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Title: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:14:31 am
Back of to Rtech tomorrow for inlet and injector clean,and a Stage 2/2+ map. I've had my bcs tbe on for a while now and was just going for a clean and a tweak initially. My only other mod is a pipercross panel filter so just wondering is it worth having the Autotech fuel pump internals fitted and still not sure about an intake? My plan was to get an s3 intercooler before hand but that didn't happen so figures may be down a bit. If I fit an s3 intercooler in the future and I'm on a stage 2+ map will I have to go back for a tweak or will it adjust accordingly? Another thing is my clutch. At the moment I get no slipping whatsoever even in a high gear and wot. I know its only a matter of time but any advice on clutch upgrade? I don't ever red line my car and only use it for fast road occasionally so would oem clutch be a better option? Cheers guys and I'll post my results and thoughts and sorry or so many questions as you've probably heard it all before but advice would be much appreciated. Cheers

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2017, 04:51:35 pm
Back of to Rtech tomorrow for inlet and injector clean,and a Stage 2/2+ map. I've had my bcs tbe on for a while now and was just going for a clean and a tweak initially. My only other mod is a pipercross panel filter so just wondering is it worth having the Autotech fuel pump internals fitted and still not sure about an intake? My plan was to get an s3 intercooler before hand but that didn't happen so figures may be down a bit. If I fit an s3 intercooler in the future and I'm on a stage 2+ map will I have to go back for a tweak or will it adjust accordingly? Another thing is my clutch. At the moment I get no slipping whatsoever even in a high gear and wot. I know its only a matter of time but any advice on clutch upgrade? I don't ever red line my car and only use it for fast road occasionally so would oem clutch be a better option? Cheers guys and I'll post my results and thoughts and sorry or so many questions as you've probably heard it all before but advice would be much appreciated. Cheers

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My clutch started slipping as soon as I had the full BCS fitted, on Stage 1 R-Tech. That put it to 320lb/ft IIRC.

I then got the clutch replaced with a Helix Organic (good for 400lb/ft) before going Stage 2 R-Tech - no other hardware upgrades apart from a Pipercross panel, if you count that. That got me 345lb/ft. Then I got fuel cuts, as the standard pump couldn't even cope with Stage 2. I've since fitted a Loba pump to cure that, and it ran spot on. Then I fitted a Ramair intake, which gave the car a bit more at high revs, but it's a bit of a compromise in terms of fit and noise. I haven't bothered getting the tweak from 2 to 2+ that the Loba would theoretically allow. It's quick enough.

I wouldn't worry about an intake. An S3 intercooler would be money better spent - I do feel the car dialling the timing back a bit when things get hot.

I'd recommend budgeting for an uprated clutch. Stage 2+ R-Tech maps run well into the mid 300s and beyond, torque-wise (according to their dyno). It's only a matter of time a standard clutch starts slipping at those levels.

An uprated pump is a really underrated mod. It gave me loads more low-mid torque, coming onto boost. I would get an uprated pump in before the map. It makes sense. Niki will map the car depending on its specific mods, so you'll be fine without an uprated cooler for now, and it won't need to be mapped in later unless you're really chasing an extra couple of horses.
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:04:52 pm
Back of to Rtech tomorrow for inlet and injector clean,and a Stage 2/2+ map. I've had my bcs tbe on for a while now and was just going for a clean and a tweak initially. My only other mod is a pipercross panel filter so just wondering is it worth having the Autotech fuel pump internals fitted and still not sure about an intake? My plan was to get an s3 intercooler before hand but that didn't happen so figures may be down a bit. If I fit an s3 intercooler in the future and I'm on a stage 2+ map will I have to go back for a tweak or will it adjust accordingly? Another thing is my clutch. At the moment I get no slipping whatsoever even in a high gear and wot. I know its only a matter of time but any advice on clutch upgrade? I don't ever red line my car and only use it for fast road occasionally so would oem clutch be a better option? Cheers guys and I'll post my results and thoughts and sorry or so many questions as you've probably heard it all before but advice would be much appreciated. Cheers

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My clutch started slipping as soon as I had the full BCS fitted, on Stage 1 R-Tech. That put it to 320lb/ft IIRC.

