MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: vRS Carl on October 18, 2009, 01:48:47 pm
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Ok here's another Tutorial. This is done on a MK2 Skoda Octavia vRS but i would imagine the process is the same or pretty similar for all 2.0 TFSi Engines. I have had a look round on the net and not been able to find a tutorial for this. Apologies if someone has done this already.
Before i start the usual disclaimer
NEITHER I NOR MK5GolfGTI WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IF YOU UNDERTAKE THE PROCESS DETAILED BELOW AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG. YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK!!
Ok formalities out the way here we go.
You will need the following:
T30 Torx Bit
13mm Ratchet Spanner / Ring or Open ended Spanner
17mm Open Ended Spanner
Cloth
New Cam Follower Part no. - 06D 109 309 C
Ok this whole process took me about 45mins which included taking pics and setting TDC. Ensure that nobody opens the driver door throughout this or you will end up with a nice stream of fuel all over you as this charges the fuel system when doing this. To get around you can just disconnect the battery.
Firstly remove engine cover. To do this just pull up firmly but slowly till the rubber lugs pop of the housing.
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I didn't take any Pics of setting TDC as i had to use a small dentist type mirror and torch to be able to see what i was doing and it would never have worked on a picture.
Basically to set TDC undo the 2 left hand nuts at the side of the Cylinder head. You will need 2 people to do this next bit.
GENTLY and i mean gently pull back the side of the cover and look at the cogs on which the timing belt is sat. The biggest cog which is nearest the front of the engine at the top has a Small arrow on the left had side as you look at it. Also on the side of the engine just above the cog is a small arrow again. The aim is to get these 2 in line so you know your engine is at Top Dead Centre or TDC. Now to move the cog round put the engine in gear (i found it easiest in 4th) and have someone gently rock the car forwards to get the cog to turn. You keep your eye on the side of the timing cog looking for the small arrow. Keep doing this until the 2 Arrows are in line. Once this is done apply the handbrake and then tighten up the nuts on the cover as you don't need access to it again.
Im not sure if you have to Set TDC. When i installed the Autotech internals i was told that you must do it. So as you are removing the fuel pump i always do it just to be safe. If anyone with any mechanical expertise knows different please let me know.
Now we are ready to tackle the pump.
Firstly disconnect the 2 electrical connectors.
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The next thing to do is to let out any excess fuel in the pump. On the lower right hand side their is a pressure valve. Remove the black dust cap then using a screwdriver or allen key press in the valve (same as on a tyre) and hold in till all fuel is released. Ensure you place a cloth underneath to catch the excess.
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Once you have done that using a 13mm Ratchet spanner/Ring spanner. Remove this valve ensuring you leave the cloth underneath as a bit more fuel will leak out. You have to remove this valve to get at the bottom bolt on the pump.
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Now depending on how old your car is you will either have 2 metal pipes or 1 metal 1 rubber pipe at the bottom of the pump. Mine has 1 metal 1 rubber so the process is quite easy. I am assuming (but haven't seen the other fitting) that the 2 metal pipes are held in by the same size nut. Any way take a 17mm open end spanner and undo the nut all the way till it falls down the metal pipe. Again make sure cloth is underneath to catch any excess fuel.
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Once this is done you are now ready to tackle removing the pump. The pump is held in by 3 x T30 Torx bolts. Undo these bolts and remove. The pump will now come away from the engine.
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Inside you will see the cam follower. Using your little finger just pull it out. Check for signs of wear. This one has covered 14 k miles since it was last changed but i don't think that wear is too excessive.
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Take a new cam follower and place into the hole you took the old one from. There is no need to coat it in oil/fuel etc as it comes already coated in the little pot it is delivered in.
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Once done you are now ready to put the pump back on.
Firstly line up pump and push up against engine so it is flush. Then by hand only tighten the 3 x T30 Torx bolts. This ensures the bolts don't cross thread etc. Once your happy the bolts are as tight as you can do it with your fingers and they are not cross threaded then using your T30 Torx bit tighten up the bolts. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN. Basically do these hand tight using a ratchet. But DO NOT apply to much force. If you knacker the thread holding the pump in it's gonna become expensive.
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Once they are done then reconnect the metal pipe at the bottom using hands first so no cross threading then the 17mm spanner. Note the nut does not go all the way to the top.
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Then reconnect the pressure valve using the 13mm Ratchet Spanner/Ring Spanner and replace the dust cap.
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Now reconnect the 2 electrical connectors and check everything is all seated properly and correct.
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If you disconnected the battery reconnect it. Put keys in ignition turn it on and then open drivers door 2-3 times to charge up the fuel system and get rid of any air in it. Once that is done start engine and check all is ok no leaks from around pump etc.
If you have VCDS check no faults and Voila all done.
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As i said took me 45 mins including taking pics. You could quite easily do it in about 25-30mins.
Comments good or bad welcome
HIH
Carl :happy2:
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Very nice Carl. :congrats:
I can assure you setting TDC on a DSG car is a whole different story but as they say nothing is impossible especially when you have a handy Stu. :wink:
Your refief valve looks like its seen some 'action'. :confused:
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Very nice Carl. :congrats:
I can assure you setting TDC on a DSG car is a whole different story but as they say nothing is impossible especially when you have a handy Stu. :wink:
Your refief valve looks like its seen some 'action'. :confused:
Yup i had to use a hammer and Socket at one point. Basically whichever cowboy :surprised: :innocent: it was that installed the Autotech internals put it back on too tight and when it came to undoing it the edges of it just rounded :fighting:. So now mine takes an 11mm Socket not a 13mm ratchet but for everyone else they need a 13mm one :signLOL:
Carl :happy2:
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Very nice Carl. :congrats:
I can assure you setting TDC on a DSG car is a whole different story but as they say nothing is impossible especially when you have a handy Stu. :wink:
Your refief valve looks like its seen some 'action'. :confused:
I'm still reeling from the experience - Mentally scared would be an understatement.
