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Zaino?....
JPC:
I could get really into it now and advise against the z8. it's great on it's own but it can work to compromise the work you,ve just put in with the z2. It won't add to the finish I promise, 2 coats of z2 with a quick detailer on to tidy up any bits will leave it as good as anything.
For anyone who wants to know why, z8 is primarily a spray and wipe sealant for untreated paint. In that application, it's absolutely brilliant. Now, I suspect there are some solvents in there which are there to ensure an even coverage. There's nothing wrong with having solvents in, there important in a spray sealant. But as you can imagine, these will have a detrimental effect on any underlying protection. Now, these might be small, but when you consider the work you've put in, in applying two coats, you won't want anything taking away from it.
In it's own field, as a spray sealant z8 is great, but over existing sealant, not so great. It's hardly going to dissolve your z2 in seconds, but it would be careless to say it won't have any effect.
Sorry if that's a ramble, I've typed it on my iPhone.
I've tried to present it in a way where each reader can decide for themselves how to take the advice, but it's all worth bearing in mine after sweating your nads off applying z2!
Happy detailing
:pomppomp:
RedRobin:
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@ Greenie :
Never ever to the extent where I'm detailing in an underground car park in a foreign country at 2am! Familiar scene? :happy2:
@ Jay :
Methinks I'll stick with a 2nd coat of Z2 tomorrow and put the money I save towards those rims.
:drinking:
veedub18:
--- Quote from: JPC on August 18, 2009, 06:25:48 pm ---I could get really into it now and advise against the z8. it's great on it's own but it can work to compromise the work you,ve just put in with the z2. It won't add to the finish I promise, 2 coats of z2 with a quick detailer on to tidy up any bits will leave it as good as anything.
For anyone who wants to know why, z8 is primarily a spray and wipe sealant for untreated paint. In that application, it's absolutely brilliant. Now, I suspect there are some solvents in there which are there to ensure an even coverage. There's nothing wrong with having solvents in, there important in a spray sealant. But as you can imagine, these will have a detrimental effect on any underlying protection. Now, these might be small, but when you consider the work you've put in, in applying two coats, you won't want anything taking away from it.
In it's own field, as a spray sealant z8 is great, but over existing sealant, not so great. It's hardly going to dissolve your z2 in seconds, but it would be careless to say it won't have any effect.
Sorry if that's a ramble, I've typed it on my iPhone.
I've tried to present it in a way where each reader can decide for themselves how to take the advice, but it's all worth bearing in mine after sweating your nads off applying z2!
Happy detailing
:pomppomp:
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Hi JPC,
Apologies and no disrepect meant, but I have to totally disagree with that statement.
I have used Z8 for well over a year now, and from my own personal experiance, and from reading about it on Detailing World from seeing how the 'pro's use it, I can say you are wrong in this instance.
My argument is substansiated by the following,
Taken from the Zaino website, link below
"Z-8 Grand Finale™ Spray Seal:
Leaves a high gloss, high shine, deep, rich, wet finish thanks to advanced optical-clarifying polymers
Leaves an ultra-slick finish that repels dust, dirt, environmental fallout and other stains
Locks in the improved looks and protection for weeks - not days
Contains anti-UV agents to protect your vehicle's finish against damaging sun rays
Is easy to use: wipe on, wipe off
Is intended for special occasions and events only; it is not a Z-6 replacement
Should be used in conjunction with the Zaino Show Car Polish System, including Z-2 PRO, Z-3 or Z-5
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-8&Category_Code=Zaino
There is also a very useful guide below (from DW) to Zaino as people often get the wrong info about how/when to use each product.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=30674
Can you let me know how you came to these conclusions, was it from advise or from personal experiance?
I'm not trying to start an arguement here, and wouldn't have replied unless I was totally convinced it makes a HUGE difference to the longevity and shine of a car with Z2 or Z5 or even the AIO product on.
Stuart :happy2:
JPC:
I used it for years too mate but now I stay away when it comes to z8 on top of wax or sealants.
I was just as convinced as you but I kind of lost site of how much the protection had broken down.
I was the same in that i was thinking "oh it feels so soft etc" but its a spray sealant, course its going to feel like that, if its freshly applied. BUT.......a sealant thats been properly applied and maintained (z2 or z5) should stay like that for months. And i bet if you have been using z8 after a wash, then next time you come to feel the paint, it doesnt feel as smooth as it did when you applied then original sealant.
Its a great product, but i dont condone the use of it as a quick detailer. This is me ignoring the advice on DW, these are mainly based on people following everyone else. Thats not me though. I dont want to sound abrupt, but I dont care what the manufacturer's website says, remember its there to mainly sell more and more products?
If you want, Get some wax and spray it with z8, see what happens.
I tend not to follow sheep with detailing and develop my own ways of working. This is one of them. If you really want to put it to the test, see how 6 month old zaino beads next to 6 month old zaino that's had a z8 "top up". You'll find the untouched one beads much better. Now add that to how much they sell z for, and how you'd go thru your bottle of z2 quicker. As I said before, you can take it or leave it, I'm not fulling z8 out. I'm just saying in the long run, you better not using it.
And as said, it's not going to strip it like isopropyl alcohol, but it has the potential to be a pointless step to undo any effort you have put in.
Btw...if your talking about Pros On Detailing word, Im one of them haha!
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: veedub18 on August 18, 2009, 06:52:39 am ---
I also take my wheels off and coat them in Z2 inside and out, makes a huge difference when you go to clean them.
--- End quote ---
....I'm about to buy some new OZ Alleggerita Titanium finish rims (without rubber) - I'll be putting some Z2 on them before they go on the car!
2nd coat Z2 on car body today and then batcave for 24hrs. Was out on an airfield around midnight last night - Parked up with a large BMW and put it to shame! The night air condensation formed teeny-weeny bubbles on my roof.
I'm gonna keep it simple and stay with the Z2.
:drinking:
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