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Going to machine polishing please advise
xjay1337:
Pads are pretty much of a muchness, there are differences definately but if you've not used any others before it's hard to compare.
I personally don't like flat pads i much prefer ones such as the hexlogic or the 3m pads which have a texture to the surface, especially with harder pads as I find it helps make them less grabby and easier to control.
You'll be fine with most things although I would avoid Menzerna pads just as an FYI as they really don't get on well with DA's.
Stevie35:
For using with a DA try meguiars microfibre system, works a treat I used it on my GFs old black S3 and it came out good. If you already have ultimate compound that would probably do just get suitable pads for this and another polish to refine with. Have a good search through YouTube for various guides there is hundreds of videos but you should find something for specific products u want to use.
Try to get an old bonnet to practise with first or just be brave n jump in. Check out detailing world for extra info that's where I got most of my info when I started.
Hevoshullu:
First of all, correcting the hard VAG black paint will take a lot of time and patience. Also it is important to be familiar with the technique of machine polishing in theory before starting it in practice. I would recommend reading this guide: http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=63859 as well as this http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/misc/rotarypolishing.pdf
As for your car, the black VAG paint can be a pain to correct with a dual action machine. The DAS-6 basic model is not powerful enough for the job and even the more powerful DAS-6 Pro will struggle to correct your paint. Using normal common sense you can easily start off with a rotary machine (it's not as dangerous as the internet makes you believe it is). You need to be aware of leaving holograms into the paint and just take it a little bit easier with plastic body parts with a rotary machine. For your case I would probably get the Shinemate EP801 rotary polisher, a 3,5" M14 backing plate, Hex-logic pads in 5,5" and 4" sizes (at least orange, green, blue and black) and them Scholl Concepts S17+ and S30+ compounds. The Scholl compounds are lovely as they work much faster than the traditional Menzerna ones and they don't leave any dust behind.
I don't know about Meguiar's Ultimate Compound, but I wouldn't use the Farecla G3 for paint correction as there are so much better compounds available. AG super resin polish is just an all-in-one product that fill up and mask the swirls. It also doesn't last very long at all, and the swirls come back in sight after just a few washes.
xjay1337:
--- Quote from: Hevoshullu on June 18, 2014, 08:45:04 pm ---First of all, correcting the hard VAG black paint will take a lot of time and patience. Also it is important to be familiar with the technique of machine polishing in theory before starting it in practice. I would recommend reading this guide: http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=63859 as well as this http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/misc/rotarypolishing.pdf
As for your car, the black VAG paint can be a pain to correct with a dual action machine. The DAS-6 basic model is not powerful enough for the job and even the more powerful DAS-6 Pro will struggle to correct your paint. Using normal common sense you can easily start off with a rotary machine (it's not as dangerous as the internet makes you believe it is). You need to be aware of leaving holograms into the paint and just take it a little bit easier with plastic body parts with a rotary machine. For your case I would probably get the Shinemate EP801 rotary polisher, a 3,5" M14 backing plate, Hex-logic pads in 5,5" and 4" sizes (at least orange, green, blue and black) and them Scholl Concepts S17+ and S30+ compounds. The Scholl compounds are lovely as they work much faster than the traditional Menzerna ones and they don't leave any dust behind.
I don't know about Meguiar's Ultimate Compound, but I wouldn't use the Farecla G3 for paint correction as there are so much better compounds available. AG super resin polish is just an all-in-one product that fill up and mask the swirls. It also doesn't last very long at all, and the swirls come back in sight after just a few washes.
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I corrected my car with a Das6 pro with no problems... Orange Hexlogic and FG400. Some panels did take a couple of hits but nevertheless :happy2:
I also find that S17 is not enough to get a good result even with a rotary. Regularly need to use S3 with an orange Hex logic.
Regarding dusting it's typical of any aggressive polish to leave dust, FG400 is Menzernas most aggressive compound and leaves far, far less dust than either S3 or S2 Orange, but then again it's not quite as aggressive IMO
The problem with going straight to a rotary is that they are harder to use, the machine CAN and DOES want to go any which way on the paint, very pad/polish/paint dependant if it's sticky or anything, and you CAN do more damage more easily because their is no safety net.. You can still do damage with a Dual action, but unless you have a forced drive one if you press too hard or go onto a panel edge the pad will simply stop spinning.. it's (almost) impossible to hologram with a DA especially on harder VW paint like you say, so you can hit it pretty hard.
The Meguiars MF system makes pretty light work of harder paint with a DA, it works well but you do have to keep re-fluffing the pads, which is typical with any MF or wool pad i guess.
Hevoshullu:
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 19, 2014, 09:26:58 am ---
I corrected my car with a Das6 pro with no problems... Orange Hexlogic and FG400. Some panels did take a couple of hits but nevertheless :happy2:
I also find that S17 is not enough to get a good result even with a rotary. Regularly need to use S3 with an orange Hex logic.
Regarding dusting it's typical of any aggressive polish to leave dust, FG400 is Menzernas most aggressive compound and leaves far, far less dust than either S3 or S2 Orange, but then again it's not quite as aggressive IMO
The problem with going straight to a rotary is that they are harder to use, the machine CAN and DOES want to go any which way on the paint, very pad/polish/paint dependant if it's sticky or anything, and you CAN do more damage more easily because their is no safety net.. You can still do damage with a Dual action, but unless you have a forced drive one if you press too hard or go onto a panel edge the pad will simply stop spinning.. it's (almost) impossible to hologram with a DA especially on harder VW paint like you say, so you can hit it pretty hard.
The Meguiars MF system makes pretty light work of harder paint with a DA, it works well but you do have to keep re-fluffing the pads, which is typical with any MF or wool pad i guess.
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You are right, and I do agree with your points. It's just a matter of taste really, I guess. I just think a Golf V with a hard paint and fairly simple and easy body shapes is not a too difficult platform to start out with a rotary. Surely you can achieve all the same results that a rotary will give you also with a DA. I too did my Tornado Red last summer with a DAS-6 Pro, orange Hex and Menzerna PF2300. It just takes so long to even achieve like a 70 to 80% correction in my opinion. Especially because thread starter's black paint is properly swirled up, to achieve the same results a 10 hour job with a rotary will give, it might take over double the time with a DA if there are some deeper marring in the paint. Would you agree? :)
Once one gets the hang of using a rotary machine, there is really no going back to a noisy and vibrating DA. :happy2: I do admit that some very soft or sticky paints might need the help of a DA to refine the finish.
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