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Title: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Revo Kev on July 18, 2012, 05:06:59 pm
Having spent countless development hours on newer engine types and various high power projects since our 2.0TFSI KO4 software was first released, we thought it beneficial to our existing customer base to incorporate some of this new tuning into our production software. Based on both these new tuning developments and customer feedback this tuning update has been developed, tested and is now available through the Revo Dealer Network.


Stage Overview:


Stage 1 Performance Software is designed to enhance the performance of an otherwise standard engine. Power, torque, responsiveness and flexibility are all improved while maintaining stock levels of smoothness, reliability and fuel economy. Stage 1 software is suitable for a healthy vehicle with standard components. Stage 1 software is boost, fuelling and timing adjustable allowing the vehicle to be setup to suit the fuel quality, driving conditions and driver preferences.
 
Stage 2 Performance Software has been specifically developed to attain the best possible performance from cars with bolt on performance modifications. Stage 2 allows you to run a de-cat or sports cat without getting a ‘CAT Efficiency’ error code or a having CEL (Check Engine Light) come on. It also gives you slightly more flexibility with settings over stage 1 to make the most of the additional potential from the up-rated hardware. Stage 2 software is also boost, fuelling and timing adjustable allowing the vehicle to be setup to suit the fuel quality, driving conditions and driver preferences. 2.0TFSI Stage 2 software is specifically tuned to suit the limitations of the standard high pressure fuel pump and is designed to suit the following hardware upgrades:

•   Turbo Back Exhaust
•   Cold Air Intake
•   FMIC (Recommended but not required)
 
Stage 2+ Performance Software has been specifically developed to attain the best possible performance from cars with bolt on performance modifications as per Stage 2 software, however is specific to cars with up-rated high pressure fuel pumps. Power increases depend very much on the hardware, settings and fuel being used. The up-rated fuel pump allows much more power throughout the rev range but specifically in the midrange where the stock pump is insufficient. Stage 2+ software is boost, fuelling and timing adjustable allowing the vehicle to be setup to suit the fuel quality, driving conditions and driver preferences. Hardware requirements are:

•   Turbo Back Exhaust with High Flow CAT or De-CAT
•   Cold Air Intake
•   Up-rated High Pressure Fuel Pump
•   FMIC - Recommended


Update Overview:

Increased flexibility of boost adjustment

A bigger difference in requested boost values between boost setting 6 and 9. Boost setting 9 will ask for much more throughout the midrange than boost setting 6. This allows a greater level of adjustability to suit varying driver preferences; boost 6 giving a much more progressive setup than boost 9. Boost 9 giving a much bigger ‘shove in the back’ at low rpm.

Increased flexibility of fuelling adjustment
A wider level of fuelling adjustment allows a greater level of flexibility in varying conditions.

More efficient temperature correction
Improved temperature correction for hot running conditions, the higher the temps. the more the ECU will pull back to compensate.

Fix to prevent incorrectly setup car suffering from power dip in midrange
Alteration to the way ECU correction effects power delivery if a vehicles settings are incorrect for the operating conditions or fuel quality being used; preventing an excessive dip in midrange typically referred to as a hesitation around 4500-5500rpm.

Linear Throttle options available for all 2.0TFSI K04 Stage2 and Stage2+ vehicles
Linear Throttle offers the driver more control over the vehicle than the factory standard throttle response. Rather than giving full load at low throttle input, Linear Throttle gives you exactly what you ask for. i.e. press the throttle down 25% and you get 25% of engine capability, press it down 100% and you get 100%. Giving a much more useable vehicle, a must have for the true driver.

Fix to prevent sporadic ‘System too Rich at Idle’ fault
Fix to issue previous seen on some ECU codes, not all 2.0TFSI K04 codes were affected.
Indicative Power/Torque Graph:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi330.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl429%2Fvekhl%2FRevo%2FStock-STG1-2-2.jpg&hash=1e630cd7af70b580113f895a7532897525fc96b6)

•   Testing done in UK conditions using Shell VPower
•   Stage2 car running Milltek Turbo Back + Revo Development Intake
•   Stage2+ car running Milltek Turbo Back + Revo Development Intake + Autotech HPFP Internals


This Software Update is Relevant to:

Audi S3         -   2.0TFSI
Audi TTS         -   2.0TFSI
Seat Leon Cupra   -   2.0TFSI
Seat Leon Cupra R   -   2.0TFSI
VW Golf V Ed30           -   2.0TFSI
VW Golf V Pirelli Ed   -   2.0TFSI
VW Golf R              -   2.0TFSI
VW Scirocco R      -   2.0TFSI



FAQ’s:

Do I need to have this update?

It’s not a requirement however it’s a FOC upgrade with benefits to the drivability of your vehicle. The best just got better!

How much more power will my car have?
The revised software is showing gains in the midrange with peak figures largely unaffected. As with all Revo software the emphasis is on the useable power, torque, smoothness and reliability. We aren’t tuning for ‘dyno/pub talk’ figures but for real world useable performance.

Will my SPS still work with the new software?
Your SPS will work with the same functionality it currently has. The performance modes will need to be altered to suit the new Revo settings once your car has been setup on the revised software.


Please contact your Revo Dealer to arrange for your software update.
Note: Revo Dealers reserve the right to charge a labour fee for their time.

Over the next few days we will be arranging Revo 'update' events throughout the UK; details to follow.

If you have any specific questions about these updates or the effect on your vehicle, please contact the Revo Support Office.

support@revotechnik.com
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 05:16:47 pm
 :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 18, 2012, 05:34:19 pm
Sounds good to me! I have a dip in mid range on stg2 ed30

When are these updates available?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on July 18, 2012, 06:01:56 pm
sounds interesting  :congrats:

Sounds good to me! I have a dip in mid range on stg2 ed30

When are these updates available?

Read the post, it says at the bottom :happy2:

Please contact your Revo Dealer to arrange for your software update.
Note: Revo Dealers reserve the right to charge a labour fee for their time.

Over the next few days we will be arranging Revo 'update' events throughout the UK; details to follow.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on July 18, 2012, 07:19:25 pm
Dom, your car already has the updated software installed.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on July 18, 2012, 07:22:28 pm
My graph looks nothing like that though :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 18, 2012, 07:26:30 pm

Have you got your graph Dom?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 18, 2012, 07:29:06 pm
Best go have a word with my Revo dealer then at the weekend   :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on July 18, 2012, 07:29:34 pm
I was being sarcastic Mike, my stage 2+ must be roughly 200bhp at the minute :signLOL:

This is the last RR it did

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2F91fd97f2.jpg&hash=50b282af962f55c1aea3529c07a8a04b8019a9b7)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: john_o on July 18, 2012, 09:01:42 pm
looks good, any reason why I cant have a linear throttle map on stage 1 ?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 09:02:44 pm
looks good, any reason why I cant have a linear throttle map on stage 1 ?


No reason at all... i know because Ive got it.  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: maxload on July 18, 2012, 09:03:15 pm
Great news. This also includes the linier throttle map , as well as more gains by the look of those graphs  :happy2:
Title: Re: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Bignod00 on July 18, 2012, 09:09:58 pm
Getting the updated map on my motor 2mo, can't wait!:D
Title: Re: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 18, 2012, 09:27:12 pm
Getting the updated map on my motor 2mo, can't wait!:D

Immediate updates please  :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on July 18, 2012, 09:28:05 pm
My graph looks nothing like that though :laugh:

Yours was actually produced by a real dyno and not Microsoft paint   :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 09:28:20 pm
QUICK QUICK QUICK.... everyone back on the REVO boat!!!  :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on July 18, 2012, 09:36:48 pm
Not so quick rich, 'the other' tuner may start giving free remaps away again next week!
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Bignod00 on July 18, 2012, 09:37:31 pm
Getting the updated map on my motor 2mo, can't wait!:D

Immediate updates please  :wink:
No problems mate, will drop you a line once I'm home from work and got the car!