I think I'd sooner see you in your mankini than do that again - Hmmm, maybe it wasn't sooo bad. :stupid:
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I'm still reeling from the experience - Mentally scared would be an understatement.
I think I'd sooner see you in your mankini than do that again - Hmmm, maybe it wasn't sooo bad. :stupid:
I'll see what I can do. :booty: :wink:
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:congrats:
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How do you know when it needs replacing please ? & is there any more we should check please ?.
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being non mechanical...what does it do?
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How do you know when it needs replacing please ? & is there any more we should check please ?.
+1
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Any one ?.
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Have a long read of these threads:
http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3750088&page=1 (http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3750088&page=1)
http://www.carsinspections.com/gr/technical_presentations/tfsi-camfollower/tom.html (http://www.carsinspections.com/gr/technical_presentations/tfsi-camfollower/tom.html)
http://briskoda.net/maintenance-performance/2-0tfsi-uprated-fuel-pump-cam-follower-wear/108170/ (http://briskoda.net/maintenance-performance/2-0tfsi-uprated-fuel-pump-cam-follower-wear/108170/)
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3743747&page=3 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3743747&page=3)
More of a problem if you have modified fuel pump fitted.
It is also worth reading up on the revision A cams that are fitted to the earlier TFSI engines and these were made out of chocolate.
Here is how to check whether you have a revision A or B cam fitted:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3754451 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3754451)
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Thanks for that mate, :happy2: some good info there.So it seems to be more common if there has been an up-graded fuel fitted ?.
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Thanks for that mate, :happy2: some good info there.So it seems to be more common if there has been an up-graded fuel fitted ?.
:congrats:
Nice one fella :happy2:
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How much was the new Cam Follower out of interest?
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Just over £20. I have got one sat in the garage waiting to be fitted.
Car is standard, FSH, with 26k on clock so I will take some photos of the old follower and add them to this thread if thats ok?
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Just over £20. I have got one sat in the garage waiting to be fitted.
Car is standard, FSH, with 26k on clock so I will take some photos of the old follower and add them to this thread if thats ok?
.....please do.Be intresting to see what your's look's like. :happy2:
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Check out page 8 and 9 of the APR fuel pump fitting PDF, they've tagged on an Audi technical bulletin showing how bad the cam followers can get and the damage it causes. From what I've seen of these, it doesn't seem to make much difference whether you're running a modified the motor or not.
http://www.goapreu.com/support/fsi_fuelpump_installation.pdf
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Im in the process of doing this now!
Mine doesnt have a pressure valve on the pump?? (2004 mk5 gti)
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Just be careful then as you will get more fuel coming out when disconnecting the pipes.
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Just finished it now cheers carl.
Hopefully no leaks etc!
mine was alot trickier than yours i think!?
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Just finished it now cheers carl.
Hopefully no leaks etc!
mine was alot trickier than yours i think!?
being one of the first gti's, what condition was yours in?
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Cant say really?
obviously it doesnt look as new as the brand new one, but it doesnt look too bad for 80K
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Cant say really?
obviously it doesnt look as new as the brand new one, but it doesnt look too bad for 80K
No holes then :laugh:
That's good news, when I was looking into this, everything I read at the time suggested the early engines were fine, it was the revisions that came with the bwa engine that were the problem. AXX i'm told had no issues
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What internals are different between the AXX and BXX engines?
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The issues were more with the early AXX engines as they had a chocolate cam lobe.
They altered them to a better grade metal on the BWA engines.
For the sake of £25 part and about 30 mins work it's worth inspecting/changing every 10k miles. :happy2:
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The issues were more with the early AXX engines as they had a chocolate cam lobe.
They altered them to a better grade metal on the BWA engines.
For the sake of £25 part and about 30 mins work it's worth inspecting/changing every 10k miles. :happy2:
unless you had massive problems with your fuel pump leaking and now its working you dare not touch it :signLOL:
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Great guid, Carl :happy2:
Took me a whole 30 mins today including changing the sparks :grin:
ALso my car is a Jan 07 car and covered 48k and only showing a very small amount of ware on the inside of the follower :smiley:
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BTTT
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Anyone with an early (two metal pipe) fuel pump done this and if so how does it differ from the one metal / one rubber pipe pumps?
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It's harder to do is the main thing.
Other than the physical changes to the pipe that's about it.
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I think I might check mine on the weekend
Whats the cost of a new one out of interest?
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I think they are around £20.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsipumps.htm#follow
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Cheers Hedge
Might order one up from TPS for good measure, though its probably worth having a check first
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I would say if you are bothering to check it then you may as well replace it. :smiley:
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Well yes, I guess there is that and I am up to 63k now!
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Whats the purpose of lining up the arrows at the beginning of the DIY guide? I thought they were just for doing the timing belt etc and I'm not sure why that needs doing just to pull the fuel pump back?
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Possibly something to with compression on the fuel pump cam lobe, but I didnt set it on mine or steves and had no problems.
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I'm going to be changing mine soon,
so I shouldn't really need to the TDC part?
