Wire | Location (Climatronic) | Location (Climatic) | Location (No AC) | Purpose |
Earth Wires | ||||
Brown wires (with ring connectors) | Earth point by bonnet release handle | Earth / Ground | ||
Climate control panel | ||||
blue/yellow | Climate control panel (pin 10) | Climate control panel (pin 13) | Climate control panel (pin 11) | Passenger side heated seat switch |
blue/red | Climate control panel (pin 11) | Climate control panel (pin 12) | Climate control panel (pin 15) | Drivers side heated seat switch |
grey | Climate control panel (pin 12) | Climate control panel (pin 15) | Climate control panel (pin 16) | Feed to climate control panel, from CECM |
Fuse Box | ||||
Red / white (thick wire) | fuse box, 37, 30A | - | - | Power for heated seats |
Grey(thick wire) | fuse box, 34, 20A | - | - | Power for lumbar support |
Grey (thin wire) | fuse box, 8, 5A. (If 4 and 7 are already in use) | - | - | Ignition live for heated seats |
Black (double crimp) | fuse box, ??, ??. | - | - | Can someone confirm this one for me?? |
CECM | ||||
White (double crimp) | CECM, Connector C, Pin 1 | - | - | Feed to central electrics |
Wire | Location (Climatronic) | Location (Climatic) | Location (No AC) | Purpose |
Earth Wires | ||||
Brown wires (with ring connectors) | Earth point by bonnet release handle | Earth / Ground | ||
Climate control panel | ||||
blue | Climate control panel (pin 10) | Climate control panel (pin 13) | Climate control panel (pin 11) | Passenger side heated seat switch |
blue/red | Climate control panel (pin 11) | Climate control panel (pin 12) | Climate control panel (pin 15) | Drivers side heated seat switch |
grey | Climate control panel (pin 12) | Climate control panel (pin 15) | Climate control panel (pin 16) | Feed to climate control panel, from CECM |
Fuse Box | ||||
Red / white (thick wire) | fuse box, 37, 30A | - | - | Power for heated seats |
Grey(thick wire) | fuse box, 34, 20A | - | - | Power for lumbar support |
Grey (thin wire) | fuse box, 8, 5A. (If 4 and 7 are already in use) | - | - | Ignition live for heated seats |
CECM | ||||
White (thin wire) | CECM, Connector C, Pin 1 | - | - | Feed to central electrics |
Reckon this can be done on other VAG models in the same chassis, such as A3, MK6 and Scirocco?It can be done but you will need to check the fuse terminals as they will prob be different. Its not too difficult to work out though with a multi meter.
A stupid question I know but do all seats have the heating elements in? Is it just a case of wiring them up
Thanks for clearing that up :happy2:A stupid question I know but do all seats have the heating elements in? Is it just a case of wiring them up
standard seats don't have the element
i have been following this guideSorry... I got your pm and totally forgot to look into it. Lol.
the only thing i arent sure about is the connection onto the CECM, i dont suppose you have more detail/pictures about how and where it is fitted
and also, forgive me if im wrong but with the wiring going to the fuse box, there is only one wire into each fuse slot, how does this work as i presumed it would need 2
thanks
...OK...
the only thing i arent sure about is the connection onto the CECM, i dont suppose you have more detail/pictures about how and where it is fitted
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Yes, I can't wait.Correct, lengthen the short side of the loom to reach the passenger seat. I did this by shortening the drivers side and using that wire to lengthen the passenger side. You could leave it and hide it under the carpet though I guess.
I have already fitted all the door cards and installed the back seats.
I have a the seat heater switch already, it's just the harness to order now.
Obviously I haven't seen the harnesses but I'm guessing that you just have to lengthen the cable on the drivers plug so that it goes to the passenger side where the module is? Then the passenger plug would have extra length on but goes to underneath the drivers seat. So if I did not shorten that side it would not matter you just have to hide the cable in the car.
You could do all this work when the harness is out of the car before you start obviously.
Also by the way, on your guide you have put the link to the wiring diagrams but you have the 2006 wiring diagram showing twice.Thanks for that, I've updated the guide and the PDF.
Under the installing the loom section, its on the up to 2006 and also the 2007 onwards and also this is replicated on the PDF.
Worth updating.
Jas,Ah brilliant, good work :happy2:
I tried to msg you the day after I sent the last msg but your inbox is full.
I decided to swap over the seat wiring instead of cutting the harness. I plugged it all in, swapped the connections on the back of the heater as I thought it would work that way (best guess).
It worked straight away no problem, I haven't coded anything. The correct seat comes on for the right side.
My seatbelt warning etc does not go off.
So all is good.
Thanks for your help, it was quite easy to do just a little daunting.
Thank you!Its really easy if the wiring loom is labeled. The one i bought from kufatec were all grey! But you can tell which one is for the ground, live and cecm. The rest just go to the heater panel
Here I was thinking my first mod will be heated leather seats...got the seats but not man enough to try this as my first bit of wiring in a car, ever. :chicken:
The grey loom is stamped with a reference as to what each wire is.They mustve changed it now.
I did this again last week putting mk5 seats in my mates Caddy.
