All Things Mk5 > Performance Modifications
tte420 or lo400 or mdx507 or TurboZentrum EFR6758 or something else??
Paradox1:
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 02:34:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 01:43:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 12:58:28 pm ---When I had a VR6 turbo, guys using EFRs in the states were seeing a higher rate of failure compared to the tried and test Garretts. So I stuck with ye ol fashioned GT35R!
Anyway, would the TTE420 be a good option to improve spool and power (from the same PSI) over a standard K04? I don't want to push for 400+hp because it gets expensive, but wouldn't mind running Stage 2 eddy power but with a better, sturdier turbo that standard and improve spool up.
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I saw Niki post on FB saying that with stage 2 setup and the right fueling additions the TTE420 makes 400 easy.
No doubt that the turbo is superior to most others on the market, maybe because its been tried and tested more than the other hybrids. Shame about the cost though lol
I agree. 400 should be more than enough unless your chasing figures or want an absolute animal.
Has anyone is a stage 2 k04 raced a tte420 to see if the cost is worth the hassle?
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Good to know, cheers!
I think a replacement KO4 is a grand +VAT from the dealer (I wouldn't entertain s/hand or rebuilt personally), so if going down that route, I'm already £1200 in. Might as well throw another £600 in and get a much better snail!
I doubt there would be a huge amount of difference between the two when rolling into boost from say, 3rd upwards. I only say that because I've had a rolling race with a Stage 2+ Eddie (mine's stage 1) and the difference wasn't great. Talking edging away rather than pulling away. Then again, unless something stomps off like I've hit the brakes, I always class that as edging away :grin:
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I agree, some people seem to confused kicking another cars arse with only just passing them lol
im in a simular situation, I have broken k04 that needs a rebuild. I guess now would be the time to go for a hybrid I suppose but im struggling to justify the cost. i mean 900 or so to rebiuild my broken k04 into a hybrid is pretty much brand new turbo money.
I think just getting the k04 build and fitted + a few gallons of meth and i should be grinning for a while :driver: :driver:
pudding:
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 02:53:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 02:34:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 01:43:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 12:58:28 pm ---When I had a VR6 turbo, guys using EFRs in the states were seeing a higher rate of failure compared to the tried and test Garretts. So I stuck with ye ol fashioned GT35R!
Anyway, would the TTE420 be a good option to improve spool and power (from the same PSI) over a standard K04? I don't want to push for 400+hp because it gets expensive, but wouldn't mind running Stage 2 eddy power but with a better, sturdier turbo that standard and improve spool up.
--- End quote ---
I saw Niki post on FB saying that with stage 2 setup and the right fueling additions the TTE420 makes 400 easy.
No doubt that the turbo is superior to most others on the market, maybe because its been tried and tested more than the other hybrids. Shame about the cost though lol
I agree. 400 should be more than enough unless your chasing figures or want an absolute animal.
Has anyone is a stage 2 k04 raced a tte420 to see if the cost is worth the hassle?
--- End quote ---
Good to know, cheers!
I think a replacement KO4 is a grand +VAT from the dealer (I wouldn't entertain s/hand or rebuilt personally), so if going down that route, I'm already £1200 in. Might as well throw another £600 in and get a much better snail!
I doubt there would be a huge amount of difference between the two when rolling into boost from say, 3rd upwards. I only say that because I've had a rolling race with a Stage 2+ Eddie (mine's stage 1) and the difference wasn't great. Talking edging away rather than pulling away. Then again, unless something stomps off like I've hit the brakes, I always class that as edging away :grin:
--- End quote ---
I agree, some people seem to confused kicking another cars arse with only just passing them lol
im in a simular situation, I have broken k04 that needs a rebuild. I guess now would be the time to go for a hybrid I suppose but im struggling to justify the cost. i mean 900 or so to rebiuild my broken k04 into a hybrid is pretty much brand new turbo money.
I think just getting the k04 build and fitted + a few gallons of meth and i should be grinning for a while :driver: :driver:
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Yeah I read all the time about X 'spanking' Y, or 'handed him his arse'..... but in reality, it's probably a 3 or 4 car length pull away over 2 miles :grin:
Where you would see a TT420 properly beat a Stage 2 K04 is from a stand still, and the TTE was DSG and 4WD and the K04 a FWD manual :smiley:
£900 sounds Beach Buggy Turbo money.... I hear they're pretty good, but it's too early to tell with these new companies. We know for a fact an OEM K04 can put in at least 100K miles at standard boost, and then it seems (from the facebook group at least) they wear out super quick from there once you Stage 2+ it!! I guess we don't know how many miles BBTs, TTEs and other reman'd turbos last? I'm in it for life span personally. These engines can do 150-200K easily if looked after. The turbos won't though, so I want to put a proper good one in and forget it.
Lol, reminds of that line from Aliens....."Stop ya grinning and drop ya linen" :grin:
Orc:
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 01:43:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 12:58:28 pm ---When I had a VR6 turbo, guys using EFRs in the states were seeing a higher rate of failure compared to the tried and test Garretts. So I stuck with ye ol fashioned GT35R!
