MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: QD MBE on November 28, 2009, 06:31:02 pm
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BSH Billet Transmission and Side Engine Mounts Review
1 INTRODUCTION
We spend £’s trying to get more horsepower from our cars, we spend £’s trying to make the chassis handle better, and the car stop better. What about the engine to chassis interface?
I personally did not like the power take up in my car, my car is not mapped, however the engine lurched back and forth under power, this torque reaction is a by-product of a rotating mass. The Torque reaction has several undesirable effects, it can at its extreme give exhaust mounts and exhaust welds a hard time.
Web based blurb on the STD VW mounts (taken from the VF site)
The VW factory transmission mount was designed as a soft flexible mount to provide a very comfortable drive. Its drawback was the large amount of engine movement allowed under torque load and on hard acceleration. This engine "slop" greatly decreases stability and smoothness under high performance driving conditions and rapid gear selection.
The VW factory mount is hydraulic and constructed from rubber vulcanized onto a steel plate. The rubber cavity contains a viscous oil which dampens shock and vibration loaded onto the mount via the transmission. Typically over a period of time failure occurs when the rubber cracks leaking out the oil. VF engineers chose to redesign this mount by eliminating the oil and designing the mount using a single piece of polyurethane instead of rubber. The new design is setup for longevity and stability.
I have the VWR lower mount fitted, this was not at my behest, but was carried out by VWR to cure a problem.
I was talking to Ben at Dubtek about catch cans and all such items, and he mentioned he had some BSH mounts on their way.
CHOICES
I have been looking at several sets of mounts recently. The main 2 being VWR and BSH. There are others such as VF Engineering,
VWR
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk (http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk)
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I had a look at the mounts when at VWR last time, I always felt that they were over-priced. They look adequately made, however I feel have too many parts, especially the engine side mount (far right in above pic). The main reason I have not fitted them before is the cost. Circa £500 for the 2 engine mounts (not including the rear lower mount (Subframe mount)).
BSH
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http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16996&cat=503&page=1 (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16996&cat=503&page=1)
I had a look at a set of these mounts, and the manufacture that has been carried out is very impressive. Circa £180 from Dubtek on this forum, with all required fixings supplied (not withstanding the charcoal cannister mod - Circa £1).
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8294.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8294.0)
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On the BSH Site picture they don’t look too substantial, but when in hand they are a mean piece of kit.
VF Eng look very similar to the BSH variants
http://www.vf-accessories.com/acc_vw_mk5mounts.php (http://www.vf-accessories.com/acc_vw_mk5mounts.php)
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FITTING
One concern I had was the fact that the BSH test car would not have had a charcoal canister.
I started with the engine side mount first.
To get to it I unshipped the coolant expansion tank, and removed the charcoal canister. The canister is mounted by 3 points, 2 bolts and 1 nut.
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In the above pic, you can see the 3 mounts in the mid picture. I have highlighted this due to further work later.
I took the weight of the engine, by placing a jack under the lip of the sump (where it is bolted to the block) and jacked it slightly.
The mount is secured to the block by 2 bolts and to the car chassis by two bolts. There is also a strap that adds further rigidity, which is bolted to the inner wing.
I removed the mount, and fitted the BSH item. The mount bolts are torque loaded. I used the 3 BSH mounts and one of the removed VW bolts. The bolt I used can be seen in the above picture, with a stud on the bolt head. This stud is a securing point for the canister.
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Above shows the mount fitted. With the VW bolt in the fore ground, showing the stud. Also in the left of the picture you can see the extra strap for rigidity. I Believe that VWR also use this method. In the picture it also looks like the Aircon pipe is close to the mount strap bolt, there is 3/4" clearance there.
I secured the canister by manufacturing a simple stay, to run from the extra strap bolt (left of pic) to canister. I also used a stud connector, I bought this today from my local hardware for the princely sum of 18p. I bought 3 actually, so if you need one, give me a shout.
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I fitted this on the mount stud and used an M6 allen bolt and secured the canister.
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You can see 2 of the 3 canister mounts in this picture.
Mount fully fitted
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Engine side-mount torque values
Mount to Chassis – 30 Lbs/ft
Mount to engine block – 44Lbs/ft
Mount Top Bolt – 30 Lbs/ft
Mount strap to body – 18Lbs/ft
Gearbox mount
The gearbox mount is somewhat simpler. You have to remove the battery, and the battery tray.
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The tray is secured by 3 x 6mm bolts. You have to remove it by lifting and twisting.
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In the above picture you can see the 3 bolts securing the mount to the gearbox, and the 4 bolts securing the mount to the chassis.
Torque values
Mount to chassis – 30 Lbs/ft
Mount to Transmission – 44 Lbs/ft
Mount center bolt – 30 Lbs/ft
Conclusions
The mounts are not supplied with any comprehensive instructions, nor are there any on the BSH site. However the instructions would be in the vein of simply remove the 4 bolts securing the mount and refit.
The task to fit is easy, however there is some degree of fabrication involved to secure the Charcoal canister. This is simple to do however, with the use of a simple strap, and a stud connector.
The car seems to start easier. There is increased vibration, and feedback from the engine. The gearshift is more positive. The transmission slop has totally disappeared, and the power take-up is more positive and less wooley. This was my main reason for fit, and I am happy that it has had the desired effect.
One of the slight downsides is the increased noise in the cabin. All engine running and associated noises are transmitted into the cabin. This has already started to settle down, and I hope it carries on doing so.
The mounts are very very well made, and it is obvious that a lot of development has gone into them. If cost was not an option; I would still opt for the BSH variants. I am sure the VWR and others are as good, it is however my opinion, that the BSH items aesthetically are better and also better manufactured, and are certainly up to the job. I also think that spares will be readily available, albeit from the States.
I am very happy with the mounts, and can at the moment live with the vibration and extra noise, i am sure they will settle down further soon.
Maintenance required
As will any Mod, there is extra maintenance. In this case there is a once only check torque after 200miles. Although prudent as with any upgrade and diversion away from OEM to check the condition regularly.
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Taken from a VW Vortex thread
Cold Start Impressions: You can feel a decent amount of vibration in the seats/steering wheel/shifter. On a scale of 1 to 10, one being stock, 10 being it feels like an earthquake in my car, this would be a 4. The VF mounts (with the one touching the engine like stated in a post way up top) would be a 7. Normal VF mounts would probably be a 3 from other people's reviews.