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Personally I wouldnt bother
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I wouldn't worry about it, I've changed a few and never had any issues.
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If I'm honest, I wasn't gonna bother anyways lol but thought I'd best check others have done it without TDC and getting no problems :happy2:
Cheers :happy2:
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I don't suppose anyone knows the torque setting for the bolt that hold the fuel pump to the engine? Gonna be doing this inn a few week and I wanna make sure I don't over tighten them.......which I have a habit of doing with my sausage fingers.
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10nm is general setting for bolts of that nature
Just 'tight' without over tightening :happy2:
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On the US forums it's stated as 7.5 ft lbs...
Do not overtighten as you'll strip the threading... :scared:
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10nm is general setting for bolts of that nature
Just 'tight' without over tightening :happy2:
On the US forums it's stated as 7.5 ft lbs...
Do not overtighten as you'll strip the threading... :scared:
Cheers guys. Should I put some thread lock on too?
Can you tell I'm DIY-phobic yet? :laugh:
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I wouldnt thread lock it :happy2:
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Has anyone tried the aftermarket harder wearing cam followers? I think it was BDM selling them? Didnt seem worth it when you can get a Genuine one for 24 quid.
I think the harder coated ones were about £80 :confused:
Plus point would be fit & forget for DIY phobes
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I wouldnt thread lock it :happy2:
Ta :happy2:
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Just done this to my "05" reg GTI
Nuts came off fine, changed cam follower even though mine was still in perfect condition, started putting it back together, all seemed well.
Opened and closed driver door a few times, everything seemed ok,
then when I put the ignition on fuel starting pissing everywhere,
seems to be coming from the left pipe nut like its not tight enough but can't get it any tighter, so disassembled it again a few times and then reassemble and still getting the same problem.
30min job my arse, I've been at it since 3pm.
so fuk knows what I'm gonna do now :fighting:
Should have left it the was it fukin was :sad1:
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is the union cross threaded, undo the union completely and check the threads, once you have dumped the presure :smiley:
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Done all that, checked everything over and over etc :sad1:
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Have you ensured the ball end of the pipe is correctly seated in the union nut before tightening?
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yeah all the bits are correctly seated.
Gonna take it apart again tomorrow and try again, as I've seriously had enough today. Sick of of pissing about with cars argh!
might just buy a cheap runabout and none of this crap again :sad1:
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^^^^^
dont be like that bud :happy2:
im sure it will onli be summin rele stupid n simple
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seriously the way I feel atm, I've had enough of it.
Supposed to be going away with work next wednesday until August and NEED the car, but atm I can't even put the ignition on :sad1:
Typical something like this happens days before I go away.
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i know how u feel bud iv had feelings like that when things aint goin my way with my car dude
but ur cars gorgeus and u would miss it dude
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not gonna be gorgeous if I have to spend a sh*tload of money to fix this issue all because of a 20quid cam follower.
Like I say I need this sorted ASAP as I need the car next week for going away with work and if I need to order bits or tow it to a garage, I'm fooked!
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Where are you?
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Ayrshire, Scotland
bit far from you lot :sad1:
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Ah
Sorry mate if you had been my way i would have come over. Hope you get it sorted soon. :sad1:
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Thanks anyways dude.
As on my other thread:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30749.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30749.0.html)
Anyone have the part number for the bits mentioned? So I can order some tomorrow from VW just incase I do need them.
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seriously the way I feel atm, I've had enough of it.
Supposed to be going away with work next wednesday until August and NEED the car, but atm I can't even put the ignition on :sad1:
Typical something like this happens days before I go away.
I know EXACTLY how you feel mate. In a similar situation and it really is a pain. I know what it's like to feel like your just helpless and you really need to sort something.
Was going to try this myself but feel so not reluctant now. Update the thread when you sort it mate and good luck. Is it defintely pissing out from the fuel line and not something else you've overlooked?
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Done this twice myself and not changed / renewed and washers. Although a little awkward refitting the pipes I never had any trouble with leaking.
Hope you get it sorted soon.
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Has anyone changed their follower on an 06. My HPFP has got two metal pipes. The one on right which they all have seems easy to remove but the other looks like a SST needed or something to remove the bolt from the button which goes through the pipe sort of thing. Access looks difficult so I didn't touch it :confused:
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Two steel pipes is a ball ache but can be done.
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Two steel pipes is a ball ache but can be done.
Don't go there :signLOL:
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lol really? did you yours have 2 MJR? Read your story, bit unlucky hey. New follower has arrived, might have to go on ebay :signLOL:
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Inspected my cam follower today using this guide and just wanted to say thanks :happy2:. Without it I wouldn't have had a clue without it.
You can see what mine looked like here:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30046.0.html
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Has anyone changed their follower on an 06. My HPFP has got two metal pipes. The one on right which they all have seems easy to remove but the other looks like a SST needed or something to remove the bolt from the button which goes through the pipe sort of thing. Access looks difficult so I didn't touch it :confused:
See if this helps. http://www.golfmkv.net/blog/archives/6#
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Cheers. That looks fun :signLOL:
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What's the need for the TDC part and is it neccesary?
Also, how would you do it on a DSG?
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TDC is to take the pressure off the piston should the engine be stopped whilst the cam lobe is at the fattest point thus pushing the piston in.
It's not absolutely necessary and more a precautionary measure. I know a couple of people who have done it without setting TDC.
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Thanks - so how would you go about doing it on a DSG? :smiley:
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Not sure mate as never done it. To be honest i think most people skip the TDC.