I then got the clutch replaced with a Helix Organic (good for 400lb/ft) before going Stage 2 R-Tech - no other hardware upgrades apart from a Pipercross panel, if you count that. That got me 345lb/ft. Then I got fuel cuts, as the standard pump couldn't even cope with Stage 2. I've since fitted a Loba pump to cure that, and it ran spot on. Then I fitted a Ramair intake, which gave the car a bit more at high revs, but it's a bit of a compromise in terms of fit and noise. I haven't bothered getting the tweak from 2 to 2+ that the Loba would theoretically allow. It's quick enough.

I wouldn't worry about an intake. An S3 intercooler would be money better spent - I do feel the car dialling the timing back a bit when things get hot.

I'd recommend budgeting for an uprated clutch. Stage 2+ R-Tech maps run well into the mid 300s and beyond, torque-wise (according to their dyno). It's only a matter of time a standard clutch starts slipping at those levels.

An uprated pump is a really underrated mod. It gave me loads more low-mid torque, coming onto boost. I would get an uprated pump in before the map. It makes sense. Niki will map the car depending on its specific mods, so you'll be fine without an uprated cooler for now, and it won't need to be mapped in later unless you're really chasing an extra couple of horses.
Cheers bud. I'm gonna opt for the Autotech internals to be fitted prior to mapping I think. As I said my clutch doesn't slip at all at the moment even with the tbe. I'm hoping to get it to last until funds are readily available again and then I'll invest on a larger cooler. I'm really looking forward to my visit to Rtech again and I'm sure I'll come away happy again. Cheers

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2017, 08:08:54 pm
Back of to Rtech tomorrow for inlet and injector clean,and a Stage 2/2+ map. I've had my bcs tbe on for a while now and was just going for a clean and a tweak initially. My only other mod is a pipercross panel filter so just wondering is it worth having the Autotech fuel pump internals fitted and still not sure about an intake? My plan was to get an s3 intercooler before hand but that didn't happen so figures may be down a bit. If I fit an s3 intercooler in the future and I'm on a stage 2+ map will I have to go back for a tweak or will it adjust accordingly? Another thing is my clutch. At the moment I get no slipping whatsoever even in a high gear and wot. I know its only a matter of time but any advice on clutch upgrade? I don't ever red line my car and only use it for fast road occasionally so would oem clutch be a better option? Cheers guys and I'll post my results and thoughts and sorry or so many questions as you've probably heard it all before but advice would be much appreciated. Cheers

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My clutch started slipping as soon as I had the full BCS fitted, on Stage 1 R-Tech. That put it to 320lb/ft IIRC.

I then got the clutch replaced with a Helix Organic (good for 400lb/ft) before going Stage 2 R-Tech - no other hardware upgrades apart from a Pipercross panel, if you count that. That got me 345lb/ft. Then I got fuel cuts, as the standard pump couldn't even cope with Stage 2. I've since fitted a Loba pump to cure that, and it ran spot on. Then I fitted a Ramair intake, which gave the car a bit more at high revs, but it's a bit of a compromise in terms of fit and noise. I haven't bothered getting the tweak from 2 to 2+ that the Loba would theoretically allow. It's quick enough.

I wouldn't worry about an intake. An S3 intercooler would be money better spent - I do feel the car dialling the timing back a bit when things get hot.

I'd recommend budgeting for an uprated clutch. Stage 2+ R-Tech maps run well into the mid 300s and beyond, torque-wise (according to their dyno). It's only a matter of time a standard clutch starts slipping at those levels.

An uprated pump is a really underrated mod. It gave me loads more low-mid torque, coming onto boost. I would get an uprated pump in before the map. It makes sense. Niki will map the car depending on its specific mods, so you'll be fine without an uprated cooler for now, and it won't need to be mapped in later unless you're really chasing an extra couple of horses.
Cheers bud. I'm gonna opt for the Autotech internals to be fitted prior to mapping I think. As I said my clutch doesn't slip at all at the moment even with the tbe. I'm hoping to get it to last until funds are readily available again and then I'll invest on a larger cooler. I'm really looking forward to my visit to Rtech again and I'm sure I'll come away happy again. Cheers

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Fingers crossed it doesn't slip on the rollers... It'll be a big jump in torque.
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:18:01 pm
If it does I'm sure he'll just dial it back a bit. How come the ed30s can be mapped to 300bhp on a stage 1 and have no problem with their clutches . Are they different?

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2017, 08:46:36 pm
If it does I'm sure Nicky will just dial it back a bit. How come the ed30s can be mapped to 300bhp on a stage 1 and have no problem with their clutches . Are they different?