Anyway, would the TTE420 be a good option to improve spool and power (from the same PSI) over a standard K04? I don't want to push for 400+hp because it gets expensive, but wouldn't mind running Stage 2 eddy power but with a better, sturdier turbo that standard and improve spool up.
--- End quote ---
I saw Niki post on FB saying that with stage 2 setup and the right fueling additions the TTE420 makes 400 easy.
I made 462 on the tte420 with all our efforts working with niki!!
No doubt that the turbo is superior to most others on the market, maybe because its been tried and tested more than the other hybrids. Shame about the cost though lol
I agree. 400 should be more than enough unless your chasing figures or want an absolute animal.
Has anyone is a stage 2 k04 raced a tte420 to see if the cost is worth the hassle?
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Paradox1:
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 03:41:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 02:53:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 02:34:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Paradox1 on November 22, 2016, 01:43:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on November 22, 2016, 12:58:28 pm ---When I had a VR6 turbo, guys using EFRs in the states were seeing a higher rate of failure compared to the tried and test Garretts. So I stuck with ye ol fashioned GT35R!
Anyway, would the TTE420 be a good option to improve spool and power (from the same PSI) over a standard K04? I don't want to push for 400+hp because it gets expensive, but wouldn't mind running Stage 2 eddy power but with a better, sturdier turbo that standard and improve spool up.
--- End quote ---
I saw Niki post on FB saying that with stage 2 setup and the right fueling additions the TTE420 makes 400 easy.
No doubt that the turbo is superior to most others on the market, maybe because its been tried and tested more than the other hybrids. Shame about the cost though lol
I agree. 400 should be more than enough unless your chasing figures or want an absolute animal.
Has anyone is a stage 2 k04 raced a tte420 to see if the cost is worth the hassle?
--- End quote ---
Good to know, cheers!
I think a replacement KO4 is a grand +VAT from the dealer (I wouldn't entertain s/hand or rebuilt personally), so if going down that route, I'm already £1200 in. Might as well throw another £600 in and get a much better snail!
I doubt there would be a huge amount of difference between the two when rolling into boost from say, 3rd upwards. I only say that because I've had a rolling race with a Stage 2+ Eddie (mine's stage 1) and the difference wasn't great. Talking edging away rather than pulling away. Then again, unless something stomps off like I've hit the brakes, I always class that as edging away :grin:
--- End quote ---
I agree, some people seem to confused kicking another cars arse with only just passing them lol
im in a simular situation, I have broken k04 that needs a rebuild. I guess now would be the time to go for a hybrid I suppose but im struggling to justify the cost. i mean 900 or so to rebiuild my broken k04 into a hybrid is pretty much brand new turbo money.
I think just getting the k04 build and fitted + a few gallons of meth and i should be grinning for a while :driver: :driver:
--- End quote ---
Yeah I read all the time about X 'spanking' Y, or 'handed him his arse'..... but in reality, it's probably a 3 or 4 car length pull away over 2 miles :grin:
Where you would see a TT420 properly beat a Stage 2 K04 is from a stand still, and the TTE was DSG and 4WD and the K04 a FWD manual :smiley:
£900 sounds Beach Buggy Turbo money.... I hear they're pretty good, but it's too early to tell with these new companies. We know for a fact an OEM K04 can put in at least 100K miles at standard boost, and then it seems (from the facebook group at least) they wear out super quick from there once you Stage 2+ it!! I guess we don't know how many miles BBTs, TTEs and other reman'd turbos last? I'm in it for life span personally. These engines can do 150-200K easily if looked after. The turbos won't though, so I want to put a proper good one in and forget it.
Lol, reminds of that line from Aliens....."Stop ya grinning and drop ya linen" :grin:
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Not sure on you guys but I think if you are looking at hybrid turbos running more power than the other(TTE420) then you would need to consider Rods and pistons.
Maybe this is where the other hybrid turbos come into play.
Nobody wants to pay 1800 for a TTE420 and run it and 400bhp and miss out on the extra 40-60bhp because the engine may let go.
@Orc - 462 is decent figures... makes the tte480 seem pointless lol
How long did Niki take to map your car?
Orc:
My TTE480 didn't run 480 though when we were testing and what it maxed out at. The comparison between the 2 turbos were chalk and cheese. Don't get caught up in figures as thats not real time driving. My car was set for purely track so we backed it down to a safe 1.6 bar but generally i ran over 500hp with the 480. Its all down to the spec on your engine, and i can tell you the power in the tfsi engines is in the head work. Im building another development car now so will be almost replicating the head work on this one to the stage 4. Niki being a good mate of mine and souly being a track car i just leave it with him until he finishes it. The 420 took around 3 weeks but i left the 480 with him for around 5-6 weeks but only because i was developing various things along the way. The torque delivery is key and thats what it was built for. So the 420 was backed down to 442 for track and the 480 was down to 470 for track. Both turbos exceeded the figures.
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