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Title: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Hurdy on March 25, 2017, 06:30:54 am
So, after a year and a bit in a diesel I finally came to my senses and bought a petrol car!  :laugh:

There isn't a section for it in this forum, but here is a link for those interested.  :driver:

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=437122

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on March 25, 2017, 12:20:16 pm
Welcome back John. Just had a quick read through - sounds like good plans.

Will probs bump into you at Statller at some point.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: rdfcpete on March 25, 2017, 12:25:58 pm
... There isn't a section for it in this forum, but here is a link for those interested.  :driver: ...

We do need an 'Other Marques' section IMO, that'd be dandy!  :rolleye: :happy2: :evilgrin:

Cuppy looks ace John! Not surprised you got bored of an inline 4 diesel, I did too  :laugh: :wink:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Andy on March 25, 2017, 12:26:18 pm
Welcome back Jon

Still put a build thread up in this forum
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on March 26, 2017, 03:18:08 am
Welcome back Jon

Still put a build thread up in this forum

Where though Andy?

I feel it's natural home is in the MK7 area. There should be an "other VAG" members section.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Andy on March 26, 2017, 10:28:49 am
Welcome back Jon

Still put a build thread up in this forum

Where though Andy?

I feel it's natural home is in the MK7 area. There should be an "other VAG" members section.  :happy2:

See what I can do :happy2:
Put it  in the  mk7 section  as like me members like reading your build threads
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: rich83 on March 26, 2017, 11:56:20 am
There is an "other vag" section
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Andy on March 26, 2017, 02:30:56 pm
As Rich says also here

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,69.0.html
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Shoduchi on March 26, 2017, 05:30:38 pm
Good to see you back with a good base car to mod to great power. :drinking:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on March 29, 2017, 01:27:09 am
Took this at the weekend. Whilst it was still clean!  :grin:

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: bonelorry on March 30, 2017, 08:16:58 pm
I made a Thread on the Members Rides Section for my Skoda Fabia VRS, Also had a Thread on their for my Civic Type R last Year.

There are more than just MK5's in that section :)
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Addymk2 on March 31, 2017, 01:02:17 pm
Took this at the weekend. Whilst it was still clean!  :grin:

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That's looking tidy, how are you finding the change from diesel to petrol?

I've just done the same thing and regret wasting so much time in a diesel
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: berg on March 31, 2017, 04:21:32 pm
how come have gone for a seat and not a mk7 r John? Just fancied a change?
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on March 31, 2017, 08:34:57 pm
Took this at the weekend. Whilst it was still clean!  :grin:

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That's looking tidy, how are you finding the change from diesel to petrol?

I've just done the same thing and regret wasting so much time in a diesel

Love the new car. Don't miss the derv at all. Even has decent mpg.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on March 31, 2017, 08:38:36 pm
how come have gone for a seat and not a mk7 r John? Just fancied a change?

Yes,
I loved my ED30 and this is basically that car updated. The 7R is a great car but when I see one now ( which I see a lot of!) I don't regret going for the Cupra.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on March 31, 2017, 09:08:35 pm
how come have gone for a seat and not a mk7 r John? Just fancied a change?

Yes,
I loved my ED30 and this is basically that car updated. The 7R is a great car but when I see one now ( which I see a lot of!) I don't regret going for the Cupra.
The mk6 obviously didn't struggle for traction. It's interesting that you've gone back to FWD.

Hurdy builds are associated with big power, and you've earmarked 400 as the first target.... But I expect more soon after. I think we all do. Or am I wrong?

What are your plans in terms of getting the power down? The diff will go a long way, but maybe this is a different approach to the all out acceleration of the mk6? Will 400bhp be a sensible limit, with more focus on handling for track work rather than mad 0-100 times that can only be attained with AWD? Is the idea of a turbo upgrade out of the question?

Always love reading your progress anyway pal. Look forward to the updates
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: rich83 on March 31, 2017, 09:09:20 pm
7R. Yawn..... id rather the cupra any day.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 01, 2017, 02:22:59 pm
how come have gone for a seat and not a mk7 r John? Just fancied a change?

