All Things Mk5 > APR Zone
APR stage 2+ v3.0
Teutonic_Tamer:
--- Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 09, 2012, 11:27:22 am ---But thats still £180 more than Jabbasport, £200 more than R-Tech and £200 more than shark performance?, what does the extra £180-200 provide over competitors as I already know Revo are overpriced :P
Looking at sales bumf it looks like they all have similar claims.
Sorry to bang on but im trying to justify to myself (and others possibly) the extra £180-200 over similar software, or are we really just paying for an american "Guy" to eat more burgers and buy a bigger RV?
As it stands software and claims look good but price, no no no
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What a sooooper comment - love it! :drinking:
Teutonic_Tamer:
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 11:34:52 am ---APR spend a lot of money on research, hence why they are usually the first to release code and full turbo kits for new models while the competitors are still trying to get around the encryption!
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Ahhhh . . . the UK version of Superchips then - first to the market - but full of bugs in the code!
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 11:34:52 am ---The best staff in the business cost money,
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And what proof do you have that they are employed by APR???? Zilch!
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 11:34:52 am --- what you are getting with APR is a code that you know has been fully researched, tested and is in safe tolerances of your engine, APR pride themselves on retaining hardware protection on their code so its good for the street and good for the track if you do so.
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And so do all the other tuners - they all make the same claims. Trouble is with the yankie APR code - they have completely different fuel to UK or EU spec fuels, and more importantly, ALL North American ECUs have lean-burn mode disabled. So how the heck can they claim it is safe in - quote - "your engine"??????
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 11:34:52 am ---Who else offers switchability through cruise control at no extra charge? you can have several maps, security lockout, valet mode, anti theft and TBE all through your cruise, most mapping companies cant offer these extra functions let alone through the cruise stalk, so no switching unit to buy.
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O-rlly - that's quite an arrogant statement! What about Revo? What about GIAC?
Remember, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit - what about cars which do NOT have C/C ???? Oh, sorry, this is a yankie product where they automatically assume that every car everywhere else in the world follows the yankie spec! :stupid:
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 11:34:52 am ---Also all stage 2 upgrades on maps are free of charge, no £50/100 to upgrade your map, free of charge :)
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Personally, I'd rather pay an additional £50 for an upgrade from a UK based company, with UK based R&D, which was developed on UK specification cars, using UK specification fuels, on UK specification tarmac, operating in UK weather conditions - - - - rather than some burger munching bod who probably thinks he can 'do' a full tour of the UK in a three day hire car rental. :stupid:
But that is just my opinion, mind you! :smiley:
Teutonic_Tamer:
--- Quote from: PSItuning on February 09, 2012, 04:35:09 pm ---Remember there is also a FREE 6 hours trial on APR remaps, plug in and go for 6 hours of driving time, who else offers that?
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Erm . . . . REVO. Oh, sorry, how silly of me - - - REVO offer only FIVE hours free trial - so probably in your eyes, that doesn't count! :stupid:
And I'd probably guess that virtually ALL other remapers would offer a similar trial period - but hey - APRs is 6hrs . . . :indifferent:
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 09, 2012, 01:09:58 am ---I can fully understand APR coming back to the party as its a large market for them to share at (especcially as lots jumped to Revo and are now thinking of jumping back), and i do understand UK pricing structures compared to USA pricing, but lets be honest US trade price plus a $ per pound/kilo shipping does not add up to UK prices being what they are (A re-map weighs nothing :happy2:), although again I suppose we should be used to it by now in the UK :booty:
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As I said, I've added in duty, shipping, UK ops cost and margin for the dealer network and that's where the pricing came to. The remaps are the same price as other major brands in the UK.
--- Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 09, 2012, 01:09:58 am --- disagree with the warranty side of things on imports and to call them "Grey Imports" does not sound right after all we live in a world economy and with the internet thats the way it works, if an APR product fails the last thing APR need is bad press about refusing to honour a warranty on a product (Wherever it was bought), i thought warranties were on the product itself, not its location?
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Unfortunately, that's not how it works. I wish it could. Our importers are responsible for complete brand development in their markets. They are responsible for customer service, marketing, warehousing, some product development, dealer training, dealer support, etc. All of these business operations have expense. If you buy an APR part from somewhere other than through the Authorized Importer, you can't expect them to assume the burden of providing support.
For example, if you buy an APR HPFP in the grey market but have an issue, you can't expect the local APR Importer to even answer your call much less bring your car to an APR dealer and expect any kind of support i.e. diagnosis, etc.
If you bought from an APR Dealer in your area, you can expect to talk them at length about what the issue is and expect them to provide a complete resolution at no cost to you.
Imagine this, you are a small business in a local town. You sell and promote the APR brand. You go to local shows, develop local marketing, provide great customer service, etc. One day a client that has been to see you often and you've given great service to, even fixed small things on their engine FOC like a rotting vacuum line or whatnot, shows up with APR products for install that were purchased some place else. You install the product but APR made a mistake and something doesn't fit as it should. What should you do? Spend your time and money working with APR to correct the issue or charge the client for the work you did and send him on his way without his APR product installed?
Look at it on APR's end. If the APR dealer calls APR for support and APR says, on this particular car you need an extra part that the client didn't order, we thought you knew that. The dealer then says, yeah, but he didn't buy it from me. Then comes and tells you you didn't buy the extra part and you need to spend more money. You are going to be upset and APR is more than likely just going to give you the extra part. This costs APR money and the dealer his time and money who is more than likely going to install the extra part FOC.
We have experts in local markets because they are experts. Expertise deserves compensation.
--- Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 09, 2012, 01:09:58 am ---.S. im not a hater of APR or ANY otheer tuner in fact my brother had APR on his 1.8T and was happy with it, I just wish that some of the pricing structures would be a tad more "realistic", maybe its the usual case of "Paying for the name"?
£499 Stg 1 remap seems fair enough for a MK5 GTI but £699 for an ED30/S3?? :ashamed:
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Both Stage 1 remaps for the GTI and ED30 or S3 are 499GBP. There must be a pricing mistake where you looked. Sorry for that!
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: richwig83 on February 09, 2012, 01:13:07 am ---699 is daft money. Youd have thought with the likes of R-tech creating great software for ~£300 that the big guns would reduce their pricing.
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Its only 499GBP.
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