The wire that has 2 going into it isn't for cecm.
As far as i remember on the 2007+ loom it's:
2 for ground
3 for the heater panel
2 for fuse box (1 ignition 1 live) there's an additional wire to fuse box if your seat has lumbar support)
1 for cecm
When i fitted a up to 2006 loom there was an additional wire to the above and i couldn't figure out where it goes. Wiring it to an ignition cleared the fault code but the seats still didn't heat up.
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Have you read this guide
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62645.0.html
Which loom did you buy? If you bought the 2007+ loom then it could be its for a lhd and you will have to swap the looms that are under the seats to convert them back to rhd.
Sounds like the loom you got might also be for the memory seats.
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So you have a module under each seat?
The four wires remaining, are they the four thick wires marked KL30 you mentioned earlier?
2 are for constant live (dauerplus) (fuse box)
2 are constant live (sitzverstell.) (seat adjustment)
I'll have a look properly when I get home, it's difficult to work out on the phone.
Jas
The button on each seat is the lumbar adjustment.
Looks like you have a module under each seat and the loom part number looks correct.
So, using the table from the guide, together with the kufatec instructions, and the notes in my previous comment, you should be able to label each wire and see what you're left with?
If there is anything left over, it may be for seat memory which probably won't be on your seats anyway.
Jas
So you should have:
Thick wire, 30A for heated seats x 2?
Thick wire 20A for lumbar adjustment x 2?
Thin wire 5A for ignition live for heated seats.
That's 5, which leaves 2 not required for seat memory?
What are they thinking making them all grey!!! Do they have anything printed on them?
Ok, in the fuse box, look at the positions in my guide, but ultimately you're looking for a slot that has feed. You can tell the difference between one with a feed and a blank one as the one with a feed had a metal connector to accept one leg of the fuse.
The other leg it made by inserting the relevant wire from the heated seat loom which will then make a complete 'socket' for the fuse.
Use a multimeter to test for constant / ignition live, find the ones you need insert the wire from the loom.
Nearly there!! :)
So to recap, I need to find 4 constant lives, for the 4 thick wires, and 1 ignition live.Going off the kufatec instructions you need:
I'll go and take a look on ebay at the piggyback fuses.. cheers fellas! :happy2:
So to recap, I need to find 4 constant lives, for the 4 thick wires, and 1 ignition live.Going off the kufatec instructions you need:
I'll go and take a look on ebay at the piggyback fuses.. cheers fellas! :happy2:
2 x KL30 for 20A constant live
3 x KL15 for 15A ignition live
The other 2 x KL30 for seat adjustment, just tape up out the way.
So you should have:
Thick wire, 30A for heated seats x 2?
Thick wire 20A for lumbar adjustment x 2?
Thin wire 5A for ignition live for heated seats.
That's 5, which leaves 2 not required for seat memory?
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I have the loom ending '2'
SOive got four cables that need to go to the fuse box...hmm..
To allow you to make progress and confirm your thoughts and work done, why not take a temporary fused feed from the battery and prove you've got everything else correct.
I assume your only interested in the heated seats working and not the lumber or memory seat.
So with that in mind if you connect the two heaviest connector to a temporary fused supply you'll be able to check if there's a feed to the under seat modules, that would be my starting point.
I have gone back and checked my installation, I only had 3 wires at the fuse box.
Unless some of these wires make a 'pair' for a fuse Connection?
I would call richter sport to see if they can help shed some light on why the loom has changed?
Richer Sport are the UK contact for kufatec.
I'll look at some wiring diagrams tomorrow to try work it out.
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread - @Gmac (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=15788) did you ever get this working? I will be looking at doing this soon and trying to figure out how to do it
Hello,
Here we go again guys!!!
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Hello,
Here we go again guys!!!
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Do the Vxr seats have any kind of modules underneath like the golf seats did?
Those wires in the picture, has the original connector been chopped off? There should be a connector that will connect to the plug in the floor of the car.
The seats don't simply work from voltage, there are signals from the heater control panel, to CECM to Heated seat module.
If your car is 2007 with factory fitted heated seats, it will have had only one heated seat module, under the passenger seat (drivers seat on a left hand drive).
Most of the info you need is at the start of this guide with regards to the car side of things, but it might not help much if you're missing the modules for you seats.
On the car side, the pins are as follows:
UK Drivers Side:
1 - n/a
2 - n/a
3 - n/a
4 - switch (climate control panel)
5 - ground
6 - n/a
7 - n/a
8 - n/a
9 - n/a
10 - to passenger seat module
UK Passenger Side:
1 - Feed to central electrics module
2 - switch (climate control panel)
3 - power for heated seats (30A fuse)
4 - joins to drivers seat pin 4.
5 - ground
6 - n/a
7 - n/a
8 - n/a
9 - n/a
10 - to passenger seat module
Your best bet is to try and find the wiring diagram for the vxr seats and compare.
Or you could get a set of gold seats, strip them down and retro fit into the vxr seats, then you can just plug and play?
Heated seat modules are easy and cheap to get.
So you just need to understand the wiring on the seats themselves and you should be able to sort it out.
Do you know what year / model car the seats came from?
