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revo,jabba or apr??
john_o:
indeed RR , and the remap itself is only part of the equation , way more to it (in my review lol)
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: RedRobin on September 11, 2009, 02:22:02 pm ---....
I wouldn't take too much notice of the APR bad publicity you report. If the issues were so, I think most of us here would know about it. Quite apart from that, a tuner such as APR, Revo, Superchips etc have the resources to solve unforeseen issues which may occur - They can't afford not to!
Also, you have to dial in the factor of bragging rights between shall we say the 'less mature minded' - It can get a bit like football team rivalry for some people. Yet another factor is that a problem on one car may not in fact be the remap but that the remap has brought it to light, but too many people feel they have to blame someone.
Just my two-penny-worth :smiley:
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Sometimes comparison tests don't always go as they should. There are alot of variables that have to be accounted for and its imperative that the car has a clean bill of health. There are specific procedures that must be followed to ensure a fair comparison. Its possible the car was either sick or really hot or not driven after being flashed and just put straight on the dyno, etc.
Keith@APR:
--- Quote from: spliff1star on September 11, 2009, 01:31:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: john_o on September 11, 2009, 08:23:16 am ---Hi,
is this a std K03 GTI or a K04 Edition30 model ?
anyways , by all means post up the link , Id love to review the thread :happy2:
APR or REVO both have good reputation with large customer bases.
On here REVO is more widely used (and also allows you to 'tune' some parameters)
do lots of research and make your own mind up.
I also have a APR stg1 on ED30 review , plus there are other remap reviews in the product section too :happy2:
enjoy
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i have a k03 as my model aint the ed30. i would have to try and find the link again if i can and post it. i think im going to go for revo
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the funniest thing about these type of comparison tests also is that you can find at least 10 showing APR to be more powerful than others as well.
Most people don't realize the ecu calibration game isn't about who can make the most power as all tuners can hit the same power levels and fair comparison tests typically show very small differences. Its really about how the power is made and the philosophy of the calibration in regards to reliability, linear power delivery and compensational mapping strategies.
Sometimes people over look the area under the curve and I've seen calibrations that are down 10bhp peak power but are 1-2 car lengths faster. Another interesting measurement is the amount of time it takes to accomplish redline. Timing 2500 rpm to redline runs shows a lot of interesting results.
Msportman:
--- Quote from: Keith@APR on September 11, 2009, 04:47:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: spliff1star on September 11, 2009, 01:31:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: john_o on September 11, 2009, 08:23:16 am ---Hi,
is this a std K03 GTI or a K04 Edition30 model ?
anyways , by all means post up the link , Id love to review the thread :happy2:
APR or REVO both have good reputation with large customer bases.
On here REVO is more widely used (and also allows you to 'tune' some parameters)
do lots of research and make your own mind up.
I also have a APR stg1 on ED30 review , plus there are other remap reviews in the product section too :happy2:
enjoy
--- End quote ---
i have a k03 as my model aint the ed30. i would have to try and find the link again if i can and post it. i think im going to go for revo
--- End quote ---
the funniest thing about these type of comparison tests also is that you can find at least 10 showing APR to be more powerful than others as well.
Most people don't realize the ecu calibration game isn't about who can make the most power as all tuners can hit the same power levels and fair comparison tests typically show very small differences. Its really about how the power is made and the philosophy of the calibration in regards to reliability, linear power delivery and compensational mapping strategies.
Sometimes people over look the area under the curve and I've seen calibrations that are down 10bhp peak power but are 1-2 car lengths faster. Another interesting measurement is the amount of time it takes to accomplish redline. Timing 2500 rpm to redline runs shows a lot of interesting results.
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Absolutely Keith...it's the delivery and the area under the curve. It may be interesting for some people to know how much R&D APR do when writing new code. Some pics of your R&D facility would be great.
Ben you used to work for you I believe was an ex F1 engine mapper....he worked on my old MKIV at Jim's...it was the first UK car to be mapped on APR Stage 2 on my 1.8t.
APR I believe are working closely with VW. Will this mean factory backed mapped car's from the dealership?
Ian
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: Msportman on September 11, 2009, 06:38:12 pm ---
APR I believe are working closely with VW. Will this mean factory backed mapped car's from the dealership?
Ian
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....While answering such questions, Keith, I'd love to know how Carbonio and Oettinger all fit together with APR - I find it a bit confusing because I think these different brands are closely related.
Thanks :happy2:
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