So I let it sit and idle while I cleaned up shop and then after it was up to temp I sat in it. Vibration is almost all gone. A little hint of it, but not nearly as much as at high idle in cold condition. I revved the engine and let it decel down and it lights off at about 1100 to 1200 RPM's. If you think about cold idle, which is roughly at that speed, it explains the high vibration (it hits resonance at roughly 1100-1200 RPM's and cold idle is at about the same...who would've thought). No other areas in which it vibrates like crazy though. Slightly more vibration at other RPM's but nothing worth mentioning.
Engine tone is different. Not a bad kind of different though.
Short Driving Impressions: I drove from the garage up to the house, a whole 150 feet or so. Its louder. For sure. Now, I have been told to let it "break in" so I am going to give it a few thousand miles and make better judgement then. I don't know how to describe it though. It was only a really short drive though, so I need to go on a longer one. Which is happening....
NOW! Be back in about 20 minutes!
(30 minutes later on golfmkv.com)
Sorry, I'm late...lol!
I didn't want to stop!!!
Added Noise - Okay, in all honesty, if you have kids or are have NVH ADD (you found every squeek and rattle and fixed it) or have a wife/girlfriend that bitches a lot...these aren't for you. At least the initial break in is not for you. I hear it gets better with a little mileage on the car. It is a completely different noise. I kind of like it. You really hear the engine more. Now, bear in mind that I don't have the under-hood insulation, so mine may be more dramatic then yours. With that (lack of insulation), I can hear squeeking from the front I never heard before. Perhaps its the new mounts? Its a very light squeek and you can only hear it if you listen for it (I was purposely listening for a difference). With the radio on, I couldn't notice it.
Highway speeds - You can't even tell unless you go up a huge hill and you put a little load on the engine, but still its a very minute noise increase. Passing people...well...if you are like me you give her a little gas and just zip around people. You hear more in that situation.
Launches - WOW Between this and the Coilovers, there is ZERO wheel hop. None. launches are hard and fast, fast shifts are smooth as butter now (sometimes I used to get that engine lurching feeling between the shifts), and above 3k RPM's I can't notice a difference. This is probably because the higher frequency vibration in those RPM ranges has very little displacement so it is not transferred through the body.
Would I recommend it for anyone wanting performance enhancement and not worried about keeping their car super quiet? Yes. It will increase in cabin noise, but the benefits of the smooth shifts, lack of wheel hop, and for me...the cool added engine noise are worth it.
Web based Fittings guides - Not BSH
http://www.vf-accessories.com/pdfs/g5-enginesidemount.pdf (http://www.vf-accessories.com/pdfs/g5-enginesidemount.pdf)
http://www.vf-accessories.com/pdfs/g5-transsidemount.pdf (http://www.vf-accessories.com/pdfs/g5-transsidemount.pdf)
Hope this helps decisoin making and fitting.
Dave
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One hell of a job done, and write up there Quality Dave. :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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Excellent write up QD! :drinking:
At least I know where to come as and when I purchase these items! :wink: :happy2:
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Nice write up QD, you can take me for a spin when I pop down... :happy2:
Which will be soon.... :smiley:
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Outstanding write up! :congrats:
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Thanks QD. Not sure it is something I will do but always nice to hear an inderendent opinion. :wink:
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sweeeeeeet :congrats:
very nice writeup :happy2:
so tempted to pull the trigger on these ....... :drool:
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Just when I thought I'd decided on the VWR ones :'(
The only thing is the mention to the 'noise' getting quieter when the mounts are 'bedded in' The noise is one of the results I wantr from the mounts.... Hmmmm
Are they £180 only for a limited time? If so what is the price they will increase to???
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Mike,
I think they will settle a bit, however I don't think they will settle to a point where you lose the noise you crave for.
Get the BSH ones, you will not be disappointed, when you see them or fit them! They really have been thought out well, and the manufacture is fantastic. (I am a time-served fitter/turner and boilermaker who took another apprenticeship 23 years ago into an Aerospace Engineer (structural specialist)), they are made very well.
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Just when I thought I'd decided on the VWR ones :'(
The only thing is the mention to the 'noise' getting quieter when the mounts are 'bedded in' The noise is one of the results I wantr from the mounts.... Hmmmm
Are they £180 only for a limited time? If so what is the price they will increase to???
Mike ill have the vwr lower sub mount (solid) fitted for the awesome rr day so you can hear what that sounds like if you want.
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That's an outstanding write-up, Quality Dave - It's Quality! :notworthy:
Do you not hear any Grrrrrrrrrrr!! under hard throttle?
@ RobH:
I don't think you'll hear any extra sounds with only the lower mount fitted - That's definitely how it is with the VWR mounts. But it's the lower mount which kills the vast majority of the engine rocking and delivers the power more directly.
BSH don't appear to do a lower mount apart from the dogbone connector (not a mount) - Isn't that the mount which is responsible for most of the curing of engine rocking?
I'd be disappointed in the extreme if I fitted the BSH mounts and then found that the engine bay sounds settled down into being quieter or less of them. But I don't currently understand why the BSH mounts would make less noise than the VWR's except if the duro was softer on the BSH's.
I still don't know what soundz GTIjames hears with his VF mounts.
Regarding cost differences I reckon it's because on one hand, BSH manufacture their own in-house (correct me if I'm wrong) and have probably also cut their profits because they seem very keen to sell quantity and establish themselves. VWR on the other hand, have their mounts manufactured outside. How do VF prices compare?
I think that if I hadn't already bought VWR mounts I'd want to know what the duro differences were before deciding further. And in hindsight I'd want to drive a car fitted with each to hear what sounds are transmitted. I don't think that any of the BSH, VWR, and VF mounts are below the standard they need to be - I'm not a qualified engineer but that's how they all look to me.
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Robin,
The GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR sound was the least of my goals. i fitted them due to the OEM variants being gash, and being forced down the road by having the Vw racing lower mount fitted due to a problem not of my doing.
The Grrrrrrrrr sound is the one part I dislike.
However the lack of transmission slop is the goal, and the BSH mounts have delivered, and I hope they continue to settle.
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Robin,
The GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR sound was the least of my goals. i fitted them due to the OEM variants being gash, and being forced down the road by having the Vw racing lower mount fitted due to a problem not of my doing.
The Grrrrrrrrr sound is the one part I dislike.
However the lack of transmission slop is the goal, and the BSH mounts have delivered, and I hope they continue to settle.
must admit that should be everyones goal. i certainly dont want the car vibrating to death, but i do want a lack of slop in everything. looking forward to seeing if they do become less intrusive.