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Checked with the vw-Dealer who's been responsible for all the stamps in the history-book from new, mine hasn't had this replaced it's at 80k now
should I get this done ASAP ?, it's AXX engine code, if so whats reasonable been quoted £66 by an indy...
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Checked with the vw-Dealer who's been responsible for all the stamps in the history-book from new, mine hasn't had this replaced it's at 80k now
should I get this done ASAP ?, it's AXX engine code, if so whats reasonable been quoted £66 by an indy...
The part is £22 and its about 30mins work for someone that's done it before.
I wouldnt worry about rushing out to do it unless your car is modified. I am still running the same follower for 30k at stage 2+.
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What are the typical symptoms that indicate that the cam followe may need changing?
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What are the typical symptoms that indicate that the cam followe may need changing?
Usually none till fueling is compromised and then you may get fuel cuts or dashboard cel. By that time the follower may well be punched through damaging the cam lobe, fuel pump plunger and putting shards into the engine oil channels.
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So at 80k on a 7yr old GTI that hasn't been maped or modded AXX engine-code,,, does it need doing, opinions ???
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So at 80k on a 7yr old GTI that hasn't been maped or modded AXX engine-code,,, does it need doing, opinions ???
Personally I would have a look and change it at that mileage as the wear issue isn't confined to mapped cars.
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Sorry to bring up a old thread
But I had a read is it the cam that will fail or the follower?
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The cam follower fails - it wears through. If this occurs there will then be damage to the cam lobe.
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Oh thanks
Had me worried as I thought people was saying cam a is a weak cam as if the camshaft would fail
Least the lobe is only £30
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The lobe? The lobe is part of the camshaft. Its the cam follower thats ~30 quid! :happy2:
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This may help you ordering the item:-
The dealer sells the part as - Tappet - part number 06D 109 309 C. Full Retail Price £29.87 inc vat
It's good practice to replace the seal at the same time
O-Ring - part number WHT 005 184 Full Retail Price £11.11
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Sorry I meant as in the part that fails to prevent it is only 30 meant to say follower!/tappet
Typo error
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Did this today thanks for the guide.
I didn't do TDC. Checked, double checked and checked everything again.
Still concerned I haven't done it right but it starts and drives well with no fuel leaking from the pump.
Car is an ed30 with 74k, stage 1 for 6k. Follower is showing wear and beginning to crack in the coating, coating is also worn off in centre.
Fingers crossed car continues to perform well.
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TDC is not an absolute necessity. It's just advised to enable easy refitting without putting pressure on the piston as it is refitted.
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I inspected mine last Thursday and it was wearing normally and all seemed fine :happy2:. I'm going to change it anyway for peace of mind, a new one is on order and should be picked up this week to be done with its next service.
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Done this this morning. Just under 80k on the clock and only small wear but changed it and the 'O' ring as well.
Thanks for the guide, pictures make a big difference when tackling these sort of things. :happy2:
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On advice I had my Cam Follower replaced - my Standard 08 GTI has covered 167000 miles and was still on the original one.
It showed minimal wear and was still good for 0000's more miles but was good to check and replace for piece of mind and the followers price!
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Tuned cars eat them A LOT quicker.
Even standard cars can get through them if the driver is a bit more throttle happy. Perhaps that's testiment to your car being driven nicely @StuF (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3501)
For the sake of £25 delivered: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=225
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I think you are correct @Scottymon (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7640) - the car appears to have been very very well looked after!
And for the sake of £25 it was worth changing - I imagine the car will be getting driven a little harder by me rather than the PO
Always better to be safe than sorry with these small items! :drinking:
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The one I got of Ebay came today and its not greased up whats best to grease it up with and do I grease inside and outside??
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No need for grease. Just smear a bit of engine oil on and stick it in :happy2:
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Cheers, that's what I'll do & do I oil the Inside and outside or just ouside?
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Inside and out. I dipped mine in engine oil. The 4 holes are for lubrication.
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Inside and out. I dipped mine in engine oil. The 4 holes are for lubrication.
Nice one I'll be doing this when I finish work in a hour can't wait to see what mines like now I'll post a pic of I have time!
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New follower on the right. Last image shows the camshaft lobe, you can see some marks, but can't feel them. Should be fine.
Not sure exactly how many miles the follower has done, but it could be original, as the gasket was black, the replacement gasket on the HPFP is light blue. I'll probably check it every other service. Car will get annual oil and filter changes, I do about 7k miles a year max.
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All done :jumping: wind blew one of the t30 torque screws down the back of the engine took me 2 hours to find it with all sortes of tools grabber magnets and everything's or very annoyed even rang VW for a new one but they didn't stock them; I finally found it!
Took 20 mins if that if I take away the screw/bolt rinding grrrrr
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All done :jumping: wind blew one of the t30 torque screws down the back of the engine took me 2 hours to find it with all sortes of tools grabber magnets and everything's or very annoyed even rang VW for a new one but they didn't stock them; I finally found it!
Took 20 mins if that if I take away the screw/bolt rinding grrrrr
Such a PITA when things like that happen, well done for sticking with it... reminds me I need to check mine soon.
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All done :jumping: wind blew one of the t30 torque screws down the back of the engine took me 2 hours to find it with all sortes of tools grabber magnets and everything's or very annoyed even rang VW for a new one but they didn't stock them; I finally found it!
Took 20 mins if that if I take away the screw/bolt rinding grrrrr
Such a PITA when things like that happen, well done for sticking with it... reminds me I need to check mine soon.