QUICK QUICK QUICK.... everyone back on the REVO boat!!!  :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Never left......
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 09:38:13 pm
Not so quick rich, 'the other' tuner may start giving free remaps away again next week!

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on July 18, 2012, 09:45:37 pm
My graph looks nothing like that though :laugh:

Yours was actually produced by a real dyno and not Microsoft paint   :grin:

Like I said dave I was referring to the fact my car currently is worse than stock, not having a dig about the new 'APR beating' stage 2+ revo maps :wink:

I hated the linear throttle map, just incase everyone jumps on the bandwagon and regrets it, compared to the way the car drives currently, feels like you've lost a load of power IMO
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: wigit on July 18, 2012, 09:47:19 pm
Quote
Increased flexibility of boost adjustment
A bigger difference in requested boost values between boost setting 6 and 9. Boost setting 9 will ask for much more throughout the midrange than boost setting 6. This allows a greater level of adjustability to suit varying driver preferences; boost 6 giving a much more progressive setup than boost 9. Boost 9 giving a much bigger ‘shove in the back’ at low rpm.

having been trying Stage 1 & 2 files on the Ed35 i really like the difference this makes, i actually liked the linear throttle map, just takes a bit of time to learn how to drive it properly, don't give a monkeys what the rollers say on the road it feels great
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on July 18, 2012, 09:56:51 pm
I dislike the linear map as well. others love it, nice to have the option though.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 09:57:33 pm
I dislike the linear map as well. others love it, nice to have the option though.

Can i ask why?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on July 18, 2012, 10:02:28 pm
low-mid throttle power is lost, I like the feel of not having to use full throttle to make good power as it gives the feeling that the car is lighter and by using smaller throttle inputs it feels more controllable.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 10:09:31 pm
low-mid throttle power is lost, I like the feel of not having to use full throttle to make good power as it gives the feeling that the car is lighter and by using smaller throttle inputs it feels more controllable.

Could that be the reason why when I change gear on part throttle at about 2500RPM (using the paddles) that it feels like the boost gets cut?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on July 18, 2012, 10:16:02 pm
So how does the new software compare with APR's?  :popcornsoda:


















 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on July 18, 2012, 10:26:32 pm
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I guess I must be right in thinking that this software update only applies to K04 cars and not K03's.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Hedge on July 18, 2012, 10:45:02 pm
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I guess I must be right in thinking that this software update only applies to K04 cars and not K03's.

Yes Robin that's why it says K04 in the title.  :confused: :rolleye:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 18, 2012, 10:47:53 pm
.
I guess I must be right in thinking that this software update only applies to K04 cars and not K03's.

Yes Robin that's why it says K04 in the title.  :confused: :rolleye:

Someone get Robin his readers....
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Hedge on July 18, 2012, 10:52:47 pm
Single ticket to Switzerland.  :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on July 18, 2012, 11:11:02 pm

Single ticket to Switzerland.  :wink:


....Lake Geneva, please! I haven't been there for ages.

I know it said "K04" in the title and in the text and furthermore that no K03 car was listed but just wanted it confirmed, preferably by Revo. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Hedge on July 18, 2012, 11:20:39 pm
So the fact that Revo start the thread with K04 in the title isn't enough for you?   :confused:

Give me strength.  :sad1:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on July 18, 2012, 11:28:34 pm
^^^^
Whatever!  :rolleye:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Hedge on July 19, 2012, 08:24:22 am
^^^^^^

 :stupid:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: jammy78 on July 19, 2012, 09:11:05 am
Bollocks.... I paid my local installer £25 to put back on my lost settings...... on Monday! When was the update actually released?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 09:41:41 am
Revo, a couple of questions...

Firstly your stage 2+ car isn't noted as having an intercooler, can you confirm which car this was based on. as on the Ed30 Stage 2 I am seeing heatsoak which is preventing me using B9... Surely with Stage 2+ it would need an Intercooler S3 or beyond... I'm only seeing 309bhp on B8, was you test car running B9?

Secondly, I was getting fuel cuts on stage 2 before fitting my APR fuel pump, as it was requesting 130bar which the standard fuel pump can't manage... why do you not advertise that a fuel pump is needed on stage 2 cars?

I want to go stage 2+, but am waiting for a THS/ProAlloy Intercooler to available to myself so I can reliably run it.

Is your Stage 2+ software as reliable and developed/'polished' as much as your Stage 2 software...?

Thanks in advance,

Dom
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: danishmkvgti on July 19, 2012, 09:54:32 am
Revo, a scouple of questions...

Firstly your stage 2+ car isn't noted as having an intercooler, can you confirm which car this was based on. as on the Ed30 Stage 2 I am seeing heatsoak which is preventing me using B9... Surely with Stage 2+ it would need an Intercooler S3 or beyond...

Copied from REVO's homepage as requirements for the stage 2+:
 "Turbo back exhaust without pre-cat and either decat or highflow catalytic convertor (2.5"-3.0" recommended)
  Cold Air intake (from turbo inlet pipe to front of car replacing factory airbox for best gains)
  uprated or additional intercooler (S3 uses larger stock IC but additional IC is recommended)
  highflow mechanical fuel pump www.autotech.com "

Secondly, I was getting fuel cuts on stage 2 before fitting my APR fuel pump, as it was requesting 130bar which the standard fuel pump can't manage... why do you not advertise that a fuel pump is needed on stage 2 cars?

I want to go stage 2+, but am waiting for a THS/ProAlloy Intercooler to available to myself so I can reliably run it.

Is your Stage 2+ software as reliable and 'polished' as your Stage 2 software...?

Thanks in advance,

Dom
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 10:04:09 am
Revo, a scouple of questions...

Firstly your stage 2+ car isn't noted as having an intercooler, can you confirm which car this was based on. as on the Ed30 Stage 2 I am seeing heatsoak which is preventing me using B9... Surely with Stage 2+ it would need an Intercooler S3 or beyond...

Copied from REVO's homepage as requirements for the stage 2+:
 "Turbo back exhaust without pre-cat and either decat or highflow catalytic convertor (2.5"-3.0" recommended)
  Cold Air intake (from turbo inlet pipe to front of car replacing factory airbox for best gains)
  uprated or additional intercooler (S3 uses larger stock IC but additional IC is recommended)
  highflow mechanical fuel pump www.autotech.com "

Secondly, I was getting fuel cuts on stage 2 before fitting my APR fuel pump, as it was requesting 130bar which the standard fuel pump can't manage... why do you not advertise that a fuel pump is needed on stage 2 cars?

I want to go stage 2+, but am waiting for a THS/ProAlloy Intercooler to available to myself so I can reliably run it.

Is your Stage 2+ software as reliable and 'polished' as your Stage 2 software...?

Thanks in advance,

Dom

Thanks Danish, my point was that, the list of parts on the Stage2+ car wasn't noted as having a larger or an additional intercooler.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on July 19, 2012, 10:35:20 am
^^^^
I wonder if Revo would have specified a brand of HPFP if the best one wasn't made by their rival APR  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 10:37:31 am
^^^^
I wonder if Revo would have specified a brand of HPFP if the best one wasn't made by their rival APR  :evilgrin:

 :signLOL: No way I would have put Autotech internals on mine...