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Robin,
The GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR sound was the least of my goals. i fitted them due to the OEM variants being gash, and being forced down the road by having the Vw racing lower mount fitted due to a problem not of my doing.
The Grrrrrrrrr sound is the one part I dislike.
However the lack of transmission slop is the goal, and the BSH mounts have delivered, and I hope they continue to settle.
....I know that, Dave :happy2: - Your excellent review stated why you wanted them very clearly.
I am asking about the Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!! out of my own interest and also for the sake of others reading this thread who actually are interested in the sounds which engine mounts can transfer.
So, it appears you are hearing, not feeling, the grrrr with BSH mounts - Not what you wish to hear but perhaps what some others do want to hear.
Reducing/losing any transmission slop is of course a primary goal but some of us also love the sound extras as an incidental plus.
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must admit that should be everyones goal. i certainly dont want the car vibrating to death, but i do want a lack of slop in everything. looking forward to seeing if they do become less intrusive.
....Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the car actually vibrates any more or any less when engine mounts are fitted - Just more of the existing sounds and minor vibrations are transferred from the engine bay to the cabin - Something which car manufacturers do all they can to eliminate in their quest to give us a softer caccoon because it's what most people prefer.
In fact, as Dave has pointed out, the likelihood of such things like exhaust mounts breaking are lessened.
To my mind, it's not a fault whether an engine mount set either amplifies or reduces engine bay sounds, but it's simply different individual's preferences.
In time Dave will doubtless report his findings on the level of sound due to his BSH mounts. Meanwhile mine continue to give me much aural satisfaction.
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From what i can tell these mounts are to better transfer the power down onto the road through the drive train.
I feel both the BSH and VWR will be very capable of doing this.
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Regarding cost differences I reckon it's because on one hand, BSH manufacture their own in-house (correct me if I'm wrong) and have probably also cut their profits because they seem very keen to sell quantity and establish themselves. VWR on the other hand, have their mounts manufactured outside. How do VF prices compare?
I agree with you here Robin completely, and if they both reduce engine movement which is the reason for fitting these, then unfortunately BSH have managed to price VWR out of the market completely.
BSH = £ 180
VWR = £ 470 approx
If they both perform to a similar level then that is one hell of a hike in price to pay for a GRRRRrrrr .
And i know cost is not a concern to you Robin, but that is a no-brainer whoever you may be. :happy2:
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That's absolutely right, TC. So far, I can't see how the BSH mounts won't perform every bit as well as the VWR mounts and they cost much, much less - Good for the consumer but not so good for VWR.
Thing is, that even as what you call a no-brainer, there are loads of people like me who will pay approx £300 extra for the Grrrrrrrr!! It's no different than what some people spend on the differences in car sound systems.
As it happens, I was only talking this weekend to a friend interested in engine mounts for his car and who loves the sound of mine. I told him that my VWR cost substantially more money than the BSH and his reply was "Robin, you know me, if I like something I don't care if it's expensive" (or words to that effect).
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That's absolutely right, TC. So far, I can't see how the BSH mounts won't perform every bit as well as the VWR mounts and they cost much, much less - Good for the consumer but not so good for VWR.
Thing is, that even as what you call a no-brainer, there are loads of people like me who will pay approx £300 extra for the Grrrrrrrr!! It's no different than what some people spend on the differences in car sound systems.
As it happens, I was only talking this weekend to a friend interested in engine mounts for his car and who loves the sound of mine. I told him that my VWR cost substantially more money than the BSH and his reply was "Robin, you know me, if I like something I don't care if it's expensive" (or words to that effect).
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The BSH look far more expensive than the VWR as well. They look better finished, the anodised black looks very classy. The VWR seems to be made up from a kit of parts. it would not surprise me if the VW Racing versions are a generic mount, adapted for use in the Golf.
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to be fair TC I reckon you could get the VWR mounts for less than £470 , but still its more than double the BSH ones.
the VF alternative 2 side mounts are £300 from JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsimotormounts.htm#tfsi (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsimotormounts.htm#tfsi)
In design the VF/BSH look virtually identical, with central rubber 'cores'
the big thing about the VWR ones is that they appear to have far less rubber in their construction. but we would need one 'taken apart' to view its internals just to see actually how much rubber there is in there and how the surfaces are used to transmit forces.
like Robin says I would like to compare durometer rating for VF and BSH.
I reckon youre right about the 'generic' bit stokeballon as if it was the only mount you'd certainly have removed any excessive metal.
unless the huge black bar performs some function (?)
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I don't think you'll hear any extra sounds with only the lower mount fitted - That's definitely how it is with the VWR mounts. But it's the lower mount which kills the vast majority of the engine rocking and delivers the power more directly.
You are aware im talking about the solid race mount not the fast road mounts that vwracing do right.
Herd it in Mat ed30 car and sounded mean, dont know if that was the blueflame tbe playing mind games and im pretty sure he only has the lower on fitted aswell.
Anyway aslong as it improves power delivery to the road and stops engine rocking im happy, the Grrrr is a bonus :happy2:.
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I don't think you'll hear any extra sounds with only the lower mount fitted - That's definitely how it is with the VWR mounts. But it's the lower mount which kills the vast majority of the engine rocking and delivers the power more directly.
You are aware im talking about the solid race mount not the fast road mounts that vwracing do right.
Herd it in Mat ed30 car and sounded mean, dont know if that was the blueflame tbe playing mind games and im pretty sure he only has the lower on fitted aswell.
Anyway aslong as it improves power delivery to the road and stops engine rocking im happy, the Grrrr is a bonus :happy2:.
....I've driven one of VWR's track cars with solid mounts but there was so much glorious noise going on that I just enjoyed it a whole and didn't focus on exactly what each noise was. Otherwise, I haven't heard their solid race mounts yet.
Any Grrrr is definitely heard because of engine mounts and most definitely NOT the exhaust. At first, on the VWR demo car aka Red Temptress, I thought it was exhaust too but that's only because you hear it in direct harmony as the throttle widens open.
Any Grrrr is a bonus, though not for everyone, and mine has remained the same since day1 and not lessened :jumpmove:
We'll have to wait and see if the BSH behave differently or not in this respect. As they appear so similar to the VF I would expect the same behaviour.
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I have had the VF mounts on for almost a year now they were the only choice at the time as the BSH and VWR were not yet available but been very happy with them.