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Because it's torque that slips clutches rather than peak power.

A Stage 1 ed30 might 'only' make 300-310lb/ft peak torque, but the torque doesn't drop off a cliff at high revs like k03 cars, so the k04 ed30 makes higher peak power.

If a car makes 300lb/ft at 5252rpm, it'll also make 300bhp at 5252rpm.

K03 cars at Stage 2+ can indeed make 350lb/ft peak torque just like a 2+ k04, but by around 5000rpm or so it's tailed off massively, so they'll only make 280 odd bhp peak power.

Another consideration is that a k03 theoretically spools up quicker than a k04, so that 350lb/ft hits the clutch hard.

All that said, a 2+ k04 will kill clutches just as readily as a 2+ k03.

Talking about peak power, or peak torque, is only half the story. You need to look at the curves to see why things happen.
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:51:00 pm
If it does I'm sure Nicky will just dial it back a bit. How come the ed30s can be mapped to 300bhp on a stage 1 and have no problem with their clutches . Are they different?

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Because it's torque that slips clutches rather than peak power.

A Stage 1 ed30 might 'only' make 300-310lb/ft peak torque, but the torque doesn't drop off a cliff at high revs like k03 cars, so the k04 ed30 makes higher peak power.

If a car makes 300lb/ft at 5252rpm, it'll also make 300bhp at 5252rpm.

K03 cars at Stage 2+ can indeed make 350lb/ft peak torque just like a 2+ k04, but by around 5000rpm or so it's tailed off massively, so they'll only make 280 odd bhp peak power.

Another consideration is that a k03 theoretically spools up quicker than a k04, so that 350lb/ft hits the clutch hard.

All that said, a 2+ k04 will kill clutches just as readily as a 2+ k03.

Talking about peak power, or peak torque, is only half the story. You need to look at the curves to see why things happen.
Sorry I'm not too clued up about the technical aspects but that cleared that up and now I know a bit more. Cheers

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:55:01 pm
I'm sure I read in this forum somewhere that Dan fr said an uprated clutch wasn't necessary on a k03 as an oem clutch could take anything a k03 could throw at it so when I need a new one as long as I'm not launching it all the time wouldn't an oem clutch and flywheel be ok?

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2017, 08:56:47 pm
If it does I'm sure Nicky will just dial it back a bit. How come the ed30s can be mapped to 300bhp on a stage 1 and have no problem with their clutches . Are they different?

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Because it's torque that slips clutches rather than peak power.

A Stage 1 ed30 might 'only' make 300-310lb/ft peak torque, but the torque doesn't drop off a cliff at high revs like k03 cars, so the k04 ed30 makes higher peak power.

If a car makes 300lb/ft at 5252rpm, it'll also make 300bhp at 5252rpm.

K03 cars at Stage 2+ can indeed make 350lb/ft peak torque just like a 2+ k04, but by around 5000rpm or so it's tailed off massively, so they'll only make 280 odd bhp peak power.

Another consideration is that a k03 theoretically spools up quicker than a k04, so that 350lb/ft hits the clutch hard.

All that said, a 2+ k04 will kill clutches just as readily as a 2+ k03.

Talking about peak power, or peak torque, is only half the story. You need to look at the curves to see why things happen.
Sorry I'm not too clued up about the technical aspects but that cleared that up and now I know a bit more. Cheers

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No worries mate. It all makes a bit more sense once you've got a grip on the correlation between torque and power.

Anyway, good luck for the map, and let us know how you get on
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 24, 2017, 08:59:12 pm
If it does I'm sure Nicky will just dial it back a bit. How come the ed30s can be mapped to 300bhp on a stage 1 and have no problem with their clutches . Are they different?

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Because it's torque that slips clutches rather than peak power.

A Stage 1 ed30 might 'only' make 300-310lb/ft peak torque, but the torque doesn't drop off a cliff at high revs like k03 cars, so the k04 ed30 makes higher peak power.

If a car makes 300lb/ft at 5252rpm, it'll also make 300bhp at 5252rpm.

K03 cars at Stage 2+ can indeed make 350lb/ft peak torque just like a 2+ k04, but by around 5000rpm or so it's tailed off massively, so they'll only make 280 odd bhp peak power.

Another consideration is that a k03 theoretically spools up quicker than a k04, so that 350lb/ft hits the clutch hard.