Yes,
I loved my ED30 and this is basically that car updated. The 7R is a great car but when I see one now ( which I see a lot of!) I don't regret going for the Cupra.
The mk6 obviously didn't struggle for traction. It's interesting that you've gone back to FWD.

Hurdy builds are associated with big power, and you've earmarked 400 as the first target.... But I expect more soon after. I think we all do. Or am I wrong?

What are your plans in terms of getting the power down? The diff will go a long way, but maybe this is a different approach to the all out acceleration of the mk6? Will 400bhp be a sensible limit, with more focus on handling for track work rather than mad 0-100 times that can only be attained with AWD? Is the idea of a turbo upgrade out of the question?

Always love reading your progress anyway pal. Look forward to the updates

400bhp was also my initial target bhp for the 6R!  :laugh:
It is a starter target, which is typically exceeded by just going for stage 2 ( intercooler, intake, downpipe and maps)
Getting power down is always a challenge with fwd, although the Cupra covers a lot of the basics......
MQB platform is much stiffer than the mk5/6 platform.
ARB's as standard are stiffer than the mk5/6 platform.
The MK3 Cupra comes as standard with an LSD
It also comes with DCC (dynamic chassis control) as standard, so uprating the suspension isn't really needed when you can simply set the suspension to "Cupra" mode and everything stiffens up.
The car is a fair chunk lighter than my old MK6R too. That weighed 1479kg with half a tank of fuel and without me in it. The Cupra weighs in at 1346kg with a 90% full tank and without me in it. That weight will be reduced by at least another 50kg by the time I have finished.
The lower engine mount requires an insert for sure to aid control of the engine movement once a map is on. The OEM engine mounts are okay up to around 500bhp.
I have also invested in some Michelin Pilot Sport 4's to go on my 17" Oz Ultraleggeras to aid traction, but having said that the OEM 19's are shod with Continental contisport 5's at 235 section width and have great traction.
The car even stock manages 5.3 to 60mph, so is a fair chunk quicker than official figures quoted at 5.6 to 100kph.

0-60 will be under 5 seconds with just a stage 1 map.
The main advantage of fwd is that it is a solid, relatively safe car to use on track and a great base car to work off.  :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on April 01, 2017, 02:33:05 pm
how come have gone for a seat and not a mk7 r John? Just fancied a change?

Yes,
I loved my ED30 and this is basically that car updated. The 7R is a great car but when I see one now ( which I see a lot of!) I don't regret going for the Cupra.
The mk6 obviously didn't struggle for traction. It's interesting that you've gone back to FWD.

Hurdy builds are associated with big power, and you've earmarked 400 as the first target.... But I expect more soon after. I think we all do. Or am I wrong?

What are your plans in terms of getting the power down? The diff will go a long way, but maybe this is a different approach to the all out acceleration of the mk6? Will 400bhp be a sensible limit, with more focus on handling for track work rather than mad 0-100 times that can only be attained with AWD? Is the idea of a turbo upgrade out of the question?

Always love reading your progress anyway pal. Look forward to the updates

400bhp was also my initial target bhp for the 6R! 
It is a starter target, which is typically exceeded by just going for stage 2 ( intercooler, intake, downpipe and maps)
Getting power down is always a challenge with fwd, although the Cupra covers a lot of the basics......
MQB platform is much stiffer than the mk5/6 platform.
ARB's as standard are stiffer than the mk5/6 platform.
The MK3 Cupra comes as standard with an LSD
It also comes with DCC (dynamic chassis control) as standard, so uprating the suspension isn't really needed when you can simply set the suspension to "Cupra" mode and everything stiffens up.
The car is a fair chunk lighter than my old MK6R too. That weighed 1479kg with half a tank of fuel and without me in it. The Cupra weighs in at 1346kg with a 90% full tank and without me in it. That weight will be reduced by at least another 50kg by the time I have finished.
The lower engine mount requires an insert for sure to aid control of the engine movement once a map is on. The OEM engine mounts are okay up to around 500bhp.
I have also invested in some Michelin Pilot Sport 4's to go on my 17" Oz Ultraleggeras to aid traction, but having said that the OEM 19's are shod with Continental contisport 5's at 235 section width and have great traction.
The car even stock manages 5.3 to 60mph, so is a fair chunk quicker than official figures quoted at 5.6 to 100kph.

