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RedRobin:
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Having driven both 6-speed and 7-speed S-tronic boxes I don't feel the 7-speed is of much extra benefit. In practice I hardly used 7th, but I mostly drive a S-tronic/DSG in Manual mode.

RedRobin:
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Unfortunately I reckon it's extremely doubtful that Audi would release such an exciting looking car as in those concept pics. It's simply not Audi's typical market, especially for diseasal-minded people. :sad1:

Richn83:
Robin is it the Audi longitudinal 7 spd box youve driven or the transverse dry clutch 7 speed?  They are very different units, the audi longitudinal  still uses the wet clutch pack, but with significantly increased clutch plates for a smoother pickup, it also separates the gear and clutch reservoirs to decrease servicing and cross contamination and can deal with a hell of a lot more torque.

And unfortunately have to agree with you re the sporty diesel that would be well outside of ingolstadts comfort zone, shame through as without all the livery that would be one good looking car outside inside and under the bonnet.  It does show the pedigree for the 2.0 220bhp 4WD diesel that was int he MK7 article, including some further details on the torque figures, an 6.6 0-62 time with say combined cycle 30-40 mpg would be very interesting.  Then they just need to extend the rev range and make it sound better and they almost have a car on their hands  :P

RedRobin:

--- Quote from: Richn83 on July 28, 2010, 01:59:06 pm ---
Robin is it the Audi longitudinal 7 spd box youve driven or the transverse dry clutch 7 speed?  They are very different units, the audi longitudinal  still uses the wet clutch pack, but with significantly increased clutch plates for a smoother pickup, it also separates the gear and clutch reservoirs to decrease servicing and cross contamination and can deal with a hell of a lot more torque.


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....S4 Avant longitudinal. Supercharged quattro with sports diff option  :jumpmove:

Is the Mk6 GTI also 7-speed? I've forgotten. If driving in Manual mode I really don't see the need for a 7th gear but perhaps that's just my driving style. If using 'Auto' D-mode I suppose it improves fuel economy a fraction. The average car buyer is obsessed with fuel economy - I prefer fast performance and driving enjoyment, otherwise driving can easily become a dull chore A-B syndrome leading to boredom and less awareness and decreased road safety. I don't like comfortably numb (unless played by Pink Floyd).

Richn83:

--- Quote from: RedRobin on July 28, 2010, 02:54:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: Richn83 on July 28, 2010, 01:59:06 pm ---
Robin is it the Audi longitudinal 7 spd box youve driven or the transverse dry clutch 7 speed?  They are very different units, the audi longitudinal  still uses the wet clutch pack, but with significantly increased clutch plates for a smoother pickup, it also separates the gear and clutch reservoirs to decrease servicing and cross contamination and can deal with a hell of a lot more torque.


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....S4 Avant longitudinal. Supercharged quattro with sports diff option  :jumpmove:

Is the Mk6 GTI also 7-speed? I've forgotten. If driving in Manual mode I really don't see the need for a 7th gear but perhaps that's just my driving style. If using 'Auto' D-mode I suppose it improves fuel economy a fraction. The average car buyer is obsessed with fuel economy - I prefer fast performance and driving enjoyment, otherwise driving can easily become a dull chore A-B syndrome leading to boredom and less awareness and decreased road safety. I don't like comfortably numb (unless played by Pink Floyd).

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Nice, bet that was good fun to drive!

No its the same 6 spd, the 7 spd dry clutch cant handle the torque level that the wet clutch can, so unless you go longitudinal you can only get the 6 spd with a bigger engine.

7 speed top gear ratio is 0.62 with a final drive of 4.09
6 speed top gear ratio is 0.71 with a final drive of 4.06 in the DSG GTI

So it would appear that the 7th spd is a massive overdrive gear for motorway cruising, hence you didnt find an advantage in performance terms.

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