I can confirm what Robin says re the Grrr sound, it makes the car sound a lot more purposeful and I like it
Though there is alot more to these mounts than just increased cabin noise - they have pretty much eliminated wheel hop and less engine movement also means less body roll which in turn improves handling, acceleration, breaking and gear changes.
the side effects are increased cabin noise and a bit more feedback through the steering wheel and pedals - for me this is not a negative for some it might be...
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Great Review! :drinking:
Great Idea on mounting the charcoal canisters as well. We have been working on a bracket to do that very same job.
By the time Ben gets the order placed for the group buy he is putting together these will be sent out with everything the Euro spec cars need.
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Great Idea on mounting the charcoal canisters as well. We have been working on a bracket to do that very same job.
....I'm in the process of sourcing you a Charcoal Cannister (Phil@BSH asked for one) - Do you not want one now? If not please tell me asap so people can stop their searching.
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While you are here, Justin, perhaps you could let us know what durometer your BSH mounts use, please. And also whether you expect the mounts to 'settle' and make less Grrrr! sounds in harmony with the throttle and exhaust.
Thanks :smiley:
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While you are here, Justin, perhaps you could let us know what durometer your BSH mounts use, please. And also whether you expect the mounts to 'settle' and make less Grrrr! sounds in harmony with the throttle and exhaust.
Thanks :smiley:
+1 pleaaase!
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Full details are up on the site. Durometer is 78a on the side mounts, 88a pendulum mount.
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16996&cat=0&page=1
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I'd still like that charcoal canister if its available :smiley:
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Thanks for the duro info, Phil :happy2:. I think we need to find out the VF duro now *. The VWR duro too perhaps, although the VF and BSH designs are far more similar.
Re the charcoal can, someone is looking and I'll let you know as soon as we find one.
* The VF site says: "Custom manufactured high durometer polyurethane" - No duro specified.
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Oh, and the 'settling' question? Will any Grrrr lessen? Or only as the bush becomes softer?
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Well the marriage is over. I have taken the day off work to remove the mounts.
Please think back (or read back) and remember my reason for fitting. It was to remove the inherent transmission slop in the VW system.
Did it work? Very wholeheartedly – Yes! But, and there is a but................
I could not live with the noise. The majority of the time the mounts are very quiet, as the engine is cruising at a steady speed, however when pressing on, the Grrrr sound, feted by many, was something I could not live with.
I will live with the lesser of the 2 evils, that being transmission slop. I can live with that. :sad1: The Golf Gti to me is about excitement with some refinement, think back to the VW ads, with the car arriving at an exclusive venue with little fuss. That is the Golf for me, not one with a mighty subjective Grrrrr sound.
The mounts are an absolute work of art, and I think are very comparable in Grrrrr sound to the VW racing ones (I had that car for over week earlier this year, so I feel qualified to comment on the comparison), however in aesthetics the VWR variant cannot touch the BSH.
Just a pity that they are too noisy for me................
Great shame, I would like to thank Ben at Dubtek and BSH for their assistance. My original review stands; they are a fantastic product, manufactured very very well, and for the price.................... Pity about the Grrrr not being suited to me.
Please don’t think they drown everything out, they do not, they are just noisier that I wanted, I had hoped they would settle, however I cant wait for that to happen.
I will be passing on the mounts so someone else, who wants the Grrrrrr, included will be my patented Charcoal can fix.
:happy2:
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:surprised:
sounds like just the lower VWR mount then would be for you stoke ?
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i have that fitted already John. It does a fantastic job of taking up the slop, however if that is taut, then it will act as a pivot, and pass on the slop to the next weakest point. The upper mounts.
:happy2:
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Can you not do a JonnyC and fill the OEM mounts with resin, to replace the oil? I think that'd be a halfway house.
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crikey mustve been bad then. I have the VWR lower too and my next step is these :surprised:
comparing just
1.VWR mount
2. VWR + side mounts
whats the relative increase in noise/vibration?
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Can you not do a JonnyC and fill the OEM mounts with resin, to replace the oil? I think that'd be a halfway house.
I have thought about that. I think the first stop may be my friendly Stealer.............. If not then I may just puncture the oilbag and fill with a more viscous medium.
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crikey mustve been bad then. I have the VWR lower too and my next step is these :surprised:
comparing just
1.VWR mount
2. VWR + side mounts
whats the relative increase in noise/vibration?
it is not bad John, just some choose to obtain the added noises, I personally can put up with some of that, but not to the level the BSH/VWR mounts give.
As i said, it is not bad, just too much for me, the car is definitely tauter and more direct with the mounts fitted, just too much added for me. The VWR car was the same, I had hoped that the BSH would have been a half way house as Mike put it.
Ps I hate frosties too!
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Can you not do a JonnyC and fill the OEM mounts with resin, to replace the oil? I think that'd be a halfway house.
I have thought about that. I think the first stop may be my friendly Stealer.............. If not then I may just puncture the oilbag and fill with a more viscous medium.
:happy2:
There'll be a way of getting a compromise.
I used to run a poly dogbone in summer and R32 in winter on my old PD150, as the cold weather made the poly unbearable... so I feel your pain.
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Can you not do a JonnyC and fill the OEM mounts with resin, to replace the oil? I think that'd be a halfway house.
I have thought about that. I think the first stop may be my friendly Stealer.............. If not then I may just puncture the oilbag and fill with a more viscous medium.
:happy2:
There'll be a way of getting a compromise.
I used to run a poly dogbone in summer and R32 in winter on my old PD150, as the cold weather made the poly unbearable... so I feel your pain.
I think to inject with a silicone based resin would be the answer. I will have a look at this in the coming weeks, If the stealer cant do anything for me.
Even to slit, and inject silicaset would be better than the full on mounts.
Hmmmmm thinking now!
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Interesting. And also proving that there's no right or wrong in such choices - We all have our differing individual preferences and anything sound related is always extremely subjective.
For those unsure about the Grrrr aspect, it's like exhausts, you have to hear them to be able to decide what suits you. I think that if there's no Grrrr at all, then the engine mount is possibly limited in the amount of anti-slop etc it's benefitting you.
The 'slop' on oem Mk5 GTI's isn't so bad anyway - It depends how hard you want to drive.
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The 'slop' on oem Mk5 GTI's isn't so bad anyway - It depends how hard you want to drive.
blatantly wrong RR I'm afraid, the slop can vary from mild to horrendous depending on the age and how a cars been driven.