0-60 will be under 5 seconds with just a stage 1 map.
The main advantage of fwd is that it is a solid, relatively safe car to use on track and a great base car to work off.  :driver:
The more I hear about the MQB cars the more they sound superior in every way!

I'm on PS4 on the front, and I find them a good all round tyre. Doesn't seem to be much in it between them and the PSS they replaced.

Keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: bonelorry on April 01, 2017, 04:06:08 pm
Echoing what has already been said...

I would not hesitate going back to a Front Wheel Drive, 4WD Might give you amazing launches, Awesome 0-60 Times, All the Grip you could ever want in all Weathers.

But its not all about that.

I would also go as far to say my next toy will also have a Manual Gearbox too, I want to have some input and actually have to work to get the best out of a car. Not just press the Accelerator Pedal and leave the car to do everything. There has to be some element of Driver input.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 05, 2017, 11:37:29 pm
17x8" Oz Ultraleggeras went on the car today, wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres. The car feels much lighter and responsive on these than on the 19" multispokes and Continental Contisport5's. The car looks less "in your face" compared to when it was on the super bling 19's too, which I prefer. Also these weigh in under 8kg and with the tyre fitted weigh just 17.9kg. :driver: :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 06, 2017, 12:33:42 am
Welcome to your build thread John  :happy2:. Three great builds behind you (that ive read, at least  :laugh:), so you gotta have one on here  :drinking:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 06, 2017, 05:06:07 pm
Welcome to your build thread John  :happy2:. Three great builds behind you (that ive read, at least  :laugh:), so you gotta have one on here  :drinking:

Cheers.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 06, 2017, 05:07:19 pm
Just a small mod today. Lower engine mount insert by 034Motorsport. Try to control that damned axle tramp on launch!
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 06, 2017, 08:21:10 pm
Wheels went on.  :wink:

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: ChrisGT on April 06, 2017, 08:23:43 pm
Awesome, nice to see a hurdy thread again  :happy2:

Looking forward to the updates!

Chris
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 10, 2017, 07:59:38 am
Went to Santa Pod on Sunday for GTI Spring Festival. Stage 1 e-tuners ECU and DSG maps with just an intake and did 12.83@113.91mph.
Best terminal of 115.56.
Better than I ever did on my ED30 at Stage 2+ with all the suspension bits added, stripped out and semi-slicks onboard!
To say I'm impressed is an understatement!

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 21, 2017, 08:28:12 pm
So, the parts have arrived ready for custom stage 2 e-tuner maps to go on next week. :jumping:

Scorpion downpipe, CTS turbo intake pipe and Wagner Competition intercooler going on beforehand and then mapping to get the car over 400bhp and 400lbft.

Should be fun!  :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Andy on April 21, 2017, 08:36:17 pm
Good numbers john
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on April 28, 2017, 06:37:48 pm
Wagner competition intercooler
Scorpion Downpipe
CTS Turbo intake pipe
CTS Discharge pipe
CTS Throttle pipe
e-tuners stage 2 base map on ( further tuning to come)
E-tuners stage 2 DSG map on

Currently running 400+bhp and 400+lbft. :driver: on Statllers conservative dyno.
Holds 390+lbft from 2500 to 5500rpm.



Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Shoduchi on April 28, 2017, 06:47:49 pm
Great power! Fast beast! :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 27, 2017, 03:01:17 pm
My e-tuners Stage 2 update.....

The car now goes as quick as it looks. The power and torque comes in very early in the Rev range 390 lbft and over from as low down as 2600rpm all the way to over 5500rpm, peaking at over 410lbft at just 3krpm and holding to 4krpm. Power peaks at over 410bhp with over 300bhp on tap at just 4krpm.
How does that translate into speed?

Well I can repeatedly run launches from 0-60mph in sub 5 seconds and the run from 60mph to 100mph is in the mid 4 seconds.
Next week will bring a trip to Santa Pod, where I will be hoping for a time under 12.5 and a terminal of around 118-120mph. This will be on full weight and road tyres using 99ron.

