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Title: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 07, 2010, 10:16:18 am
Anyone know if it's possible to retrofit the electronic folding mirrors to my ED30? My previous MKV GTI had them and I really miss them (even tho they hardly fold in!) as I have to manually fold them in every night to put my car in the garage - and it's a right pain the the arse!

I'm not so bothered about the 'puddle lights' that usually come as part of the folding mirrors, tho that would be nice. What would be involved - new switch on the door panel, new motor in the mirror & reprogramming via VAG COM? Or would it not be that easy? Could I raid the parts from a scrappy/dismantler?

Cheers for your help

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Moschops on April 07, 2010, 10:31:21 am
This was recently discussed on the R32OC site and from what I'm led to believe you have to replace the each mirror and they cost about £175 each!!! If you don' t have the correct generation regulator.. :jumping:


Here you go bud the link... :happy2:

http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/20484-folding-mirrors.html

HTH
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: TurboTrev on April 07, 2010, 11:45:45 am
Done it on my ED 30 - it's all plug in and play, but you'll need a set of folding mirrors, the control unit from each door and the interior switch.  Find someone that has them (similar year car) and doesn't use them, give him some dosh and swap the parts - that's what I did. :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 07, 2010, 01:56:11 pm
Cheers for the replies guys.

So Turbotrev, it is feasible then? Looking at that link by Moschops it doesn't really look possible!

Would these do http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK5-2004-DOOR-MIRROR-ELECTRIC-FOLDING_W0QQitemZ170153367477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item279dee57b5 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK5-2004-DOOR-MIRROR-ELECTRIC-FOLDING_W0QQitemZ170153367477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item279dee57b5)

What's the control unit? Where's it located & what's it look like - any pics/part no./info etc? Is the interior switch just a straight swap then? So I don't need to do any extra wiring or any VAG COM or anything?

Cheers
Steve

Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on April 07, 2010, 02:06:26 pm
look at some of these its all the stuff you will need but your looking at around £200-£250

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-VW-EOS-Aussenspiegel-Spiegel-anklappbar-1Q0_W0QQitemZ170462362954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item27b0593d4a#ht_2145wt_958 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-VW-EOS-Aussenspiegel-Spiegel-anklappbar-1Q0_W0QQitemZ170462362954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item27b0593d4a#ht_2145wt_958)

That german breakers usually has them in plus loads of other really useful stuff.

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 07, 2010, 08:00:57 pm
I'm in the process of doing the upgrade (well once the parcel that DHL lost between Germany and the UK turns up - they finally found it in Holland this week) with both folding and puddle lights

You need a new mirror switch, new powered folding mirror assemblies and new regulator modules

Depending on the year of your ED30 depends on which model of regulator modules are required. The controllers may require recoding after fitting

I struggled to to find new regulator modules, mines a 08 car so it requires the 3 gen modules

If you have a vagcom scan of your car, it will tell you which version you currently have fitted
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: u01atc8 on April 07, 2010, 08:53:32 pm
Is this possible to do on a mk5 1.9 TDi?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: TurboTrev on April 07, 2010, 10:26:53 pm
Cheers for the replies guys.

So Turbotrev, it is feasible then? Looking at that link by Moschops it doesn't really look possible!

Would these do http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK5-2004-DOOR-MIRROR-ELECTRIC-FOLDING_W0QQitemZ170153367477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item279dee57b5 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK5-2004-DOOR-MIRROR-ELECTRIC-FOLDING_W0QQitemZ170153367477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item279dee57b5)

What's the control unit? Where's it located & what's it look like - any pics/part no./info etc? Is the interior switch just a straight swap then? So I don't need to do any extra wiring or any VAG COM or anything?

Cheers
Steve



No pics I'm afraid.  The control module is in the door (interior door card needs to be removed to get to it) - the mirror wires plug into it.  No extra wiring is required.  The interior switch is a straight swap.  Maybe I was lucky, but I just swopped mine over and everything worked staightaway without any coding.  To be safe I think you would need all the "new" bits to be the same year as your own car.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 08, 2010, 10:07:49 am
I'm in the process of doing the upgrade (well once the parcel that DHL lost between Germany and the UK turns up - they finally found it in Holland this week) with both folding and puddle lights

You need a new mirror switch, new powered folding mirror assemblies and new regulator modules

Depending on the year of your ED30 depends on which model of regulator modules are required. The controllers may require recoding after fitting

I struggled to to find new regulator modules, mines a 08 car so it requires the 3 gen modules

If you have a vagcom scan of your car, it will tell you which version you currently have fitted

OK, cheers. Can you let us know how you get on please - maybe even with some pics as you're doing it? :happy2:
So where did you get your bits from (esp. the modules) & how much did they cost (if you don't mind me asking)?. My car is a 57 reg, MY08, car so I guess I'll need the 3 gen modules too? Unfortunately I don't have vagcom so can't do a scan to find out.

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 08, 2010, 10:24:06 am


No pics I'm afraid.  The control module is in the door (interior door card needs to be removed to get to it) - the mirror wires plug into it.  No extra wiring is required.  The interior switch is a straight swap.  Maybe I was lucky, but I just swopped mine over and everything worked staightaway without any coding.  To be safe I think you would need all the "new" bits to be the same year as your own car.

Cheers mate. What age/year is your car? Sounds like you where lucky, but I think you're right - I 'just' need to find the bits from a 57 (MY08) car and hopefully it'll be an easy swap. Fingers crossed! Incidentally, how easy was it to remove the door cards?

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: TurboTrev on April 08, 2010, 03:29:27 pm


No pics I'm afraid.  The control module is in the door (interior door card needs to be removed to get to it) - the mirror wires plug into it.  No extra wiring is required.  The interior switch is a straight swap.  Maybe I was lucky, but I just swopped mine over and everything worked staightaway without any coding.  To be safe I think you would need all the "new" bits to be the same year as your own car.

Cheers mate. What age/year is your car? Sounds like you where lucky, but I think you're right - I 'just' need to find the bits from a 57 (MY08) car and hopefully it'll be an easy swap. Fingers crossed! Incidentally, how easy was it to remove the door cards?

Steve
My cars a 2008 3 door Edition 30.  I think you also need to make sure the parts come off a car with the same number of doors.  Removal of the door cars is not too bad, but a plastic trim removal tool is best used.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 08, 2010, 07:58:18 pm

OK, cheers. Can you let us know how you get on please - maybe even with some pics as you're doing it? :happy2:
So where did you get your bits from (esp. the modules) & how much did they cost (if you don't mind me asking)?. My car is a 57 reg, MY08, car so I guess I'll need the 3 gen modules too? Unfortunately I don't have vagcom so can't do a scan to find out.

Steve

I'll get some pictures when I do mine

Mirror switch from the dealer - went for the Golf VI chrome version at £23

All the other parts picked up from ebay UK and DE

Folding Mirrors with puddle lights, passenger £35, Drivers £65 with the autodimming glass (the glass itself is around £200 from the dealer)

Window regulators , one from UK and the other from Germany - one was £30 and the other £60

ebay prices vary and a lot of the time the description of the mirrors doesn't tell you if they are electrically folding

Taken from vwvortex - the controllers

K Gen 2 Min NAR Jetta, Golf  01/05-09/05
L Gen 2 Max ROW Jetta, Golf Jetta 5/05-6/06, Golf 6/05-5/06
L Gen 2 Max NAR Jetta, Golf (all) 10/05->
L Gen 2 Max ROW, NAR Passat 3/05-5/06
M Gen 3 Min
N Gen 3 Max ROW Golf 5/06-> (2007 in VIN)
Q Gen 3 Max ROW Jetta, Golf Variant, NAR Jetta Wagon 7/06-> (2007 in VIN)
Q Gen 3 Max ROW, NAR Passat 5/06-> (2007 in VIN)

I had M controllers on both sides

I have 1K0959701N  for the passenger side and 1K0959702AG for the drivers side (hopefully it will work when DHL deliver it)

You will need to recode the controllers with the same functions as you currently have plus extra coding if you have the puddle lights.

Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 09, 2010, 10:53:45 am
Thanks for the info, that's great. Keep us updated on how you get on fitting yours  :happy2:

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Garth on April 09, 2010, 11:47:52 am
I have them as standard on mine and can honestly say they're pretty pointless!

They only fold in a couple of cm so not really much use at all. Mine have a mind of their own when trying to fold them back out (sometimes only one does, other times neither does) and I've heard that this is very common. I believe it's a CAN signal that tells them to fold in/out and I guess the signal doesn't always get there for some reason. It's very frustrating turning the switch repeatedly to try to get them to fold back so I've pretty much completely stopped using them altogether.

They do have the puddle lights in them though and they are nice  :grin:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: TurboTrev on April 09, 2010, 12:16:25 pm
I have them as standard on mine and can honestly say they're pretty pointless!

Pointless to you, worth every penny to me.  Everyone to their own. :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 09, 2010, 12:35:57 pm
I have them as standard on mine and can honestly say they're pretty pointless!

Pointless to you, worth every penny to me.  Everyone to their own. :happy2:

Absolutely. I had them on my previous MKV GTI and really miss them. They fold in just enough for me to get my car in the garage at night. I have to fold them in by hand every morning & night now  :sad1:

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 09, 2010, 05:45:48 pm
I have them as standard on mine and can honestly say they're pretty pointless!


They do have the puddle lights in them though and they are nice  :grin:

I want the puddle lights, the folding is just an extra while I am changing the mirrors over
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: jaffa666 on April 09, 2010, 10:14:43 pm
Think I have puddle lights, but dont think I have automatic folding mirrors, is that possible, if i turn the dial to the 12 oclock position, they dont fold in.
any ideas
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 09, 2010, 10:27:04 pm
Think I have puddle lights, but dont think I have automatic folding mirrors, is that possible, if i turn the dial to the 12 oclock position, they dont fold in.
any ideas


You can have the puddles without folding, two different options
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 16, 2010, 10:11:59 am
Hi,

Sorry, more questions for ya! I'm still trying to understand what I need and I want to make sure I get the right stuff!

So just to confirm, I gonna need :


And then everything should be a straight swap/plug & play and the auto-folding will just work but I will need vag com to enable the puddle lights? Also, is it the controller or the mirror (or both) the does the revers activated auto-dipping kerb view? As I don't want to loose that feature.

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 16, 2010, 10:23:56 am
Hi,

Sorry, more questions for ya! I'm still trying to understand what I need and I want to make sure I get the right stuff!

So just to confirm, I gonna need :


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And then everything should be a straight swap/plug & play and the auto-folding will just work but I will need vag com to enable the puddle lights? Also, is it the controller or the mirror (or both) the does the revers activated auto-dipping kerb view? As I don't want to loose that feature.

Cheers

Steve

Everything on the list looks good to me, don't know about the auto dipping mirror, as my 08 doesn't have that currently original mirrors

Its worth finding out the version of controllers you have fitted already before buying new ones
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 16, 2010, 10:57:14 am
Cheers, thanks.

Are you sure you haven't got the reverse activated auto dipping mirror? Mine is a 57 and it has it & I thought it was standard by then? I didn't think mine had it at first until I figured out how it actually works - you have to kinda set it up first!