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The 'slop' on oem Mk5 GTI's isn't so bad anyway - It depends how hard you want to drive.
blatantly wrong RR I'm afraid, the slop can vary from mild to horrendous depending on the age and how a cars been driven.
x2 The slop on mine is particularly bad. In your VWR review you mention there being Too much movement................
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Yes, there is a surprising amount of engine movement with oem engine mounts - We know it's the compromise in giving the average driver and their passengers cabin comfort and minimum mechanical noise. Whether this is too much movement is for the individual to decide and it's possibly more tolerated in an unmodified car. Deterioration through age is parallel but a different issue. When jumping into a standard unmodified GTI/Ed30 you don't think: My goodness! This car is sloppy.
Dave, in my review I wasn't meaning to say that oem engine mounts were generally unacceptable. Perhaps I should revisit my review and edit it if my words are ambiguous.
I'm surprised that the slop is bad on an Ed30 as the oldest ones are still quite 'young' and also IIRC, Dave, you don't do a big mileage. You'd expect SteveP's to get very sloppy sooner due perhaps to such a high mileage.
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When jumping into a standard unmodified GTI/Ed30 you don't think: My goodness! This car is sloppy.
whilst not wishing to labour the point or spoil stokes thread.
I did think exactly that ! and complained to the dealer a few days after I picked the car up (from new) as it also exagerated the poor clutch bite/groan feel I have when taking up drive.
they stated they were 'within tolerances'
I would have to have escalated further with VW but didnt as i felt it was a waste of my time. (and just fitted OE mounts again anyway!)
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When jumping into a standard unmodified GTI/Ed30 you don't think: My goodness! This car is sloppy.
whilst not wishing to labour the point or spoil stokes thread.
I did think exactly that ! and complained to the dealer a few days after I picked the car up (from new) as it also exagerated the poor clutch bite/groan feel I have when taking up drive.
they stated they were 'within tolerances'
I would have to have escalated further with VW but didnt as i felt it was a waste of my time. (and just fitted OE mounts again anyway!)
Thanks John, I agree and I have re-engaged with the dealer in an effort to sort this out.
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I'm actually hoping for a little more noise from my VF mounts.
The BSH ones do look quite similar to the VF ones, but I think the VF ones are a slightly softer grade of polyeurethane.
Mine should be going on tomorrow, so I'll let you know what mine sound like Dave :happy2:
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I'm actually hoping for a little more noise from my VF mounts.
The BSH ones do look quite similar to the VF ones, but I think the VF ones are a slightly softer grade of polyeurethane.
Mine should be going on tomorrow, so I'll let you know what mine sound like Dave :happy2:
cheers mate. What else are you having done?
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I'm actually hoping for a little more noise from my VF mounts.
The BSH ones do look quite similar to the VF ones, but I think the VF ones are a slightly softer grade of polyeurethane.
Mine should be going on tomorrow, so I'll let you know what mine sound like Dave :happy2:
cheers mate. What else are you having done?
:happy2:
The Quaife ATB LSD is going on at the same time :happy2:
Also the decat (if the flanges arrive!!)
Then going to see if the updated GIAC DSG software is any good.....if not I'm off to Doncaster to get the REVO DSG stage 2 fitted.
Finally, if all goes well I'll be off to have the car dyno'd again :jumpmove:
That's about it for this week :innocent:
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Sounds good John. How is the braking combo?
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Sounds good John. How is the braking combo?
:happy2:
The brakes are still marvellously strong.
Looks like I'll need some new rotors by Spring though as they are pretty worn.
How's yours?
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Like hitting a brick wall when pressed with meaning.
Very nice look too. The grip/abs is the limit now................... In the dry!
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Like hitting a brick wall when pressed with meaning.
Very nice look too. The grip/abs is the limit now................... In the dry!
You need uprated track tyres for summer then :happy2:
My R888's grip like a limpet under heavy braking
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^^^^
Oh, and the 'settling' question? Will any Grrrr lessen? Or only as the bush becomes softer?
This customers review should help you get the best answer.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4609947&postid=62268774#62268774
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^^^^
Thanks for the link, Phil.
As I thought, and would have hoped if I was buying BSH mounts - Pretty much the same extent of and occurrences of minor vibrations and 'noise' as the VWR and VF mounts.
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Minor......................??????????????????????????
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You have the same thoughts as me, i want to remove the slack in the drivetrain etc and these side mounts do that great, but same as you i dont mind a bit of noise, but i dont want the car vibrating all the time.
would have been gutted to have bought it and found they were to much for me.
they are a bargain though? so when i get a second car ill be interested then.
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You have the same thoughts as me, i want to remove the slack in the drivetrain etc and these side mounts do that great, but same as you i dont mind a bit of noise, but i dont want the car vibrating all the time.
would have been gutted to have bought it and found they were to much for me.
they are a bargain though? so when i get a second car ill be interested then.
Sy,
I think the way to go would be to modify the OE mounts. something I will look at soon. This review is an open and honest account of my thoughts. I have driven the VWR red car at length, and now the BSH mounts fitted to mine, and I feel they detract away from the ethos of a Golf GTI. The understated slightly refined Golf is what it is about for me. Just the trans play....................
I could have bought a Westfield if i wanted out and out pure attachment to the road. I set out not to blow sunshine up the aris of the manufacturers, nor to be psychophantic in my review or posts.
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interested to see how to mod the std mount. is it cost effective. or an easyish job, in comparison with swapping mounts
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interested to see how to mod the std mount. is it cost effective. or an easyish job, in comparison with swapping mounts
Don't know............. will do soon. The mount has an oil filled bladder inside, so my aim is to slit this, clean it out and have a play...........
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interested to see how to mod the std mount. is it cost effective. or an easyish job, in comparison with swapping mounts
Don't know............. will do soon. The mount has an oil filled bladder inside, so my aim is to slit this, clean it out and have a play...........
look forward to that.
i heard a co-agulated mixture of rhino sperm and donkey saliva is the way forward.
look
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interested to see how to mod the std mount. is it cost effective. or an easyish job, in comparison with swapping mounts
Don't know............. will do soon. The mount has an oil filled bladder inside, so my aim is to slit this, clean it out and have a play...........
look forward to that.
i heard a co-agulated mixture of rhino sperm and donkey saliva is the way forward.
look
:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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I think the way to go would be to modify the OE mounts. something I will look at soon. This review is an open and honest account of my thoughts. I have driven the VWR red car at length, and now the BSH mounts fitted to mine, and I feel they detract away from the ethos of a Golf GTI. The understated slightly refined Golf is what it is about for me. Just the trans play....................
