind tunnel set finished.
Well ya never know Nick! hopefully it wont be a 3 hour drive to see ya next time
Thanks for waiting for me and many thanks again for today
Andy
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Car: 2007 Golf GTI Edition 30
tuner/stage/settings: R-Tech stage 1.5
Modifications: Pipercross Panel Filter, Pipewerx 3in Downpipe & 200CEL sports cat
Type of Dyno/operator: Bosch (don't know model number :laugh:)
miscellaneous details: ambient temp 12.8 degrees. Dyno used with brake for slower sweep (gives flatter torque)
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summary:
Fuel economy improved, more responsive. 1:1 linear throttle mapping, traction control mapping included.
Inlet cam tuning used to aid turbo spool in mid-range.
Very linear delivery to help traction
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Had my taxi on the rollers yesterday, chuffed with the result..
Spec..
Octavia VRS TFSI
Pipewerx 3" downpipe
Neuspeed intake
Unicorn stage 2 custom remap
Obviously all new DV, PCV etc.
261bhp 334lb/ft - I'm happy with that considering the mods.
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Had my taxi on the rollers yesterday
Dave 'shorty' W??
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Had my taxi on the rollers yesterday
Dave 'shorty' W??
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Yes dude?
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Had my taxi on the rollers yesterday
Dave 'shorty' W??
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Yes dude?
Haha.... Theres only one shorty - Its Franco
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Popped R-tech yesterday,
So R-tech stage 2+ and DSG mapping
Mk5 Edition 30 - 362.8 bhp / 388.65 FT*LB
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Great curves :notworthy:
Just holds the power right across the top of the Rev range :surprised:
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Damn.....1 more pony than mine! :wink:
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Though would post mine
ED30 DSG
Revo S2+
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Leon FR 2.0 TFSI, K04, Loba hpfp, RS4 fpv, S3 injectors, Forge twin take, Forge twincooler, Full milltek exhaust, Forge dump valve, Revo stage 3 remap
Revo settings: B8 T3 F8
I havent been on dyno, but if I can believe my maf readings, I have between 300 and 310 bhp. It must go up ! :D when I put settings to 969
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Leon FR 2.0 TFSI, K04, Loba hpfp, RS4 fpv, S3 injectors, Forge twin take, Forge twincooler, Full milltek exhaust, Forge dump valve, Revo stage 3 remap
Revo settings: B8 T3 F8
I havent been on dyno, but if I can believe my maf readings, I have between 300 and 310 bhp. It must go up ! :D when I put settings to 969
You're running stage 3 Revo and are expecting them results with supporting mods?
stage2+ produces 360 on settings B9 T5 F7
Did your tuner not have a dyno? You should get it on there!
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Leon FR 2.0 TFSI, K04, Loba hpfp, RS4 fpv, S3 injectors, Forge twin take, Forge twincooler, Full milltek exhaust, Forge dump valve, Revo stage 3 remap
Revo settings: B8 T3 F8
I havent been on dyno, but if I can believe my maf readings, I have between 300 and 310 bhp. It must go up ! :D when I put settings to 969
You're running stage 3 Revo and are expecting them results with supporting mods?
stage2+ produces 360 on settings B9 T5 F7
Did your tuner not have a dyno? You should get it on there!
There's 2 different revo stage 2+ mind you; 1 for the cars having a K04 as standard and showing 360bhp. The one for non K04 but K03 equipped as Jasam is for K03 and shows 280bhp for 2+. Jasam has REVO stage 3 for non OEM equipped K04 cars and has potential for same 360 bhp depending on hardware setup, but will be limited in torque due to his weaker conrods :)
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Leon Cupra 1P:
Built engine
Tubular manifold
Garret GTX3076R
REVO Stage 5
Eboost2
GFB DV+
1,79 Bar boost
Built by BNA Performance
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Glad I sold mine now I wouldn't of been having that happen on the forum lol
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Glad I sold mine now I wouldn't of been having that happen on the forum lol
What happen? :)
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Do you plan to install and dyno the dynotech headers and cats as well for comparision against the ARH??
Tony
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2010 Golf R MK6 DSG
99ron fuel only
Pump map
GIAC Stage 3 mapping.
Nortech BT kit and supporting hardware for fuelling etc.