Also, I've never bought from German eBay. Is it just then same as from UK eBay? Do I need to sign up or can I just my UK account and treat it as if I was buying from UK as normal? Are the German traders generally OK about dealing with us over here and do they generally speak English OK enough to email/ask questions etc?

Steve



Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 16, 2010, 03:43:27 pm
Cheers, thanks.

Are you sure you haven't got the reverse activated auto dipping mirror? Mine is a 57 and it has it & I thought it was standard by then? I didn't think mine had it at first until I figured out how it actually works - you have to kinda set it up first!

Also, I've never bought from German eBay. Is it just then same as from UK eBay? Do I need to sign up or can I just my UK account and treat it as if I was buying from UK as normal? Are the German traders generally OK about dealing with us over here and do they generally speak English OK enough to email/ask questions etc?

Steve


you can use your english account info on ebay.de, they are good at english in general, ask them about shipping before bidding, and chech they accept paypal.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 16, 2010, 10:40:31 pm


Also, I've never bought from German eBay. Is it just then same as from UK eBay? Do I need to sign up or can I just my UK account and treat it as if I was buying from UK as normal? Are the German traders generally OK about dealing with us over here and do they generally speak English OK enough to email/ask questions etc?

Steve



As Danishmkvgti says,

You can use your UK ebay account, not all German sellers accept paypal, and take note on the postage, its a lot more expensive for them to ship to the UK than the other way around.

Most Germans can communicate in English and will respond

I know a little German so I've always tried to ask them in German, but almost always they reply in far better English  :ashamed:


Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 26, 2010, 01:41:57 pm
Attempted to fit my folding mirrors with puddle lights over the weekend, and it didn't go as planned

Removing the door trims and the old mirrors was fine, plenty of guides on the net
I recommend using a magnetic torx bit otherwise there is a high risk of dropping the bolts for the mirrors into the interior of the door, never to be seen again  :scared:

As mine is a MY08 car I needed 3 GEN controllers

so I picked up the following

1K0959701N - drivers door
1K0959702AG - passenger door

In VCDS on both modules there is the long coding to enable folding mirror (for MY08) cars (this option isn't available/needed for 2 GEN controllers and I haven't seen any mention of it on any forum)

On the 1K0959702AG it accepted the coding for folding mirrors

Installed the passenger mirror, but when folding it goes forwards and not into the car and doesn't appear to lock into position when in the normal mirror position, I'm sure it was fine before attached to the car  :confused:

When trying to enable folding mirror on the drivers controller 1K0959701N, it fails, coding not accepted  :scared:, apart from not folding the mirror appears to be fine and doesn't suffer the 'loose' action of the passenger mirror

On a plus point the puddle lights look pretty good, just need non yellow bulbs  :sick:

Going to have to take another look at the passenger mirror, and investigate further the drivers controller  :sad1:

And apologies to Scott, I wasn't in the mood to talk to anyone after discovering all these problems after spending so obtaining all the parts
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: gtlee on April 26, 2010, 03:22:45 pm
cameluk ,

Hi mate I've got the folding mirrors on my car,its a 08 same years as yours.
I've got the vcds printout regarding controllers hope this helps in anyway.

lee.

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AL    HW: 1K0 959 701 AL
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1204 
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1220 
   Coding: 0000950
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 26, 2010, 05:44:48 pm
This is what VCDS gives me  :confused:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fcameluk%2Fr32%2Fgen3.jpg&hash=f3c89476aa20724a4869110ed01c9a1a144c6a13)
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: gtlee on April 26, 2010, 06:21:07 pm
I'm a newbie with the vcds cable so don't shoot me down,did you code the drivers controller as well as the above pic is only the passenger side.
I'll have a look at my coding on mine if you like? :smiley:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2010, 06:32:03 pm
topic related, could someone with a standard gti from about 12 month 05 (06 model) which have folding mirrors and puddlelights and reverse function via VCDS give me the info (ETKA numbers) on their motors in the doors, so i know which to get for mine??   :drinking:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on April 26, 2010, 06:58:28 pm
Hi jake this is what i have on my 2006 golf :happy2:
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 L
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2444 
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0172 
   Coding: 0000054
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

scott :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2010, 07:06:40 pm
Hi jake this is what i have on my 2006 golf :happy2:
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 L
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2444 
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0172 
   Coding: 0000054
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

scott :happy2:

Thx Golfman, and you have the above luxuries :happy2:??
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on April 26, 2010, 08:05:38 pm
I certainly doo jake electric folding/heated/auto dimming mirrors :happy2:
can't doo without them now they are fantastic :pomppomp:

scott
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2010, 09:52:05 pm
I certainly doo jake electric folding/heated/auto dimming mirrors :happy2:
can't doo without them now they are fantastic :pomppomp:

scott

I soooo envy you Scott  :booty:  :grin:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 26, 2010, 11:51:44 pm
I'm a newbie with the vcds cable so don't shoot me down,did you code the drivers controller as well as the above pic is only the passenger side.
I'll have a look at my coding on mine if you like? :smiley:

Drivers side gives me the same options

Yes please if you have GEN 3 controllers  :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 27, 2010, 02:48:34 pm
Looking at ETKA and using the usefull tools at http://igorweb.org/equidec/Default.aspx to decode the models there appears to be 5 different versions of the drivers controller  :rolleye:


Looks like I have the wrong drivers controller

6XC = Exterior mirrors: electrically adjustable
6XN = Exterior mirrors: electrically adjustable, separately heated
6XG = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable/heated
6XT = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, automatically dimming, electrically foldable/adjustable, separately heated
6XQ = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically foldable/adjustable, separately heated

then on top of this there are the other options

9Q0 = Without multi-function display/ on-board computer
9Q1 = Multi-function display/on-board computer
9Q2 = Multi-function display/on-board computerwith check control
9Q4 = Multi-function display/on-board computerwith check control
9Q5 = Multi-function display with control

 :confused:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on April 28, 2010, 04:16:19 pm
oh 'ek! Not as simple as I thought then! Thanks for the update & info cameluk  :happy2:

I've got me mirrors & switch now but not the controllers yet. Mine is a MY08 too so what are the part numbers for the controllers that I'm gonna need? I'm thought it was  1K0 959 701N or Q  for the driver's side & 1K0 959 702N  for the passenger's. Is that not right then?

Steve.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on April 28, 2010, 05:44:02 pm
Some info for you guys :happy2:
http://www.my-gti.com/2158/volkswagen-golf-jetta-door-controller-information-mark-v

cheers

scott
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 28, 2010, 10:10:14 pm
oh 'ek! Not as simple as I thought then! Thanks for the update & info cameluk  :happy2:

I've got me mirrors & switch now but not the controllers yet. Mine is a MY08 too so what are the part numbers for the controllers that I'm gonna need? I'm thought it was  1K0 959 701N or Q  for the driver's side & 1K0 959 702N  for the passenger's. Is that not right then?

Steve.

The part numbers appear to be correct, but ETKA lists colour codes for the various options i.e 1K0959701N Z72 is drivers door, with folding mirrors + auto dimming + memory if I translate the model codes correctly, the one I got as 1K0959701N Z6R which works out to be 6XG = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable/heated,  with which I can't get it to accept the coding for the folding mirrors so it appears against advice I can find about 3 GEN controllers, that the colour code is important

All I have to do is try and working out the meaning of the following options

9Q0 = Without multi-function display/ on-board computer
9Q1 = Multi-function display/on-board computer
9Q2 = Multi-function display/on-board computerwith check control
9Q4 = Multi-function display/on-board computerwith check control
9Q5 = Multi-function display with control
 

:rolleye:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Neimad on April 30, 2010, 06:39:08 pm
I'm quite interested in this mod myself but given that the option was only £120 at the time I think if I do it it'll have to be on a budget.

I do have a few questions though (seems like that's all I ever have!), not sure if anyone can answer them but here goes anyway:


Thanks!

Damien
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on April 30, 2010, 08:03:24 pm


  • Finally, VCDS shows my current door controllers to be "M" versions, which from what I can find on the 'net appears to be the first of the GEN3's, albeit they are only "MIN" and will need replacing with a "MAX" version.  If they are GEN3 then I guess I'll need an "N", "Q" or later version but I don't know for sure -- is there any way to tell whether it's definitely GEN3?



M are Gen 3 min spec

ETKA has two separate sections for LHD and RHD versions, the final part of the part numbers are not the same[/list]
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Neimad on May 01, 2010, 03:21:50 pm
M are Gen 3 min spec

ETKA has two separate sections for LHD and RHD versions, the final part of the part numbers are not the same[/list]

Is the "full" part number on any of the parts you bought?  The reason I ask is because if it's not it could just be a case of parts pre-programmed for a specific market (LHD or RHD)?

Damien
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on May 20, 2010, 01:07:23 pm
Finnaly fitted a new drivers control module and the drivers mirror now folds  :pomppomp:  :pomppomp:

Ordered 1K0 959 701 N Z72

VW delivered the replacement part 1K0 959 701 AG Z0X £177 + VAT

Just got to resolve the passenger mirror which doesn't appear to hold its position even when moving by hand  :surprised:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on May 20, 2010, 03:49:00 pm
Finnaly fitted a new drivers control module and the drivers mirror now folds  :pomppomp:  :pomppomp:

Ordered 1K0 959 701 N Z72

VW delivered the replacement part 1K0 959 701 AG Z0X £117 + VAT

Just got to resolve the passenger mirror which doesn't appear to hold its position even when moving by hand  :surprised:

Congrats!  :congrats:

I'm still trying to source the control modules for mine :( £274  (both sides inc vat) seems a little much for me so I hope I don't have to resort to buying from VW

I have fitted the mirrors now & have the ambient lighting working but not the folding option (thanks to mortygttdi for trying) . My current controllers wouldn't accept it - even tho they have the part no 1K0 959 701 N (but no Zxx no. after it). Currently I'm driving around with no door cards on like some kind of stripped out racer!!

So which part no. should I be looking for?  1K0 959 701 N Z72 or 1K0 959 701 AG Z0X? Any chance you could post a photo of it, which the part nos on? Do you know if 1K0 959 701 N Z77 would work? Cos there's one on ebay at the mo [ebay]200472863628[/ebay]

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on May 20, 2010, 05:20:08 pm
No photos I'm afraid as the door card is back on

1K0 959 701 AG Z0X was on the module and on the VAG box, but thats not listed in ETKA which is why I ordered ordered 1K0 959 701 N Z72

1K0 959 701 N Z77 won't do it comes up with 6XG = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable/heated, its missing the electrically  foldable option

where as 1K0 959 701 N Z72 comes up with 6XQ = Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically foldable/adjustable, separately heated

Whereas the older Gen 2 modules did everything, they have split up the Gen 3 into more individual  options
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on May 20, 2010, 11:25:50 pm
Cheers thanks for that. My quest continues!

So what about the passenger side is that 1K0 959 702 N Z72 then?

