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What remap would you recommend? Mk5 gti DSG

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Madone:

--- Quote from: GrayMK5GTI on January 07, 2017, 12:01:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Madone on January 07, 2017, 09:11:15 am ---R-tech don't do switchable on stage 2+, I didn't get it or even offered it, I asked and was told they don't do it.

100% do, but may only be on ECUs which accept it. My bro-in-law had it on his 2+ DSG 6R. 

This whole thing about R-tech being custom and tailored to your car is great PR for them, but such a urban myth. You get about 3 hours on the dyno (they do 3 cars a day), which essentially entails them loading their 'generic map' then tweaking it to squeeze your car, not for drivability, but for max power. If you watch them tune there is zero part throttle tuning, you just get a series of full throttle runs to the limiter, that's not custom (I think I counted 5 runs total for my car) that's extracting every ounce from your car before the hardware you have can't do any more. Most of that 3 hours is taken with loading changes into the ecu.

the base map has had hours of R&D for the part-throttle and load-maps, there is no need to tweak them - that would take forever on each individual load & throttle position. Never hear of anyone complain about part-throttle drivability, as it's perfect  :happy2: The custom element of a map is to tailor the map to the specific mods, the difference between a cat back and just a DP do not make any difference at part-throttle

They are priced well and know their stuff but to say they are custom maps is only partly true at best. I have had both RTech, revo, Superchips and APR maps, I know APR and Revo spend huge amounts of time and money on their maps for feel and drive ability, part and full throttle. For me revo was the best feeling map. As pudding said, too many people chase headline numbers.

R-Tech typically aim for the best results which are possible with the hardware, as that's what 99% of people want. If you say, cap torque and X xxlb/ft (which people do for clutches) then they do it

Horses for courses, loads of people like rtech and they know their stuff, but not sure half of the people even try anything else as they just get told to 'go to rtech' ! No one can tune the TFSI. Revo drove better in my humble opinion  :laugh:

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Revo K04 map (I've driven) is mighty aggressive (which is fun), but the map boosts straight through the K04 surge point (making cho-cho noise with intake) which to me smacks of poor development as others (APR IIRC) and R-Tech map round it and offer a smoother drive. With any custom map, you get in what you get out. If you ask for xx you get xx, you get out of a custom map, with whatever you put in don't ask. . . Don't get.

R-Tech also give you a load of extras for free which are either not available with other maps, or are chargeable.

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the base map has had hours of R&D for the part-throttle and load-maps, there is no need to tweak them - that would take forever on each individual load & throttle position. Never hear of anyone complain about part-throttle drivability, as it's perfect  :happy2: The custom element of a map is to tailor the map to the specific mods, the difference between a cat back and just a DP do not make any difference at part-throttle

not sure why the only bit that needs and is custom is the tailoring of hardware mods for max power and WOT, surely different mods will have different impact on areas other than full throttle and max power ?. It can't be that a generic map works, as you put it, perfectly for all ALL mods in every area apart from full throttle ?, how does that work ?.  :smiley:

for example, the runner flaps are for low end torque (and are often removed), different intakes give different part throttle characteristics ?

pudding:

--- Quote from: Madone on January 07, 2017, 09:11:15 am ---For me revo was the best feeling map. As pudding said, too many people chase headline numbers.
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+1

I understand what goes into mapping but Revo have drivability totally nailed.  And the fact their tunes make 10-20hp less than everyone elses says a lot really.  They respect the factory component protection routines.  Other tuners ignore it and spin the sh*t out of the turbo to make everyone on Facebook happy.

Don't get me wrong, I respect R-Tech. They know their onions with tuning but Revo just feels the best on a day to day basis as you say.

bonelorry:
Just to add my 2 penneth, I went with my car today to R-Tech and found that it already had a Remap fitted of an unknown origin.

I actually came away with 20BHP Less than what I went in with but with a Map that was much safer, Also came away with a Map that offered far more drive-ability! Partial Throttle has improved greatly. Very happy indeed and today was my 4th visit to R-Tech on 4 different cars.

I appreciate the market for other tuners and there needs to be variety as different people like different things and I wont knock other maps just because they are not to my taste, I have driven TFSI's with other brands of Software fitted and for me ever since taking my first Golf Edition 30 to R-Tech and been very impressed with the results I have remained loyal to them ever since.

After my car was road tested and further logging was done the Map was then altered a couple of times to get around the K04 Surge Point.

I drove home feeling very valued and that I had received excellent service, Also that I was appreciated as a customer and what I wanted was listened to and reflected in the end result.

pudding:
That's the benefit of a custom tune, versus a generic flash.  There is some wriggle room after the initial mapping to tweak things.  The car runs a lot hotter in a dyno cell than it does on the road, so the N75 map invariably needs a tweak after a road test.  Nobody likes that N75 overshoot being pulled back aggressively feeling.  It's an annoying little fecker to control.  Open it too gently and it feels flat, open it too aggressively and it over boosts. 

But that's where Revo score in my experience. There isn't any of that. It just gets on with it and works like the factory map, only faster.  Mine didn't surge with Revo.

So long as you don't get the linear throttle map, then it should feel factory responsive off boost.  The part throttle stuff tunes itself.  Injector on time is proportional to MAF flow and messing with the timing is not generally a good idea for safety margin reasons.  The ECU does half the work for the tuners out of the box.  It's the WOT conditions they 'custom' tune.

bonelorry:

--- Quote from: Pudding on January 07, 2017, 04:50:38 pm ---So long as you don't get the linear throttle map, then it should feel factory responsive off boost.

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I opted not to go for the Linear Pedal Map  :happy2:

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