Power is at the flywheel.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2F3EED3BDE-1C11-4AD0-990B-BCD9F85C0727_zpsjn9axsar.jpg&hash=aad273e2994ce8d8faf7ac2990739cdae9b950e5)
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Yikes. :evilgrin:
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Mk5 Gti with K03, the original values of 219HP/226ft/lbs (in red) were without the remap, but with the Evoms intake and 3" downpipe and sports-cat fitted. A new Autotech fuel pump was fitted along with cam follower, remap also included the DSG, what a different car, very useable power.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf183%2FGilesthedog%2FStage2_remap_zpsbunndnvp.jpg&hash=c03b380f4b51517367cb913d3ac8a635ab04d49b)
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Leon FR 2.0 TFSI, K04, Loba hpfp, RS4 fpv, S3 injectors, Forge twin take, Forge twincooler, Full milltek exhaust, Forge dump valve, Revo stage 3 remap
Revo settings: B8 T3 F8
I havent been on dyno, but if I can believe my maf readings, I have between 300 and 310 bhp. It must go up ! :D when I put settings to 969
You're running stage 3 Revo and are expecting them results with supporting mods?
stage2+ produces 360 on settings B9 T5 F7
Did your tuner not have a dyno? You should get it on there!
There's 2 different revo stage 2+ mind you; 1 for the cars having a K04 as standard and showing 360bhp. The one for non K04 but K03 equipped as Jasam is for K03 and shows 280bhp for 2+. Jasam has REVO stage 3 for non OEM equipped K04 cars and has potential for same 360 bhp depending on hardware setup, but will be limited in torque due to his weaker conrods :)
yes, I have k03 car (leon fr) but now is k04, and other mods... and 300 bhp average on maf readings. Thats seems low isnt it? what can be reason.. I have all hardware required from revo stage 3 recommendations
sorry for bad english
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Leon FR 2.0 TFSI, K04, Loba hpfp, RS4 fpv, S3 injectors, Forge twin take, Forge twincooler, Full milltek exhaust, Forge dump valve, Revo stage 3 remap
Revo settings: B8 T3 F8
I havent been on dyno, but if I can believe my maf readings, I have between 300 and 310 bhp. It must go up ! :D when I put settings to 969
You're running stage 3 Revo and are expecting them results with supporting mods?
stage2+ produces 360 on settings B9 T5 F7
Did your tuner not have a dyno? You should get it on there!
There's 2 different revo stage 2+ mind you; 1 for the cars having a K04 as standard and showing 360bhp. The one for non K04 but K03 equipped as Jasam is for K03 and shows 280bhp for 2+. Jasam has REVO stage 3 for non OEM equipped K04 cars and has potential for same 360 bhp depending on hardware setup, but will be limited in torque due to his weaker conrods :)
yes, I have k03 car (leon fr) but now is k04, and other mods... and 300 bhp average on maf readings. Thats seems low isnt it? what can be reason.. I have all hardware required from revo stage 3 recommendations
sorry for bad english
Does seems very low. Where you get turbo from? You running revo?
Need to post some vagcom logs.
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Revo stage 3.
maf readings 285-300 bhp depending on temperature.
here is last log , coments are welcome
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=58174470713185061800
Here is also fuel rail pressure logged : http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=63057323356790037569
Mods
k04
forge twincooler
forge twin take
loba hpfp internals
s3 injectors
Full miltek, decat
forge dv
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Car:-Seat Leon Cupra R (mk2)
Tuner/stage/settings:-Big Fish tuning/stage 1/unknown settings
Modifications:- None really
Type of dyno/operator:-vtech dyno/Big fish tuning
Misc:- standard map was running +5.3deg timing advance which I believe was holding the car back slightly,
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz286%2Flajohnz%2Fimage_19.jpeg&hash=e1b4f3591860139b3b04bb841bfdf9725c26d2e2)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fzz286%2Flajohnz%2Fimage_20.jpeg&hash=db27c8711d8dfad18ca41e2dceecfa8c7359cf2f)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lh0556007dbhhba/Seat%20Leon%202.0%20TFSi%20265-304bhp%20%2B110nm%20Torque.pdf?dl=0
Never used Dropbox before so hopefully the graph works
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It seems my maf readings are not showing correct power. It shows around 300 bhp. I tried with other 300, 330 bhp cars (also manual gearbox) and my engine must have around 330ish bhp. I have twintake. Strange , because other cars with same inlet, showed correct power on maf