All that said, a 2+ k04 will kill clutches just as readily as a 2+ k03.

Talking about peak power, or peak torque, is only half the story. You need to look at the curves to see why things happen.
Sorry I'm not too clued up about the technical aspects but that cleared that up and now I know a bit more. Cheers

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No worries mate. It all makes a bit more sense once you've got a grip on the correlation between torque and power.

Anyway, good luck for the map, and let us know how you get on
Thanks for your help and advice and will do.

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2017, 09:23:36 pm
I'm sure I read in this forum somewhere that Dan fr said an uprated clutch wasn't necessary on a k03 as an oem clutch could take anything a k03 could throw at it so when I need a new one as long as I'm not launching it all the time wouldn't an oem clutch and flywheel be ok?

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Sorry, I missed this post. If Dan said that I'd dispute it, personally! Even a new OEM clutch would quickly get tired of 350+lb/ft, whether that's k03, k04 or whatever turbo makes the boost.

He might have been talking in terms of Stage 1, max. Once you start with Stage 2, and certainly with uprated pumps, the peak torque just gets too much for a standard clutch.

It gets expensive!
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 05:54:57 pm
I got 280bhp and 340ft/lb torque with no clutch slip! phew. Niki said it was one of the healthiest axx's he'd seen in a while. I'm more than happy with that and can't wait to go back with my hybrid next year :evil:

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 05:56:50 pm
That'll do!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170925/e58468cf286dae83612d308ed0482112.jpg)

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 25, 2017, 06:14:47 pm
That'll do!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170925/e58468cf286dae83612d308ed0482112.jpg)

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Nice. Bet you can feel that extra torque coming onto boost!

I was thinking of a k03 hybrid myself a while ago, although I've got a few of the bits needed for a k04 sat in a box, so I'm undecided between the two.

The Beach Buggy Turbos k03 hybrids have the anti-surge wheel I think, so that would be one advantage over a normal k04 - not having to map around the surge. But the downside of a k03 setup is the location of the DV. With an aftermarket intake and enough boost you end up with a weird and annoying resonance, like a badly played flute. This is one thing that might make me go for a k04 instead, although a k03 hybrid with the standard airbox would be an option.

Which hybrid were you thinking of going with?
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: colesey on September 25, 2017, 07:01:52 pm
These are some great results - is your car low mileage?

I look forward to someone (else) being a trailblazer to get some mapping sorted for a BBT k03 hybrid with the standard airbox!
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 07:53:53 pm
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Nice. Bet you can feel that extra torque coming onto boost!

I was thinking of a k03 hybrid myself a while ago, although I've got a few of the bits needed for a k04 sat in a box, so I'm undecided between the two.

The Beach Buggy Turbos k03 hybrids have the anti-surge wheel I think, so that would be one advantage over a normal k04 - not having to map around the surge. But the downside of a k03 setup is the location of the DV. With an aftermarket intake and enough boost you end up with a weird and annoying resonance, like a badly played flute. This is one thing that might make me go for a k04 instead, although a k03 hybrid with the standard airbox would be an option.

Which hybrid were you thinking of going with?
I'd keep the airbox I think as I don't want the noise really and after speaking to Niki I would definitely go Beach Buggy Turbo and go for a safe figure of about 330bhp and just a little bit more torque. I'm happy how it is now as it is so drivable.

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 07:55:19 pm
These are some great results - is your car low mileage?

I look forward to someone (else) being a trailblazer to get some mapping sorted for a BBT k03 hybrid with the standard airbox!
Cars got 85000m on it but has been nurtured to be honest.

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 08:02:54 pm
My results and pictures have been posted on Rtech tunings Facebook if anyone wants a look.

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 25, 2017, 08:36:40 pm
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Nice. Bet you can feel that extra torque coming onto boost!

I was thinking of a k03 hybrid myself a while ago, although I've got a few of the bits needed for a k04 sat in a box, so I'm undecided between the two.

The Beach Buggy Turbos k03 hybrids have the anti-surge wheel I think, so that would be one advantage over a normal k04 - not having to map around the surge. But the downside of a k03 setup is the location of the DV. With an aftermarket intake and enough boost you end up with a weird and annoying resonance, like a badly played flute. This is one thing that might make me go for a k04 instead, although a k03 hybrid with the standard airbox would be an option.