"Revo specifies APR fuel pump Shocker"
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: danishmkvgti on July 19, 2012, 10:54:14 am
^^^^
I wonder if Revo would have specified a brand of HPFP if the best one wasn't made by their rival APR  :evilgrin:

My thoughts exactly when i copy/pasted it  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 19, 2012, 11:21:39 am
Anyone care to share why the autotech internals are not upto the job?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 19, 2012, 11:45:06 am
Think I'm gonna go stage 2 and match the Wigit  :driver:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: stealthwolf on July 19, 2012, 01:32:25 pm
Anyone care to share why the autotech internals are not upto the job?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23331.0
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23217.0.html
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: jedi-knight83 on July 19, 2012, 03:39:37 pm
I notice stage 2 and stage 2+ actually make less power than stage 1 before about 3500 rpm.

Does this back up the theory that an after market intake actually lowers intake pressure so the turbo doesn't spool up as fast.

It certainly felt 'flatter' at low rpm with my itg fitted to my stage 1
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 03:53:45 pm
I notice stage 2 and stage 2+ actually make less power than stage 1 before about 3500 rpm.

Does this back up the theory that an after market intake actually lowers intake pressure so the turbo doesn't spool up as fast.

It certainly felt 'flatter' at low rpm with my itg fitted to my stage 1

I was stage 1 on my Edition 30, no mods - got 289bhp on JKMs rollers, had a 3"DP and 200 Cell cat and ITG panel filter, felt quicker but flat through mid range/top and only got 272bhp... Was obviously retarding timing, and would have been even worse with an CAI on... as it requests 130bar on the pump, which the oem throws it's dummy at..

Full BCS cat-back on top, APR HPFP and EVOMS and on B8T5F7 i'm only getting 309bhp... but does like to rev right through...

Nice to see Revo come back and answer the queries :)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Revo Kev on July 19, 2012, 05:20:38 pm
Our software revisions have been tested on all variants of the 2.0TFSI K04 engined vehicles, the graphs were from an ED30.

We recommend using an up-rated FMIC in order to use full boost potential and not see excessive heatsoak, regardless heatsoak is always more prominent on a rolling road.

A HPFP upgrade has never been a requirement for Stage2 software. Revo adjustability is designed to allow the vehicle to be setup to maximise the potential of your car in the given conditions, fuel quality and for the hardware modifications and incorrectly setup car is never going to be 100%.
As per the original post new Stage2 software is designed around the limitations of the standard HPFP.

You can reliably run Stage2+ without an intercooler upgrade, however it is advised to run lower boost settings to prevent excessive heatsoak.

Dyno's are indicative at best, there are numerous factors that effect a power curve. Loading of a car can affect the initial power/torque curves. Stage2 software doesn't make anymore torque at peak than stage1, the torque curve is different due to HPFP limitations. Most breathing modifications 'move' torque up/down the rev range, without an intake or turbo back exhaust upgrade the midrange and top-end would be massively limited. To give you an idea on these cars an intake can allow for around 0.4bar more over approx. 5krpm to redline if the car is setup correctly.

Get you cars updated and Go Play!
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: ukdub on July 19, 2012, 05:27:10 pm
Any update for a K04 upgraded AXX  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: danishmkvgti on July 19, 2012, 05:36:59 pm
Any updates for a AXX ECU running a BWJ Cupra engine?  :smiley:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 19, 2012, 05:41:18 pm
Well I'm booked into HQ for jump to Stage 2 map so will see how that does when I take it back to SRR for dyno'ing.

Kinda like my stage 1 set up though  :smiley:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 06:17:05 pm
Will the settings stay the same? As mine was set up on a rolling road(by JKM) and my local Revo dealer (VAS Works) doesn't have a RR...

Cheers.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 19, 2012, 07:20:36 pm
I'm expecting Kev to change my settings to allow the engine to perform at its best / most efficient! (I want some extra mpg too lol)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 19, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
Popped up to see the chaps at REVO HQ today to get the new map version.

 :driver: :driver: Ill say no more....  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 19, 2012, 07:40:46 pm
Popped up to see the chaps at REVO HQ today to get the new map version.

 :driver: :driver: Ill say no more....  :laugh:

But do say more Rich  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Saintsteve on July 19, 2012, 07:43:36 pm
So have Revo just lowered the requested Fuel pressure back from 130 bar to 115 bar on stage 2 to stop the fuel cuts issue, so that the OEM fuel pump can cope?..that's what it sounds like.  :confused:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 09:02:43 pm
You can reliably run Stage2+ without an intercooler upgrade, however it is advised to run lower boost settings to prevent excessive heatsoak.

Surely stage2+ with boost turned down is not going to be any better than stage 2 with the boost set to the highest before heatsoak becomes an issue?

And as steve asks, have you now reduced the requested fuel on stage 2? Surely less fuel, means less air required to get the mix = less power?

Personally I just want the best map for my hardware, and thought I had it, but this has left me all confused...  :sad1:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 09:06:43 pm
Popped up to see the chaps at REVO HQ today to get the new map version.

 :driver: :driver: Ill say no more....  :laugh:

Put me out my misery... is it any better...? :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 19, 2012, 09:19:14 pm
I think so yes.

Seems to pull harder in 6th gear 80mph+
Mid range power seems improved.
Seems to be a bit smoother, but not lacking punch.
DSG pop seems a fraction louder (damn i want a TBE), maybe as a result of increased boost pressure.

I need to log the g/s with VCDS, and also hopefully get it back on R-Tech Rolling Road (where it has been on before) to see whats happened.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8433%2F7605535264_f0d25c4601_c.jpg&hash=a4d7aabbf3a1c36134481ed111ba4299d8593be1)

Rich
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 19, 2012, 09:29:04 pm
Email to JKM tomorrow then, see if I can tie it in with a service... looks like 2+ might be on the cards if Revo can convince me and JKM say it's wise...

Those graphs are a bit paintshop though, and my stage 2 isn't making anyway near that... maybe the dyno lottery of course...
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 19, 2012, 09:35:01 pm
What what ive heard about all stage 2 maps i wouldnt bother with it. If I could afford it and wanted to do it, I would go straight to stage 2+. (Thats unless this update fixes the dip in power in the mid range)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 19, 2012, 09:37:11 pm
Well I'm at 330/340 at stage 1. I expect a bit more with stage 2!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 19, 2012, 09:42:35 pm
Well I'm at 330/340 at stage 1. I expect a bit more with stage 2!  :signLOL:

Blimey... I bet thats a handful already Lee, i didnt know that the 'R' mapped that high on stage 1  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 19, 2012, 09:48:26 pm
Vince at TT Shop has mapped it real nice but after checking with Kev might as well give Stage 2 a go!
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: George on July 19, 2012, 11:08:54 pm
Revo, are you going to name this update so it's easy for future reference or will it be always known as the FOC Update?  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: bacillus on July 20, 2012, 10:03:54 am
Any update for a K04 upgraded AXX  :happy2:

Probably as much of the mapping should be similiar but only Revo can confirm.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: danishmkvgti on July 20, 2012, 11:03:23 am
Any update for a K04 upgraded AXX  :happy2:

Probably as much of the mapping should be similiar but only Revo can confirm.