I could have bought a Westfield if i wanted out and out pure attachment to the road. I set out not to blow sunshine up the aris of the manufacturers, nor to be psychophantic in my review or posts.
....You sound as if you should have bought an Audi. :grin:
I think that there are many Mk1/2/3/4/5 GTI owners who would define the ethos of a Golf GTI somewhat differently. Sure, a Westfield or Triumph motorbike will give you pure attachment to the road but without the allround practicality of a modified GTI. But we have all said it many times before and it's a truly great thing that we each have our individual choices how to use our cars and/or how to modify them.
Incidentally, do you know which engine mounts the VWR demo car had when you drove her?
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The ethos of the GTI has always been the same - MKI to MKVI:
To look as normal on Knightsbridge as it does on a pub car park. To have the admiration and respect of the 'cool' and still get the door opened by the consierge at a plush hotel without him looking down his nose at you. To be able to drop the wife off at work without making her wince and then drive home like you're about to shat your pants.
I think sometimes people convince themselves that the money they've spent on mods is always a step towards perfection. Sometimes they aren't and you make it worse. I praise Dave for trying both sides and evaluating as he sees it.
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The ethos of the GTI has always been the same - MKI to MKVI:
To look as normal on Knightsbridge as it does on a pub car park. To have the admiration and respect of the 'cool' and still get the door opened by the consierge at a plush hotel without him looking down his nose at you. To be able to drop the wife off at work without making her wince and then drive home like you're about to shat your pants.
I think sometimes people convince themselves that the money they've spent on mods is always a step towards perfection. Sometimes they aren't and you make it worse. I praise Dave for trying both sides and evaluating as he sees it.
that was brilliant mike!
And at qd, sorry to hear the honeymoon period was over so fast, but I'm glad you've put an impartial write up of your experiences! ;)
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Jay,
I think QD is quoting from the book of wisdom that is Jezza Clarkson 8)
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The ethos of the GTI has always been the same - MKI to MKVI:
To look as normal on Knightsbridge as it does on a pub car park. To have the admiration and respect of the 'cool' and still get the door opened by the consierge at a plush hotel without him looking down his nose at you. To be able to drop the wife off at work without making her wince and then drive home like you're about to shat your pants.
I think sometimes people convince themselves that the money they've spent on mods is always a step towards perfection. Sometimes they aren't and you make it worse. I praise Dave for trying both sides and evaluating as he sees it.
that was brilliant mike!
And at qd, sorry to hear the honeymoon period was over so fast, but I'm glad you've put an impartial write up of your experiences! ;)
Very True Mike. But ETTO.
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The ethos of the GTI has always been the same - MKI to MKVI:
To look as normal on Knightsbridge as it does on a pub car park. To have the admiration and respect of the 'cool' and still get the door opened by the consierge at a plush hotel without him looking down his nose at you. To be able to drop the wife off at work without making her wince and then drive home like you're about to shat your pants.
....Sounds exactly like the script from the Mk5 advertising boys mixed with Jeremy Clarkson. :grin:
Hey, ALL sorts of people do ALL sorts of mods or NOT to their GTI's - There's no wrongs and no rights but only personal/individual preferences.
I think sometimes people convince themselves that the money they've spent on mods is always a step towards perfection. Sometimes they aren't and you make it worse. I praise Dave for trying both sides and evaluating as he sees it.
....No self convincing is needed - For some (me as just one example) the mods do result in a more 'perfect' car. But one man's meat is another man's poison, I think is how the expression goes. Long live both! [and no-one is having a go at Dave for his approach]
ETTO :happy2: 8) :happy2:
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I was talking about the ethos, the car you pick up from the dealers and what you 'buy into'. What you do with it from there is your own take on it.
Jezza (and what of his quote I could remember) summed it up from its birth to date.
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I was talking about the ethos, the car you pick up from the dealers and what you 'buy into'. What you do with it from there is your own take on it.
....And I was referring to it as a car with a long tradition of being modified. Hence our difference.
:happy2:
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My VF engine and transmission mounts are in and I have to say that they do transmit some engine sound through into the cabin, but what a sound - I love it. Not too loud for me and enables you to "feel" the engine more without being OTT. The engine doesn't move at all now and load transmission to the wheels is immediate and crisp. The BSH mounts are virtually a carbon copy of the VF mounts I installed.
This is another great little mod and one I can recommend as long as you like the sound and the other half isn't too worried about it too. :happy2:
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If you tried to rebuild VF mounts with BSH components, your motor will sit funny :laugh: They might have similar appearences, but the similarity stops there.
What does ETTO mean?
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^^^ ETTO = Each to their own :happy2:
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That makes sense. Id say TETO... but that looks funny. :rolleye:
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If you tried to rebuild VF mounts with BSH components, your motor will sit funny :laugh: They might have similar appearences, but the similarity stops there.
What does ETTO mean?
What are the differences Phil?
Do they use a softer or harder compound than the VF ones?
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afaik the BSH ones are a tad harder compound than the VFs...
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a few fair points in this thread and i agree you can go too far with the tuning and spoil the car
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will these mounts be up for sale then? :laugh:
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I might have missed it in this thread, but where can I buy these in the UK? I need a set of mouts within 2 weeks and am choosing between these and the VF mounts.
Ta
Horace
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Pm dubtek on here :happy2:
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Did so. No reply.
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Did so. No reply.
....Try Ben (Dubtek boss) on 01392 811601 (Exeter, Devon).
I don't think BSH offer a lower mount though, unless you count the 3-pronged polythingy aka Torque Arm Insert.
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i think jkm sell the vf engineering ones if you need them quick
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i think jkm sell the vf engineering ones if you need them quick
....Good call. Ask for Kate 0239 263 9933. If they're in stock, she'll get them out to you fast.
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Full BSH mounts kit installed today (engine, transmission and pendulum).
There is definitely that GRrrrrrr noise which I can say for me is OK, I really like it. Under hard acceleration is sounds a bit like a V6. But at idle hmmm I can't say very happy with it, maybe a bit disturbing. Still the mounts have to brake in, so I'm hoping for the best. Also there is some cabin vibration at idle, too, I can feel a bit in the chair, but in the steering wheel. A bit similar to a diesel engine, older model.
The rest absolutely fantastic. I can feel that more power goes to the ground, acceleration is easier and ESP ...how should I say this in English..comes in (intervines) much later than it used to.
I also installed a forge short shifter and man is amazing. coupled with the mounts is just great, changing the gears is mega fast and quick and precise.