Which hybrid were you thinking of going with?
I'd keep the airbox I think as I don't want the noise really and after speaking to Niki I would definitely go Beach Buggy Turbo and go for a safe figure of about 330bhp and just a little bit more torque. I'm happy how it is now as it is so drivable.

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Sounds like a sensible plan. An S3 IC with the hybrid will cope fine once you get round to it. The BBT k03 hybrids have made 360bhp and close to 400lb/ft, but keeping things dialled back a bit makes a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 25, 2017, 08:40:30 pm
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Nice. Bet you can feel that extra torque coming onto boost!

I was thinking of a k03 hybrid myself a while ago, although I've got a few of the bits needed for a k04 sat in a box, so I'm undecided between the two.

The Beach Buggy Turbos k03 hybrids have the anti-surge wheel I think, so that would be one advantage over a normal k04 - not having to map around the surge. But the downside of a k03 setup is the location of the DV. With an aftermarket intake and enough boost you end up with a weird and annoying resonance, like a badly played flute. This is one thing that might make me go for a k04 instead, although a k03 hybrid with the standard airbox would be an option.

Which hybrid were you thinking of going with?
I'd keep the airbox I think as I don't want the noise really and after speaking to Niki I would definitely go Beach Buggy Turbo and go for a safe figure of about 330bhp and just a little bit more torque. I'm happy how it is now as it is so drivable.

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Sounds like a sensible plan. An S3 IC with the hybrid will cope fine once you get round to it. The BBT k03 hybrids have made 360bhp and close to 400lb/ft, but keeping things dialled back a bit makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah. As you know with yours Stage 2 makes these quick enough really and I'm well chuffed but it's that bloody itch that juustt creeps back!lol

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: AJP on September 25, 2017, 08:50:29 pm
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Nice. Bet you can feel that extra torque coming onto boost!

I was thinking of a k03 hybrid myself a while ago, although I've got a few of the bits needed for a k04 sat in a box, so I'm undecided between the two.

The Beach Buggy Turbos k03 hybrids have the anti-surge wheel I think, so that would be one advantage over a normal k04 - not having to map around the surge. But the downside of a k03 setup is the location of the DV. With an aftermarket intake and enough boost you end up with a weird and annoying resonance, like a badly played flute. This is one thing that might make me go for a k04 instead, although a k03 hybrid with the standard airbox would be an option.

Which hybrid were you thinking of going with?
I'd keep the airbox I think as I don't want the noise really and after speaking to Niki I would definitely go Beach Buggy Turbo and go for a safe figure of about 330bhp and just a little bit more torque. I'm happy how it is now as it is so drivable.

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Sounds like a sensible plan. An S3 IC with the hybrid will cope fine once you get round to it. The BBT k03 hybrids have made 360bhp and close to 400lb/ft, but keeping things dialled back a bit makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah. As you know with yours Stage 2 makes these quick enough really and I'm well chuffed but it's that bloody itch that juustt creeps back!lol

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You get used to the power really quickly I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Dan_FR on September 26, 2017, 07:43:10 am
I'm sure I read in this forum somewhere that Dan fr said an uprated clutch wasn't necessary on a k03 as an oem clutch could take anything a k03 could throw at it so when I need a new one as long as I'm not launching it all the time wouldn't an oem clutch and flywheel be ok?

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Sorry, I missed this post. If Dan said that I'd dispute it, personally! Even a new OEM clutch would quickly get tired of 350+lb/ft, whether that's k03, k04 or whatever turbo makes the boost.

He might have been talking in terms of Stage 1, max. Once you start with Stage 2, and certainly with uprated pumps, the peak torque just gets too much for a standard clutch.

It gets expensive!

I'm not quite sure that what I said. If you're referring to this post (had to search!) http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,106010.0/nowap.html

The OP had an 80k clutch and was only stage 1 tuned, hence why I said it will cope fine as long you don't abuse the clutch - launches, loading it up in high gears etc. It depends massively on driving style.

FYI My cars been on what was a new standard clutch for about 20k now at Stage 2+.... But since the car is a family daily, it never gets launched, or loaded up in high gears and is driven quite sedately a lot of the time. It copes with full torque in 1st, 2nd and 3rd which is all its used for when I'm out enjoying it.... Once you're up in to 3rd, the upshift to 4th misses out the peak torque RPM so it becomes less of an issue...... Don't get me wrong I could quite happily invoke slip in 6th gear at sub 3k rpm if I really wanted on a motorway, but its a non-issue that is easily avoided with a gear change since these little turbos can make over a bar of boost at sub 2k RPM in 6th....
Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 26, 2017, 07:52:34 am
I'm sure I read in this forum somewhere that Dan fr said an uprated clutch wasn't necessary on a k03 as an oem clutch could take anything a k03 could throw at it so when I need a new one as long as I'm not launching it all the time wouldn't an oem clutch and flywheel be ok?