So I am lead to believe that what I need to sort the wiring out is:
1. Genuine heated seat wiring loom for the passenger and the driver side seats (1 genuine loom will do or 2 or do I need to buy the kufatec loom?)
2. Heated seat module for the passenger side
Right?
So I am lead to believe that what I need to sort the wiring out is:
1. Genuine heated seat wiring loom for the passenger and the driver side seats (1 genuine loom will do or 2 or do I need to buy the kufatec loom?)
2. Heated seat module for the passenger side
Right?
If your car already had factory fitted heated seats, the loom is already in place (car side), which is what gives you the 10 pin plug in the floor under each seat.
S you need the looms for the seats themselves and 1 heated seat control module which is fitted under the passenger seat.
These looms I don't think are available from kufatec. The kufatec loom is for the car side.
Hello guys, i have one question and i would be thankfull if you help me
So this is the situation..
I have mk5 GTI 12/2007 year and non heated and manual Seats non leather..
And i have Got my hands on some letter seats also manual but with heated seats..
My question is, can i just connect the airbag and leave heating out. Because i have no time to make the wires now. And Will i get any errors or faults? What shoud i lookout for?
Thanx in advance. And to say that this is a verry usefull and Great forum. Pure art :congrats: :happy2:
Hello guys, i have one question and i would be thankfull if you help me
So this is the situation..
I have mk5 GTI 12/2007 year and non heated and manual Seats non leather..
And i have Got my hands on some letter seats also manual but with heated seats..
My question is, can i just connect the airbag and leave heating out. Because i have no time to make the wires now. And Will i get any errors or faults? What shoud i lookout for?
Thanx in advance. And to say that this is a verry usefull and Great forum. Pure art :congrats: :happy2:
Hi,
Yes, you can connect the airbags as they are a separate (yellow) connector. You should already have the connector coming out of the floor under the seat for the car side, and your new seats will have the matching connector.
Connect them together.
The heated seats work on their own circuits so can be completed when you're ready :happy2:
They should still physically connect together ok? Or are they totally different shape?
Are the seats from an earlier year golf?
After 2006, the airbag connectors changed, I guess the same as with the heated seat wiring.
You can leave them disconnected if you need to drive the car (you will get the airbag light on the dash which means the airbag system is disabled).
This light will need to be cleared later using VCDS.
I guess its a case of checking the wiring diagrams for pre / post 06 to seat which wires should match to which.
You could get the relevant connectors and make a convertor loom bridge between car and seat.
Or cut the connectors and connect with crimp terminals (bullet collectors).
Or you can make up a new connector with a resistor to make the car think the seat airbags are there when infact they are not connected.
Hi I'm new to this forum and hope someone can help me out here. I have a 57 reg Golf diesel which has cloth trim along with non heated seats and non electric seats at present. So the only connectors that I have is the two small ones yellow and black which are for airbag and seat occupancy sensor I believe. I have bought some leather heated seats with electric lumbar support these are from a 2004 Golf and have modules on each drivers seat.
My understanding is that i need to procure the Kufatec loom and am unsure of which one to get. My car also has the climatic control module the one which is not digital. I also have the climatic control unit from the 2004 model golf that the seats came out from. My golf has AC on the climatic control unit. The climatic control that came with the seats has the buttons for heated seats but no AC button instead it says ECON.
Is this unit compatible with my Golf as in will the AC still work ? Or do i need to get another CECM module for the AC to work etc.
Due to my car being a 57 or 2007 reg and the seats being 2004 which Kufatec loom should I order upto 2006 or 2007 onwards
Also i'm a little confused on which wiring configuration i should be using i believe it will be Climatic not sure on the pin configuration due to car being 2007 model and seats and cecm being 2004 model.
Lastly the yellow connector on my original seats looks to be a slightly different shape to the ones on the 2004 seats. I haven't tried to install the seats as yet. Will this connector fit as is or will it need chopping and changing from my old seats ? the colours are different brown, green , white on 2004 yellow connector and brown,blue black on original . Will the 2004 seat yellow connector just fit or need chopping off from current seats ?
Could somebody please help ?
Thanks In Advance. Apologies for all the questions.
I don’t think the connection differs whether it’s climatic or climatronic but I could be wrong. Can try looking on eBay for pictures of the back to see if they differ.
As for the fuse box - I used empty slots and put new fuses in (so make sure you have spares ready as I ended up having to take out others to test and it was annoying especially as I ended up blowing a couple)
How much extra was it to have kufatec custom make the extension?
Awaiting a response from Kufatec as of yesterday..I hope the same price
So I take it that the connection below is compulsory to CECM whether you have Cimatronic or Climatic ?
Can anyone comment on this ? In the guide there are dashes against the Climatic option with or without AC...
CECM
White (double crimp) CECM, Connector C, Pin 1
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I don’t think the connection differs whether it’s climatic or climatronic but I could be wrong. Can try looking on eBay for pictures of the back to see if they differ.
As for the fuse box - I used empty slots and put new fuses in (so make sure you have spares ready as I ended up having to take out others to test and it was annoying especially as I ended up blowing a couple)
How much extra was it to have kufatec custom make the extension?
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