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on May 21, 2010, 01:06:01 am
Nothing as simple as that

1K0 959 702 N Z7B  is listed for 07 cars
1K0 959 702 AG Z1S is listed for 08 cars

 :confused:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on May 24, 2010, 09:48:08 pm
Finally got both mirrors folding with the ambient lighting, after replacing a dodgy passenger mirror assembly and all my speakers work after reconnecting the passenger tweeter connector  :ashamed:

1K0959701N Z72   Drivers Controller
1K0959702AG Z1R   Passenger Controller

 :jumpmove:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on May 24, 2010, 10:16:54 pm
Finally got both mirrors folding with the ambient lighting, after replacing a dodgy passenger mirror assembly and all my speakers work after reconnecting the passenger tweeter connector  :ashamed:

1K0959701N Z72   Drivers Controller
1K0959702AG Z1R   Passenger Controller

 :jumpmove:
Well done barry i think the electric folding mirrors are 8)
enjoy folding all the time even though you don't need too :congrats:

scott
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on May 26, 2010, 08:56:38 am
Finally got both mirrors folding with the ambient lighting, after replacing a dodgy passenger mirror assembly and all my speakers work after reconnecting the passenger tweeter connector  :ashamed:

1K0959701N Z72   Drivers Controller
1K0959702AG Z1R   Passenger Controller

 :jumpmove:

Well done  :congrats: enjoy!

Thanks for the controller part nos. My dealer wants £167 + vat for each one  :surprised: ouch! Hopefully I'll eventually find some on ebay / dismantlers etc one day

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 07, 2010, 03:41:26 pm
Hi guys great info...

wish i would have stumbled across this forum about a week ago when i ordered my new mirrors fold/tilt(reversing)/illuminated...i naturally assumed the controllers would be the correct ones or ones that would just work....oh dear there "m", great!!!! now I'll be checking out eBay UK and Germany to try and get the correct ones really hacked off no doubt I'll be bidding up against some of you guys  :smiley:

might just bite the bullet and buy from vw but at 400 quid its quite steep just for a bit of electronics and a motor.

great info once again

first post so nice to meet you all

Simon
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: animal on June 07, 2010, 03:43:13 pm
Another fridge owner? Welcome.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 07, 2010, 03:46:29 pm
Another fridge owner? Welcome.  :happy2:

Thank you, mate.

whats the fridge thing mean something to do with R32 i bet  :smiley:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Moschops on June 07, 2010, 03:48:22 pm
Another fridge owner? Welcome.  :happy2:

Thank you, mate.

whats the fridge thing mean something to do with R32 i bet  :smiley:

Yup lardy and overwieght.... :sad1:  Especially if it's a white one... :signLOL:

Welcome to forum by the way, spotted your ID on R32oc to.. :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: animal on June 07, 2010, 03:49:15 pm
Heavy but cool!  :wink: Mine's silver, SMEG badge for the tailgate is on back order.

'Chops, what name do you go by on R32OC?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 07, 2010, 03:55:04 pm
Another fridge owner? Welcome.  :happy2:

Thank you, mate.

whats the fridge thing mean something to do with R32 i bet  :smiley:

Yup lardy and overwieght.... :sad1:  Especially if it's a white one... :signLOL:

Welcome to forum by the way, spotted your ID on R32oc to.. :happy2:

oh i get now doh!! yes it is a bit, but its just a great car like all golfs well virtually all. i'm more intrested in all the extra's / gadgets rather than engine/suspension/brake/seed mod's so got it on a whim and really like it didn't know anything about VW before had a vectra and 306 before not really been a into cars since about 23 now 36 and got bug again.
 
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Moschops on June 07, 2010, 03:56:28 pm
Heavy but cool!  :wink: Mine's silver, SMEG badge for the tailgate is on back order.

'Chops, what name do you go by on R32OC?

Moschops.... :happy2: But don't have the signature at the bottom like on here..you got PM.. :smiley:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on June 07, 2010, 04:09:59 pm


Whereas the older Gen 2 modules did everything, they have split up the Gen 3 into more individual  options

So Camel if you have Gen 2 controllers in your door (I assume these were on the older Mk5's) then you just need the suitable mirror housing folding/lighting and some VCDS magic?
Title: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on June 08, 2010, 03:58:08 am
I don't think there are different gen 2 controllers apart from a min and max controller, certainly there isn't the option in the coding to enable folding - they just do it with the correct mirrors
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on June 08, 2010, 09:31:56 am
I don't think there are different gen 2 controllers apart from a min and max controller, certainly there isn't the option in the coding to enable folding - they just do it with the correct mirrors

Will have to have a look at my control modules then, see which level and Gen they are, if its simple then could be added to my list of mods to do!

I guess gen 2 max controllers are the right ones to deal with all the extra functionality, 2 folding mirrors with lights, and a new switch if I have gen 2.  Sound about right?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on June 08, 2010, 12:09:30 pm
Yes you need either Gen 2 Max or Gen 3 Max (with options) to get folding mirrors, I believe all versions support the puddle lights in the bottom of the mirrors

No VCDS coding required for Gen 2 for folding mirrors

You can't easily swap Gen 2/Gen 3 regulators over as VW modified the door wiring between the generations and moved all the pins around
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on June 08, 2010, 02:41:50 pm
Cheers Camel willhave a look at what ive got, will hope for some gen 2 max controllers  :wink:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on June 08, 2010, 02:52:13 pm
Gen 2 Max modules are far easier to locate on ebay
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 08, 2010, 07:49:03 pm
i see from some i've seen on ebay that on gen 3 controller has part number also on the electronic bit as well, i see from ETKA you cant just get that bit seperate, but as i have "M" controller the number is 1k0959793J all the ones i see on ebay uk/de/com the "N" controller version has 1k0959793k  so my question is guys does the paint code really matter as i'm trying to find a cheap way to get the part i need for my new mirrors.

cheers guys
Title: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on June 08, 2010, 08:33:11 pm
Colour code park of ETKA is important for the function, I tried two different modules for the drivers side, both were N, one folded the mirror, the other refused the coding, only difference was the last 3 characters of the part number (after the N)
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 08, 2010, 08:40:32 pm
thanks mate, i didn't think it was really that important looks like there really few and far between on ebay etc so probably going to have to buy each side now from VW, oh well joy...
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on June 17, 2010, 10:54:14 am
Hi,

I'm still trying to find the controllers for mine & trying to resist buying them new from a dealer!

So does anyone know if by any chance these will fit my 2008 Golf (MK 5 obviously) currently with Gen3 controllers (1K0 959 701N) , and so give me folding mirrors? [ebay]330438844186[/ebay] - Google translates to "Door control unit control part for Foldable Mirror Golf 6"

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on June 17, 2010, 12:35:01 pm
The only think I know about those ebay ones is that you can't use a LHD passenger controller in a RHD passenger door as the mirror will fold opposite to normal i.e will be in the normal position when you select fold on the switch, don't know if you can use a LHD passenger controller as a RHD drivers controller  :sad1:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 21, 2010, 05:58:00 am
Here is a quick guide of adding folding / reverse tilting mirrors its not to hard to do but expensive. Most R32's that didn't have lux pack 1 or 2 or OEM rear

parking sensors do not have fitted folding mirrors or the function of it tilting toward the kerb when reverse is selected as a bonus upgrading will also give you

puddle lights, the mirrors i ordered were

1K2 857 507 BA 9B9   £146  1K2 857 508 AE 9B9  £146

this gives you electric adjustment,heated,folding,puddle lights and memory function for the passenger one for the titling. Now the annoyoing and EXPENSIVE

bit if your car just has electric operated and heated mirrors the door controllers will not be compatable with your shiny new mirrors these will also need

updating which has now doubled the price of what you've just paid for the mirrors.

door controllers i bought were the top one for passenger side and second to top one for drivers side (no anti dazzle drivers side mirror as glass costs £260)

1K0 959 701 AG Z0Y  £188  1K0 959 702 AG Z32  £178   i did get a bit of a discount on these so may be a tad more expensive.

last you will need a new mirror switch for your door panel 1K0 959 565 J REH

now for the fitting remove the door panels

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–   Switch off ignition.
–   Using a removal wedge -3409-, lever upper part of door handle recess -1- upwards out of mountings in door.
–   Depending on vehicle equipment, disconnect wiring harnesses from upper part of door handle recess.
–   Remove the two bolts -2- in area of grip moulding (4 Nm).
–   Remove bolt -3- and the three bolts -4- (2 Nm).
–   Using removal pliers -3392-, release bottom section of door trim from mountings.
–   Using removal pliers -3392-, release sides of door trim from mountings.
–   Pull door trim upwards vertically out of window slot.
–   If vehicle is equipped with a radio system, disconnect wiring harness from loudspeaker.
–   Disconnect wiring harness of door trim from door control unit.
–   Detach Bowden cable -5- from interior door handle mechanism -6-.
–   Remove bolt -7- (2 Nm) and lever triangular mirror cover -8- out of fasteners using removal wedge -3409-.
–   If vehicle is equipped with a radio system, disconnect loudspeaker wiring harness from cover.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fdoors%2Fpassengerdoor.jpg&hash=ee60a0979ed8104ca830c0692d8201c65b3053ff)

Removing
–   Switch off ignition.
–   Using a removal wedge -3409-, lever upper part of handle recess -1- out of door handle in door trim.
–   Remove bolts -2- and -3- (4 Nm).
–   Remove bolt -4- and the three bolts -5- (2 Nm).
–   Using removal pliers -3392-, release bottom section of door trim from mountings.
–   Using removal pliers -3392-, release sides of door trim from mountings.
–   Pull door trim upwards vertically out of window slot.
–   If vehicle is equipped with a radio system, disconnect wiring harness from loudspeaker.
–   Disconnect wiring harness of door trim from door control unit.
–   Detach Bowden cable -6- from interior door handle mechanism -7-.
–   Remove bolt -8- (2 Nm) and lever triangular mirror cover -9- out of fasteners using wedge -3409-.
–   If vehicle is equipped with a radio system, disconnect loudspeaker wiring harness from cover.


now remove the mirrors, when removing the mirror screws put a piece of bluetak on the end of your torx driver to stop it falling inside the door.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fdoors%2Fwingmirror.jpg&hash=c79ba9b4ad03576a2da6f1c4feb5b5ea0ffc98a7)

when the mirrors are off you will need to remove the glass and the colour coded cover ready to fit back on when there on the car not before.

refit the new mirrors, now we need to change the door controllers

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fdoors%2Fcontroller.jpg&hash=0bb5194e7970abedc12ddb9ce324c21d125703e4)

once this is done the coding needs to be donewith VAG-COM to allow all the functions to work, this is also a handy time when the door panels are off to

install new speakers/door exit entry warning lights/door handle illumination.

===add screen shots of VAG-COM===

test everything works before putting the panels back on.

job done.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on June 24, 2010, 02:53:38 pm
Hi. I've only just noticed your post. Nice one  :happy2: Wish you had posted that a month ago, it would have saved me a lot of time/effort/heartache! I'm currently driving around with no door cards on at the mo waiting for the door controllers to arrive at the dealers (at 170 per side, ouch!),  then I should be all done.  Still, it's a great summary of what's needed if anyone else wants to do it.