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Sorry, I missed this post. If Dan said that I'd dispute it, personally! Even a new OEM clutch would quickly get tired of 350+lb/ft, whether that's k03, k04 or whatever turbo makes the boost.

He might have been talking in terms of Stage 1, max. Once you start with Stage 2, and certainly with uprated pumps, the peak torque just gets too much for a standard clutch.

It gets expensive!

I'm not quite sure that what I said. If you're referring to this post (had to search!) http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,106010.0/nowap.html

The OP had an 80k clutch and was only stage 1 tuned, hence why I said it will cope fine as long you don't abuse the clutch - launches, loading it up in high gears etc. It depends massively on driving style.

FYI My cars been on what was a new standard clutch for about 20k now at Stage 2+.... But since the car is a family daily, it never gets launched, or loaded up in high gears and is driven quite sedately a lot of the time. It copes with full torque in 1st, 2nd and 3rd which is all its used for when I'm out enjoying it.... Once you're up in to 3rd, the upshift to 4th misses out the peak torque RPM so it becomes less of an issue...... Don't get me wrong I could quite happily invoke slip in 6th gear at sub 3k rpm if I really wanted on a motorway, but its a non-issue that is easily avoided.
Thanks Dan. I think that's the post I read a while ago. I'm pretty much into your way of thinking with the way I drive also and I use mine as a daily and it won't see a track either. 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear pulls and a few b road blasts and I'm happy. I very rarely use a motorway and if I do I'll be sure to avoid slipping in high gears. Cheers

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Title: Re: Rtech Stage 2/2+
Post by: Craig Stanley on September 26, 2017, 08:10:50 am
I'm sure I read in this forum somewhere that Dan fr said an uprated clutch wasn't necessary on a k03 as an oem clutch could take anything a k03 could throw at it so when I need a new one as long as I'm not launching it all the time wouldn't an oem clutch and flywheel be ok?

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Sorry, I missed this post. If Dan said that I'd dispute it, personally! Even a new OEM clutch would quickly get tired of 350+lb/ft, whether that's k03, k04 or whatever turbo makes the boost.

He might have been talking in terms of Stage 1, max. Once you start with Stage 2, and certainly with uprated pumps, the peak torque just gets too much for a standard clutch.

It gets expensive!

I'm not quite sure that what I said. If you're referring to this post (had to search!) http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,106010.0/nowap.html

The OP had an 80k clutch and was only stage 1 tuned, hence why I said it will cope fine as long you don't abuse the clutch - launches, loading it up in high gears etc. It depends massively on driving style.

FYI My cars been on what was a new standard clutch for about 20k now at Stage 2+.... But since the car is a family daily, it never gets launched, or loaded up in high gears and is driven quite sedately a lot of the time. It copes with full torque in 1st, 2nd and 3rd which is all its used for when I'm out enjoying it.... Once you're up in to 3rd, the upshift to 4th misses out the peak torque RPM so it becomes less of an issue...... Don't get me wrong I could quite happily invoke slip in 6th gear at sub 3k rpm if I really wanted on a motorway, but its a non-issue that is easily avoided.
Thanks Dan. I think that's the post I read a while ago. I'm pretty much into your way of thinking with the way I drive also and I use mine as a daily and it won't see a track either. 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear pulls and a few b road blasts and I'm happy. I very rarely use a motorway and if I do I'll be sure to avoid slipping in high gears. Cheers

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Also when I was talking to Niki and mentioned when I come back I'll have a Helix clutch also he said if my clutch isn't slipping then it might be ok and to see how it goes as it might not be a problem. I've also read that some people have cars that cope with their clutches at all stages of tune and others may go after 15000m. I think its the old adage that all cars are different. We always hear that the tfsi's are prone to using oil but mine doesn't use a single drop from service to service and axx are the ones to avoid as they're weaker etc etc. What I'm trying to say is there are a lot of factors that come into play on each and every car. This is why I go to Rtech as its custom mapping to suit your car and style of driving.

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