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Nice to hear someone else who enjoys the Grrrrrrr!
On the VWR engine mounts (surely very similar indeed to both BSH and VF in resulting sound and vibes transfer) the vibration is very minor indeed on their 'Fast Road' version. You feel it gently at a cold startup and it may be described as just a buzz on the steering wheel. But then you don't feel it once you are underway and also not when everything is running warm, say when idling at traffic lights.
Because aftermarket engine mounts are harder than oem, there is always going to be a trade-off or compromise. Suspension mods follow the same principal, as do many hardware performance mods to the GTI as it's mainly aimed at a broad market which likes its comforts.
However, we've already established that aftermarket engine mounts are not to everybody's taste.
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Yes you are right. Im very curios to see if they indeed break in, and after some mileage on them, if they will loosen a bit.
My only issue in this moment is when idling. But I may get used to it too.
Oh, but I just love how it grrrrr's when I step on it :happy2:
My car has also modded suspension and very, very stiff I can feel any smallest rock/bump in the asphalt, but this does not bother me a bit. For some could be a really problem.
Next week I'll install the LSD and the SouthBend clutch kit, if curios I will let you know how they will work with the mounts.
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My mounts haven't 'settled' - They've been the same from the first few yards. Vibes seem to be more evident on very cold days but not once on the move.
You may hear slightly different sounds from the engine bay on different days too. I hear my intake when under throttle and also gears occasionally. I love it all and wish I'd done them ages ago.
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I have VF Engineering engine mount (upper mount and lower torque arm) on my A3 for one year (about 20 000 km).
At first, I was a bit disturbed by increased noise and vibrations and didn't know if I would keep them. :confused:
Even more because, stock my car was very quiet.
But after a few km they break in and I get used to them and then just enjoyed the best.
The car feels stiffer.
The steering is more responsive.
There is more feedback in the steeringwheel, or rather a better feeling of the front axle.
The car feels sharper, more alive.
Braking and acceleration are also more direct.
The engine noise is sportier.
And now, I don't notice the increased noise anymore , even during very long trip (1100km one way) But know when I'm riding at 200km/h on the highway I don't get bored any more. :indifferent:
I have the feeling I'm driving a car at 200km/h, and not being sit in an armchair listening to a sweet music watching cars going backwards.
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I've had a set of BSH top engine mounts for a while and have been a little dubious about fitting them, but the more I read the more I think they will suit me and my driving style! :party:
It's a toughie as I'm quite freakish about rattles and squeeks in the cabin but love the noise of my intake and exhaust...... :chicken:
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if u lived closer u could hear my VWR race ones :laugh:
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touch call nath, for me dogbone mount is enough for me on the roc, i think quality dave's comments on mounts was a good review, thye are not for everyone
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the best thing is the side mounts are an easy fit , so you can remove if not happy, just fit them Nathan :happy2: can always revert
lower mount however is not ......
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Nath, you need a ride in mine or someone else with engine mounts.
It would be wrong and misleading to say that you won't hear other noises, squeaks etc, than the glorious Grrrrrrr! - It IS a compromise but knowing how much you enjoy an exhaust sound, I think you'll like it and will accept the other squeaks.
As Laurent posted, the benefits in feeling what's going on and the direct taut and tactile feel is well worth it. I guess the main question might be how your family react to the change.
Also I would advise fitting the VWR Lower Mount (Fast Road version to better match the BSH side mounts) instead of the BSH poly insert. It's the side mounts which transfer the soundz but the lower mount which gets the power etc down.
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touch call nath, for me dogbone mount is enough for me on the roc, i think quality dave's comments on mounts was a good review, thye are not for everyone
100% not for everyone but if u like to hear your car they are awesome but if u r a girl dont fit em :pomppomp:
as public enemy would say
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i still have mine to fit . what happens if i remove the battery . will my revo be gone ? should i turn it off on my select switch ? then turn it back on ?
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i still have mine to fit . what happens if i remove the battery . will my revo be gone ? should i turn it off on my select switch ? then turn it back on ?
yes just put the switch in
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sweet another thing to do this weekend
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Family aren't a consideration RR as my car is not for them! :evilgrin:
I was planning to get the VWR to fit the lower engine mount at the same time! :wink:
Will go fast road though as I haven't got as many screws quite as loose as Mat! :rolleye: :grin: :wink:
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:P My wife says its not that bad at all with the new engine mount on
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sweet another thing to do this weekend
Gilly,
May have one of the spacer nuts i used to fit the Charcoal can in place with the BSH mount if you want it.
D
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trying to picture it ! but yeh any help sounds good .
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^^^^ one of the above
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Sits between the CC and the mount bolt.
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yeh sounds good i dont remember seeing 1 in the kit
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yeh sounds good i dont remember seeing 1 in the kit
There isn't one US cars don't use the CC, I came up with it to allow the secure fitment of the CC, and keeping it looking OEM.
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yeh sounds good i dont remember seeing 1 in the kit
There isn't one US cars don't use the CC, I came up with it to allow the secure fitment of the CC, and keeping it looking OEM.
Is there one of those with mine QD?
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yeh sounds good i dont remember seeing 1 in the kit
There isn't one US cars don't use the CC, I came up with it to allow the secure fitment of the CC, and keeping it looking OEM.
Is there one of those with mine QD?
Yes already in there........................
Open the box Taff!
:popcornsoda:
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yeh sounds good i dont remember seeing 1 in the kit
There isn't one US cars don't use the CC, I came up with it to allow the secure fitment of the CC, and keeping it looking OEM.
Is there one of those with mine QD?
Yes already in there........................
Open the box Taff!
:popcornsoda:
Haven't got around to that part yet! :rolleye:
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stoke .
did you fit the std bolt and the spacer ?
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stoke .
did you fit the std bolt and the spacer ?
the std bolt with the stud on top,and the spacer screwed onto the stud.
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so wanna off load the spacer then
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so wanna off load the spacer then
Got one in the garage somewhere, off tomorrow, so will search it out for next weekend.
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spot on :)
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We now have a spacer we will begin including in all kits shipped to Europe starting next month, we have sent Dub Tek a few of them in a recent order.
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We now have a spacer we will begin including in all kits shipped to Europe starting next month, we have sent Dub Tek a few of them in a recent order.
I had patented that fix............................
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Hmm, my mounts are commin from the states, guess I'll need a spacer too? :(
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Hmm, my mounts are commin from the states, guess I'll need a spacer too? :(
I emailed them and they said the Tsi version will be better?
