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fuscobal:
In about 1 month I will be heading for Nurburgring so I need some pads to really handle it. I will be staying there for 4 days and probably do some 15 laps wich means approx. 300kms. Now I have the DS2500s but they are of light track use and can get fade while stopping from high speed like on the mighty ring. From what I read, from Ferodo's lineup, the only pads made for R32/S3 caliper would be DS2500 and DS1.11 (these are made on special order of min 5 sets so the dealer might not want to order them if he doesn't have enough demand). Another pad getting rave review would be the Carbone Lorraine RC5, 6 and 8. These are sintered pads that offer incredible amount of grip and what's the most important have constant bite from cold to extreme temperatures ( I can go with these from home to the ring but hopefully police won't stop me for the noise :) ). They also seem to induce very low judder on the rottors wich is also good but they squeal pretty bad and wear rotors faster of-course. Unfortunately they are not made for R32/S3 caliper, only for standard GTI caliper. Hawk HPS seem to be very bad, worse than DS2500 and HP+ on par with DS2500 but with more dust. Some other highly regarded pads would be the Carbotech XP8, 10, 12 and 16 wich are all made for R32 caliper. Here's a link where they give rankings for dust, noise and bite >

http://www.essexparts.com/catalogsea...e_add_to_cart=

So, the pad must meet the following >

- High to very high friction coefficient (not the highest but something considerably better than DS2500)
- Dust > doesn't matter
- Noise > can squeal a little but not like a train
- Good cold bite
- Decent pad wear and rotor wear (I would be happy if the pads will last min 500km of track use but the discs much last much longer since I use them on the street)

PS : As u can see in the sig, discs are Tarox F2000

Any other recommendations of a pad to meet my demands ?

DaveB@Vagbremtechnic:
Thats pretty much the pad that the manufacturers have been trying to make for 30 years since asbestos was banned !!!!!

You need to make compomises somewhere....

Alternatively stick some normal road pads for the Journey and then swap them out for M1166's at the track. M1166 is an old touring car compound before they went to F5 through to F1, they're cheaper than DS2500 wont stop you from cold, will squeal like a pig, will last many laps and stop you amazingly well. I think the part number is MDB2604M1166 google that and you'll find a supplier - if you struggle I can get them. Budget on under £100

Forgot to PM you  sorry mate :ashamed:   the Red S3 rears are £250

fuscobal:
Cool, the price seem fair. Please send me the paypal and details on PM because I want them :)

Dave, do you think Carbotech XP10 for example would be too much if I carefully drive from Home to Nurburgring (about 2000kms) ? They advise them as not too noisy and they also say the dust won't affect the rims. It's ok to wear faster. Last year I've been with the same brakes (OEM discs instead of Tarox) and DS2500 pads. After 100kms of use, the pads were like new !

DaveB@Vagbremtechnic:
I've not heard anybody talking about the Carbotech XP10  - if they are Carbon Metallic becasue of the way that the pad interacts with the disc then you will contaminate the discs and they will not work with non CM pads in the future so you need a set of rotors for CM pads and a set of rotors for Non CM pads.

Again I'd strongly reccomend not going for a compromise setup  - we recently did some very strong brakes on a Bora over on the uk-mkivs forum, the quality of the brakes and the fact that 15-20 laps at a time were available with the brakes getting better made a huge difference as to how the driver was progressing, when you can string 10 laps or more together at a time you get in the groove and get faster. If you are stopping every 4-5 laps for your OEM brakes/DS pads to get cool then thats the weakest link.

On the back of the fact they could get 10-20 laps in without fade, three guys clubbed together to buy a track car  - the build is a good read.

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/330392.aspx?PageIndex=1

All the problems and compromises you wish to make are because you wish to use the pads on the road..... noise/dust/operating temperature....swap the pads trackside and have a better trackday - you could do it in 25 minutes per corner with practise!!!

fuscobal:
Here's the pads >

http://www.ctbrakes.com/pads.asp?Make=Volkswagen&Model=Golf_R32

Hre's the general description >

http://www.ctbrakes.com/faqs.asp#compounds1

"Carbotechâ„¢ XP10â„¢ (1110â„¢)
When Carbotech unleashed the XP10™ to the general public, and it was an instant success, gathering multiple regional, divisional, and national championships. The XP10™ is a very high initial bite friction material, with a coefficient of friction and rotor friendliness unmatched in the industry. Fade resistance is in excess of 1650°F. Due to the high level of friction and bite, this material is recommended for cars weighing around 2,000lbs or more, not including formula cars and cars with brake bias bars weighing less than 2,000lbs. This is the preferred compound for the front of Spec Miata racers, SSC,SSB, T3, SRF, ITS, ITE, H1,H2, H3, H4, 944 Cup, ST, GS, Factory Five Cobra’s and many more Grand-Am/ALMS/SCCA/NASA classes. XP10™ is also ideal for advanced/instructor level HPDE drivers. XP10™ still maintains the highly praised release and excellent modulation, rotor friendliness, and 100% non-corrosive dust that have made all Carbotech compounds so successful. XP10™ is not recommended as a daily-driven street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise. "

"2. Do I have to resurface (turn) the rotors, or get new rotors?
If you have had another manufacturers brake pads on those same rotors; then you will ABSOLUTELY have to replace or resurface (turn) those rotors before installing the Carbotech brake pads.

If the rotors and drums are in relatively good condition, meaning they are smooth, flat,  with no visible cracks, deep scoring, distorted, and with no other visible damage; and you have ONLY had Carbotech brake pads on them, then they do not have to be resurfaced or replaced "


I would swap the pads at the track (my mechanic will also be with me there) but I have to lift the car and I don't know if the OEM skinny elevator is good for the task !

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