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on June 24, 2010, 05:48:04 pm
Hi seckles i only just caught this thread about 2 weeks ago and just thought f@@@ it i really want this mod believe me if i would have known that the controllers were not compatable i would never have started it as i to had to buy mirrors and controllers from dealer as ebay had nothing , still all in and working now so just need to pay credit card off lol. hope your install goes all ok
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on July 08, 2010, 10:49:54 am
HI,

HELP! The saga continues…

So I’ve finally got my door/window controllers (or what ever they are called) from VW (at a cost of 1 arm & 1 leg), installed them and everything worked great – the mirrors folded & everything. Yay! But then I discovered that the rear doors wouldn’t lock & I couldn’t open the rear windows – it was as if the car thought it was a 3 door rather than a 5 door car. I put the old controllers back in and the rear doors worked fine again, so I know it’s definitely something to do with the new controllers.

Darren (Mortygtdi) came round to help out & tried to recode the new controllers but, despite his best efforts, just couldn’t get the rear doors to work. So does anyone else know what’s going on & how to fix it? Can anyone give me a list of their settings for the controllers? The controllers are the new MK6 ones I believe – part nos I got are 1K0 959 701A/Z2P & 1K0 959 702A/ Z1P which I was reliably informed were the right ones by the VW dealer. Surely it’s just a coding issue isn’t it? There aren’t different ones for 3 / 5 doors are there?

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on July 09, 2010, 09:26:38 am
Hi Steve

My ETKA doesn't cover them part numbers so cannot check if there OK, when programming my doors up i had the option of adding if it was a five door car (i have 3 door), do you know if you had this option on VAG-COM when programming, it does look on the older models year 2010 in ETKA you had the choice to buy either 2 door or 4 door versions for the passenger side or drivers side but the main part number didn't change it was just the z number that was different if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on July 09, 2010, 10:13:05 am
Darren (mortygtdi) did the VAG-COM stuff for me so I don't know. But I do know he had to install the latest version to be able to code the new controllers and spent ages on it but just couldn't sort it!

I don't quite understand what you are saying tho! Are you saying it does look like there are 2 door & 4 door versions of these new controllers & i have probably got the 2 doors ones then?

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on July 09, 2010, 12:31:52 pm
Hi again steve, the 2010 car which should be the mark 6 does list seperate controllers for 2/4 door yes as does the mark 5, but my etka isn't bang upto date so i don't have your numbers on it for the controllers you have, i'd pop back to VW and make sure they gave you the correct ones, no big deal if there wrong as anything over 10 quid they can send back and get what you want so my dealer said anyway.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: seckles on July 15, 2010, 04:26:17 pm
The controllers I got are the right ones after all and we (i.e. Darren!) have now got the back doors working and the mirrors folding just fine :smiley: However, he just couldn't get the ambient lights & heaters working, well, not with out disabling some other function at the same time.  :confused:

So does anyone know the correct coding for these new mk6 controllers? or can anyone (e.g. cameluk ?) with the newer controllers give a dump of their settings please?

Thanks

Steve
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on August 06, 2010, 08:22:06 pm
hi guys

can you help?  i/m just getting my head around ETKA and get a different part number ever time.  i have door controllers 1k0 959 701N with a code of 692 on the drivers door.  as others the units wont accept +4096 to activate folding mirrors.  reading the posts it seems my N module wont operate the folding mirrors so the fun begins in find one that will.

i spent 30mins in vw and came up with nothing.  from the other posts it seems that 1k0 959 701 N Z72, now superceded will activate the mirror, but ETKA says this module is for a 2 door car.  i want 4 door?

also what the hell is automatic dimming? and do i want it? guessing no!  :stupid:

trying to use ETKA myself, my thinking is model 6XQ=electrically foldable,adjustable seperately heated.  that takes me to 1k0 959 701 Z78 which is now 1k0 959 701 AG Z0Z?

this differs from what VW told me (AG Z11) on the end (Z7A superceded),  which i think will work but not sure what the difference is?

can someone with a clue on ETKA help me out please??  if you brave you might like to take a punt at the passenger door?  :laugh:

thanks
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on August 07, 2010, 01:10:04 am
Auto dimming, means the glass should turn darker when the interior mirror dims, however check the price of the glass at £280. I can't get my retrofitted one to work in my 2008 car, currently thinking the cable is missing in the door

For a drivers controller  for a 4 door ;-

I think you want 1K0 959 701 N Z7A which has been replaced with 1K0 959 701 AG Z11

For the passenger side

I think 1K0 959 702 AG Z1Z which has been replaced with 1K0 959 702 Ag Z35, you will also get the benefit of this of having the passenger mirror dip when you select reverse and turn the mirror switch to L


Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on August 07, 2010, 11:03:21 am
Both controllers are now superseded to mk6 modules 5K0 959 701A Z01 & 5K0 959 702 Z02 I think thats the numbers off the top of my head?  coding on a 4 door car was

Drivers: 4790
Passengers: 5046

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on August 07, 2010, 05:42:41 pm
thanks for the posts guys!

@cameluk

the drivers folding mirror i have to go on came complete.  i noticed the glass doesnt have a outer convex part like the one on the car.  i am wondering if the mirror may be autodimming then?  is there an easy way to identify the glass?  

you also say you cant make your work, i recall reading somewhere that vw left out a wiring harness that prevent autodimming from working.  i dont understand this as the mirror assembly is hard wired to the controller which sits on the cam bus, so what could be missing?

the part number you give for the drivers side is the same as the vw dealer managed to guess at so that seems pretty good bet.  
the passenger side, vw guessed (and it was a guess) 1K0 959 702 (AG)? AZW?


@morttygttdi
does this info come from vw as ETKA doesnt find these part numbers?

thanks again guys! wishing i never started!! :rolleye:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: CAPTAIN BRITAIN on August 07, 2010, 06:13:05 pm
When i was looking for a GTI to buy i knew i really wanted one with the folding mirrors,
Even though they don't fold in much they are a boon if you park in a garage like i do with a 125cc scooter on one side and a sharp metal door shut on the other,
You should have seen the sate of the mirrors on my old Mk4 GTI.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: cameluk on August 07, 2010, 06:38:28 pm

the drivers folding mirror i have to go on came complete.  i noticed the glass doesnt have a outer convex part like the one on the car.  i am wondering if the mirror may be autodimming then?  is there an easy way to identify the glass?  

you also say you cant make your work, i recall reading somewhere that vw left out a wiring harness that prevent autodimming from working.  i dont understand this as the mirror assembly is hard wired to the controller which sits on the cam bus, so what could be missing?



Around the edge of a auto dimming mirror there is a 5mm band which is a different colour

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Elsawin shows direct wiring between the auto dimming interior mirror and the door mirror, I assume I am missing this wiring, but every time I take my door card off I forget to take a look  :ashamed:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on August 14, 2010, 10:44:16 pm
thanks!

can you change the door window regulator, like for like? or does it need vag com to get the module working?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on August 31, 2010, 11:14:22 pm
Can someone confirm to me something, been looking at controllers and the 1k0 959 701/2 pt number is on the motor not the controller, the pt no actually stuck to the controller is 1k0 959 792/3 is this right, also are the eos mirror units the same as the mkv?
cheers
James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on August 31, 2010, 11:37:22 pm
Your right in a way that they do have different part no but the main one is the motor?? The controller cannot be bought by itself :stupid: 

The Eos has a different base plate has does the passat although the actual mirror body is the same on all.

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 01, 2010, 04:05:10 am
Cheers Darren,
so the pt no on the controller is errelevent? people have mentioned buying stuff from german ebay but as they are LHD is any of it usefull, have found a full set for sale there, mirrors with puddle lights and folding, some with auto dim and kirb tilt, 1ko 959 701 Q controllers and the switch. apart from the auto dim can they not be coded for RHD and use my existing glass.

James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 01, 2010, 05:24:34 pm
The mirrors could be used but the controllers from a LHD are useless on our cars,  Its not the part no that you need to look at but the end 3 digits after the last letter i.e 1K0 959 701L Z04 this is what I have and although not giving mush info away with the letter but on ETKA it is a Max spec UK controller with folding and auto dimming.

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 01, 2010, 09:30:21 pm
Hi Me again sorry to be a right pain. would controllers from other vag cars work eg 1t0 959 701? alot of the controllers ive seen dont have the extra code after the pt number i.e just 1k0 959 701N, how do i know what the extra code is.

Why do the germans have to have LHD there are loads of cheap mirrors and controllers over there  :sad1:
cheers
James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 03, 2010, 04:10:36 pm
hi

I ordered 1k0 959 701 ag z11 as a drives door controller (4 door) from VW and today they supplied 5k0 959 701 AZ 2T.  i assumed this was wrong and was about to stomp back in when i reread mortygttdi's post again.  the 1k0 contollers it seems are superceeded by mk6 units.  the long code helper doesnt work for these units but again using mortygttdi's setting i have set the controller to 4790.  this brings the power retract and puddle to life....(thank god)

however, and here's my problem.  the mirrors retract using the switch, but dont fold on lock?  i assume they should and you dont have to turn the switch each time?? DO YOU???  :ashamed:



thanks
 
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 04, 2010, 10:17:48 pm
Dave the mirrors don't retract with the lock/unlock button only with the switch... :happy2:

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 05, 2010, 12:18:29 pm
Dave the mirrors don't retract with the lock/unlock button only with the switch... :happy2:

Darren

 :laugh: no way! well thats poor.  thanks for posting you controller codes.  the bin lid was off and the mirrors were heading to the land fill until i entered your codes.

my first upgrade success then!  :drinking:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 12:45:03 pm
where abouts on the mirror unit is the part number located ie. 1k2 857 507 BA, as i am requesting pt no from ebay sellers but they keep replying with numbers that dont mean anything on etka so want to point them in the right direction. Also can someone confirm the the controllers ending in "K" dont fold as i know from experience that some of the info posted on my-gti is wrong, they do the puddle lighting, warning lights and the handle lights, but doesnt show folding
Cheers
James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 05, 2010, 01:04:45 pm
James your controllers are the same has my original ones which were K and they are Min controllers so will not fold,  you need L controllers which is Max versions and will be fine for folding. 

I bought 1K0 959 701L Z04 for the drivers folding and it works perfect I cannot remember the passenger side part number but maybe something like 1K0 959 702L Z04?

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 01:10:48 pm
cheers i just wanted to confirm. What about the mirror pt no location, been trawling through google images but cant find anything!
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 05, 2010, 01:14:21 pm
I think its on the base of the mirror i.e the bit that connects to the car...?  Ill go have a look - I have some mirrors in the shed so should be able to find it for you.

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 01:19:02 pm
Cheers Darren, i think i might have found some but want to confirm the pt no with the seller but he cant hind the right number so want to tell him exactly where to look. :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 05, 2010, 01:31:18 pm
I've just thought on put a ad in the wanted section I know someone who maybe selling the folding mirrors with the switch :wink:

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 01:47:23 pm
Done!
the ones im looking at at the mo have the puddle lights but the seller cant confirm the folding as they havent been powered up and he cant find the right pt number, ive been through etka and according to that all mirrors with puddle lights are folding, but really wanted to confirm the pt number before buying

James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 05:24:35 pm
Darren, any luck with locating where the part number actually is?
James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 05, 2010, 05:29:55 pm
Yeh Jambo but no luck actually locating the number I've striped a full mirror down and there is no usual 1K0 number or any thing...?