I know I needed to car so couldn't stop till I found it I was on the verge of leaving it but I just couldn't! next time I will put them in the magnetic tray that's made to put loose bolts in that was sat about 3 meters away from me :sad1: haha
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I have one of these probably the most used tool in my garage.
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Also bought one of these came in very handy recently when i lost a T30 bit.
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Sorry for thread revival, but do you loose oil when doing this? Or can it be done without an oil change?
Thanks!
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No oil change needed. You loose a few drops.
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A excellent guide, first job ticked off. Very little wear with just the top coating removed. mileage 72k first 50 on long life.
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On the two pipes, the metal one and rubber, does the second rubber one need to be removed or can this stat on and still have enought room to move the pump to get access to the cam follower?
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I left the rubber pipe connected, there was still enough room to change the follower.
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Is it definitely coated? I got mine from the dealer but doesn't look coated to me
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Had a look to do the wifes at the weekend, but her's is an 05 and has the 2 metal pipes so after reading some posts on here I thought stuff it I'll get a garage to do it.
Is it really that much more of a pita?
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Im in the same boat SkyJawa :confused: I just stripped mine to do, and was quite gutted to see it had the two steel pipes. I started the job and got as far as trying to get at the left hand pipe that needs to be undone from underneath, I couldnt seem to get at it with my fat fingers/hands so might need to look at asking a garage to do it.
A bit disapointed, as not being much of a mechanic I had followed the guides on here and managed to change my plugs, DV and PCV so far and my confidence was building regarding doing a lot of the small jobs myself, plus I've really enjoyed it as well. :happy2:
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Likewise. Was going to do it tonight as I expect to be putting a thousand miles on it this week comming.
My intention was to try and avoid the banjo bolt issue by just following the fuel pipes to their ends and disconnecting them, but ran into a few problems-
One- the old style fuel pump doesn't seem to have a pressure release valve. Is there a way to bleed the pressure off that doesn't involve blowing my hands off?
Two/Three- the fuel pipe splits into two- one end runs along the top of the (I think) manifold until it meets a rubber line which is clamped in place. The other end of the fuel pipe vanishes to god knows where under the manifold.
I've seen an Audi forum user who removed the entire pump in this way, but his fuel pipes seemed to terminate in threaded ends retained by a bolt. Mine I'm not so sure about.
Might just buy a 12 splined triple square and have a go, but the results on other forums don't fill me with confidence.
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Excellent thread. Should be pinned!
Quick newbie question. Sorry I havent read all 8 pages.
What, if anything, is done differently for a DSG car?
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Nothing is different on a DSG car.
By the looks of it a lot of people are struggling with the banjo bolt on earlier models.
Its not that difficult. Here are a couple of tools that will help. I'm always using these so they are a good investment.
1/4 inch socket set.
Screwdriver bit set which includes the M8 triple square and everything else you could ever think of.
1/4 inch and 1/2 inch wobble bar set.
Few pics below. I've now replaced the fuel line with the banjo bolt with the newer version.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=95
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I replaced the cam follower using this 'how to'. Thanks for the help, very clear. Nice easy job, only took 15 minutes.
My cam follower had very little wear but changed anyway. Car is an '07 ED30 with 77k on the clock. I am pretty sure it hasn't been changed prior to this. Quite reassured by the condition as I expected a lot more wear. Car has oil changed ever 5000 miles but has done a fair few track days and driven quite hard when warm.
I'll put some pics up when I get a chance.
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Do you have to set tdc when changing just the cam follower?
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It's recommended in the official guides, but you don't need to.
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All done. Hardly owt wrong with it but it's done and ticked off the list, pre map checks before r tech in a couple of weeks :pomppomp:
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Thanks for the write up! 6 years later, still a great help. :happy2:
I actually found the most irritating part was removing the airbox. Hasn't helped my temptation to stick a CAI on really.
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Thanks for the write up! 6 years later, still a great help. :happy2:
I actually found the most irritating part was removing the airbox. Hasn't helped my temptation to stick a CAI on really.
Helps if you have the engine running before to get the rubber mounts warm.
That's the only tip I've got, only removed mine once and that was to fit evoms cai :happy2:
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Great guide... Finally got around to checking my cam follower after 3 or 4 yrs at stage 2+ and it really was very easy, except snapping the fitting of the grey electrical fitting (now zip tied up until I buy a replacement), and the condition was quite surprisingly good, absolutely no wear on the outside and just small amount of wear internally.
Tried posting pics but it only seems to show the link and not the picture
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great guide, with great pics :happy2:
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Replaced my follower today. Took about 15-20 minutes. :happy2:
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Last time I replaced it, I didnt changed the fuel pump seal.
You can get a kit from awesome that invludes the follower, seal and bolts but thats around 50 quid. Follower from dealer is 35, I dont need new.bolts but do need a new seal. Anyone got a part number?
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Last time I replaced it, I didnt changed the fuel pump seal.
You can get a kit from awesome that invludes the follower, seal and bolts but thats around 50 quid. Follower from dealer is 35, I dont need new.bolts but do need a new seal. Anyone got a part number?
WHT005184 :happy2:
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I have one of these probably the most used tool in my garage.
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Also bought one of these came in very handy recently when i lost a T30 bit.
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Put that borescope on my list. :happy2:
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Put that borescope on my list. :happy2:
Dont buy that one it broke after only using it twice.
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Put that borescope on my list. :happy2:
Dont buy that one it broke after only using it twice.
Crappers :sad1:
can't trust anything electronic these days.
Thanks for letting me know. Did you get your money back @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
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Crappers :sad1:
can't trust anything electronic these days.
Thanks for letting me know. Did you get your money back @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
I should have returned it but lost my temper and binned it.
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Crappers :sad1:
can't trust anything electronic these days.
Thanks for letting me know. Did you get your money back @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
I should have returned it but lost my temper and binned it.
doh :stupid:lol what you buying next mate?.
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Awesome guide, pushing the hpfp back onto the engine was a little tight due to the spring. Hopefully no leaks . Think I got it in time 65k miles full service history totally standard. (For now ;-)
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Good work ^^^^^^ :happy2:
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what a guide and tutoriol :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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When changin mine I had a problems with a) banjo bolt veing awkard although once I taped the m8 into a spanner it was easier.
B) reassebmbling the two fuel lines and getting the pump back in. Cant remember specifically what but I think it was getting thr second fuel line (not banjo bolt) back into the pump once pump was in engine.
How do you guys reassemble? Banjo bolt in, second fuel line in, pump in? Or maybe pump in then both fuel lines? Or maybe even one fuel line and pump in then second.fuel line?
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When changin mine I had a problems with a) banjo bolt veing awkard although once I taped the m8 into a spanner it was easier.
B) reassebmbling the two fuel lines and getting the pump back in. Cant remember specifically what but I think it was getting thr second fuel line (not banjo bolt) back into the pump once pump was in engine.
How do you guys reassemble? Banjo bolt in, second fuel line in, pump in? Or maybe pump in then both fuel lines? Or maybe even one fuel line and pump in then second.fuel line?
Check out YouTube pesky, there are plenty of videos to choose from :happy2:
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When changin mine I had a problems with a) banjo bolt veing awkard although once I taped the m8 into a spanner it was easier.
B) reassebmbling the two fuel lines and getting the pump back in. Cant remember specifically what but I think it was getting thr second fuel line (not banjo bolt) back into the pump once pump was in engine.
How do you guys reassemble? Banjo bolt in, second fuel line in, pump in? Or maybe pump in then both fuel lines? Or maybe even one fuel line and pump in then second.fuel line?
Check out YouTube pesky, there are plenty of videos to choose from :happy2:
Yeah I followed a guide but it was a ball ache. Thinking about doing it again seeing as it was nearly 10k and I've had a remap recently so can't hurt. Just wondering how others did theirs
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I've ordered the part from vw as its only £25 where as online I've seen them for closer to 35 quid, so will be changing it over this week , I've read online to renew the Fuel Pump Sealing O-Ring also (Recommended to be replaced every time fuel pump is removed) , is it necessary to change this ?
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I didnt. You migt to for peace of mind.
I recently did mine and managed the banjo.bolt in about two minutes.If yours is axx as well I recomend a quarter inch ratchet about 5 inches long, a two-three inch extension. You go up and undeneath and it doesnt take long. Just put a rag undeneath it all so the banjo bolt doesnt drop.
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I've ordered the part from vw as its only £25 where as online I've seen them for closer to 35 quid, so will be changing it over this week , I've read online to renew the Fuel Pump Sealing O-Ring also (Recommended to be replaced every time fuel pump is removed) , is it necessary to change this ?
Where from?
I didn't replace the seal on mine when we changed it last week, I did buy a spare though just in case for £12.....bleedin ripoff
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Thanks been planning on doing mine now I have a great thread to follow
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Will be doing this job on my car soon. I've just bought it. 05 gti, on 113k and i've no idea if it's ever been done. Follower and O-ring sounds a good idea!
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I did mine Thursday 28 april 2015 hahaha and it was a beech to do woth minimal tools no 17mm and a banjo that was a pita to undo but now that its been removed once it shouldn't be a problem for the next time he say's and I'm a mechanic ff* :doh:
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Hi i have just checked mine ed30 46k and there are no signs of wear would you still change it? Thanks.
Ste
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Change it
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Change it
Even tho there are zero signs of wear not a mark on it?
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What is the latest revision of this now? Or is it still "C"
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Latest rev for what?
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Latest rev for what?
For the fuel pump cam follower
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didn't know they did a revised cam follower as I'm sure someone would have made a comment by now.
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Fair enough I assumed it may hav been changed after looking st all the different revisions for other components.
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Believe the tsi's have a roller cam follower, but may be wrong.
as far tfsi goes, pretty sure just C
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So looks like I'm one of the unlucky ones with the fecking banjo bolt, I've read the whole thread and I'm not sure if I should even try it if there's a big possibility it won't seal correctly, what do you think?
Also any idea how much the no banjo mod costs, and unless I'm missing something it would be a good idea if the mods section had prices :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=95
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The metal fuel line is the expensive part, I got a secondhand one from the German eBay. The other bits are around £35 from the dealers. The banjo bolt is a pain to do but not impossible. If you end up keeping the banjo bolt I'd seriously recommend using a new one when you're putting it back together as the head can get chewed up quite easily. And make sure you use the correct triple square bit to remove and replace it.
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The metal fuel line is the expensive part, I got a secondhand one from the German eBay. The other bits are around £35 from the dealers. The banjo bolt is a pain to do but not impossible. If you end up keeping the banjo bolt I'd seriously recommend using a new one when you're putting it back together as the head can get chewed up quite easily. And make sure you use the correct triple square bit to remove and replace it.
Cheers Octo but what do you class as expensive £100/£300 ?
Also just been Halfords and they've only got 1/2" triple square, absolutely no chance getting that in there :rolleye:
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I don't remember the price but it's more than £100 which seems a lot for a bit of pipe. I got my triple square set from machine mart.