Only difference should be the restriction of max value of the MAP sensor on the AXX being 1,55Bar and not 2Bar as the ED30/Cupra/S3 IMO
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poverty on July 20, 2012, 05:33:28 pm
Not so quick rich, 'the other' tuner may start giving free remaps away again next week!

the one thats still making more power?  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 20, 2012, 06:24:34 pm
How's your car coming along anyway Pov? You going Forge day again  :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 20, 2012, 07:16:00 pm
Just a quick one.

When Kev set my car up he said that he couldn't push the timing any more than '4' (it was on 4 before for the same reason), why is that? Is it just that all cars react differently? Is there anything I can do about it?

I know.... I should have asked at the time but didnt  :laugh:

Rich
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RobH on July 20, 2012, 07:26:17 pm
Just a quick one.

When Kev set my car up he said that he couldn't push the timing any more than '4' (it was on 4 before for the same reason), why is that? Is it just that all cars react differently? Is there anything I can do about it?

I know.... I should have asked at the time but didnt  :laugh:

Rich

bigger intercooler may allow you to advance timing or wmi or race fuel :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: bacillus on July 20, 2012, 08:00:38 pm
Just a quick one.

When Kev set my car up he said that he couldn't push the timing any more than '4' (it was on 4 before for the same reason), why is that? Is it just that all cars react differently? Is there anything I can do about it?

I know.... I should have asked at the time but didnt  :laugh:

Rich

What plugs and octane petrol are you using?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 20, 2012, 08:10:31 pm
V-power usually (was running Vpower when I had the update).. and NGK plugs (platinum I think), which are not that old. Gonna change the plugs at its next service in 3-4K
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 20, 2012, 08:16:32 pm
I'm running 5 but then I do have the twin cooler on.  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 20, 2012, 08:27:20 pm
Ok Lee... so must just be down to intake temps then?  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 20, 2012, 09:06:52 pm
Ok Lee... so must just be down to intake temps then?  :happy2:

I just asked Vince to up it to 5 from 3 if possible after clutch upgrade. He said the logs looked fine and it was running strong. Only slight timing pull at 3k rpm possibly due to FP limitation but otherwise no issues whatsoever!

Guess the bits on the car work I suppose  :smiley:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on July 20, 2012, 09:48:32 pm
I'm running B8T5F7 on stage 2 and was running T5 on stage 1 but heard a few cars runnin low T's... Must just be down to the car...
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 21, 2012, 01:05:01 pm
Went out for a little blast this morning after fixing my rear arb bushes. It just pulls and pulls, to say its only stage 1 its bonkers  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 21, 2012, 01:32:01 pm
I run T2 on ed30 stage 2. Every car indeed is different!
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 02:05:20 pm
Went out for a little blast this morning after fixing my rear arb bushes. It just pulls and pulls, to say its only stage 1 its bonkers  :signLOL:

Excellent!!!  :congrats:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poverty on July 21, 2012, 06:06:42 pm
I run T2 on ed30 stage 2. Every car indeed is different!

With the tolerances of modern cars now I'd probably be inclined to think you might want to get that checked out mate.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 21, 2012, 10:52:34 pm
I run T2 on ed30 stage 2. Every car indeed is different!

With the tolerances of modern cars now I'd probably be inclined to think you might want to get that checked out mate.

Not sure what you mean by that?

My car was setup by a company trusted by revo well above setting up stage 2 cars with there software on a hub dyno as well as by a tuner I trust.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poverty on July 22, 2012, 01:46:00 am
I run T2 on ed30 stage 2. Every car indeed is different!

With the tolerances of modern cars now I'd probably be inclined to think you might want to get that checked out mate.

Not sure what you mean by that?

My car was setup by a company trusted by revo well above setting up stage 2 cars with there software on a hub dyno as well as by a tuner I trust.

Basically, yes engines are different, but not to that great extent. Im assuming the car was logged out on the road, and due to timing pull the timing was set at only 2.

Either that day you had a bad patch of fuel in the car or something isnt 100% with it. Timing 2 is like really really low, when others are running to over double and triple the amount of timing.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 22, 2012, 09:10:22 am
Don't call me argumentative more intrigued but if my cars making good power with a strong curve that doesn't die off, why do I need to add more timing to the map?

I'm stage 2 with Inlet, tbe and making 305bhp@hubs and 317ft.lb@ hubs.

Admittley it has the mid range dip described by revo but hopefully there updated file will help with smoothing that out
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poverty on July 22, 2012, 09:49:44 am
Don't call me argumentative more intrigued but if my cars making good power with a strong curve that doesn't die off, why do I need to add more timing to the map?

I'm stage 2 with Inlet, tbe and making 305bhp@hubs and 317ft.lb@ hubs.

Admittley it has the mid range dip described by revo but hopefully there updated file will help with smoothing that out

You don't HAVE to add more timing, but I'd want to know why my car is running considerably less timing than everyone else personally.

Can you post up the graph at all, interested to see what it looks like with timing set at 2!
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 22, 2012, 11:05:26 am
I asked that when setting it up. It was put to T4 at my request and produced the same power,just made more torque and started to introduce a slight amount of knock at the top top end so for safety was pulled back. It's a road car not track.

At the time I had a std clutch in and with no money it was put at T2 so the torque dropped off to save it till I had more money.

Now revo have introduced new software which supposedly kill my mid range dip and I'm running a 400ftlb Sachs clutch ill be heading back to my tuner and see wat the outcome is. Alot has changed since my original visit for stage 2 last December.

I'll post up the graph when back on my home pc  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 22, 2012, 11:59:02 am
I asked that when setting it up. It was put to T4 at my request and produced the same power,just made more torque and started to introduce a slight amount of knock at the top top end so for safety was pulled back. It's a road car not track.

At the time I had a std clutch in and with no money it was put at T2 so the torque dropped off to save it till I had more money.

Now revo have introduced new software which supposedly kill my mid range dip and I'm running a 400ftlb Sachs clutch ill be heading back to my tuner and see wat the outcome is. Alot has changed since my original visit for stage 2 last December.

I'll post up the graph when back on my home pc  :happy2:

Same reason as me for running T3 to protect the clutch but didnt last  :signLOL:  T5 post Sachs upgrade and it's all good!  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on July 23, 2012, 11:24:12 am
If it's running 305bhp @ the hubs/wheels on Stage 2 then there is certainly nothing wrong with that..  :surprised:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2012, 11:27:06 am
Dom...... any good???  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Revo Kev on July 23, 2012, 12:13:07 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F549063_10151964730555118_121568073_n.jpg&hash=7a732bb048b19f1b6437d5576e5a01a4dbe9c1e0)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 23, 2012, 12:23:04 pm
Will this just be a case of show up and get the new software loaded? How will the settings you need for your car be worked out?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2012, 12:54:02 pm
Yes dan!