What is next?.........

Hybrid turbo.....you lot will love this!
Race map........high octane race map to suit.
Brake upgrade......Not 100% on this yet, but it will be appropriate for the car.  :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: ChrisGT on May 27, 2017, 04:56:40 pm
Great results!

Looking forward to the stats after Santa Pod.

Chris
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on May 27, 2017, 04:57:37 pm
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 28, 2017, 11:21:28 am
Great results!

Looking forward to the stats after Santa Pod.

Chris
Cheers Chris,
Low 12's would be great and i reckon achievable. :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 28, 2017, 11:23:58 am
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!

The tuning company can limit the power and torque by gear, so i can have a limited 1st and second gear with full traction and then let rip in the other gears. Traction will be an issue, but my right foot meters that!  :laugh: :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on May 28, 2017, 01:11:27 pm
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!

The tuning company can limit the power and torque by gear, so i can have a limited 1st and second gear with full traction and then let rip in the other gears. Traction will be an issue, but my right foot meters that!  :driver:
I've always liked the idea of that. Not sure it's something Niki can do for me on my old BWA though!

I assume you won't be too limited caliper-wise with the 17s. APs or something else?
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 28, 2017, 01:33:17 pm
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!

The tuning company can limit the power and torque by gear, so i can have a limited 1st and second gear with full traction and then let rip in the other gears. Traction will be an issue, but my right foot meters that!  :driver:
I've always liked the idea of that. Not sure it's something Niki can do for me on my old BWA though!

I assume you won't be too limited caliper-wise with the 17s. APs or something else?
Yeah, it will be limited, but I will be most likely looking at 4 pot Brembo's and the Clubsport S discs With Brembo pads. The Cupra is quite light (mine is currently at 1300 kg) and it shouldn't require massive brakes realistically.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: AJP on May 28, 2017, 06:44:32 pm
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!

The tuning company can limit the power and torque by gear, so i can have a limited 1st and second gear with full traction and then let rip in the other gears. Traction will be an issue, but my right foot meters that!  :driver:
I've always liked the idea of that. Not sure it's something Niki can do for me on my old BWA though!

I assume you won't be too limited caliper-wise with the 17s. APs or something else?
Yeah, it will be limited, but I will be most likely looking at 4 pot Brembo's and the Clubsport S discs With Brembo pads. The Cupra is quite light (mine is currently at 1300 kg) and it shouldn't require massive brakes realistically.
Yeah I saw those discs on VBT, @Shoduchi put the link up. I'm tempted myself as they'd fit my setup. Although it'd probably be pointless for me - got bog standard 340s that haven't gone wobbly on me (unlike the first attempt) so I'm probably gonna stick!

I do like where this is going though. Less rotational mass with the 17s, less with the two piece 340s (than an OTT disc anyway), less overall weight compared to an AWD equivalent. 1300kg is genuinely lightweight these days. Hate the cliché, but... less is more.

How long til things start getting stripped out...?
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Wolf Burger on May 28, 2017, 07:59:35 pm
e-tuners next for me.

New clutch and de cat downpipe and lets see where we go.



Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 29, 2017, 03:11:27 pm
You're building a monster! Well, not for the first time

Mighty impressive times for FWD. Credit to the ability of the car in the first place that it'll take that power and put it down.

Hybrid sounds interesting. Hopefully not at the expense of too much at lower revs. And traction might become more and more of an issue... but I'm sure that won't put you off!

The tuning company can limit the power and torque by gear, so i can have a limited 1st and second gear with full traction and then let rip in the other gears. Traction will be an issue, but my right foot meters that!  :driver:
I've always liked the idea of that. Not sure it's something Niki can do for me on my old BWA though!

I assume you won't be too limited caliper-wise with the 17s. APs or something else?
Yeah, it will be limited, but I will be most likely looking at 4 pot Brembo's and the Clubsport S discs With Brembo pads. The Cupra is quite light (mine is currently at 1300 kg) and it shouldn't require massive brakes realistically.
Yeah I saw those discs on VBT, @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) put the link up. I'm tempted myself as they'd fit my setup. Although it'd probably be pointless for me - got bog standard 340s that haven't gone wobbly on me (unlike the first attempt) so I'm probably gonna stick!

