All Things Mk5 > Performance Modifications
Hpfp upgrade
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: Grizzle on January 31, 2013, 01:37:07 am ---
--- Quote from: DaveB1970 on January 30, 2013, 09:52:12 pm ---Full marks on engaging the debate Keith
Out of professional courtesy Im going to be extremely polite on the matter of the 3 Million GBP machine Keith
Name and model number of the machine please
...I was at one of the most accomplished Machine shops in the North West of England this afternoon supplying Rolls Royce Derby/F1 teams/MESM (an experimental clinical trials company) and running MAZAK 5 axis machines straight out of Japan and there's lots and lots of very raised eyebrows at that figure.
At (an assumed) £50 per pump that's 60,000 pumps even for a global company like APR that's a lot of pumps and a lot of testing I'm assuming you're batch testing and not testing every pump in which case what's the batch rate? In which case every pump doesn't get tested
60,000 pumps taking 45 minutes per pump is 45,000 hours and the average American doing 40 hours per week with 4 weeks leave that's 25 guys in a room assembling pumps all day......that's with no lunch...
in the interests of the aforementioned transparency can we have a little more info on the machine please, I'll happily eat humble pie and apologise publicly for being a doubting Thomas.
Or are they assembled off shore?
the product obviously works......very well....and APR should be applauded for turning out a good bit of kit, I'm hoping that the Sales and Marketing machine standard replies don't overshadow the product
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This is brilliant...
well and trully caught out APR.
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Not at all I'm afraid. I think people need to read more closely to what is actually said before making accusations, no?
GNJ_Motorsport:
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on January 31, 2013, 04:54:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: GNJ_Motorsport on January 30, 2013, 11:05:26 pm ---Appreciate the reply Keith, even if I think a lot of that came from the US book of sales jargon. Nobody has questioned the APR pumps quality, I don't think there is any doubting that at all.
I have actually run the Autotech before as well and I had no issues at all but I appreciate that going down that route has its obvious pitfalls. That is why we are really looking forward to testing the LOBA pump ourselves, on our £320k 2005 Volkswagen Golf :signLOL: (Joking)
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Definition of JARGON
1
a : confused unintelligible language
b : a strange, outlandish, or barbarous language or dialect
c : a hybrid language or dialect simplified in vocabulary and grammar and used for communication between peoples of different speech
2
: the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of a special activity or group
3
: obscure and often pretentious language marked by circumlocutions and long words
Jargon you say? Reread my post and I can't find any. :P
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Very clever :driver:
You know precisely what I meant.
I'm not going to argue with you, I refuse. APR has nothing to do with my business and never will but LOBA does so it is only natural I will back Si up when he is being hammered for not posting info LOBA have decided not to share.
Like I have said previously, as harsh as it sounds, if people don't like LOBA's stance on the pump then don't buy it. The proof for the LOBA pump will come over time when hundreds of people use them without issue.
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: GNJ_Motorsport on January 31, 2013, 05:21:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on January 31, 2013, 04:54:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: GNJ_Motorsport on January 30, 2013, 11:05:26 pm ---Appreciate the reply Keith, even if I think a lot of that came from the US book of sales jargon. Nobody has questioned the APR pumps quality, I don't think there is any doubting that at all.
I have actually run the Autotech before as well and I had no issues at all but I appreciate that going down that route has its obvious pitfalls. That is why we are really looking forward to testing the LOBA pump ourselves, on our £320k 2005 Volkswagen Golf :signLOL: (Joking)
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Definition of JARGON
1
a : confused unintelligible language
b : a strange, outlandish, or barbarous language or dialect
c : a hybrid language or dialect simplified in vocabulary and grammar and used for communication between peoples of different speech
2
: the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of a special activity or group
3
: obscure and often pretentious language marked by circumlocutions and long words
Jargon you say? Reread my post and I can't find any. :P
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Very clever :driver:
You know precisely what I meant.
I'm not going to argue with you, I refuse. APR has nothing to do with my business and never will but LOBA does so it is only natural I will back Si up when he is being hammered for not posting info LOBA have decided not to share.
Like I have said previously, as harsh as it sounds, if people don't like LOBA's stance on the pump then don't buy it. The proof for the LOBA pump will come over time when hundreds of people use them without issue.
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I hope you don't think I am trying to argue with you. I am making fun of the situation like you were. :)
Seriously though, I really don't see any sales or marketing spin in my post. Everything I've written is from an engineering perspective of what we have found to work and explains to people how to determine for themselves if the pump they are looking at buying has all of the features and benefits of ours.
Janner_Sy:
--- Quote from: GNJ_Motorsport on January 31, 2013, 05:21:43 pm ---I'm not going to argue with you, I refuse. APR has nothing to do with my business and never will but LOBA does so it is only natural I will back Si up when he is being hammered for not posting info LOBA have decided not to share.
Like I have said previously, as harsh as it sounds, if people don't like LOBA's stance on the pump then don't buy it. The proof for the LOBA pump will come over time when hundreds of people use them without issue.
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Which basically says that everything you post is therefore biased and also sales jargon then :confused:
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on January 31, 2013, 05:26:10 pm ---
Seriously though, I really don't see any sales or marketing spin in my post. Everything I've written is from an engineering perspective of what we have found to work and explains to people how to determine for themselves if the pump they are looking at buying has all of the features and benefits of ours.
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....And I found it very informative and useful technical information - It gives me even more confidence in my APR HPFP, as does your web page about the pump:
http://www.goapr.co.uk/products/fsi_fuel_pump.html
If this was 6 months ago and the Loba pump had become available then I would have been extremely disappointed in Loba's lack of published information to help me make a choice and it would have put me off buying theirs.
This isn't a case of one pump being 'better' than another but being able to make an informed choice to decide which to buy. Which is doubtless what everyone considering to buy an aftermarket HPFP would value.
I take notice of brand reputations but I don't have any brand loyalties (apart from Milltek) - I just want what's best for my beloved car. Don't we all?
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