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I can't find any 1/4 drive m8s anywhere, might just give up and let R-tech do it .
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The metal fuel line is the expensive part, I got a secondhand one from the German eBay. The other bits are around £35 from the dealers. The banjo bolt is a pain to do but not impossible. If you end up keeping the banjo bolt I'd seriously recommend using a new one when you're putting it back together as the head can get chewed up quite easily. And make sure you use the correct triple square bit to remove and replace it.
The banjo bolt on mine is knackered. I actually managed to get to my follower in the end without removing the banjo bolt but had to prise away very carefully the HPFP after loosening the fuel rails.
Need to get the bolt changed though if I can ever figure out how to get it off in the first place now!
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I can't find any 1/4 drive m8s anywhere, might just give up and let R-tech do it .
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Is this the right one and is it 1/4" drive as I can't see where it says, not bad at that price :happy2:
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Yep that's the one I bought and used. I'd also recommend getting some of those ratcheting spanners if you don't already have some.
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Managed to borrow a 3/8 one off a mechanic, not sure if I'll be able to get in with it but worth a try before spending on a set.
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Just replaced mine, car is on 64k and no proof of it being changed ever, so wasn't taking any chances. Seems to only have minimal wear so maybe changed at some point in its life.
Couldn't for the life of me disconnect the bottom electrical connector, don't know how people are managing to get to it, (http://)as it's in such a difficult place with the clip facing downwards! Didn't seem to effect anything though by not disconnecting it.
Thanks for the guide!
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Reading more & more about the Cam Follower has naturally got me feeling nervous! Are there any indicators on age/mileage as to when they start to wear? Ive got a 57 plate Edition 30 but its only on 29k so wanted to know if Im worrying about nothing? Also, how much are the replacement followers?
Cheers.
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There is no indication or standard ages they wear at. A lot to do with quality of oil. You'll just have to take it and check im afraid. On 29k im sure its fine if the engine is stock. Dont worry yourself unnecessarily, but dont forget about it.
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There is no indication or standard ages they wear at. A lot to do with quality of oil. You'll just have to take it and check im afraid. On 29k im sure its fine if the engine is stock. Dont worry yourself unnecessarily, but dont forget about it.
Thanks, will add it to 'things to do one day' list!
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It's primarily increased load from aftermarket fuel pumps that accelerate follower wear, so not everyone needs to unduly concern themselves with this.
Other secondary causes include, crap oil and extended drain intervals, increased rev limiter from remaps, increased pump load from remaps etc etc.
For people wanting to keep their cars indefinitely, there is the AKS TSI roller conversion, which is a permanent solution. VW themselves saw this as a flawed design and upgraded it. The conversion uses genuine parts, it's not a hack job. Otherwise regular changes of the follower is what most folk do. A lot cheaper, but more risk of damaging stuff because the pump and follower were not designed to be removed frequently.
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It's primarily increased load from aftermarket fuel pumps that accelerate follower wear, so not everyone needs to unduly concern themselves with this.
10 days ago when I had my VIS pump internals fitted, the mechanic reported that the spring retaining collar had some hairline cracks. This is on a 24k mile car which had no issues reported when the cam follower was replaced last year. Apparantly this is a common fault according to the local VW dealer. Anyhow, in the last few days whilst I was waiting for the new pump to arrive those hairline cracks have grown visibly in just 200 miles and the rear seal was also damaged. Whilst I feel relieved that the pump has now been replaced with a new one, there won't be any complacency on my part in having this checked regularly. Perhaps there was a manufacturing weakness which has since been resolved but why take the chance.
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I've just had mine changed for presumably the first time in the cars life, (although it could have been done before I owned it, theres nothing in the service book or reciepts)
Cars done 80k, The garage gave me the old one. (Had it done in addition to a service) Looks completely fine, If I'd checked it before booking it I wouldn't have bothered.
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My original follower also looked fine when replaced last year, albeit at a lower mileage, however a close inspection of the pump did not appear to have been undertaken by that mechanic.
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My original follower also looked fine when replaced last year, albeit at a lower mileage, however a close inspection of the pump did not appear to have been undertaken by that mechanic.
Got a pic of the part in question? I can't say I've ever checked my pump when it's come out for follower replacements. It's a Loba though, so not sure if they change that bit or not.
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Sorry Pudding but it has already been disposed of. If you look at the photo in the link below, then it is the retaining collar on the end of the spring which had a crack in it and was starting to deform.
https://www.vrsnorthampton.com/1974-large_default/loba-motorsport-20-tfsi-upgrade-high-pressure-fuel-pump.jpg
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Ah right, I know the bit you mean now. And it was all original up to that point? That's pretty poor! Good job it was spotted in time!
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Yep all original up-to that point save for Revo stage 1 map with stock hardware. 24k mile one owner car with annual oil change, mostly using Millers NT. 2007 BWA chassis. Is a piss poor situation and I was indeed very lucky that it was spotted before a cluster fk arose.
Is worth mentioning that the car sounds mechanically quieter now it has been replaced, though I suspect the ecu needs to re-adapt as the power delivery feels 'tighter'.
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Brilliant guide, helped me alot thanks!
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Changed my cam follower myself for the first time yesterday. 88k and no record of it being changed before so it was very high on my to-do list!
This guide and thread helped me get it done DIY without any issues.
It was badly worn so I'm glad I did. I would post pics, but I'm new here and haven't worked out how to yet!
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I did mine yesterday (with banjo bolt) and a little help from a mate. No signs of it ever having been done but it didnt look too bad.
Relatively straight forward to do though even with the banjo bolt.
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Great guide, used it for the second time this evening!
Does anyone know if the dust cap for the fuel valve can be bought separately? As my disintegrated when I tried to take it off tonight
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Great guide, used it for the second time this evening!
Does anyone know if the dust cap for the fuel valve can be bought separately? As my disintegrated when I tried to take it off tonight
Have you tried one off your own vehicle wheels?
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Different size @doylebros (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6153)
You need: 06F133335A about 80p from the dealers
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Thanks mate
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Different size @doylebros (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6153)
You need: 06F133335A about 80p from the dealers
Always happy to be educated :happy2:
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Another happy customer. Thanks for this
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Tried to do mine on Saturday, love the optimistic 45 minute time for doing it...
I realised I had the dreaded banjo bolt, after having to borrow a splined tool set off a mate, I then found out that the head was rounded, so had to put it back together.
New bolt and new splined bits ordered, second time lucky this weekend!
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2nd attempt today, only took an hour which included getting all the tools out and cleaning up!
New banjo bolt in, new follower and O ring.
It's been around 10k since the last owner did it, car is stage 2, I'd say normal wear looking at the follower.
Happy it's done!
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Some pictures of the dreaded banjo after I got it out and my cam follower after 14k.
(https://s1.postimg.org/1lh9o2od8r/IMG_3651.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/1lh9o2od8r/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/68fo2xqf57/IMG_3652.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/68fo2xqf57/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/5qpmecr6q3/IMG_3653.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5qpmecr6q3/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/3o9tqar3ob/IMG_3654.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3o9tqar3ob/)
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@NickGTi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=21778) That is some serious wear considering it’s only done 10k, what was the cam lobe like?
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Fairly typical of tuned TFSIs! Once the DLC coating rubs off, it's not long left for this world!
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@NickGTi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=21778) That is some serious wear considering it’s only done 10k, what was the cam lobe like?
It's closer to 15k after checking, the cam looked fine upon inspection.
The car is stage 2 spec so to be expected I guess.
Glad it's all done though!
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Many thanks OP for this guide. :happy2: :happy2:
Tackled this today on my 2005 AXX with 74k on the clock.
Had a banjo bolt pump but used a 10mm ratchet spanner and taped up the m8 12 sided spline tool from my Hilka set (same as the machine mart set mentioned in an earlier reply) to the ratchet and worked a treat getting the bolt off and back on.
Be aware that the banjo fitting needs to be slightly lifted away from under the pump to free it as there is a lip on the pump allowing the banjo fitting to seat back onto the pump.
Case hardening was starting to wear through on the tappet so a wise move it was replaced now.
Also fitted a new o ring as the old one was brittle and had to be lifted off the pump with a flat head screwdriver.
Took 30 minutes start to finish.
Regards
Antony
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Managed to check my cam follower yesterday afternoon, it’s done roughly 15,000 miles & looked in very good condition on stage 1 tune, also cam lobe looked A1.
I did find the HPFP piston & spring quite stiff on inspection (maybe normal) but after a good few compressions of the same with palm of my hand and making sure I pushed it dead straight and supported the HPFP with my other hand it did seem to free off a little, car seems to to be a little more smoother & positive after this!! Not faster
Anyone else had this, or is it all in my head :thinking: Seem to enjoy driving it more today & even took it for a spin down back roads
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Also made sure I had the engine TDC just in case not sure if this matters or not, hardest bit of all the job for me was trying to get the cam belt cover back on jeeeez what a pain in the arse.
Took me longer to do that bit then the HPFP cam check
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To be honest I did not bother getting the engine to TDC.
Just ensured that upon reassembly all three fuel pump bolts were tightened down equality in turn so that there was no potential to distort or knacker the fuel pump piston & spring.
Regards
Antony
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Great guide. very much appreciated. Just bought a mk5 on 83k and having done my research before buying the car on this forum i knew the follower would be the first thing i checked.Its a 2 owner car with full history and no evidence of the follower ever been replaced. The guy i bought it of had the car 10 years and he certainly hadnt had it changed.
So after buying a kit of awesome gti for £64 inc delivery(bolts /seal/cam follower) and doing my research on here i went for it.
Was very pleased to find a cam follower all in one piece.whilst the coating had worn off the follower the cam and fuel pump looked good condition.New follower fitted and all went back together well.
So for people as a reference the car was on 83k on the origional follower. regular oil changes and has had a remap since about 35k
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Thanks for this guide, love the pictures and going to have a go at this tomorrow.
Is the consensus to put the engine in TDC or not needed?
Not sure if mine ('08) has the banjo or not but would people recommend replacing it after disconnecting it or will it be fine if it isn't chewed up?
Any good videos which have the banjo example in?
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I think you'll be ok, I believe the banjo bolt was done away with after '06.
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Do I need to worry about TDC?
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No, but once the pump is out, you could turn the crank (clockwise) a bit if the cam lobe is pointing up, which will make refitting it easier.
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Didn't worry about TDC. The electrical connectors were a bit stiff but came off no problem with a pick. The rest of the parts came off fairly easy as per the guide. Definitely glad it had no banjo!!
It didn't take too much force to put it back on, hand started all the fixings and hand tight all the bolts once it's seated down.
Looking at the state of the follower I don't think it's ever been changed, just hope there isn't any lasting effects on the top end.
(https://i.postimg.cc/28J71mYR/20220725-211714.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fGqdk4J)