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Bernhard30:
I think Vettel's in a no win situation really..so to speak.
He's winning the races (and personally think he might win every race till season end) but he's driving a Newey car and there's always the debate on the ultimate skill level of drivers in Newey cars.
I think history goes against Seb somewhat here. In the late 90's everyone really rated how quick Hakkinen was and he won 'just' two championships in Newey's McLaren. Then prior to that the 97, 96, 93, & 92 winning drivers were all in Newey Wlliams'.
Accepting the only other multiple champ from that list of years was Prost. But seem to recall in the 90's the interest was could the Williams team beat Schumacher at Benetton/Ferrari.
I don't especially like Vettel per se. Just I think he's a top driver in an exceptional car and is vey much on top of his game.
As Brundle always puts it on the Sky coverage. Mark Webber is a fantastic racing driver. But compare his record in the same car against Sebastian Vettel especially the last couple of years. Not sure Webber will win a race in 2013. Would like to see it. But not sure he will.
So for Vettel to do 4 championships in a row shows he's really very good.
Hope 2014 regs help the racing a bit. Cause it's a one horse race at the minute.
Anyway we know who's the fastest in the Top Gear Suzuki Liana...Hamilton.
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: Bernhard30 on October 09, 2013, 12:06:49 pm ---
I think Vettel's in a no win situation really..so to speak.
He's winning the races (and personally think he might win every race till season end) but he's driving a Newey car and there's always the debate on the ultimate skill level of drivers in Newey cars.
I think history goes against Seb somewhat here. In the late 90's everyone really rated how quick Hakkinen was and he won 'just' two championships in Newey's McLaren. Then prior to that the 97, 96, 93, & 92 winning drivers were all in Newey Wlliams'.
Accepting the only other multiple champ from that list of years was Prost. But seem to recall in the 90's the interest was could the Williams team beat Schumacher at Benetton/Ferrari.
I don't especially like Vettel per se. Just I think he's a top driver in an exceptional car and is vey much on top of his game.
As Brundle always puts it on the Sky coverage. Mark Webber is a fantastic racing driver. But compare his record in the same car against Sebastian Vettel especially the last couple of years. Not sure Webber will win a race in 2013. Would like to see it. But not sure he will.
So for Vettel to do 4 championships in a row shows he's really very good.
Hope 2014 regs help the racing a bit. Cause it's a one horse race at the minute.
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....Spot on! :happy2:
You can't please all of the people all of the time and I expect that Seb Vettel knows he has his 'haters' and isn't too fussed about them. He is a championship winner and that is an indisputable fact and he also has lots of fans. He is likely to deservedly win his fourth championship whether we like it or not but it's not over yet.
simonp:
--- Quote from: Bernhard30 on October 09, 2013, 12:06:49 pm ---Anyway we know who's the fastest in the Top Gear Suzuki Liana...Hamilton.
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And Webber is next, beating Vettel by a second. Makes you wonder whether his car really is identical to his team mate's...??
Bernhard30:
Least Grosjean kept the Red Bulls a bit more honest today.
Good win for Vettel. Gotta hand it to the lad. Making the two stop strategy work to beat his team mate. After both Bulls started lousy.
Like the way they say it's not quite over...mathmatically.
But hey Alonso would have to win every race..which I cannot see happening in 2013.
So Vettel 4 time champ in a fortnight..my prediction.!!!!
Wardy91-ed30:
--- Quote from: Bernhard30 on October 13, 2013, 10:57:23 pm ---Least Grosjean kept the Red Bulls a bit more honest today.
Good win for Vettel. Gotta hand it to the lad. Making the two stop strategy work to beat his team mate. After both Bulls started lousy.
Like the way they say it's not quite over...mathmatically.
But hey Alonso would have to win every race..which I cannot see happening in 2013.
So Vettel 4 time champ in a fortnight..my prediction.!!!!
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Yeah good race. I think vettel did well too, looking after his tyres shows he's matured as a driver. Groesean did well, just the red bulls are too quick. Gutted for webber not to get the win tho. But yeah, your prediction sounds about right IMO
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