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Mk5 gti
Revo stage 2+
B8:T5:F6
Revo Intake
Decat downpipe with standard catback
Autotech HPFP
R8 coils
Airtec stage 2 intercooler
Really chuffed! :jumpmove:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMobile_Uploads%2F2016-02%2FBE6977D0-1E43-452A-9F0D-17F1D53762F9.jpg&hash=5729f847141dbcb9071ad80f7faaf4c770260fe2)
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Mk5 Golf GTI Edition 30 DSG
MB Power custom remap
Engine mods:- ITG Profilter panel filter (WB586)
- OEM airbox lower face insulated with heat insulation tape
- Darkside Developments S3 uprated IC with alloy end tanks and silicone boost hoses
- NGK Iridium BKR7EIX spark plugs
- R8 red ignition coil pack set
- LOBA's HPFP
- RS4 fuel pressure regulator valve
- CTS Turbo intake manifold runner flap delete kit
- CTS Turbo throttle pipe
- CTS Turbo turbo outlet pipe
- Forge Motorsport oil catch tank system for vehicles with charcoal filter (FMMK5CTC)
- Creations Motorsport Exhaust manifold heat shield
- BCS Powervalve TBE Prestige system with 200 cell cat and wrapped DP
- Vibra-Technics bottom engine mount/Subframe mount (VAG520M)
- Vibra-Technics dogbone mount (VAG455B)
- DSG remap to allow more torque
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2F2._MB_Power_1.jpg&hash=f534d0677ebcc9370d3b5b539eda4e13033cf25f)
It now has 330 BHP and 457 Nm/337 lbf*ft, with 1,5 bar of peak boost and 1,4 bar of stable boost.
The numbers seem to be similar to other tuners stage 2. I'm waiting for a map more like a stage 2+. Not sure if the lack of a CAI will hinder my desire. For this level of tune the OEM airbox is enough.
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2.0litre TSFI
Loba 10.5:1 forged pistons
PEC steel rods with ARP bolts
ACL race bearing big end bearings
Balance shaft removal
Stock head, valves, cams
1.8T oil filter conversion with external cooler kit
S3 injectors
K04 race developed hybrid
PWR charge cooler
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fjj218%2Ftominator229%2Fcid_2C9EB0F7-D06E-4097-B9A7-321F75069845_zpsv2vudcux.jpg&hash=8197c04254da128980a448291c49064af464ac70)
custom map for linear power for lightweight vehicle, turbo at 1.7 bar
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2.0litre TSFI
Loba 10.5:1 forged pistons
PEC steel rods with ARP bolts
ACL race bearing big end bearings
Balance shaft removal
Stock head, valves, cams
1.8T oil filter conversion with external cooler kit
S3 injectors
K04 race developed hybrid
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fjj218%2Ftominator229%2Fcid_2C9EB0F7-D06E-4097-B9A7-321F75069845_zpsv2vudcux.jpg&hash=8197c04254da128980a448291c49064af464ac70)
custom map for linear power for lightweight vehicle, turbo at 1.7 bar
400bhp Exige??! I bet that's one hell of a drive.
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2.0litre TSFI
Loba 10.5:1 forged pistons
PEC steel rods with ARP bolts
ACL race bearing big end bearings
Balance shaft removal
Stock head, valves, cams
1.8T oil filter conversion with external cooler kit
S3 injectors
K04 race developed hybrid
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fjj218%2Ftominator229%2Fcid_2C9EB0F7-D06E-4097-B9A7-321F75069845_zpsv2vudcux.jpg&hash=8197c04254da128980a448291c49064af464ac70)
custom map for linear power for lightweight vehicle, turbo at 1.7 bar
400bhp Exige??! I bet that's one hell of a drive.
It is a flying machine - weighing only 900kg - the tuner could of got more power out of it but we think it is suffering from valve float, it is ok at this level though.
cheers
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That'd be quick with half the power. Think my next car might have to be something rwd and light. As good as the mk5 gti is, it's still limited by its front drive, and it's not exactly light!
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Mk5 gti
Byd engine
Ko4 turbo
S3 injectors brakes etc
K&n filter and evoms intake??
Vf engineering heatshield
Apr exhaust
200 cell sports cat
Apr hpfp
Apr exhaust
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhaaris1971%2FMobile_Uploads%2FA94C02BE-CAF3-4AD2-BF20-AC4BEE08C705_zps65ml5bxs.jpg&hash=7683228af8713b1e5a2895444def7a8f615ec483)
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scoobykiller, which remap you have? power seems great...
edit: Now I see its not bwa :)
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Car: VW Golf GTI Edition 30 DSG 2.0 TFSI
tuner/stage/settings: R Tech Stage 2+
Modifications :
Revo camcoat intake,
Auto tech HPFP, RS4 FPR,
3.5" Relentless decat,
3" resonated scorpion exhaust,
Welly cooler.