I do like where this is going though. Less rotational mass with the 17s, less with the two piece 340s (than an OTT disc anyway), less overall weight compared to an AWD equivalent. 1300kg is genuinely lightweight these days. Hate the cliché, but... less is more.

How long til things start getting stripped out...?

Things will probably get stripped out as soon as I get bored!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on May 29, 2017, 03:12:20 pm
e-tuners next for me.

New clutch and de cat downpipe and lets see where we go.

You'll not regret it. Great tuners!
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on June 06, 2017, 04:06:32 pm
So did a few shows this weekend....Saturday did RWYB at Santa Pod and Sunday did GTI International.

Saturday was a great day, but I was having issues with power loss on spinning the wheels down at the start. Ended up with a 12.7@115.68mph which was a little slower in both terminal speed and time but was still a new personal best.

Sunday I went to Inters and decided to do the 1/8th sprint even though I have fwd and was up against a lot of fwd modified motors. The Cupra did really well and better than I thought......even with the issue of power loss after wheelspin the car managed a 0-60mph best of 4.26 seconds, a 1/8th best of 8.35 seconds and a best terminal speed at the 1/8th mile of 96.3mph.
The big bonus here was winning the Seat category and coming away with a trophy. The car was actually quicker on the day than all the FWD cars in the Golf MK5,6 and 7 category too.  :driver:

Found out thanks to Alex Kerr that there is a function you can turn off with VCDS that stops the ECU killing the power when the wheels spin in 1st 2nd or 3rd and this will be a big help next time around when I'm on drag radials.

A big thank you for Steve at Statller for lending me his lightweight alloys shod with R888's and for e-tuners for providing a stonking pair of maps for the engine and DSG.
here are a few photo's of the weekend.......

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on July 13, 2017, 10:46:28 pm
Now at 12.4@117.0mph.  :smiley:

https://flic.kr/p/VUUUj9 (https://flic.kr/p/VUUUj9)

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Andy on July 13, 2017, 11:00:36 pm
good results john...where is e tuners at
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on July 13, 2017, 11:18:38 pm
good results john...where is e tuners at

Statller in Sheffield are Etuners dealers.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on October 01, 2017, 02:24:08 pm
TTE470 on order, should go well once fitted.
The 6R made 7.8-7.9 for the 100-200kph sprint at 500bhp. The Cupra currently does 8.1-8.2 for the same sprint at 400bhp. The TTE470 has been proven to dip the 100-200 run down to mid 7's....so quicker than my old 6R.
Power should be 450-470bhp with similar torque and good response from the hybrid turbo. Power peak should move up to 6600-6800 rpm and so the DSG will have its rpm limit increased to around 6900-7000rpm.
Hoping for a very low 12 second run on the 1/4 mile, if not something beginning with 11.  :wink:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Kai96 on October 01, 2017, 07:07:45 pm
Really like this build thread keep us updated. Looking at cupras myself for a new car but seems hard to find fully spec'd ones for a good price

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on October 07, 2017, 05:32:19 pm
Really like this build thread keep us updated. Looking at cupras myself for a new car but seems hard to find fully spec'd ones for a good price

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Yes, the 290's are sought after over even the 300's as they come with a lot of kit and still get the proper handbrake!
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Kai96 on October 07, 2017, 07:22:06 pm
Sorry if you've already addressed  this earlier in the thread....  but how do you find putting the power down before the mods VS after the mods ? Would you say the car copes well or does it struggle in first gear if you try and feed the power in to quickly ? The 4 wheel drive system  is the only reason I'm leaning towards a Golf R MK7 more because most of the time it's damp in England. I would prefer a cupra as you don't see much of them on the roads and I see about 4/5 golf r's everyday

