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APR stage 2+ v3.0
QD MBE:
Cheap Remaps for Revo Customers..............
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 08:02:36 pm ---For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
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--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 07:22:34 pm ---
Cheap remaps for all will result in all companies becoming a Man in a Van as I think you guys call it over here as opposed to a proper R&D center. It also makes it more difficult for these companies to properly take care of clients when something does go wrong as every quid is tight and the resources for speedy resolutions or even resolutions at all aren't available.
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Genuinely not sure I understand. :confused:
micky 32:
Has the Golf R a bigger KO4 turbo or something, how are they getting 50bhp more than the older engines like in the ED30 , S3 etc
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: DaveB1970 on February 04, 2012, 09:15:11 pm ---I've emailed Simon.
Hopefully he'll be along shortly, I mentioned on the other " let's talk hybrids" thread that Loba only rate their KO4 Hybrid for 380PS, some are claiming that for a stage 2+ OEM KO4!
Refreshing they don't get into the pissing contest others do...
Maybe the powers the same but delivery is different
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It really depends on how they arrive at their ratings. There are sooo many variables across different dyno's, calibrations, supporting hardware, etc. that as a turbo manufacturer its difficult to claim an ultimate power level that everyone can expect to recreate. I assume they tend to stay on the conservative side as we do in order to not disappoint.
We have tons of experience with Garrett/Honeywell and Borg Warner turbos and find that we can typically achieve more than their ratings. We package these up into APR kits and the power responsibility becomes ours at that point leaving the turbo manufacturer without concern for recourse if it isn't achieved.
Exhaust Gas Temperature specs are extremely important to us and we tend to adhere to them more than others so warranty concerns for premature failures tend to become non-existant.
APR is unique to most as we control both ends of the spectrum and won't leave hardware manufacturers that we choose to do business with holding the bag. The clients call us and we suffer the burden of recreating our power figures.
danishmkvgti:
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 07:02:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: danishmkvgti on February 04, 2012, 09:57:04 am ---@ Keith
Seeing here you seem determined to do some good PR, would you possibly reconsider the RMA on my APR RSC with corrosion scars on the tips that your company first told me i would get a replacement part then told me to polish it away :stupid:
Cheers,
Jake
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Could you send me some pics? klucas@goapr.com
Its low carbon US stainless steel so its supposed to be impervious to rust and sometimes I've seen surface corrosion from carbon build up that removes with polishing that isn't technically rusting of the metal itself.
I'll take care of it either way for you. I'm pretty sure I can remove it for you with polish but since its difficult for you to get to me and vice versa, I will consider replacing the rear section for you after I see the pics.
Sorry for the hassle as I'm sure you've sent pics of it before but I don't have access to them from the UK.
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Mail sent, thx again for your time :drinking:
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: QD on February 04, 2012, 09:24:27 pm ---Cheap Remaps for Revo Customers..............
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 08:02:36 pm ---For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
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--- Quote from: Keith@APR on February 04, 2012, 07:22:34 pm ---
Cheap remaps for all will result in all companies becoming a Man in a Van as I think you guys call it over here as opposed to a proper R&D center. It also makes it more difficult for these companies to properly take care of clients when something does go wrong as every quid is tight and the resources for speedy resolutions or even resolutions at all aren't available.
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Genuinely not sure I understand. :confused:
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haha, I see your point.
However, the distinction in this case is that we would expect to not see that business at all as most should be happy with their current choice. We feel our maps are something you buy once and don't have to keep jumping around spending 500 quid a time to find what's best for you (although I'll admit prior to my arrival here some of you didn't feel that way about our products).
Reduced pricing strategy to those who have already spent their hard earned money on a competitor's product in order to help them afford to purchase our brand is a good way to reintroduce ourselves into the market.
Our standard retail pricing will always remain solid as we don't feel the lowest price is a good reason to purchase a product.
On face value, as you've pointed out, it seems to be contradictory but its two different markets. Those who already have a remap shouldn't be coming to see us and those who haven't purchased a remap should be comfortable knowing there is additional quality in APR products to justify the additional price.
Its similar to the same reasons I've offered HeavyD a free remap. It helps APR by having a trusted and experienced enthusiast happy with our products (hopefully) and helps the community make better informed decisions on what to buy.
I don't think I would ever expect someone to pay for mapping twice but if they decide to, I feel like I should help them out.
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