Type of Dyno/operator: Bosch, Niki Gower
Ambient temp: 7.5 degrees
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmatt_cupra%2Fedition_30%2F2244E686-6C09-484C-BA1A-B905C943E398_zpswym9obqs.jpg&hash=b151bdc7cc5dff1551f0ffa4b349da09193acb67)
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Car: VW Golf GTI MK5 KO3
Tuner/Stage/Settings: R-Tech Stage 2
Modifications: Backbox Delete, Oversized Ramair Intake, BCS 3" sports cat and dp
Type of Dyno/Operator: Niki Gower
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1254.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh616%2Fseansmithy%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FIMG_20180208_202208_637.jpg&hash=88572381522a86bd765da90d0f05ada18ff9c27c) (http://s1254.photobucket.com/user/seansmithy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20180208_202208_637.jpg.html)
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Mk5 Golf GTI Edition 30 DSG
RPM Power Engine Management custom remap
Engine mods:- VW Racing cold air intake (VWR12G5GT)
- Darkside Developments S3 uprated IC with alloy end tanks and silicone boost hoses
- Go Fast Bits DV+
- NGK Iridium BKR7EIX spark plugs
- R8 red ignition coil pack set
- LOBA's HPFP
- RS4 fuel pressure regulator valve
- CTS Turbo intake manifold runner flap delete kit
- CTS Turbo throttle pipe
- CTS Turbo turbo outlet pipe
- Forge Motorsport oil catch tank system for vehicles with charcoal filter (FMMK5CTC)
- Creations Motorsport Exhaust manifold heat shield
- BCS Powervalve TBE Prestige system with 200 cell cat and wrapped DP
- Vibra-Technics bottom engine mount/Subframe mount (VAG520M)
- Vibra-Technics dogbone mount (VAG455B)
- DSG remap
(https://i.imgur.com/79uDxuw.jpg)
It made 367 BHP and 499 Nm/368 lbf*ft.
This is a graph comparing the WHP difference between the previous tune (red) with the CAI fitted and 345 BHP with the current tune (blue).
(https://i.imgur.com/F5yd5q5.jpg)
It's now much faster at mid range rpm than before. :evilgrin:
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Guys please note that this is a before graph with a base map and an after with a dyno tuned map. No NOS in these runs.
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Mk5 golf gti manual
Revo stage 1 c (use of v power fuel)
RamAir 90mm induction kit
GotBoost Dyno
(https://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u532/design_dave_3/B3333936-C8B6-492B-8126-58831D0982F2_zps73brydf9.jpeg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/design_dave_3/media/B3333936-C8B6-492B-8126-58831D0982F2_zps73brydf9.jpeg.html)
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MK5 GTI BWA
R-Tech Stage 2+
290HP 367ft-lb
Scorpion Turbo Back Sports Exhaust
Revo Cold Air Intake
S3 Alloy Intercooler
Autotech Fuel Pump Internals
Revision G Divertor Valve
Helix DMF Clutch
Powerflex Anti-Lift Kit
V-Power
Millers CFS 5/40 NT+
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/JiyuuA7X/InkedIMG_1946_LI_zpsx7bah1jy.jpg) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/JiyuuA7X/media/InkedIMG_1946_LI_zpsx7bah1jy.jpg.html)
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/JiyuuA7X/Inked66059861_2321835654542020_4848397999870574592_n_LI_zpsxcuehnrb.jpg) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/JiyuuA7X/media/Inked66059861_2321835654542020_4848397999870574592_n_LI_zpsxcuehnrb.jpg.html)
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That’s a great torque curve for road use!
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Found an old plot from a couple of years ago when we were experimenting with boost on a standard ED30 engine with a Loba pump and S3 intercooler. ~320hp confirmed as the limit of the standard airbox.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48842803452_2fce636c07_k.jpg)
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Edition 30, no mods except for OEM pre-cat delete and stage 2 tuning.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49867796428_4bbfbbc601_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iYDuvA)
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New map with these upgrades
K04 turbo
Autotec hpfp
S3 intercooler
S3 injectors
S3 Map sensor
S3 Fuel rail sensor
Milltek 3” race CAT
Scorpion 3” CAT back non-res
Induction kit with proram xl filter
Latest edition DV.
Someone has suggested the torque is low but it feels enough to me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6q9Nwbbb/801-FDA08-5-C8-A-4-B8-F-B93-A-659562-AA0229.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZmcNkjF)