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Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« on: July 27, 2013, 02:39:02 pm »
Just drove home from work no problem, half an hour later car wont start! When ignition is on both fans kick in and run continuously and the temp gauge is showing nothing at all. Car turns over but will not fire. VCDS cant connect to the engine controller and also dsg lights are flashing eg all of them pnrd etc....HELP!

VCDS log.......

Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ5W241797   Mileage: 132910km/82586miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: None
   VCID: 55AB9F8DBC1A771

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-300-0xx.lbl
   Part No SW: 02E 300 042 M    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
   Component: GSG DSG         041 0824 
   Revision: 00004010    Serial number: 00000504110582
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 1D3BC7ADC4AAEF1

1 Fault Found:
18258 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1850 - 000 - Missing Message from ECU

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 K
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0104 
   Coding: 0004738
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3A712C317544B89

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 AG
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0505 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6CDDDA694F90D69

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 N    HW: 1K0 937 049 N*
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 0803 
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000001696939
   Coding: E58D8F2600041819001400001400000000087F075C
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 3A712C317544B89

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW350  012  0401 
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 12345 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 M  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RegenLichtSens 005  0605 
   Coding: 00480286
   Shop #: WSC 12345 

2 Faults Found:
01502 - Bulb for Rear Fog; Left (L46)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 N    HW: 1K0 909 605 N
   Component: 08 AIRBAG VW8   015 2100 
   Revision: 03015000    Serial number: 0038ED0C0THA 
   Coding: 0012344
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 377735054656A51

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 F    HW: 1K0 953 549 F
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 521 0050 
   Coding: 0010042
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 356B3F0D5C5A571

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K6 920 960 D
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0812 
   Coding: 0001403
   Shop #: WSC 01179 210 93569
   VCID: 30650E19A338729

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 E    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: Gateway         H11 0110 
   Revision: 11          Serial number: 29001054110B34
   Coding: 3F0F0340070001
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 2953E37D80E2031

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 211
                    Mileage: 132915 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 13:42:48


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K6 920 960 D
   Component: IMMO            VDD 0812 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 30650E19A338729

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0122 
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 30650E19A338729

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.12      1502 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 31630B1DA8327B1

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 2880 km
                    Temperature: 38.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.40 V
                    Voltage: 12.30 V


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AJ
   Component:    KSG              0401 
   Coding: 19D802487F2D8505481AC69010CC
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 78F5F6390BC86A9

   Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H02 1301

   Part No: 1K0 907 719 B
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0003

   Part No: 1K0 951 177 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.005 0202

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0122 
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 31630B1DA8327B1

1 Fault Found:
00933 - Electric Window Motor; Passenger Side (V148)
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 L
   Component: Radio BVX       014 0022 
   Coding: 0040402
   Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
   VCID: 2F670D65BE066D1

No fault code found.

End   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
« Last Edit: July 27, 2013, 02:53:36 pm by mk4gti-t »

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 09:43:35 am »
Sunday morning bump :-) Anybody had issues like this before? Could it be can bus related or hopefully a loose connection on the ecu?
« Last Edit: July 28, 2013, 09:45:58 am by mk4gti-t »

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 11:29:01 am »
sounds like a wiring issue on the drivetrain CAN wiring
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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 12:18:22 pm »
Thanks for the reply eddie. A couple of questions A - where do i start lookking and B - would this stop vag com reading the ecu? Cheers.

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 01:28:07 pm »
All the no signal/ no communication errors to me means no power going somewhere.

disconnect battery an reconnect? Prob wont fix it but might reboot something.

Its weird how the car can be fine, drive ok then after turning it back on not start!

You don't have a after market immobilizer or like the APR maps a "lock out" feature on your map?

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 01:31:18 pm »
No car is totally standard. It is wierd as there was no warning at all, no lights on the dash on the way home from work whatsoever. The only thing i did was jet wash it on the way to work but it started fine on my way home...Strange  :surprised:

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 02:06:38 pm »
Ive just disconnected the battery and tried it again but still the same only now the steering wheel light is staying on amber???
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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 07:36:12 pm »
Ive just disconnected the battery and tried it again but still the same only now the steering wheel light is staying on amber???

That's normal after battery disconnect.

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 07:39:03 pm »
Oh thanks. Ringing the dealer i got it from first thing tomorow, hopefully they will be able to help  :scared:

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 09:27:11 pm »
Seen this before where the radio wiring /dash wiring was pulling down the Can have you been doing or had any work done lately?

If not you'll have to disconnect each module on the gateway to trace the area where the short is consuming all the power!

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 09:31:48 pm »
Great thanks for the advice. How do I go about disconnecting each device from the can? Ta. Oh and no work has been done at all. The only thing I did previously was to jet wash it the morning before it failed. I did wash under the arches quite thoroughly so water may have got in somewhere.
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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 09:40:25 pm »
Start with the most common failure items ecu,instrument cluster etc and re-scan then check to see if the other items communicate with each other.

If its the ecu - then check the exhaust sensor wiring hasn't burnt through / was a common area if exhaust mods have been under taken.

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 09:43:33 pm »
Ok but how and where should I disconnect them from? Also the car is totally standard as far as I know so no exhaust mods have been done.
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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 09:53:01 pm »
Most of the items just need unplugged i- f you can reach them however,not everyone is simple to get to!

The cluster is easy start there -

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3604801-DIY-hi-line-cluster&p=44436968&viewfull=1#post44436968

Just go to the section which shows the cluster being removed on the link and as I say rescan and see what shows up each time.

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Re: Car wont start,fans running and vag com issues?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 09:54:57 pm »
Ok thanks once again for your help.