All Things Mk5 > Performance Modifications
blue fin vs Shark performance
shark_90:
--- Quote from: Spin on August 13, 2011, 01:04:48 pm ---Shark are holding a dyno day which will include discounted maps on the next bank holiday - 29/08.
Its actually being organised for ASN members but all are welcome,
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While we do have an open day (and thankyou for posting it!) unfortunately some of that is not quite right - it's a general open day (although there will be a couple of cars on the dyno through the day) and it's organised for absolutely everybody and many forums (ASN, here, Briskoda, Ibiza OC amongst a fair few others) will be invited to have a forum stand at the day if they'd like :happy2:
daveangel:
am i losing it or is shark even more expensive than bluefin. assuming you add the £150 for the tool to the remap of £349
??? :rolleye:
PDT:
--- Quote from: shark_90 on August 13, 2011, 09:36:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Weston on August 12, 2011, 09:00:18 am ---I've decided a custom map has to be better than a generic one
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If only that was the case.. a "custom" map written by someone who hasn't got a clue can be much, much worse. But I guess we then get into the custom vs generic map debate in which I struggle to understand exactly what the buying public means by each label.
To me "generic" means written in a car park and increasing a few maps by x%. Custom means a properly developed map written for a particular car. But then if you use the same map as a baseline for another car, that technically makes it "generic" by the definition of the word.
To me, generic means throwing a map at a car and sending it away, often without any testing and almost definitely without any development. Often the people applying these maps don't even know what they're applying, they just buy a file from somewhere and flash it on to a car. Custom means written for the particular modifications on that vehicle, for that vehicle. We don't fall in to either category but offer different developed stages of tune for different levels of modifications, and then a custom option on top. But as some of our customers here will testify, everything can be changed, tweaked and altered to suit.. so I guess that makes it custom again :laugh:
So in summary while I can't agree with your statement entirely, I can understand where you're coming from. I think the key thing is going to reputable tuner rather than A. N. Other Tuning Co. In your case R-Tech have a good reputation and Nick is a nice guy but unfortunately there are many places offering "custom" tuning at x price who aren't quite as good.
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Generic vs Custom is a pretty poinless argument, as Ben has said above its more a case of good vs bad. Theres a place not far from me that offers 'custom' remaps for £150, takes 20mins, rarely reads the original data and just flashes something onto the ECU that has the same/similar hardware and software numbers. Gets his software from a national 'mobile' ecu remapping outfit for £20-£30 a file and claims higher power figures than is possibly achievable. Claims they are not generic but custom as each file is made individually, whoch in a way can be deemed as custom.
But just because its custom makes no difference to the fact it is poor quality software. I recently had a car in tuned by this outfit and it was having an issue with poor power delivery and drivability, odd kickdowns on the auto box etc... I will post what I found a bit later....
This one shows the changes made in a boost map, the highlighted area is all that was altered, anywhere there is a zero means that these cells or 'load sites' were kept standard
the 'injection at part throttle' map was even worse, same principal as the boost map, anything with a zero means no change to that load site.
and then there is the boost limiter map, this should allow some boost at lower rpm and throttle, increasing at peak torque but decreasing at later rpm. think the problem here is clear....
its clear to anyone with a bit of common sense and understanding of numbers that by looking at the first image why the car was sluggish until 50% throttle and would then violently kick down 2 gears and accelerate like crazy, then go into limp mode at 4000rpm with a fault code logged for overboost
still want a custom map that was specially made for your car? :confused:
Janner_Sy:
--- Quote from: daveangel on August 13, 2011, 09:50:07 pm ---am i losing it or is shark even more expensive than bluefin. assuming you add the £150 for the tool to the remap of £349
??? :rolleye:
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One of the worst things you can do is choose a remap based on price. As said i had bluefin and yes it was cheap, but it wasnt cheap when i changed tuner to get the results i wanted, i ended up £450 out of pocket once you took into account the additional stages
Do your research and buy a map that has not only the figures you want (beware of exagerated claims) then look into after sales suport, and search the vag TFSI forums like here and briskoda etc for reviews and experiences both good and bad. Then look at price iMO
Alterntively you could spend thousands on a lovely golf then buy the cheapest nastiest Remap
Weston:
--- Quote from: PDT on August 13, 2011, 09:54:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: shark_90 on August 13, 2011, 09:36:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Weston on August 12, 2011, 09:00:18 am ---I've decided a custom map has to be better than a generic one
--- End quote ---
If only that was the case.. a "custom" map written by someone who hasn't got a clue can be much, much worse. But I guess we then get into the custom vs generic map debate in which I struggle to understand exactly what the buying public means by each label.
To me "generic" means written in a car park and increasing a few maps by x%. Custom means a properly developed map written for a particular car. But then if you use the same map as a baseline for another car, that technically makes it "generic" by the definition of the word.
To me, generic means throwing a map at a car and sending it away, often without any testing and almost definitely without any development. Often the people applying these maps don't even know what they're applying, they just buy a file from somewhere and flash it on to a car. Custom means written for the particular modifications on that vehicle, for that vehicle. We don't fall in to either category but offer different developed stages of tune for different levels of modifications, and then a custom option on top. But as some of our customers here will testify, everything can be changed, tweaked and altered to suit.. so I guess that makes it custom again :laugh:
So in summary while I can't agree with your statement entirely, I can understand where you're coming from. I think the key thing is going to reputable tuner rather than A. N. Other Tuning Co. In your case R-Tech have a good reputation and Nick is a nice guy but unfortunately there are many places offering "custom" tuning at x price who aren't quite as good.
--- End quote ---
Generic vs Custom is a pretty poinless argument, as Ben has said above its more a case of good vs bad. Theres a place not far from me that offers 'custom' remaps for £150, takes 20mins, rarely reads the original data and just flashes something onto the ECU that has the same/similar hardware and software numbers. Gets his software from a national 'mobile' ecu remapping outfit for £20-£30 a file and claims higher power figures than is possibly achievable. Claims they are not generic but custom as each file is made individually, whoch in a way can be deemed as custom.
But just because its custom makes no difference to the fact it is poor quality software. I recently had a car in tuned by this outfit and it was having an issue with poor power delivery and drivability, odd kickdowns on the auto box etc... I will post what I found a bit later....
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I think I meant that I'd prefer a map that's tailored to my car / modifications & needs as oppose to just whacking the tuners Golf GTI map on it. Whether or not I would call it custom doesn't matter. I've heard good things about Nick and as it's within a reasonable distance of me it's my choice. If you were closer PDT I'd be there :happy2:
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