Settings will be adjusted during a road logging session. Mine took about an hour to do. :-)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 23, 2012, 12:58:35 pm
Ah right ok. Cheers rich  :happy2:

I can go to revo and be set up on the road or my tuner my tuner and be set up on a hub dyno. Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2012, 01:09:47 pm
Ah right ok. Cheers rich  :happy2:

I can go to revo and be set up on the road or my tuner my tuner and be set up on a hub dyno. Hmmmmmm

Hub dyno in Doncaster by any chance?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 23, 2012, 01:41:50 pm
Yeah Will at RDT mike  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2012, 01:56:34 pm
Yeah Will at RDT mike  :happy2:

Cool. Had a hunch. My mate Beddoes has recommended that place before  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedED30 on July 23, 2012, 02:17:01 pm
Booked in for Saturday.. Great Birthday Present coming!  :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Hedge on July 23, 2012, 02:34:35 pm
You seem to be spending a lot of time in this thread Mike, are you not thinking of upgrading to Revo's K04 map?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 23, 2012, 02:47:40 pm
Yeah Will at RDT mike  :happy2:

Cool. Had a hunch. My mate Beddoes has recommended that place before  :happy2:

Yeah Will is a good guy! So much knowledge about stuff I've never even thought of. He runs a big powered Honda ek9 turbo and has some impressive builds in the workshop all year round. He can be found on Facebook if you fancy a nosey ( Race Dyno Tuning) his approach to engines and services in general is clinical!!

Im hoping to go see him next week, feel free to pop in when I'm there if you fancy?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2012, 03:05:44 pm

Will do if I'm about  :smiley:  I live in Nottigham now but visit Doncaster at weekends

He fitting your new engine mounts  :innocent: :innocent:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on July 23, 2012, 03:13:40 pm
Haha no ill be fine fitting mounts  :happy2:

Cool no probs, well I'll drop you a pm when I'm heading over and if your free your welcome to meet us
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2012, 03:39:56 pm
Just driven a stage 2+ ed30.... my god, felt great to drive. Loved everything about it, the sound, the power...  :love:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2012, 03:41:12 pm
Haha no ill be fine fitting mounts  :happy2:

Cool no probs, well I'll drop you a pm when I'm heading over and if your free your welcome to meet us

 :happy2: and  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on July 23, 2012, 04:27:36 pm
Just driven a stage 2+ ed30.... my god, felt great to drive. Loved everything about it, the sound, the power...  :love:

Sounds like you might be spending a few £££'s soon then :driver:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 23, 2012, 05:45:29 pm
You seem to be spending a lot of time in this thread Mike, are you not thinking of upgrading to Revo's K04 map?

Its a guarantee that the thought has crossed his mind  :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on July 24, 2012, 07:06:01 pm
FAO Revo chaps...

Any plans to make a linear version of the the stage 1 update?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on July 26, 2012, 05:36:05 pm
Wouldn't worry bout your T4 setting Rich...mine didn't like any more than 5 today but it is rather hot out there!!!

Boost setting now at 9 tho  :driver:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on August 03, 2012, 10:58:18 am
Anyone had the Stage 2 map update yet? Any feedback?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on August 03, 2012, 12:27:16 pm
I'm trying to book in with nick at R-tech Dom but not heard back off him yet :(

Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on August 03, 2012, 10:21:01 pm
Just below ed30 stage 2+ update installed and it seems to be an improvement, especially in the mid range. I didn't go for the linear map so was wondering if anyone had feedback on this
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedED30 on August 05, 2012, 10:22:21 am
Just below ed30 stage 2+ update installed and it seems to be an improvement, especially in the mid range. I didn't go for the linear map so was wondering if anyone had feedback on this

I'm Only Stage 2 and the linear throttle imo makes a big difference. I do more town, dual carriageway and backroad driving and feel that i can balance the car on the throttle and make more progress because of it.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: kiddfrost on August 05, 2012, 02:11:58 pm
Visted AKS last weekend for some custom exhaust work and had my 2+ updated with linear throttle.
I think the update is awesome.
The delivery feels smoother than before and there definitely seems to be more grunt up top. The flat spot/hesitation I had at 5200rpm has pretty much disappeared. Mine was also suffering from the system too rich at idle which has now gone.
The linear throttle is just brilliant. I could never really use second gear before as the throttle was like an on/off switch. I can now feed the power in nicely in second gear without lighting up the rubber and get pinned back in the seat.
For me, the update has transformed my driving experience and the car is just more fun to drive.
Settings are 969, 979 with wmi, will see if it can handle 989 after fine tuning the wmi.

Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on August 05, 2012, 03:01:28 pm
Hmm... does anyone know if we can get a 2nd FOC update?  I went with the non-linear throttle, but interested in the feedback on the linear version
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: robern2 on August 08, 2012, 08:19:27 am
Had the code applied to my stage2+ ed30 on tuesday (non linear) - like others have said, the power delivery is smoother throughout the range, the flat spot at 5200 is gone. Car is more responsive in low/med revs.
Definitely worthwhile.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 09, 2012, 02:16:48 am
heres some dyno plots before and after the new revo file. i know theyre from different dynos, but give a rough idea


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2F155c220a.jpg&hash=f2abccf529940412314affec7cc7b968dba04081)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fimage.png&hash=7cc98277438cf28800a5e32d7f0938b3db7c72ff)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: PDT on August 09, 2012, 02:29:38 pm
Dom, you were already on the latest version of REVO software.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 10, 2012, 09:24:48 pm
so...

of everyone who has had it done is the general concensus that the non-linear update is the one to go for??
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Cupra R on August 10, 2012, 09:32:37 pm
Personally. I prefer the linear version.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 10, 2012, 11:42:58 pm
I prefer the non linear :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: damoegan on August 11, 2012, 12:20:50 am
I prefer the linear too (diferent brant of software though)  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poppa Dom on August 16, 2012, 12:11:16 am
Guys, I'm currently in New Zealand at the moment, but went up to Daventry at they end of July to have the revised S2+ with linear throttle map flashed. Not driven the car enough to write a review yet, for obvious reasons, but will add to this thread when I return. All I'm going to say at the moment is well done Revo.  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 16, 2012, 01:15:01 pm
Our software revisions have been tested on all variants of the 2.0TFSI K04 engined vehicles, the graphs were from an ED30.

We recommend using an up-rated FMIC in order to use full boost potential and not see excessive heatsoak, regardless heatsoak is always more prominent on a rolling road.

A HPFP upgrade has never been a requirement for Stage2 software. Revo adjustability is designed to allow the vehicle to be setup to maximise the potential of your car in the given conditions, fuel quality and for the hardware modifications and incorrectly setup car is never going to be 100%.
As per the original post new Stage2 software is designed around the limitations of the standard HPFP.

You can reliably run Stage2+ without an intercooler upgrade, however it is advised to run lower boost settings to prevent excessive heatsoak.


Can't believe I have only just seen this thread... :grin:

Does the above mean that if I go for an update, I can then strip out my APR pump and flog it (and hope I won't need it, like I first thought when I decided to go Stage2)?  :confused:  :signLOL:

Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 16, 2012, 01:18:43 pm
Might aswell go for the stage 2+ Mandy !
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 16, 2012, 01:30:32 pm
Might aswell go for the stage 2+ Mandy !

Stop encouraging me lol... Don't think it would be a good idea, like some others my Timing setting is low, 3 I think, always has been but not sure why. Don't want to go down the route of an intercooler etc either.

Not sure if it's worth me getting the update or not...
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on August 16, 2012, 01:40:20 pm

We recommend using an up-rated FMIC in order to use full boost potential and not see excessive heatsoak, regardless heatsoak is always more prominent on a rolling road.

A HPFP upgrade has never been a requirement for Stage2 software. Revo adjustability is designed to allow the vehicle to be setup to maximise the potential of your car in the given conditions, fuel quality and for the hardware modifications and incorrectly setup car is never going to be 100%.

As per the original post new Stage2 software is designed around the limitations of the standard HPFP.

You can reliably run Stage2+ without an intercooler upgrade, however it is advised to run lower boost settings to prevent excessive heatsoak.


Does the above mean that if I go for an update, I can then strip out my APR pump and flog it (and hope I won't need it, like I first thought when I decided to go Stage2)?  :confused:  :signLOL:


....If you already have an APR pump installed it can do nothing but good in managing a car's fuelling needs. An APR pump will help smooth and reliable power delivery. It's rather like Revo have posted about their recommendation for an aftermarket intercooler - Not essential but it contributes.

If in doubt, ask JKM - You already know how reliable and helpful they are.  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 16, 2012, 04:35:55 pm
Might aswell go for the stage 2+ Mandy !

Stop encouraging me lol... Don't think it would be a good idea, like some others my Timing setting is low, 3 I think, always has been but not sure why. Don't want to go down the route of an intercooler etc either.

Not sure if it's worth me getting the update or not...

I think 2+ is such a well worth transformation over stage 2. Bear in mind sunglasses Ron ran his stage 2+ with a stock FMIC, and that car was worked hard, and had quite a few miles on by the time he got rid. I ran mine for a year with the stock cooler aswell.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 16, 2012, 10:24:01 pm

....If you already have an APR pump installed it can do nothing but good in managing a car's fuelling needs. An APR pump will help smooth and reliable power delivery. It's rather like Revo have posted about their recommendation for an aftermarket intercooler - Not essential but it contributes.

If in doubt, ask JKM - You already know how reliable and helpful they are.  :happy2:

Yes I will probably give Kate a ring somewhen, thanks Robin. I just wouldn't see the point in keeping the APR pump if it's not 'needed' by the map, wouldn't seem like money well spent. (That could be decent handbag money we're talking about!) :grin:


Might aswell go for the stage 2+ Mandy !

Stop encouraging me lol... Don't think it would be a good idea, like some others my Timing setting is low, 3 I think, always has been but not sure why. Don't want to go down the route of an intercooler etc either.

Not sure if it's worth me getting the update or not...

I think 2+ is such a well worth transformation over stage 2. Bear in mind sunglasses Ron ran his stage 2+ with a stock FMIC, and that car was worked hard, and had quite a few miles on by the time he got rid. I ran mine for a year with the stock cooler aswell.

I see, but with my timing setting already low, I'm guessing it would only make things worse if I went 2+ with a stock IC.

I will have a little read about intercoolers.....
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on August 16, 2012, 11:20:39 pm
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It's a slippery slope, Mandy. Kev @ Revo, who has a huge amount of experience of modding, once told me that each of us has to draw our own line in the sand and then not cross it. Easier said than done but the more you push the performance envelope, the more is needed. It costs more and more money and you have to make sure you keep reliability and driveability. Do you really need more power than you already have from your Ed30?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on August 17, 2012, 01:18:44 pm
Haha... Mandy, I'm in the same situation as you(funny that as we have the similar mods!)

I don't believe I'd want to remove the APR pump on the basis Revo have changed enough of their map to not require it, i.e requesting 130bar... And anyway if it's requesting 130bar and your pumps giving it, aslong as you're getting the AFR right then surely this will make more power than a map that requests less fuel... on the basis of more fuel/air=more power...

Like you i'm stage 2, and require an intercooler to go stage 2+, but still wonder if I just max out Stage 2 and start on suspension mods, or go the whole hog and jump to stage 2+ as I would have all the supporting gear to run reliably I believe.

There's hopefully going to be an Airtec GB coming up if you wanted a cheaper(still quality) intercooler option, and then you can decide stay at stage 2 and max out the settings or push for stage 2+...

But you know if I go stage 2+ then to keep our cars the same you will need to too!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on August 17, 2012, 01:26:01 pm

Haha... Mandy, I'm in the same situation as you(funny that as we have the similar mods!)

I don't believe I'd want to remove the APR pump on the basis Revo have changed enough of their map to not require it, i.e requesting 130bar... And anyway if it's requesting 130bar and your pumps giving it, aslong as you're getting the AFR right then surely this will make more power than a map that requests less fuel... on the basis of more fuel/air=more power...

Like you i'm stage 2, and require an intercooler to go stage 2+, but still wonder if I just max out Stage 2 and start on suspension mods, or go the whole hog and jump to stage 2+ as I would have all the supporting gear to run reliably I believe.


....Suspension/handling mods! Power is useless without traction.

I agree with your advice on the APR pump - It's not essential but a mod which gives headroom and contributes to a smoother power delivery.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on August 17, 2012, 01:32:02 pm

Haha... Mandy, I'm in the same situation as you(funny that as we have the similar mods!)

I don't believe I'd want to remove the APR pump on the basis Revo have changed enough of their map to not require it, i.e requesting 130bar... And anyway if it's requesting 130bar and your pumps giving it, aslong as you're getting the AFR right then surely this will make more power than a map that requests less fuel... on the basis of more fuel/air=more power...

Like you i'm stage 2, and require an intercooler to go stage 2+, but still wonder if I just max out Stage 2 and start on suspension mods, or go the whole hog and jump to stage 2+ as I would have all the supporting gear to run reliably I believe.


....Suspension/handling mods! Power is useless without traction.

I agree with your advice on the APR pump - It's not essential but a mod which gives headroom and contributes to a smoother power delivery.

Totally agree and the suspension mods i have planned will look after the power ;)

I just like the APR pump cos it gives me peace of mind its giving the fuel that's requested, but now i have heatsoak issues, which i want to address, it's like chasing my own tail... and if i have all the mods for stage 2+, why stay at stage 2... lol
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 17, 2012, 10:36:00 pm
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It's a slippery slope, Mandy. Kev @ Revo, who has a huge amount of experience of modding, once told me that each of us has to draw our own line in the sand and then not cross it. Easier said than done but the more you push the performance envelope, the more is needed. It costs more and more money and you have to make sure you keep reliability and driveability. Do you really need more power than you already have from your Ed30?

Lol, no not necessarily needing more power but just thinking that an IC would be a beneficial thing rather than a necessity, a bit like what you said about the HPFP:


I agree with your advice on the APR pump - It's not essential but a mod which gives headroom and contributes to a smoother power delivery.


Haha... Mandy, I'm in the same situation as you(funny that as we have the similar mods!)

I don't believe I'd want to remove the APR pump on the basis Revo have changed enough of their map to not require it, i.e requesting 130bar... And anyway if it's requesting 130bar and your pumps giving it, aslong as you're getting the AFR right then surely this will make more power than a map that requests less fuel... on the basis of more fuel/air=more power...

Like you i'm stage 2, and require an intercooler to go stage 2+, but still wonder if I just max out Stage 2 and start on suspension mods, or go the whole hog and jump to stage 2+ as I would have all the supporting gear to run reliably I believe.

There's hopefully going to be an Airtec GB coming up if you wanted a cheaper(still quality) intercooler option, and then you can decide stay at stage 2 and max out the settings or push for stage 2+...

But you know if I go stage 2+ then to keep our cars the same you will need to too!  :signLOL:

Lol Dom, sounds like it's inevitable that you'll be stage 2+ soon, so maybe I should stay at stage 2 just so we can differentiate between our cars. :signLOL:

To be honest though I can't see me going to stage 2+, with IC or not.  :happy2:

So does anybody know if the stage 2 software update still requests 130 bar? :smiley:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on August 17, 2012, 10:41:12 pm
Mandy..

Let me know if you want to flog the APR pump ...I "might" be interested  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 17, 2012, 10:45:19 pm
Mandy..

