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Polish by hand vs machine, miles apart?
SurreyED30:
I use a machine polisher mate and it tackles swirls/duff patches with ease. I would defo stick your hand in your pocket and buy a machine polisher and save the arthritis for another 20 years :signLOL:
I've got mine nearly 90% mark free now after 2 goes at a few hours of polishing :jumpmove:, i thought claying it made it look the dogs nuts but since I bought the DAS6 Pro with Menzerna products and a decent sealant for after the correction is done....i stare at my car every time it rains with one hand down my shorts :P
DanMaytee:
What you've got to think though mate is using SRP only fills the swirl marks in. In a month or two time you'll need to do it again as it would of washed out and the exact same swirls would be visible again. If you tried using a cutting compound such as Menzerna FG400 (which I'm currently using on my machine polisher) it would take you hours and hours just to do a tiny little bit, especially with German paint as it's really tough. Whereas SRP fills the swirl marks, a cutting compound removes a very fine layer of the top coat thus getting rid of the swirl marks all together. The only way they would reappear is if the car isn't washed correctly and more swirl marks are caused.
As you can see using SRP does get you some amazing results by hand and I actually used it before I started machine polishing. I'd highly recommend getting a DA and giving it a go. Once you've done it once you shouldn't really need to do it again as long as you give it a safe wash everytime and be careful of contaminates.
As Rich said photos don't mean too much but I thought I'd post these anyway. All in all it's taken me 5 hours to do that side of the car and the bootlid. This is doing 4 passes with the cutting compound, 3 passes with a finishing polish and 1 layer of Collinite.
If you want to know anything else feel free to ask :). I'm no means a expert but I've learnt quite a few things since starting :)
SurreyED30:
im no expert either but this is the results on my black Eddy
havent took any recent shots, these are about 6-8 weeks old :P
mk5Eire:
--- Quote from: SurreyED30 on July 09, 2014, 11:05:24 am ---im no expert either but this is the results on my black Eddy
havent took any recent shots, these are about 6-8 weeks old :P
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That bonnet shot :surprised: Black really is the colour to drool at with a shine lol those are some excellent results! How long did you find the shine to last for after a few washes?
--- Quote from: DanMaytee on July 09, 2014, 10:46:52 am ---What you've got to think though mate is using SRP only fills the swirl marks in. In a month or two time you'll need to do it again as it would of washed out and the exact same swirls would be visible again. If you tried using a cutting compound such as Menzerna FG400 (which I'm currently using on my machine polisher) it would take you hours and hours just to do a tiny little bit, especially with German paint as it's really tough. Whereas SRP fills the swirl marks, a cutting compound removes a very fine layer of the top coat thus getting rid of the swirl marks all together. The only way they would reappear is if the car isn't washed correctly and more swirl marks are caused.
As you can see using SRP does get you some amazing results by hand and I actually used it before I started machine polishing. I'd highly recommend getting a DA and giving it a go. Once you've done it once you shouldn't really need to do it again as long as you give it a safe wash everytime and be careful of contaminates.
As Rich said photos don't mean too much but I thought I'd post these anyway. All in all it's taken me 5 hours to do that side of the car and the bootlid. This is doing 4 passes with the cutting compound, 3 passes with a finishing polish and 1 layer of Collinite.
If you want to know anything else feel free to ask :). I'm no means a expert but I've learnt quite a few things since starting :)
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Very good post Dan i actually never realised that the resin polish only filled the swirl marks i had it in my had that it was slightly abrasive and that it removed them. I actually just bought myself a bottle of meguiars ultimate compound and i want to compound the whole car once just to have it done. I did find excellent results with the claybar but there are still a few small scratches which i think compound will erase!
So is compound the only solution to removing swirl marks or can you get a more abrasive polish to remove them?
Would you really need to do 4 passes with cutting compound? Is there any fear of burning through the paint? :scared:
GTI-Ross:
German paint is so hard, even doing 4 passes on speed 6 DA can leave a few swirl imperfection, often need 5-6. You would find it hard to damage the paint with compound solution unless you are a total buffoon.
SRP does have a small amount of cutting power, combined with filler. Thats why people think its so good, when really its only doing half a job.
Best combo is Menzerna Fast gloss 400 followed by Menzerna super finish or final finish (when i say best, Best for the money & IMO)
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