Ill keep trying

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 05, 2010, 05:32:10 pm
Its ok Darren, thanks for all your help, i think ill just buy them if if they are wrong resell them on.

James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on September 07, 2010, 07:38:19 am
Will the 701M do the same as the 701K ie puddle lights, handle lights and warning lights but not fold, what about the kirb view is that only availible on the N&Q controllers
Ive just bought some mirrors and K controllers for a good price(if they are what ive been told they are, find out when they arrive) and according to ETKA and VW sparts guy any mirror with puddle lights is also capable of power fold and kirb view with the correct controller so trying to workout/decide if i need new controller for the kirb view/really need the folding!
cheers
James
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 07, 2010, 09:31:26 pm
Auto dimming, means the glass should turn darker when the interior mirror dims, however check the price of the glass at £280. I can't get my retrofitted one to work in my 2008 car, currently thinking the cable is missing in the door

For a drivers controller  for a 4 door ;-

I think you want 1K0 959 701 N Z7A which has been replaced with 1K0 959 701 AG Z11

For the passenger side

I think 1K0 959 702 AG Z1Z which has been replaced with 1K0 959 702 Ag Z35, you will also get the benefit of this of having the passenger mirror dip when you select reverse and turn the mirror switch to L





Cameluk

many thanks for your help.  the drivers side door regulator you suggested works a treat 1K0 959 701 AG Z11

i tried to order the passenger side but the vw dealer came up with a different number.  comparing the fitted to model on the right of ETKA he suggest 1k0 959 702 Z1X which is one away from your Z1Z?

Both numbers have been superceeded and eventually end up as a mk6 5k0 part number.  do you argree with vw or was there a reason you went with z1z.  i must admit i agree with you although thats maybe not worth too much givin my love of etka.



ps has anyone added door lights vice reflectors as fitted in the US?  i cant find any reference to those lights at all, but plenty of pictures from the states suggesting they exist

thanks for your help
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on September 07, 2010, 11:03:15 pm
Auto dimming, means the glass should turn darker when the interior mirror dims, however check the price of the glass at £280. I can't get my retrofitted one to work in my 2008 car, currently thinking the cable is missing in the door

For a drivers controller  for a 4 door ;-

I think you want 1K0 959 701 N Z7A which has been replaced with 1K0 959 701 AG Z11

For the passenger side

I think 1K0 959 702 AG Z1Z which has been replaced with 1K0 959 702 Ag Z35, you will also get the benefit of this of having the passenger mirror dip when you select reverse and turn the mirror switch to L





Cameluk

many thanks for your help.  the drivers side door regulator you suggested works a treat 1K0 959 701 AG Z11

i tried to order the passenger side but the vw dealer came up with a different number.  comparing the fitted to model on the right of ETKA he suggest 1k0 959 702 Z1X which is one away from your Z1Z?

Both numbers have been superceeded and eventually end up as a mk6 5k0 part number.  do you argree with vw or was there a reason you went with z1z.  i must admit i agree with you although thats maybe not worth too much givin my love of etka.



ps has anyone added door lights vice reflectors as fitted in the US?  i cant find any reference to those lights at all, but plenty of pictures from the states suggesting they exist

thanks for your help
Hi dave what year of car do you have?
cheers
scott
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 07, 2010, 11:52:11 pm
Z1X and Z1Z are more or less the same controller apart from a couple of options that don't affect the use of it.  Either way both controllers are superceded to Z1X is now 5K0 959 702A Z1T and Z1Z is now 5K0 959 702 Z1V both at £204.45 give or take a few quid for dealer changes.

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 08, 2010, 10:05:07 am

[/quote]
Hi dave what year of car do you have?
cheers
scott
[/quote]

08

@cameluk.  thanks.  i ended up at 5k0 959 702A Z1V as well.  thats the baby then!!

cheers guys
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 08, 2010, 08:40:14 pm
i've just noticed the part number stuck to the side of the controller is recognised by etka at £85.  is it impossible to find out the controller part number fitted to the new mk6 5K0 etc motor/regulators?  as it seems £100 is the motor which i dont really need??
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on September 08, 2010, 08:55:19 pm
The only person i know who has the new mk6 controllers is the OP, Steve(seckles) i didn't take much notice of the module number sorry, but if you can speak to Steve and persade him to take the door cards off his and see what the numbers are then bonus mate.

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 16, 2010, 10:27:19 pm
Both controllers are now superseded to mk6 modules 5K0 959 701A Z01 & 5K0 959 702 Z02 I think thats the numbers off the top of my head?  coding on a 4 door car was

Drivers: 4790
Passengers: 5046

Darren

darren, does this give reverse mirror postition when in reverse and then straighten up going forward on the passenger door??

thanks
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on September 17, 2010, 08:18:01 pm
the brand new door regulator i have fitted works fine, but gives fault codes for mirror movement hor/ver.  i've changed the mirror complete and it makes no odds.  is there some way of setting the sensing level within the controller or see what it is?  or is it just faulty??

thanks
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: M44NTU-3.2 on October 22, 2010, 10:59:20 pm
cameluk ,

Hi mate I've got the folding mirrors on my car,its a 08 same years as yours.
I've got the vcds printout regarding controllers hope this helps in anyway.

lee.

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AL    HW: 1K0 959 701 AL
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1204 
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1220 
   Coding: 0000950
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


hi hoping someone can help me, ive retrofitted folding mirrors a while back and only just recently bought a new switch (mirror ) from vw so i can actaully select the fold option

i went into vag-com and added the coding 4096 to my drivers door first and when i clicked save

it said coding rejected error 31 request out of range

so im pretty stumped to as why it wont accept the coding, because my part numbers are the same as the above for both sides driver and passenger

are my door controllers not got the folding capabilities


images included of my door controllers#

DRIVER

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Fdoordriver.jpg&hash=d8a6b81686a7cb2c3ff9152ef3799f5e7a3c743f)

PASSENGER

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Fpassengerdoor.jpg&hash=30e4ebe181463a0fddc16318dbbb7de3d88ec90d)

im also sure my mirrors are folding

because took the mirror cover off and could see extra wires coming out of where the turn mechanism is. part number for mirror are

driver side

1K2 857 502 EB 9B9

Passenger side

1K2 857 501 BL 9B9

rang the dealer up and gave him the part numbers and he said there are not coming up in the system,

also the date on the part number sticker said 10/04/2006 so they are off the early models

i wanted to find out that if they are actually folding mirrors not just mirrors with entry lights, but like i said im sure they are folding as my standard mirrors didnt have the extra wires that go into the turn mechanism inside the mirror( lol hope i make sense) and i may be wrong, cos when i bought them off ebay he said they are folding

anyways enough rambling cos im sure ive confused someone

any help is apreciated!


also on my standard  mirrors before i changed em i had the reverse kirb mirror, obvioulsy when i fitted the mirrors with puddle lights and i kept on getting this error

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Ffault.jpg&hash=3df53e27fca98b56c0c5fb46e8a6e6b58485f493)

just recently i took apart my old mirror and swapped the middle black unit that the mirror sits on and all the wiring for the mirror dipp and i added it to the mirror with the puddle light and the above error  went away, wiring was very easy, just followed the pin layout etc, but now i cant get it to dip when i select reverse, obvioulsy mirror switch is in left position, does anyone know if the mirror has to be re-calibrated, ive tried 3 or 4 differnt ways to make it learn, but it the mirror never goes back up. any help on this situation is aprecaited too lol, thanks
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: rich83 on October 22, 2010, 11:05:03 pm
Ive got them on me Edition and they are pretty naff TBH... they dont fold in that far and you have to manually fold them! If they folded up when you turned the ignition of id like them more!
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: M44NTU-3.2 on October 22, 2010, 11:15:19 pm
lol yea i know they dont fold in that much, but its bugging me that its not working lol, ive got ocd i think, i dont even ever fold my mirrors but i want it working so i can forget about it lol, its like a itch on my back that wont go away
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: daveangel on October 23, 2010, 10:54:06 am
cameluk ,

Hi mate I've got the folding mirrors on my car,its a 08 same years as yours.
I've got the vcds printout regarding controllers hope this helps in anyway.

lee.

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AL    HW: 1K0 959 701 AL
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1204  
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1220  
   Coding: 0000950
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


hi hoping someone can help me, ive retrofitted folding mirrors a while back and only just recently bought a new switch (mirror ) from vw so i can actaully select the fold option

i went into vag-com and added the coding 4096 to my drivers door first and when i clicked save

it said coding rejected error 31 request out of range

so im pretty stumped to as why it wont accept the coding, because my part numbers are the same as the above for both sides driver and passenger

are my door controllers not got the folding capabilities


images included of my door controllers#

DRIVER

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Fdoordriver.jpg&hash=d8a6b81686a7cb2c3ff9152ef3799f5e7a3c743f)

PASSENGER

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Fpassengerdoor.jpg&hash=30e4ebe181463a0fddc16318dbbb7de3d88ec90d)

im also sure my mirrors are folding

because took the mirror cover off and could see extra wires coming out of where the turn mechanism is. part number for mirror are

driver side

1K2 857 502 EB 9B9

Passenger side

1K2 857 501 BL 9B9

rang the dealer up and gave him the part numbers and he said there are not coming up in the system,

also the date on the part number sticker said 10/04/2006 so they are off the early models

i wanted to find out that if they are actually folding mirrors not just mirrors with entry lights, but like i said im sure they are folding as my standard mirrors didnt have the extra wires that go into the turn mechanism inside the mirror( lol hope i make sense) and i may be wrong, cos when i bought them off ebay he said they are folding

anyways enough rambling cos im sure ive confused someone

any help is apreciated!


also on my standard  mirrors before i changed em i had the reverse kirb mirror, obvioulsy when i fitted the mirrors with puddle lights and i kept on getting this error

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf282%2FM44NTU-32%2Ffault.jpg&hash=3df53e27fca98b56c0c5fb46e8a6e6b58485f493)

just recently i took apart my old mirror and swapped the middle black unit that the mirror sits on and all the wiring for the mirror dipp and i added it to the mirror with the puddle light and the above error  went away, wiring was very easy, just followed the pin layout etc, but now i cant get it to dip when i select reverse, obvioulsy mirror switch is in left position, does anyone know if the mirror has to be re-calibrated, ive tried 3 or 4 differnt ways to make it learn, but it the mirror never goes back up. any help on this situation is aprecaited too lol, thanks



i also had this problem.  i changed every part of the mirrot assembly out and it made no difference.  i eventually twigged that the mirror that came off had extra wires that enable the mirror to tild down when in reverse.  as far as i can see this would make no difference to the mirror glass motor but it was annoying me so i replaced the mirror with a new one specific to the controller on the window regulator.  the fault vanished never to retrun.  cant really explain it but check if the mirror you removed has about 4 extra wires, or see if your new mirror tilts in reverse with the switch in L.  

if the window regulator wont accept the coding as you increase to 4096 etc then the regulator does not support that feature.  the only way is to replace the regulator.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: M44NTU-3.2 on October 23, 2010, 09:50:10 pm
i transfered all the wires from my old mirror to the new mirror and the error disappeared, i also transfered the black circle box type thing that the mirror sits in, but i just cant get it to dip, the regulator can dip because the dip worked on my old mirrors, so just need to find out how to reprograme the mirror so it can dip again, need to adjust the mirror manually so it can learn that position, but unsure how to do it. also i thought my regulators would be able to fold, cos the part numbers are the same as the guy that has folding mirrors from factory, so im unsure again! lol, thanks for any help
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: JamboV6 on December 12, 2010, 01:19:29 pm
MAN44NTU-32 out of interest, the plug for the glass position motor, how many cables does it have?

Can i use 4door controllers on a 2 door? still trying to find controllers and they all seem to be 4door ones!
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 18, 2011, 02:56:36 pm
Hi jake this is what i have on my 2006 golf :happy2:
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 L
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2444 
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0172 
   Coding: 0000054
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200

No fault code found.

scott :happy2:

Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but spent the best part of today searching for suitable controllers on the bay and wanted to confirm some details with you if I can Scott.

I have managed to track down 1K0959702G and 1K0959702L controllers so GEN2 max to work with folding function but a couple of them state only suitable for 2 door is there a PR code or variance in the numbers or models that I need to check for to ensure they are 4 door compatible? Or were all GEN2 4 door compatible?

Also are you able to confirm if the mirror unit itself stayed the same between GEN2 and GEN3 controllers?  Or do I need to source 2004-2006 folding mirrors, or will any folding mirror be suitable?

Cheers for any confirmation people can provide.  :party:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danishmkvgti on February 18, 2011, 02:58:21 pm
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on February 18, 2011, 03:46:58 pm
Rich the 702G needs to be a 004 which is the folding for the passenger side, and 701L 004 is driver folding all the wing mirrors are the same right through the model years,

I have got the mirror dip working by re-wiring the passenger door controller, the only difference with the wiring from gen1/2 to gen3 is the central locking and the window button. once they are changed.

I now have folding with mirror dip, puddle lights and auto dazzle wing mirrors.

Both me and Scott have a spare passenger controller for 4 door folding.

Darren 
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 18, 2011, 03:57:37 pm
Cheers Darren, so I need to see one with PR code 004 for the driver side if you are interested in selling the passenger folding 4 door controller then I will take it off you.

If you get a GEN3 then you just need to change the window switches and the driver door handle for the central locking buttons.  Would rather stick with GEN2 if I can seems the GEN3 are needlessly complicated.

Have found a german seller with new electric folding mirrors for the passenger side rather cheap £65 delivered if anyone else is interested, just need to find a driver side mirror now.

Let me know regarding selling the controller.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on February 18, 2011, 04:34:03 pm
Cheers Darren, so I need to see one with PR code 004 for the driver side if you are interested in selling the passenger folding 4 door controller then I will take it off you.

If you get a GEN3 then you just need to change the window switches and the driver door handle for the central locking buttons.  Would rather stick with GEN2 if I can seems the GEN3 are needlessly complicated.

Have found a german seller with new electric folding mirrors for the passenger side rather cheap £65 delivered if anyone else is interested, just need to find a driver side mirror now.

Let me know regarding selling the controller.


Hi Rich If you look in the for sale section Scott has his controller in there, it maybe a couple of pages. 

The conversion from gen1/2 to gen3 is just 4 wires changing on the controller for the central locking and 3 wires moving for the window button.  nothing needs swapping over ie buttons or handles? you just need a mk6 controller that will do the options you need. 

I was lucky I got the controller for nothing off a mate who was breaking a mk6 GTI which I knew had the dipping, it was a bonus that the controller was a folding one :grin:

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 18, 2011, 05:02:04 pm
Cheers for the info Darren, just responded and PM'd Scott.   :notworthy:  Just need to find the other bits now for the drivers door dont want my passengers having puddle lights and not me!
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: golfman on February 18, 2011, 07:11:01 pm
Cheers Darren, so I need to see one with PR code 004 for the driver side if you are interested in selling the passenger folding 4 door controller then I will take it off you.

If you get a GEN3 then you just need to change the window switches and the driver door handle for the central locking buttons.  Would rather stick with GEN2 if I can seems the GEN3 are needlessly complicated.

Have found a german seller with new electric folding mirrors for the passenger side rather cheap £65 delivered if anyone else is interested, just need to find a driver side mirror now.

Let me know regarding selling the controller.


Rich check this one out!!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-Mk5-Passenger-Side-Door-Electric-Fold-Up-Mirror-/280629676645?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4156d50a65#ht_500wt_1156

scott :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 21, 2011, 10:00:08 am
Cheers for the link Scott, I bought one of these over the weekend works out as £64 after postage is brand new and comes with mirror glass.  Not sure if the glass is auto-dimming but I assume not for that price!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350399391930&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_843 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350399391930&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_843)

Will keep on hunting for driver side mirror and controller, have found an on-line supplier that sells the mirror for ~£90 and a controller for £85 but think I might be able to find cheaper if I keep on hunting  :wink:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 21, 2011, 02:30:49 pm
Scott Darren, would you know if this A3 part number is compatible with the MK5, its from the right period for a GEN2 and follows the same convention as the Golf number and the seller seems to think its a windscreen wiper unit so doesn't think its worth much money 8P0959801A > 8P0 959 801L.  Golf part number 1K0 959 701 L
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mortygttdi on February 21, 2011, 09:31:20 pm
Rich when it comes down to window controllers and the like I'm not sure if the coding would be the same...? I do have Audi a3 stuff on my car namely the xenon controller but that is now used on the Scirocco.

Wouldn't buy it if then you find it doesn't work unless its that cheap it worth a punt.

Darren
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 21, 2011, 10:05:52 pm
Rich when it comes down to window controllers and the like I'm not sure if the coding would be the same...? I do have Audi a3 stuff on my car namely the xenon controller but that is now used on the Scirocco.

Wouldn't buy it if then you find it doesn't work unless its that cheap it worth a punt.

Darren

Well its £45 so about same cost as the Left one but all the proper part numbers are going for double that... Will give it some thought and see if I can find out if it has the right coding abilities.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 25, 2011, 01:42:06 pm
So I have just had a little brown box with a driver door controller land on my dessk, although I was sure when buying it I am now not entirely convinced it is a max module and supports folding, I cant get ETKS to install due to error 7 hardlock not found.

Could someone check the functionality of the following part number

1K0959701C 004, I believe the L component superseded this controller and it should be a max controller with folding but confirmation would be appreciated.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: 182_blue on February 25, 2011, 04:12:35 pm
So I have just had a little brown box with a driver door controller land on my dessk, although I was sure when buying it I am now not entirely convinced it is a max module and supports folding, I cant get ETKS to install due to error 7 hardlock not found.

Could someone check the functionality of the following part number

1K0959701C 004, I believe the L component superseded this controller and it should be a max controller with folding but confirmation would be appreciated.  :smiley:

Possibly me but Etka says dropped on 1.12.2003 !

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2F182_blue%2FScreenshot2011-02-25at161510.png&hash=1ee832ce067fc87cf228709f49f7436637715820)
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Richn83 on February 25, 2011, 05:20:03 pm
So I have just had a little brown box with a driver door controller land on my dessk, although I was sure when buying it I am now not entirely convinced it is a max module and supports folding, I cant get ETKS to install due to error 7 hardlock not found.

Could someone check the functionality of the following part number

1K0959701C 004, I believe the L component superseded this controller and it should be a max controller with folding but confirmation would be appreciated.  :smiley:

Possibly me but Etka says dropped on 1.12.2003 !

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2F182_blue%2FScreenshot2011-02-25at161510.png&hash=1ee832ce067fc87cf228709f49f7436637715820)

Hmmm odd as its a MK5 part number and was broken from a 2004 car and the control unit has a date stamp that would match that 23.04.03.

So it says the G unit would be a suitable replacement part so G is a max which replaced the L units I think.  Can you look up 1K0 959 701 L see if that was also replaced by G?

Also does anyone know if EOS mirrors are compatible have seen them mentioned as potential donors for folding mirrors but I thought the wind screen rack was greater on the EOS so different fitting plastic.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: BetaOp9 on May 18, 2011, 07:18:51 am
Hey guys!

I've recently installed the Power Fold mirrors in my 2008 VW R32 US-Spec, the door controllers are the Gen 3 Min and am looking for the appropriate part number(s) that will work. It is left hand drive, two doors, and have had some trouble sourcing the correct part number in spite searching. Any help would be splendid. Thank you!

- Shawn
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Post by: BetaOp9 on August 19, 2011, 01:34:07 am
No one? :-(
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Post by: BetaOp9 on November 16, 2011, 02:44:01 am
TTT
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Post by: betox on July 08, 2012, 03:54:51 am
Hello Darren

Sorry for re open this post! Can you tell me what changes I have to do to place a Gen 3 on a Gen 2 Door controlller?
Mine is 3 doors MY06 with 1k0959701K/702K I have to mount 1k0959701N/702N when I placed its nothing worked (windows, links, door tank, etc) and the passenger door was permanently closed.

Many thanks for your help!

Alberto
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 04, 2013, 07:36:25 pm
Sorry to bring up and ancient thread, does anyone know where the door controllers are within vcds? Just want to check which ones i have!
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Post by: Eddie-NL on February 04, 2013, 07:41:05 pm
address 42 and 52
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 04, 2013, 07:51:04 pm
address 42 and 52

Cheers! Il have a go later. May need your services depending on what iv got!
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 04, 2013, 10:17:48 pm
Found them. 1k0 959 701/702 M. Any good for folding mirrors and puddle lights? Im guessing no!?
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Post by: marko on February 04, 2013, 10:23:05 pm
think you might be lucky there
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Post by: Eddie-NL on February 04, 2013, 10:24:59 pm
Found them. 1k0 959 701/702 M. Any good for folding mirrors and puddle lights? Im guessing no!?

No good,

If you do an autoscan, where the label fil is will tell if they are MIN or MAX

I'm sure M = Min
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 04, 2013, 10:25:56 pm
Damn! What do i need ideally and how much are they?
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Post by: SI-R32 on February 04, 2013, 10:47:47 pm
Some info here might be useful

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/40320-information-on-fitting-folding-mirrors/
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 06, 2013, 05:23:50 pm
Quick question. Would a 4 door controller work in a 2 door car and vice versa?
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Post by: JamboV6 on February 06, 2013, 06:32:53 pm
If you read the thread all the info is in there  :happy2:
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Post by: JoeDarKa on February 11, 2013, 04:40:25 pm
Iv been given some more part numbers:

1K0 959 701 AE Z06
1K0 959 701 AG Z04
1K0 959 701 AG Z16
1K0 959 701 N Z66
1K0 959 701 N Z69
1K0 959 701 N Z6R
1K0 959 701 Q Z4G

1K0 959 702 AG Z02
1K0 959 702 AG Z04
1K0 959 702 AG Z2S
1K0 959 702 K 011
1K0 959 702 N Z7S
1K0 959 702 Q Z50

Would ETKA be able to tell me tell which one is right?

Any ideas guys?
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 03, 2013, 07:14:41 pm
If i just wanted the puddle lights and not folding, do i still need to get better door controllers from my current M ones?
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Post by: danishmkvgti on March 03, 2013, 11:12:53 pm
If i just wanted the puddle lights and not folding, do i still need to get better door controllers from my current M ones?

Yup  :smiley:
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 04, 2013, 07:33:04 am
http://www.my-gti.com/2084/adding-door-puddle-lights-to-the-volkswagen-golf-and-jetta

The coding at the bottom of that suggests they are coding a M module. I know they are using aftermarket leds but cant be too hard with oem puddle light mirrors. Going to have a play tonight
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 04, 2013, 10:10:27 pm
Any other opinions?  :innocent:
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Post by: omeydz on March 04, 2013, 11:12:31 pm
I might have another set of power folding mirrors complete kit for 5dr or 3dr with puddle lights and auto dimming mirror glass (vv rare) available to sell soon. Motors are either GEN2 or 3 but need to find out.

Apparently Gen2 and 3 can be swapped with some small changes:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4902628-mk5-Jetta-swapping-door-controllers-Gen2-gt-Gen3 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4902628-mk5-Jetta-swapping-door-controllers-Gen2-gt-Gen3)
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 05, 2013, 06:24:24 am
Will you let me know please!
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Post by: omeydz on March 05, 2013, 05:02:28 pm
Will you let me know please!

PM'd and will be in touch in the next few days  :happy2:
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Post by: skard on March 05, 2013, 05:09:11 pm
Joe - I have GEN3 version (N) controllers, if that's any use to you?

On another note, anyone know why mirror dip on reverse would stop working (not been deactivated, switch on L etc). Just stopped working.
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 05, 2013, 05:18:05 pm
Ooo, do you know if they are gen 3 max ones?
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Post by: skard on March 05, 2013, 05:20:09 pm
Sorry mate I just reread that. I meant that's what's in the car for informational purposes & not available for sale  :ashamed:

But yeh they are GEN3 max.
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 05, 2013, 05:29:19 pm
Doh  :sad1:

Could you scan them for the full part number?
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Post by: skard on March 05, 2013, 05:31:39 pm
Doh  :sad1:

Could you scan them for the full part number?

1K0 959 701 N
1K0 959 702 N

Gen3 MAX
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 05, 2013, 05:35:06 pm
I was hoping they would have shown the final 3 letters of the part number, usually starts with a Z e.g. Z8Q or something.

Thanks for the help though  :happy2:
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Post by: omeydz on March 05, 2013, 05:49:33 pm
I was hoping they would have shown the final 3 letters of the part number, usually starts with a Z e.g. Z8Q or something.

Thanks for the help though  :happy2:

Last 3 letters/number dont show up on vagcom. some modules from factory cars dont have them either on stickers on the part. They are more for reorder from VW dealers for getting specs right.
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Post by: skard on March 05, 2013, 05:53:36 pm
It doesn't mate sorry, I'll be putting my door exit lights in but that won't be for a few weeks. Will grab the full PN should it be there if you still need it.
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Post by: RSam84 on March 05, 2013, 05:57:40 pm
Can only help. If not me, others!
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 06, 2013, 07:16:59 pm
Puddle lights work on my m module, coded them in and trial fitted them  :laugh: :grin:
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Post by: marko on March 11, 2013, 05:09:45 pm
is your car 5dr joe??
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Post by: JoeDarKa on March 11, 2013, 09:53:07 pm
Nopes, 3 door  :happy2:
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Post by: marko on March 11, 2013, 10:21:01 pm
well rule out Z5T and Z7B as they are for a 5 dr...
probably doesnt help much but there you go!!
 :wink

***702N Z5T being passenger side
***701N Z7B being driver side

coding of folding not required on my 07 5dr.
just ambient lights need to a few numbers

 :happy2:
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Post by: JamboV6 on June 02, 2013, 06:03:24 pm
Can anyone tell me if mk6 min controllers will do door warning lights, the wifes just got a my10 GTI 5dr and id like to put them in if they will support it. the mk6 forums are rubbish and no one ever goes on there.

cheers
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Post by: omeydz on June 02, 2013, 06:16:59 pm
Yep pretty sure they will if they do on mk5s!
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Post by: JamboV6 on August 12, 2013, 11:21:14 am
nice one never looked into just door lights on the mk5 as i needed everything for mine, will order some and see how it goes. :happy2:
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Post by: skard on September 09, 2013, 06:42:22 pm
I was hoping they would have shown the final 3 letters of the part number, usually starts with a Z e.g. Z8Q or something.

Thanks for the help though  :happy2:

Probably far too late but today I eventually took pics of the door controllers (in my sig), the controllers I have are Z5T (nearside) and Z73 (offside)
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Post by: mortygttdi on September 10, 2013, 02:28:24 am
Gen 3 5dr controllers will work on a 3dr has they are run by Lin bus which run through the central convenience module, just tick the box in central convenience for rear doors via Lin Bus
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Post by: JoeDarKa on September 10, 2013, 07:29:45 am
Iv given up as i couldnt find any!
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Post by: Rumple on September 10, 2013, 09:50:33 am
I don't even know where to begin with looking at these for a 2005 reg GTI  :scared: Everythings in german  :grin:
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Post by: mortygttdi on September 10, 2013, 02:12:42 pm
The above also needs a single wire running from each back door to the central convenience for the Lin Bus. Probably not even worth it over getting some dedicated 5dr modules.

Has for the Gen 3 wiring I am sure the only wires that needed changing where for the central locking has the power to them was in the wrong place.
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Post by: Biano44 on September 11, 2013, 02:26:28 pm
Puddle lights work on my m module, coded them in and trial fitted them  :laugh: :grin:

Joe,
Am I right in thinking that you have fitted the folding/puddle light mirrors to your car using the M (min) module?
Meaning you have puddle lights but no folding?

The reason I ask is that I have bought folding/puddle light Mirrors but Eddie NL has just advised me that I need new controllers.........and then I saw the price of them :fighting2:.
I only started this mod for the puddle lights so if they work off the M module, I might just settle for that.

Ta

Matt
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Post by: JoeDarKa on September 11, 2013, 07:38:52 pm
Puddle lights work on my m module, coded them in and trial fitted them  :laugh: :grin:

Joe,
Am I right in thinking that you have fitted the folding/puddle light mirrors to your car using the M (min) module?
Meaning you have puddle lights but no folding?

The reason I ask is that I have bought folding/puddle light Mirrors but Eddie NL has just advised me that I need new controllers.........and then I saw the price of them :fighting2:.
I only started this mod for the puddle lights so if they work off the M module, I might just settle for that.

Ta

Matt

Hi Matt, yep you are correct! Mine are the basic M min controllers. I saw the price of them too and it doesnt help there are thousands of superseeds (spelling) of the same single variation

I would try to code your current module, as some people say the M controller didnt work for them
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Post by: Biano44 on September 11, 2013, 08:49:30 pm
 :happy2:

Thanks Joe.
If you're ever in the Leicester area, please let me know. I would love to hear your sound system! :driver:

Ta
Matt
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Post by: JoeDarKa on September 11, 2013, 08:52:12 pm
:happy2:

Thanks Joe.
If you're ever in the Leicester area, please let me know. I would love to hear your sound system! :driver:

Ta
Matt

Iv hardly heard it myself as the cars away! Still messing with it to get enough bass but not too much so im deaf!
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Post by: JoeDarKa on October 06, 2015, 09:07:39 pm
Sorry to drag up a very old thread. Iv finally got round to fitting the door controllers that enable folding. Can anyone help?

My car = 2008 / 58. Had Min controllers that supported puddle lights but no folding.

New controllers:

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 G    HW: 1K0 959 793 M
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1126 
   Revision: 31008001    Serial number: 00000536078113
   Coding: 0000630
   Shop #: WSC 00787 210 95039
 
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 A    HW: 5K0 959 702 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114 
   Coding: 0004982
   Shop #: WSC 00152 210 91233

As you can see, the pass side is coded to 4982 or can be dropped down to 4726 (not fitted the drop down mirror motor yet). The controllers must be seat ones

However the drivers side doesn't accept the coding for folding, or anything much above what it is now. 

In reality

Drivers side = Power fold works off the internal switch, Puddle works if folded or not, the mirror itself is all backwards when controlled from the internal switch (left is down, right is up, up is right, down is left) Mirror folds off the key fob, auto window open and close has stopped working (think iv sorted that off an r32oc link http://www.r32oc.com/topic/44240-fold-mirrors-with-from-key-with-auto-closure/).

Passenger side = Power fold works off the internal switch, Puddle works if folded out but turns off when folded in, mirror control is fine when controlled from the internal switch, Mirror folds off the key fob, auto window is fine.

Im also now getting:

Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AJ
   Component:    KSG              0401 
   Coding: 19F802487F2D840F481AC69010CC
   Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200

2 Faults Found:
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

My 2 main issues are:

1. The backwards and weird control of the drivers mirror.
2. Why the passenger puddle light turns off when its folded in.

Any ideas? Im stumped so thinking i might just go back to my old motors and just fold my mirrors manually each time i go in the garage like iv been doing for ages! Cheers
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 06, 2015, 11:19:16 pm
A strange one this, out of interest if you replace the mirror positioning switch with the original (or a spare one), does the issue with the mixed controls still exist? One way to try and find/limit the problems.

I'm taking an interest in this as I need to retro fit folding mirrors to my Golf R so I may be able to offer more help once I source all the bits I need.
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Post by: SI-R32 on October 06, 2015, 11:21:21 pm
some people are going to jump in here and give me grief but depending on what year the passenger side controller is from (and from VW stock not Seat) the puddle light does go off, just weird programming of the units by VW, i've seen this on various folding mirror VW's depending on year, your just going to have to live with that bit sadly.

have you already cleared them faults but there still there as usually its only if you've had the controllers out and turned on the ignition it would bring them up, cancel them first should just go away.

of course something else of interest i've just thought of with regard to the mirror switch, it has one wire that tells the controller what to do, by using different resistors built into the switch the controller detects this and changes direction accordingly, perhaps the Seat module wants to see a Seat switch there, yes i would have thought should have been identical throughout range but may be different, its nothing to do with the coding and everything to do with the internal software which you have no control over.
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Post by: JoeDarKa on October 07, 2015, 12:55:18 pm
Cheers for the help. Il have a go at buying a new switch. Going to take my door skin off to do that link off r32, which i think you wrote si-r32!
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Post by: SI-R32 on October 07, 2015, 01:01:53 pm
Yes mate my little write up,  you got 3 door?
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Post by: JoeDarKa on October 07, 2015, 04:17:17 pm
Yep i have!
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Post by: SI-R32 on October 07, 2015, 04:18:01 pm
Nice and easy then
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Post by: Vwgticrazy on October 08, 2015, 08:39:05 pm
I've have these mirrors on my car are they worth much cus I don't use them.
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Post by: v4rley on October 08, 2015, 09:33:26 pm
I've have these mirrors on my car are they worth much cus I don't use them.

You don't use your mirrors  :surprised: changing motorway lanes must be interesting  :laugh:
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Post by: Vwgticrazy on October 09, 2015, 01:06:45 am
I've have these mirrors on my car are they worth much cus I don't use them.