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Hmm, my mounts are commin from the states, guess I'll need a spacer too? :(
I emailed them and they said the Tsi version will be better?
Can anyone shed any light?
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no idea . just fit a spacer if needed . takes about 30 secs to do
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Hmm, my mounts are commin from the states, guess I'll need a spacer too? :(
I emailed them and they said the Tsi version will be better?
If it doesn't come with a spacer, send me a pm and I will send a spare I have.
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Hmm, my mounts are commin from the states, guess I'll need a spacer too? :(
I emailed them and they said the Tsi version will be better?
If it doesn't come with a spacer, send me a pm and I will send a spare I have.
much appreciated!
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hey guys, i have these mounts too and must give dave a big congrats for the wonderful info in this thread. :congrats:
i ran into the same problems regarding fitment with the charcoal canister. a few emails back and forth with phil @ bsh about how to solve the issues and he finally directed me here.
dave, just wondering if you ever got a pic of the "stay" you manufactured to connect the canister to the fender strap?
also wondering if you remember the length of the "stud connector" that you used? i've been having the most ridiculous time trying to find these but finally had some luck with a fastener specialist, though the smallest they had was 20mm and i'm not sure whether it is the right size...
cheers,
steve
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hey guys, i have these mounts too and must give dave a big congrats for the wonderful info in this thread. :congrats:
i ran into the same problems regarding fitment with the charcoal canister. a few emails back and forth with phil @ bsh about how to solve the issues and he finally directed me here.
dave, just wondering if you ever got a pic of the "stay" you manufactured to connect the canister to the fender strap?
also wondering if you remember the length of the "stud connector" that you used? i've been having the most ridiculous time trying to find these but finally had some luck with a fastener specialist, though the smallest they had was 20mm and i'm not sure whether it is the right size...
cheers,
steve
hey guys, i have these mounts too and must give dave a big congrats for the wonderful info in this thread. :congrats:
i ran into the same problems regarding fitment with the charcoal canister. a few emails back and forth with phil @ bsh about how to solve the issues and he finally directed me here.
dave, just wondering if you ever got a pic of the "stay" you manufactured to connect the canister to the fender strap?
also wondering if you remember the length of the "stud connector" that you used? i've been having the most ridiculous time trying to find these but finally had some luck with a fastener specialist, though the smallest they had was 20mm and i'm not sure whether it is the right size...
cheers,
steve
Steve,
the 20mm Stud connector should be fine, I think minew as the same. as for the stay. just get the can in place and do a little trial and fit.
Mine was about 3" long I recall. i can't see any pics at work, I am sure there was a picture showing the orientation.
hope that helps.
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thanks dave, the stud connector was my main concern. if that sounds right to you, i'm definitely gonna give it a go installing these tomorrow, sick of looking at them just sitting in the garage. :party:
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thanks dave, the stud connector was my main concern. if that sounds right to you, i'm definitely gonna give it a go installing these tomorrow, sick of looking at them just sitting in the garage. :party:
Any probs give us a shout.
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Loving the mounts! Sounds sportier and has a more mechanical sound / feel. Feels tighter and Id like to say more responsive on the throttle :smiley:
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good stuff . mine have got alot quietier now they have a few thousand miles on them .
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good stuff . mine have got alot quietier now they have a few thousand miles on them .
....Do you feel happier about them becoming quieter? That would greatly disappoint me.
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defo , they were too loud when new imho .
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good stuff . mine have got alot quietier now they have a few thousand miles on them .
....Do you feel happier about them becoming quieter? That would greatly disappoint me.
me too :( RR do you have the vwr mounts?
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good stuff . mine have got alot quietier now they have a few thousand miles on them .
....Do you feel happier about them becoming quieter? That would greatly disappoint me.
me too :( RR do you have the vwr mounts?
....Indeed I do :happy2:
Review: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6086.0.html
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damn, mrs. reckons house reno's are more important than car mods! now i have to wait another week... :sad1:
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Don't know............. will do soon. The mount has an oil filled bladder inside, so my aim is to slit this, clean it out and have a play...........
Hope I'm not too late - but if your concern is reducing noise, then you do not want to be messing with that. The sole purpose of the 'bladder' is simply to act as a noise damper. The viscous fluid inside it will be 'harmonically tuned' to cancel out noises (and their respective vibrations) at a specific frequency. So if you mess with the contents of the bladder, you may well end up with MORE noise.
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Not done anything about it yet, a touch more noise would be acceptable, not not as mucha s the BSH gave.
a happy medium would be ok. However since the new diff was fitted, all is well, and i am content for now.
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Not done anything about it yet, a touch more noise would be acceptable, not not as mucha s the BSH gave.
a happy medium would be ok.
So have you made any progress on this? Still have the OEM mounts? Don't suppose you took a careful look at the state of the rubber to see for any degridation? Or compare them side by side with brand new OEMs?
This very issue (engine mounts) is sommat I'm now working on. Got a set of new OEMs and will be 'modifying' them with some high grade RTV silicone - just trying to work out how much of the void to fill . . . . But with the silicone modified OEMs, noise increase should be minimal, and any increase should (definately / hopefully :chicken:) be on the same harmonic frequency.
However since the new diff was fitted, all is well, and i am content for now.
Quaiffe? Who did that for you?
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^^^^
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Good to see you back, T_T - It means your health is better :happy2: Are you fighting-fit then? :evilgrin:
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Not done anything about it yet, a touch more noise would be acceptable, not not as mucha s the BSH gave.
a happy medium would be ok.
So have you made any progress on this? Still have the OEM mounts? Don't suppose you took a careful look at the state of the rubber to see for any degridation? Or compare them side by side with brand new OEMs?
This very issue (engine mounts) is sommat I'm now working on. Got a set of new OEMs and will be 'modifying' them with some high grade RTV silicone - just trying to work out how much of the void to fill . . . . But with the silicone modified OEMs, noise increase should be minimal, and any increase should (definately / hopefully :chicken:) be on the same harmonic frequency.
However since the new diff was fitted, all is well, and i am content for now.
Quaiffe? Who did that for you?
That is exactly what i am looking to do. I have new mounts fitted at the moment (warranty), and all is well. I had a Quaife diff fitted about 10k miles ago, which started playing up (clunking when moving off). Quaife have not saeen one like it, and have replaced it under the lifetime warranty, they also flushed the box out and inspected it for damage, with nothing found.
All is good now, the car is so much better to drive now, with no clunking, and a diff that is behaving itself.