Let me know if you want to flog the APR pump ...I "might" be interested  :signLOL:

Ok Lee, but I wouldn't get your hopes up too high... :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Andy on August 17, 2012, 10:49:55 pm
Just do it Mandy--you know you want to :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 20, 2012, 01:44:26 pm
Sooo... I presume the linear and non-linear map give exactly the same torque/power but it is simply the delivery of it which is the only difference
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 20, 2012, 01:47:51 pm
Sooo... I presume the linear and non-linear map give exactly the same torque/power but it is simply the delivery of it which is the only difference

That's how I understand it
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Cupra R on August 20, 2012, 02:47:06 pm
Nail on the head.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 21, 2012, 10:44:00 am
mmmm getting my update on 30/08 at PDT and am leaning towards non-linear
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on August 27, 2012, 01:38:39 am
Sooo... I presume the linear and non-linear map give exactly the same torque/power but it is simply the delivery of it which is the only difference

That's how I understand it

Not really....
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 27, 2012, 03:23:10 pm
Sooo... I presume the linear and non-linear map give exactly the same torque/power but it is simply the delivery of it which is the only difference

That's how I understand it

Not really....


care to elaborate old bean?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on August 27, 2012, 03:34:20 pm
Nothing to do with delivery as such - just changes the throttle potentiometer programming!

From the factory the first 30% of throttle pedal movement equates to like 90% of engine load / power! So throttle movement to power is non linear

Linear map changes the throttle mapping so 30% of throttle travel gives you 30% power! So to get full power u do have to nail the throttle flat to floor. 

It gives u greater throttle control basically - like mid cornering adjustability as you have more throttle travel to play with

Hope that helps
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on August 27, 2012, 03:37:00 pm
^^^^ excellently put Lee :-)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on August 27, 2012, 04:40:52 pm
^^^^ excellently put Lee :-)

Revo Kev  does an excellent sales pitch  :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: 56OctyVRS on August 28, 2012, 09:26:55 am
I always think of the linear as being like a cabled throttle and thats the simplist way of describing it.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 29, 2012, 09:51:15 am
getting the update tomo and twintercooler going on too so will see what differecne it makes and report back here. going to try non-linear for time being but might swap between the two as you may as well make sure that you have the one that you prefer most on the car it seems to me
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 29, 2012, 05:27:42 pm
getting the update tomo and twintercooler going on too so will see what differecne it makes and report back here. going to try non-linear for time being but might swap between the two as you may as well make sure that you have the one that you prefer most on the car it seems to me

What time are you there? if its late on in the day, you could have a go of my non-linear map to see the difference?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on August 29, 2012, 10:24:38 pm
hi mate, aiming to turn up about 11am and guess will be there till early afternoon.

Cant decide - spoke to Revo today and they said go for the linear  :confused: but think will try non-linear first
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Mandy on August 29, 2012, 10:35:21 pm
hi mate, aiming to turn up about 11am and guess will be there till early afternoon.

Cant decide - spoke to Revo today and they said go for the linear  :confused: but think will try non-linear first

Did they say why or any particular reason?
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Bignod00 on August 29, 2012, 10:45:47 pm
hi mate, aiming to turn up about 11am and guess will be there till early afternoon.

Cant decide - spoke to Revo today and they said go for the linear  :confused: but think will try non-linear first

Did they say why or any particular reason?
I'm guessing simply because its much more controllable!!??:)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on August 31, 2012, 10:15:01 am
Where are people going for these updates? The person I used originally for my revo map has dropped revo so I need somewhere new to go with good feedback. Currently trying to contact r-tech and pdt
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 31, 2012, 03:45:58 pm
Where are people going for these updates? The person I used originally for my revo map has dropped revo so I need somewhere new to go with good feedback. Currently trying to contact r-tech and pdt

http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=dealer_search
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Daleek9 on August 31, 2012, 07:29:08 pm
Can anyone point me in the right direction.

Bought my Edition30 a while back now, Got it running stage 1 with

Revo Stage 1 - with SPS switch  
Miltek cat back
Dblias intake with pipercross foam cone

Im looking at going stage 2+ with revo

Im wanting to go with a miltek decat / S3 cooler possibly

Can anyone reccomend me somewhere for the work? Dont mind traveling really.

Im located near Darlington North East England

Dale.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: RedRobin on August 31, 2012, 07:36:39 pm
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I'm not sure which of these guys are near to you but any of these (not in order of preference) have an excellent reputation on this forum:

- Statller
- AKS
- R-Tech
- PDT

And I'm pretty sure that they are all Revo dealers too.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on August 31, 2012, 07:41:05 pm
I'm from near Leeds but will travel for the right guy/company. Wanting r-tech to do it really
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 31, 2012, 07:45:40 pm
Can anyone point me in the right direction.

Bought my Edition30 a while back now, Got it running stage 1 with

Revo Stage 1 - with SPS switch  
Miltek cat back
Dblias intake with pipercross foam cone

Im looking at going stage 2+ with revo

Im wanting to go with a miltek decat / S3 cooler possibly

Can anyone reccomend me somewhere for the work? Dont mind traveling really.

Im located near Darlington North East England

Dale.

PDT is closest, then probably statllers distance wise. Only two places I would recommend going to. and I'm in the north east aswell :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on August 31, 2012, 08:28:37 pm
Triple h motors near whitley bay is decent for mechanical know how if you want the hardware fitted but he is not as good as others when it comes to software
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Daleek9 on August 31, 2012, 08:37:17 pm
PDT looks like the one, will give them a call monday.

Where are they based as its not clear on the website as they are changing buildings.

Can see the 0191 number so guessing sunderland/durham/newcastle area

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on August 31, 2012, 08:41:32 pm
Just moved to SunDerland
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: robern2 on August 31, 2012, 08:57:47 pm
Matt at the racing line is excellent
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on August 31, 2012, 09:43:15 pm
PDTuning
43b Carrmere Road
Leechmere Ind Est
Sunderland
Tyne and Wear
SR2 9TW
Phone: 0191 523 9540

Statllers
298 Attercliffe Road,
Sheffield, S4 7WZ 
0114 327 9044
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on September 01, 2012, 08:57:32 am
Does statllers offer revo?? From what I can see via searches it's giac or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: yin on September 01, 2012, 09:29:19 am
Does statllers offer revo?? From what I can see via searches it's giac or am I mistaken?

Yes they offer REVO  as well now :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: heavyd on September 01, 2012, 09:31:33 am
Does statllers offer revo?? From what I can see via searches it's giac or am I mistaken?

Does no-one ever use the Revo website?
Theres the Revo dealer search tool which I put the link to a few posts ago, and statllers are on the Revo dealer map :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on September 01, 2012, 09:39:05 am


Yes I used it and yes I saw your link but clicking on those bloody little balloons on an iPhone proves abit tricky after a while!! I got an answer straight away for asking the question, what the forums here for?!

I understand the forum gets cluttered with crap sometimes from people asking un-researched questions, half the threads I read looking for answers are full of people saying 'god you not used the search function'. Not a personal attack heavy your link was used
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Andy on September 01, 2012, 09:26:40 pm
Stettlers is closest to you Dan who are Revo dealers like Dom mentions :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Dan648v on September 01, 2012, 09:55:42 pm
Yeah I'm gonna give them a call on Monday Andy  :happy2:

There's plenty of revo dealers around but wanted a well known, trustable and knowledgable person tweaking it. Statllers seem just that  :smiley:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Poppa Dom on September 22, 2012, 06:26:30 pm
So, I thought it was time for a bit of an update on the car. Back at the tailend of July I went up to see Kev at Revo in Daventry to get the latest software revision of the K04 Stage 2+ code. Revo has been spending time refining the code base on this file so I was keen to have it on the car and give some honest feedback back to Revo. Once the car had been flashed Kev and I went out to set up the car live on the road. It was a fairly warm day (one of the few in July) with ambient temperature being about 23 degrees. The car was set up great, with final settings B9T6F6. before anyone comments on these settings please bear in mind that you cannot equate these SPS settings directly to those from the old code base as the parameters of the settings are somewhat different. So, if you take advantage of Revo's free upgrade, just make sure that you get the car properly set up and do not just migrate the SPS settings. Set it up properly!

I didn't want to post anything until I had put a few miles on the car (now over 1500) since the revised file had been flashed. I only had the chance of driving home and a couple of days driving before I want out to NZ for 5 weeks so wanted to put more miles on to be more objective before posting anything. Immediately on getting in the car it just felt so much better as an all round drive. It is not as aggressive as the previous map, requests less boost. The map is far more progressive and with the linear throttle map it allows for much more modulation through the pedal allowing much more precise control of the power delivery, I can see this being a big improvement if taken on the track. Point to point, the car is most definitely quicker, you know exactly where you can plant the power and do so precisely. I used to find that on the old code you would hold back on the right foot just to avoid lighting the wheels up, but by doing so weren;t getting all the power you had access to. Standing starts are fantastic, not getting bogged down at all and the torque is relentless as I'm sure NorthernThor will testify having driven the car too! The drive is refined, power is put down so efficiently that at times you question whether you're running less power than before, this is clearly not the case (see below)!

So, today Northern Thor, Hedge and I went down to visit Charlie at Surrey Rolling Road. A bit about the dyno. I've used Surrey Rolling Road a number of times before and along with the JKM dyno (my car read only 1bhp apart from the two dynos within a couple of weeks a couple of years ago) they are the only dyno's I tend to use as I believe them to be some of the best operated and most accurate. So, what is interesting about the graphs, well, I've overlaid my previous dyno plot from Surrey Rolling Road onto the one I got today. The RED LINE is the old code and the BLUE LINE the revised code. The old code was run in 3rd gear, the one today in forth. The old runs (red) were run during late autumn with ambient temperatures a little lower than were seen today. Only difference in hardware between two runs is that I now have the RS4 fuel pressure regulator fitted.

BHP and TORQUE
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fdomt%2FGolf_Edition30%2FReoNew2_zps9c8cdbf2.jpg&hash=b14c126f475228e5ae5b8be2e1048e660f3b1142)

BHP and AFR
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fdomt%2FGolf_Edition30%2FRevo_zps3cc2d1fb.jpg&hash=560eb82f596090f36a7ae3b4f03e4ef133d7bf98)

So, I'm going to let the graphs do the talking, this is a factual post based on my experience. What I will say is that I am extremely pleased with these figures from the dyno today. All in all, I am very happy with the revised code, complimented with the linear throttle mapping.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chungster on September 22, 2012, 07:39:11 pm
Looks good Dom  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 23, 2012, 05:08:33 pm
Nice write up Dom  :happy2: Seems that the new map has certainly made a difference mate and after driving my mate's Stage 2+ S3 the other day (after also having the new revised map installed) I echo your findings with the linear/ progressive power delivery of the new software with the added extra punch towards the top end of the rev range.
One thing that does surprise me though is your RR graph  :confused: From my experience, the power delivery at low rpm was definitely less aggressive/torquey than the previous map, yet that graph suggests the complete opposite..  :confused:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 09, 2013, 09:27:58 pm
This upgrade still available i assume?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Saintsteve on March 09, 2013, 09:32:30 pm
This upgrade still available i assume?

Doms car is the only one ive seen with a better result then the old code.

Couple of 2+ cars at JKM the other week ran less figures then before on the old code.

but it's not been confirmed whether there was an issue with the dyno.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 09, 2013, 10:11:54 pm
:o
Im very much after the linear throttle
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on March 10, 2013, 03:17:42 pm
This upgrade still available i assume?

Doms car is the only one ive seen with a better result then the old code.

Couple of 2+ cars at JKM the other week ran less figures then before on the old code.

but it's not been confirmed whether there was an issue with the dyno.

JKMs dyno that weekend was a joke though! And none of the cars were ran on the previous stage2+ code... Mine just ran 290bhp@wheels which looking through wheel/fly powers from alot of other dyno sheets posted on this forum equates to about 340bhp at fly...
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 11, 2013, 03:38:30 pm
Right, im booked in for Wednesday..
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 13, 2013, 07:04:17 pm
New software definitely makes the car feel more drivable! Starting off seems much smoother.. so far.. happy :)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 18, 2013, 09:30:19 pm
Update,
Accelerating off the lights is SOOO much better!! fills me with much more confidence now i can pull away without lighting up or "bang banging along the road"
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: Saintsteve on March 19, 2013, 07:25:37 am
Put it on the rollers and see if yours has now lost 20bhp like others have the other week steve
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on March 19, 2013, 08:47:24 am
Put it on the rollers and see if yours has now lost 20bhp like others have the other week steve

If you are referring to that last RR day at JKM, well.... You can pretty much ignore those figures.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 19, 2013, 08:49:11 am
I don't have a rr from before to test. Plus we all know its varies too much to ever give even slight idea of power.
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on March 20, 2013, 04:15:39 pm
Put it on the rollers and see if yours has now lost 20bhp like others have the other week steve

If you are referring to that last RR day at JKM, well.... You can pretty much ignore those figures.

Lets hope so, because this shows stage 2 =309bhp and stage 2+(additional S3 intercooler and Stage2+ map) = 318bhp overlaid and doesn;t show much difference...

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv108%2Fax_vts_dom%2FPowerGraphs_zps8f6e33ed.jpg&hash=37fb37fb5f9ea5d10c1b7973ea71e8844e802ef4)
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on March 21, 2013, 10:03:43 pm
Does anyone know if you can have this upgrade more than once? I took the standard throttle map upgrade and really want to swap it for the linear throttle option now, does anyone have experience of this?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on March 21, 2013, 10:20:18 pm
Does anyone know if you can have this upgrade more than once? I took the standard throttle map upgrade and really want to swap it for the linear throttle option now, does anyone have experience of this?

I'd be interested in this too...
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 21, 2013, 10:31:12 pm
Yes, they can enable the LT option... :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: E30Dom on March 22, 2013, 07:00:55 am
So is the LT an option in the same map? Not a different map?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: rich83 on March 22, 2013, 07:22:01 am
So is the LT an option in the same map? Not a different map?

Correct.... (I think) :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: SteveS on March 22, 2013, 08:44:17 am
Either way. HQ will change it for you I'm sure.
I think I saw Mark when there. He said he turns it on and off so he can remember how much better the LT is
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on March 23, 2013, 07:12:23 pm
i have now swapped to linear, i think if you have an lsd fitted also it definately helps you get the most out of the diff as you can feed in the power better  :driver:
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: chris s on March 24, 2013, 06:42:27 am
So did you have the std map update first? Or did you go to the linear version straight away?
Title: Re: 2.0L TFSI K04 Revo Stage 1, 2, 2+ FOC Software Update
Post by: berg on April 04, 2013, 01:47:50 pm
I have now switched to linear and would say this... anyone who has a diff fitted should be on the linear map end of. makes it feel far better and gives you more of an indication of how much more power you can feed in without diff tug  :driver: