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APR stage 2+ v3.0
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: ukdub on February 03, 2012, 11:48:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 03, 2012, 10:50:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: ukdub on February 03, 2012, 10:42:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: RobH on February 02, 2012, 07:19:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Poverty on February 02, 2012, 07:03:04 pm ---Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
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Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
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I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
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Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
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Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
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I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
ukdub:
--- Quote from: richwig83 on February 03, 2012, 11:58:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: ukdub on February 03, 2012, 11:56:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Poverty on February 03, 2012, 11:54:07 pm ---Another vote for linear maps here, would make track duty alot easier imo. Its something alot of people wanted over on vagoc but no luck!
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I would come back to APR for a linear throttle map :happy2:
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Why? Revo do them too. So do R-tech.
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They havent been too quick to tell me over the last year or so. I will have to ask :happy2:
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:50:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 03, 2012, 11:45:57 pm ---
Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
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they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
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Lmao!
rich83:
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:59:14 pm ---only on the 2.0TFSi though isnt it??
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Possibly. Not 100%
ukdub:
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 12:00:00 am ---
--- Quote from: ukdub on February 03, 2012, 11:48:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 03, 2012, 10:50:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: ukdub on February 03, 2012, 10:42:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: RobH on February 02, 2012, 07:19:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Poverty on February 02, 2012, 07:03:04 pm ---Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
--- End quote ---
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
--- End quote ---
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
--- End quote ---
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
--- End quote ---
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
--- End quote ---
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
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I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
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