All Things Mk5 > Performance Modifications
Custom "retard" mapping?
Janner_Sy:
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 08:38:27 pm ---For a tuner to turn away work for a valid reason, that takes integrity.
And at the end of the day this is a predominantly 2.0 TFSI forum - not a twincharger set up.. Besides, the 1.4's are so flimsy they generally break a supercharger before you even get a chance to map them unfortunately. :confused: :confused:
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err no they dont, thats utter rubbish, not on the 180ps version anyway. Ive never heard or read of a single supercharger failure on either SCN, VAGOC or briskoda. Mines happily soaking up stage 3 power.
FWIW, i might have a 1.4TSI now, but before i had a 2.0TFSI. From what ive read of your replies, this is acting like the stereo typical fanboy. You have no experience of having either REVO or RTECH on a 2.0TFSI yet you seem to be able to say one is crap and one is awesome.
also just to add, ive never had REVO on my car either, i chose other companies for all my cars, but I have driven many REVO 2.0TFSI from stage 1 to stage 3 and i know its not a generic setup. They ahvent lead the market for this many years with a generic product!!
What im trying to point out, is that you cant come out with those sort of statements without any technical back up or personal experience. Looking at a dyno sheet doesnt tell you how a remap is actually performing with its power delivery. On another note, which tuners are the fastest on the 30-130 or the 1/4 mile...theres proof there
vRS Carl:
--- Quote from: GrayMK5GTI on June 12, 2013, 07:56:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: vRS Carl on June 12, 2013, 07:49:23 pm ---I think someone is telling porkies here. I do not believe for one minute that R-Tech map EVERY single car differently. :chicken:
They will do EXACTLY what Revo do. I.E take the car, apply map, drive the car and alter the boost timing and fuelling to suit the car so it's running safe.
I seriously doubt Nick/R-Tech has the time to do what you are saying. Maybe on a select few cars they have sat on a Dyno and done what you say. But I think it would be a handful at most.
What you are saying they are doing would take a couple of days worth of mapping, data logging and fine tuning. From what I gather from people's posts they get the car back after a couple of hours at most. Hardly a "Custom" map. I've still yet to have someone convince me that a car can be set up on the rolling road better than the actual road. If that was the case then no Motorsport team or car manufacturer would do on road testing or drive the ring etc. it would all be done on a Dyno.
Each to there own and all that but I think some common sense needs to be applied.
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Custom as in fine tuned to the specific hardware of the car (repeating myself again :sad1:) not adjusting boost, timing and fuel across the whole rev range by a single setting. . .
I was there for 2.5hrs when my GTI was getting the stage 1 treatment. Nick was forever tweaking things and dynoing again until it was right. depends on what extent of tune your going for, as said above a base map is applied then fine tuned til it's perfect. You tweak all the factors where needed until everything is sweet.
James's was on the dyno for 2 days solid and ED30Dom's will be on for a similar amount of time.
Nick always shows you what he is doing for example when he's adjusting the actuator to change the spool of the turbo it's all there on the PC in front of you
Take it you haven't read Saint Steves review, that sums the whole process up brilliantly.
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Revo don't adjust one setting. The boost timing and fuelling go from 1 - 9 so that's 729 possible combinations for a start. Yes it goes across the rev range but that's because they have done hours of R&D and testing on the car to form the base map. I would imagine Nick has the same thing with his map. He can adjust certain parameters within a certain range tolerance. I highly doubt he is rewriting the map code each time he tweaks a setting.
Anyway I can see this going on and on and we will never agree. As long as you're happy with your choice the that's all that matters. Most of us are happy with our maps and I don't ever try and force Revo or big them up. I didn't even mention anything much when I switched from APR to Revo.
If Nick wants to prove to me how good his map is then I'm happy for him to use my car on the proviso that if I'm not satisfied he puts/pays for Revo to be put back on. :happy2:
GrayMK5GTI:
For further clarity, and I hope this isn't what you were implying, but I'm not trying to "force" anything on anyone. Made clear in my above posts. Only trying to get the facts straight.
As said in one of my other posts TIV mapping gives complete control of the ECU so everything can be changed (basically an infinite amount of adjustments) there is no range tolerance (beyond the limits of the hardware)
No one is saying he re-writes the code each time. Again, I've said above that he loads a base map, the range of adjustability is greater (I'm no expert but the ECU in the mk5 has more than 9 different timing settings, for example). As I also said above, all tuners get roughly the same result so figures wise no one is better than the other in the pub bragging sense and ill happily admit that I'd probably be very happy with any reputable map on my car
One final thing worth mentioning is that you hear a lot of great feedback from R-tech customers because they are happy with the service and want to recommend it to others (more so on other forums where r-tech are thought even more of than on here). That speaks volumes.
Your right, we aren't going to agree on this and I'm a bit sick of repeating myself :grin:
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xjay1337:
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on June 12, 2013, 09:01:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 08:38:27 pm ---For a tuner to turn away work for a valid reason, that takes integrity.
And at the end of the day this is a predominantly 2.0 TFSI forum - not a twincharger set up.. Besides, the 1.4's are so flimsy they generally break a supercharger before you even get a chance to map them unfortunately. :confused: :confused:
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err no they dont, thats utter rubbish, not on the 180ps version anyway. Ive never heard or read of a single supercharger failure on either SCN, VAGOC or briskoda. Mines happily soaking up stage 3 power.
FWIW, i might have a 1.4TSI now, but before i had a 2.0TFSI. From what ive read of your replies, this is acting like the stereo typical fanboy. You have no experience of having either REVO or RTECH on a 2.0TFSI yet you seem to be able to say one is crap and one is awesome.
also just to add, ive never had REVO on my car either, i chose other companies for all my cars, but I have driven many REVO 2.0TFSI from stage 1 to stage 3 and i know its not a generic setup. They ahvent lead the market for this many years with a generic product!!
What im trying to point out, is that you cant come out with those sort of statements without any technical back up or personal experience. Looking at a dyno sheet doesnt tell you how a remap is actually performing with its power delivery. On another note, which tuners are the fastest on the 30-130 or the 1/4 mile...theres proof there
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Fanboy? Lol mate jog on. I read reviews from owners who have had Revo,Bluefin,Superchips etc, and then had an R-tech map, and various other peoples input, and then make a balanced decision on what I have seen.
Fanboy is blindly supporting them.
I support R-tech because of the quality of work, the willingness to give advice and the overall professionalism of the service they provide.
Plus I have dealy with them before.
I have not seen 30-130 but who really cares? Apart from Plonkas. You can make any car fast flat out, what about nice smooth power that builds with good mid range?
As for quarter miles as I found out at Santa Pod at Springfest, times can vary wildly depending on launch, wind, gearchanges, etc. It's an idea but arguing over a few tenths here and there doesn't really prove anything unless on the same track at the same time with both drivers getting good launches and gear changes.
A dyno chart is plenty enough to see how the power is delivered. As that's what its purpose is!
When you see a huge torque spike at 3000rpm followed by flat line, to the redline, that's not a good map.
It's all about "under the graph" area, increasing power and torque over the WHOLE rev-range not just mapping it with a huge spike in the power to make it feel super-duper fast and fry your clutch.
I would have a Revo map on my car BUT
I wouldn't pay their extortionate prices. They are more expensive than R-techs custom maps and not tailored to your style of driving or exact car/exact mods.
I would only get one as part of the occasional £150 deal that comes up. And then after a few months I would still take it to R-tech.
The TIV mapping is just off the chain.
As said above, we are all going to argue if we carry on so I've said my piece and will leave it at that.
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