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Clarky:
I have to ask about the turret tops as i too have adjustable top mounts that are a total sh*t to get close to..i can see there was the gentle kiss of an angle grinder involved...but how did you do it and is there any worry about taking rigidity away from the top of the strut? My settings are very track focussed and aggressive for a car that spends 90% of its time on the road and if i could make quicker adjustments than taking it to my mates garage every time its gonna go track/road and back that would be a good thing. I did look at doing it when i fitted the top mounts but couldn't find anyone who had done it and didn't want to get too crazy with the grinder myself...any help or advise is very welcome!

Clarkj93:

--- Quote from: Clarky on May 02, 2023, 03:26:26 pm ---I have to ask about the turret tops as i too have adjustable top mounts that are a total sh*t to get close to..i can see there was the gentle kiss of an angle grinder involved...but how did you do it and is there any worry about taking rigidity away from the top of the strut? My settings are very track focussed and aggressive for a car that spends 90% of its time on the road and if i could make quicker adjustments than taking it to my mates garage every time its gonna go track/road and back that would be a good thing. I did look at doing it when i fitted the top mounts but couldn't find anyone who had done it and didn't want to get too crazy with the grinder myself...any help or advise is very welcome!

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Yeah so entire damper out and wipers and wiper panel off and cover everything in sight as best you can - engine bay, wings, windscreen and then cut with a grinder. It was a bit fiddly to get the grinder in that tight spot but did it eventually. I did make a hell of a mess in doing it which is why I say cover everything and not just the engine bay like I did.

Nah should not effect rigidity at all as we are not changing how or where the damper is mounted or how one side of the chassis is connected to the other side.

Just bare in mind also that changing camber settings on the fly will also effect toe settings and vice versa.

pudding:
Yeah could be an oversight with the tyres as you say. I can see how that could be confused with those particular tyres though as the cuts aren't your usual arrow head pattern. Normally with 45 degree water dispersing cuts, you want the trailing edge pointing to the back of the car, if that makes sense, to force water out the sides rather than fling it into the middle of the wheel arch.

I would say they should have fitted them with the row of smaller cuts on the inboard side, but I'm no track tyre expert.  Looking at the inboard camber wear, they had them reversed as you say  :grin:

'Finessing' the turret tops with a grinder won't affect rigidity, although if that does concern you, stick a strut brace across em'  :happy2:  I'm sure I've seen one that anchors in 3 places. Both turret tops and the firewall, which is ideal.

I've seen Darkside using shimable wishbones which seems really trick and simple.  They just shove in say, 15mm shims to get 2.5-3 degrees, then trim the toe accordingly and they're off. And simply take them out for road duties. The shims being a fixed length, makes it super quick, easy and consistent.  Just thinking that may be easier than adjusting top mounts, especially if you do it regularly switching from road to track.

Have you thought about some basic DIY alignment tools? You don't always need an expensive 4 wheel alignment setup each time if only the front is changing.

Another thing worthy of consideration when running tyres like that is stitch welding the chassis rails. Did you see Darkside's video of their track MK5 that has the MK6 bodykit? After a few sessions with semi slicks, he mentioned the spot welds on the chassis legs were pulling apart  :surprised:

That was actually a thing back in my Corrado days where we used to stitch weld the front subframes and engine mount cups for the same reason.
 

Clarkj93:
Yeah they do look pretty useless in the wet with the water being pulled in? :grin:

Shim-able wishbones sounds awesome, I did have a quick google but cannot find any pics of real world examples. I imagine its not going to be something that is easily made by a weekend diy-er.

Wow did not think you could do that kind of wear unless you were running big fat slicks and aero like a TCR car does.

pudding:
Yeah they showed them in one of their videos, I couldn't tell you which one though  :grin:  I saw that and though what an epic idea. I think they bought them in. They didn't mention it being something they made at least. I think they switched to the mega bucks Verkline subframes and arms after that.

I also watched one of REPerformance's videos recently where Ryan took his MK5 down to their dyno as it's a track certified one. Apparently a lot of folk were complaining his MK5 is too fast, so must be cheating by running more power  :grin:  Sore losers  :grin:

Anyway, yeah the forces have to go somewhere when running track suspension and tyres....and when everything else stops breaking, the bodyshell itself then takes the brunt  :grin:

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