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Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on October 10, 2017, 11:36:56 pm
Sorry if you've already addressed  this earlier in the thread....  but how do you find putting the power down before the mods VS after the mods ? Would you say the car copes well or does it struggle in first gear if you try and feed the power in to quickly ? The 4 wheel drive system  is the only reason I'm leaning towards a Golf R MK7 more because most of the time it's damp in England. I would prefer a cupra as you don't see much of them on the roads and I see about 4/5 golf r's everyday

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The car copes well with the extra power. The right foot has to be tempered in the wet but overall I prefer it to an R.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black
Post by: Hurdy on November 04, 2017, 11:25:07 am
Well the TTE470 hybrid turbo went on the car Wednesday and on Thursday it was tuning time.
Keeping torque to a reasonable level for FWD the E-Tuners stage 3 mapping on the TTE470 went very well. 472bhp (478.5ps) 422lbft (572nm). Silky smooth power delivery from the E-Tuners stage 3 DSG map with crackle overrun,7krpm shift points, higher clamping pressure and quicker gearshifts. Initial results show that the TTE470 makes boost around 500rpm later than the OEM turbo ( feels better to drive with a fwd car) but holds power and torque longer. On the OEM turbo, the tuner pegged the Rev limit at 6250 as the torque and power were dropping off significantly by that point. The TTE470 makes power and torque beyond this and so the Rev limit was lifted to 7000rpm. Torque is still over 405lbft (550nm) at 6000rpm! :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: th3_f15t on November 05, 2017, 09:56:58 am
Not a bad result. Would you do a full GTX3071R swap again or do you prefer the OEM hybrid turbo route?
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Shoduchi on November 05, 2017, 10:59:12 am
Awesome result! Congrats Hurdy! :congrats:

All those ponies and still stock cat back too.  :surprised:

The EA888 gen 3 are really great engines. Keep us posted with your time improvements.  :driver:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Shoduchi on November 05, 2017, 11:01:34 am
Not a bad result. Would you do a full GTX3071R swap again or do you prefer the OEM hybrid turbo route?

Garrett has just released new smaller turbos capable of low rpm spool and great top power. Something like a GTX25 capable of pushing 500 CV.  :scared:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: th3_f15t on November 06, 2017, 10:47:31 am
Interesting. The price gap between a Garrett and hybrid turbo setup is closing down now, granted to really take full advantage of a Garrett system you'd need to build the internals up but even so it's interesting to see what is preferred. Low spool times for a 4motion road car is certainly my ideal upgrade...
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Hurdy on November 12, 2017, 03:51:27 pm
Not a bad result. Would you do a full GTX3071R swap again or do you prefer the OEM hybrid turbo route?
The TTE470 turbo is even better suited to the Cupra DSG than the OEM turbo. In drive the car came on boost before the next gearchange on the OEM turbo, whilst on the TTE the transition between gears is much smoother.
I'd not go GTX3071R again as the Cupra is FWD and the TTE is just right for this car. :happy2:
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: th3_f15t on November 13, 2017, 09:01:58 am
Good sounding stuff, I'm thinking a TTE420 for my 6R but the price gap between that and a GTX3071R setup similar to your old setup is close.
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Hurdy on November 26, 2017, 06:54:34 pm
Good sounding stuff, I'm thinking a TTE420 for my 6R but the price gap between that and a GTX3071R setup similar to your old setup is close.

TTE420 is the most efficient of the TFSI hybrid turbo's and a good choice. I'd probably go for the GTX though! 😋
Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: Hurdy on November 26, 2017, 07:21:11 pm
Now the car has more power it is time to add a little more control.  :smiley:

Enter the brake upgrade......TTRS calipers, VBT carrier adapters, Clubsport S discs, RS3 vented dust shields, Clubsport S brake ducting, HEL lines and Brembo pads. Gloss black with the rear calipers painted to match. Bonus is a 14+kg weight saving over the OEM brakes and all on the unsprung mass.  :happy2:

Next up, REVO engine and transmission mounts. The stock ones just don't cut it now, so to reduce driveline shunt these Are in to help stiffen up the driveline and reduce wheel hop.

Just need to decide on suspension tweaks now!........ :driver:

Title: Re: Back in the game - Cupra black 470bhp
Post by: GT-eye on November 27, 2017, 06:43:50 am
great progress on your build