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revo or r tech map
Andy:
--- Quote from: R-tech-Nick on April 13, 2012, 09:37:17 pm ---We can provide you with the Revo remap with the SPS switch and custom setup and log your car onthe dyno at no extra charge. Plus a demo on how to use the switch if needed.
Nick
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--- Quote from: R-tech-Nick on April 13, 2012, 09:37:17 pm ---We can provide you with the Revo remap with the SPS switch and custom setup and log your car onthe dyno at no extra charge. Plus a demo on how to use the switch if needed.
Nick
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send you a pm Nick about revo on mine and the sps switch
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MK1Campaign:
I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?
Tamiyoman:
--- Quote from: MK1Campaign on April 15, 2012, 09:35:34 pm ---I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?
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4 Words answer that.
1. Sheep
2/3. Power claims
4. Adjustability
:happy2:
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: MK1Campaign on April 15, 2012, 09:35:34 pm ---
I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?
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...."Custom" maps? Have you read PDT's post I wonder? :rolleye:
I'll make it easier for you:
--- Quote ---Good debate this one, and a question I am asked daily is 'can you do custom maps and how is it better than a generic map?'
The explanation could go into 3+ pages but a general rule is that a generic map is a 1 size fits all product, suitable for a wide range of applications and is not and can not be adjusted by the end user. i.e bluefin or 'flash remaps'. Flash remaps are a simple procedure where you take the car to a 'tuner' ( I use the term tuner very loosely for this type of remap option) and they get an ID of your ECU type and software version and email it to a 3rd party that will copy and paste the changed settings that were made for a similar ECU and car into a file and send it back, this file is then flashed over your current software, you get the keys back and the 'tuner' hopes it doesnt have any problems. The worst type of flash tuning is usually carried out from a back of a van.
A custom map will be very different, the tuner will likely be making the software themselfes rather than sending it away to a 3rd party and the use of a dyno is essential for back to back testing and measuring, however the use of a dyno does not define a custom map, its just a very very handy tool to have to determine wether ther changes you have made are making any real difference to power, emmissions, torque and various other parameters. A dyno allows you to back to back test the effect of the customising of the map in a controlled and safe environment. I.e if you add ignition advance is it making extra power? Is that extra bit of fuel you have added at 3000 rpm at 80% throttle lowered the exhaust gas temps to a safer levels, or has it effected the power output in any way? You get the idea, its time consuming and costly but you get the best end product available, not essesntial for the average stage 1 car but for motorsport or highly modded stuff its a must.
Then you get the middle ground such as REVO, which offers the best of both worlds. A simple sliding scale to adjust the boost, timing and fueling properties within the map and can be accurately adjusted with on-road datalogging to get a good end product. Yes it is custom to a certain extent but lacks the resolution of a genuine custom map as you can only adjust 3 parameters on a 2D sliding scale, no single adjustments for fuel vs throttle position for example, but for a quick easy product they are the market leaders for a very good reason.
As a guide, anyone that offers a 'full custom map' without the use of a dyno is cutting corners a little. Anyone that offers a custom map without any datalogging is either missinformed or pulling the wool over your eyes. We had a customer in yesterday that had a 'proper custom remap' (his words) that cost just £200 and was finished in just 10 mins, he was enquiring about rolling road testing as he couldnt tell the difference after it was done apart from it was jerky at low throttle, the 'tuner' said it will get better when the weather isnt so cold.
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The thread is here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46071.msg532131.html#msg532131
And buy cheap, buy twice.
Tamiyoman:
--- Quote from: RedRobin on April 16, 2012, 09:10:18 am ---
--- Quote from: MK1Campaign on April 15, 2012, 09:35:34 pm ---
I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?
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...."Custom" maps? Have you read PDT's post I wonder? :rolleye:
I'll make it easier for you:
--- Quote ---Good debate this one, and a question I am asked daily is 'can you do custom maps and how is it better than a generic map?'
The explanation could go into 3+ pages but a general rule is that a generic map is a 1 size fits all product, suitable for a wide range of applications and is not and can not be adjusted by the end user. i.e bluefin or 'flash remaps'. Flash remaps are a simple procedure where you take the car to a 'tuner' ( I use the term tuner very loosely for this type of remap option) and they get an ID of your ECU type and software version and email it to a 3rd party that will copy and paste the changed settings that were made for a similar ECU and car into a file and send it back, this file is then flashed over your current software, you get the keys back and the 'tuner' hopes it doesnt have any problems. The worst type of flash tuning is usually carried out from a back of a van.
A custom map will be very different, the tuner will likely be making the software themselfes rather than sending it away to a 3rd party and the use of a dyno is essential for back to back testing and measuring, however the use of a dyno does not define a custom map, its just a very very handy tool to have to determine wether ther changes you have made are making any real difference to power, emmissions, torque and various other parameters. A dyno allows you to back to back test the effect of the customising of the map in a controlled and safe environment. I.e if you add ignition advance is it making extra power? Is that extra bit of fuel you have added at 3000 rpm at 80% throttle lowered the exhaust gas temps to a safer levels, or has it effected the power output in any way? You get the idea, its time consuming and costly but you get the best end product available, not essesntial for the average stage 1 car but for motorsport or highly modded stuff its a must.
Then you get the middle ground such as REVO, which offers the best of both worlds. A simple sliding scale to adjust the boost, timing and fueling properties within the map and can be accurately adjusted with on-road datalogging to get a good end product. Yes it is custom to a certain extent but lacks the resolution of a genuine custom map as you can only adjust 3 parameters on a 2D sliding scale, no single adjustments for fuel vs throttle position for example, but for a quick easy product they are the market leaders for a very good reason.
As a guide, anyone that offers a 'full custom map' without the use of a dyno is cutting corners a little. Anyone that offers a custom map without any datalogging is either missinformed or pulling the wool over your eyes. We had a customer in yesterday that had a 'proper custom remap' (his words) that cost just £200 and was finished in just 10 mins, he was enquiring about rolling road testing as he couldnt tell the difference after it was done apart from it was jerky at low throttle, the 'tuner' said it will get better when the weather isnt so cold.
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The thread is here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46071.msg532131.html#msg532131
And buy cheap, buy twice.
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Yeah but Revo is not a custom map either :happy2:, plus I dont know how they justify the high price when they ripped the software from APR (so much for extensive R & D for Revo) :signLOL:
Jabba, R-tech and Shark all offer Maps that are adjustable based on mods you have and how you drive, Linear (for smooth drivers), max power (for willy wavers) and punchy for those that like to feel themselves pressed against the seat back.
If your mainstream and like name dropping when talking about cars and want a big name and want to pay high prices then APR/Revo are deffo for you, if your not mainstream try something different, all the happy "Alternative" tuned car owners can't be wrong can they? :happy2:
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