You don't use your mirrors  :surprised: changing motorway lanes must be interesting  :laugh:
:signLOL:
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Post by: Kam88 on January 18, 2016, 10:57:44 pm
hi does anyone have part numbers for the door modules for a 5 door to make power folding mirrors work and puddle lights ?
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Post by: r5gtt on January 18, 2016, 11:30:18 pm
hi does anyone have part numbers for the door modules for a 5 door to make power folding mirrors work and puddle lights ?
check out the R32 Forum SI-R32 has a good write up on them.
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Post by: Kam88 on January 19, 2016, 10:01:56 am
hi does anyone have part numbers for the door modules for a 5 door to make power folding mirrors work and puddle lights ?
check out the R32 Forum SI-R32 has a good write up on them.

i did but really can't find any of the part numbers
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Post by: r5gtt on January 19, 2016, 01:27:17 pm
hi does anyone have part numbers for the door modules for a 5 door to make power folding mirrors work and puddle lights ?
check out the R32 Forum SI-R32 has a good write up on them.

i did but really can't find any of the part numbers
1T0 959 701G Z0A   superseeded by 1T0 859 701G Z14, 1T0 959 701G Z2G,  1T0 959 701L Z1M
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Post by: Nasir on January 19, 2016, 01:29:56 pm
Honestly, the folding mirrors are a little pointless. I have them on mine and whilst it's nice, the amount they fold in is feeble and not worth much effort.

The puddle light looks nice, but makes little sense when getting out of the car, because the mirror moves away and the door blocks its light (genius design). I think VW were too cheap to put lights in the reflector housings on the door.
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Post by: r5gtt on January 19, 2016, 01:37:27 pm
Nasir, I think they put the puddle lights in for when you're going to the car first thing or its been raining so you can look out for a puddle before treading in it.  :signLOL:
Pointless imho and the folders are useful if you've got a tight garage and don't want to get out of the car to fold them in. pain in the rear if you ask me. I wouldn't even waste a penny on things like that as they just cause extra stress.
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Post by: dazza on January 19, 2016, 01:49:09 pm
I'd be fuc*ed without them

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20151119_115113_resized.jpg&hash=68f57de887eec7d57e7f5f5901ff1918d6a506ec)
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Post by: AJG09 on January 19, 2016, 01:52:48 pm
I'd be fuc*ed without them

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20151119_115113_resized.jpg&hash=68f57de887eec7d57e7f5f5901ff1918d6a506ec)

Omg... I don't even trust myself to park like that  :congrats:
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Post by: r5gtt on January 19, 2016, 02:33:24 pm
I'd be fuc*ed without them

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20151119_115113_resized.jpg&hash=68f57de887eec7d57e7f5f5901ff1918d6a506ec)
That's yellow motors tyre looks like it's touching the concrete post.
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Post by: dazza on January 19, 2016, 02:44:40 pm
That's yellow motors tyre looks like it's touching the concrete post.
Nothing surprises me here mate.

I dread parking anywhere. The parking spaces are way to narrow. And when you park in the street someone will use your car as a parking sensor. Also its totally normal to use the car next to you as a door stop.  :fighting:

I'd love a respray but its pointless here.
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Post by: Nasir on January 19, 2016, 02:46:41 pm
Haha, well yes in that situation, folding mirrors are convenient. But the amount they fold is not great. It's a 'nice to have', 'wouldn't bother doing anything to get' it kind of feature.

Nasir, I think they put the puddle lights in for when you're going to the car first thing or its been raining so you can look out for a puddle before treading in it.  :signLOL:
Pointless imho and the folders are useful if you've got a tight garage and don't want to get out of the car to fold them in. pain in the rear if you ask me. I wouldn't even waste a penny on things like that as they just cause extra stress.

Yes it makes sense in that regard. Plus it does make the car look more 'premium'.
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Post by: dazza on January 19, 2016, 02:53:42 pm
I switched my puddle lights for LED's it makes a massive difference.

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Post by: r5gtt on January 19, 2016, 02:55:31 pm
That's yellow motors tyre looks like it's touching the concrete post.
Nothing surprises me here mate.

I dread parking anywhere. The parking spaces are way to narrow. And when you park in the street someone will use your car as a parking sensor. Also its totally normal to use the car next to you as a door stop.  :fighting:

I'd love a respray but its pointless here.
That's way too tight for parking bays  :surprised:

It's the same with parking anywhere mate. I park as far as possible when going to asda or any supermarket but when I get back, there's always a banger parked up right next to mine and it's quite bugging that you had to find my car to park near.

Also people do tend to use other cars as parking sensors or door strips and this is everywhere  :mad: can't drive park open a door without slamming it up against the next car?, then walk  :signLOL:
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Post by: r5gtt on January 19, 2016, 02:58:32 pm
Haha, well yes in that situation, folding mirrors are convenient. But the amount they fold is not great. It's a 'nice to have', 'wouldn't bother doing anything to get' it kind of feature.

If it was on the car that's cool and as you mentioned I wouldn't go out my way to have it fitted  :signLOL:

Nasir, I think they put the puddle lights in for when you're going to the car first thing or its been raining so you can look out for a puddle before treading in it.  :signLOL:
Pointless imho and the folders are useful if you've got a tight garage and don't want to get out of the car to fold them in. pain in the rear if you ask me. I wouldn't even waste a penny on things like that as they just cause extra stress.

Yes it makes sense in that regard. Plus it does make the car look more 'premium'.
They look good but as dazza said the led's would suit best as I've seem then on ebay when I first bought the golf and wondered where mine were  :stupid:
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Post by: Kam88 on January 20, 2016, 06:09:06 pm
i ordered some controllers see what happens guys ill let you know  :signLOL:
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Post by: r5gtt on January 20, 2016, 07:52:05 pm
i ordered some controllers see what happens guys ill let you know  :signLOL:
:happy2:
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Post by: Newbieintown on January 20, 2016, 10:42:29 pm
Hi
What part numbers did you use and where did you order them from please? Do you have a 3 or 5 dr gti?  Thanks
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Post by: r5gtt on January 20, 2016, 10:50:26 pm
Hi
What part numbers did you use and where did you order them from please? Do you have a 3 or 5 dr gti?  Thanks
Have a read of this 》》》

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/44240-fold-mirrors-with-from-key-with-auto-closure/
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Post by: Andy on January 20, 2016, 11:28:57 pm
well i always wanted to do this mod but lookin how far they fold in or not it would be pointless as my garage is pretty tight
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Post by: r5gtt on January 20, 2016, 11:34:40 pm
Funny how they don't make wider garages  :signLOL:
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Post by: Andy on January 20, 2016, 11:54:13 pm
Funny how they don't make wider garages  :signLOL:
yeah think they made them for the mini
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Post by: r5gtt on January 20, 2016, 11:59:55 pm
Funny how they don't make wider garages  :signLOL:
yeah think they made them for the mini
Which one the classic  :wink:
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Post by: irish_ram on April 02, 2016, 04:19:49 pm
Right So I am trying to work out if I have Power Mirrors but my VCDS scan show the parts below for modules. Seems like reading this post I have the right ones but could people confirm  :wink:

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AL    HW: 1K0 959 701 AL
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1204
   Coding: 0000694
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200


Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1220
   Coding: 0000950
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on April 03, 2016, 09:19:32 am
If you have folding mirrors the mirror switch will have the fold function on it,  if it doesn't then your mirrors won't fold,  they don't just have the motors in dormant until people want to use them.  But from your scan you do have max modules both sides so potentially these will work folding mirrors
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: irish_ram on April 03, 2016, 06:55:33 pm
If you have folding mirrors the mirror switch will have the fold function on it,  if it doesn't then your mirrors won't fold,  they don't just have the motors in dormant until people want to use them.  But from your scan you do have max modules both sides so potentially these will work folding mirrors

Yeah I have the normal manual switch and maybe not power folding but no way of checking really but the only reason I think maybe power folding is the Mag that used my car as the ED30 special piece said it had Luxury Pack which I believe includes power folding mirros
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: VWsweetheart on April 08, 2016, 05:52:33 pm
Hi all,

I've been doing a lot of extensive reading both on here and other forums regarding this mod. I have a US model year 2008 (made in Oct 2007) 3 door R32 and want to retrofit these on my car. However, we didn't get them in the US and from what I have read I need a very specific part number for the door controllers or else it won't work on my car. Also the number of doors matter too.

I have a line on a set from a 2005 Golf with 5 doors and I'm worried that the door controllers won't work on my car. I have read I need ones from a 3 door year 2007 or newer car. Is this true? I have read I also need Gen 3 MAX door controllers. I don't know yet what type these door control modules are.

Thanks very much for any help!
Katie
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: tdimac on June 19, 2016, 02:27:51 pm
Does anyone know if the GEN 3 max Q window controllers for the Jetta/ Golf variant or even Passat will work with a golf ? Just trying to find a slightly more cost effective way of retrofitting elec folding mirrors or whether I need to rob a bank to buy some GEN 3 max N ones.
Plus is fitting the Seat/Skoda window controller still the only way to get them to fold with the fob or has someone figured out how to alter firmware etc on the VW ones ? Just don't fancy having to go down the door skin off route to fit a bump stop if possible. :happy2:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danik on November 02, 2017, 01:11:44 pm
Hello all, this is my first post here and I need to share with you my experience!  :drinking:
I've read so many things out there for this retrofit. I must confess, this is the worst retrofit I've done to my car so far.

If you find a set from a totalled car, then it should be plug n play (depends on the gen of the car and the model year)
I was not lucky enough to find a complete set and I had to buy each part from different sellers.

It worked using a 701N module at the driver side and for the passenger side I had to try 6-7 different modules.
It was not working using a 702N module (K). I tried an AG module and it did the trick for me.
Everything work properly now, except the passenger side mirror puddle light. It is working properly ONLY when the mirror is open.
For a reason, each time the mirror folds, the light goes off. When I open the mirror the power comes back to the light.

Any ideas how to fix that?   :thinking:

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: SI-R32 on November 02, 2017, 10:45:08 pm
Hello all, this is my first post here and I need to share with you my experience!  :drinking:
I've read so many things out there for this retrofit. I must confess, this is the worst retrofit I've done to my car so far.

If you find a set from a totalled car, then it should be plug n play (depends on the gen of the car and the model year)
I was not lucky enough to find a complete set and I had to buy each part from different sellers.

It worked using a 701N module at the driver side and for the passenger side I had to try 6-7 different modules.
It was not working using a 702N module (K). I tried an AG module and it did the trick for me.
Everything work properly now, except the passenger side mirror puddle light. It is working properly ONLY when the mirror is open.
For a reason, each time the mirror folds, the light goes off. When I open the mirror the power comes back to the light.

Any ideas how to fix that?   :thinking:

Thanks in advance.
The puddle light coding is set in the firmware of the module, some modules  it stays on some modules it goes off when fold, nothing you can do but live with it
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Shoduchi on November 02, 2017, 11:05:05 pm
Hello all, this is my first post here and I need to share with you my experience!  :drinking:
I've read so many things out there for this retrofit. I must confess, this is the worst retrofit I've done to my car so far.

If you find a set from a totalled car, then it should be plug n play (depends on the gen of the car and the model year)
I was not lucky enough to find a complete set and I had to buy each part from different sellers.

It worked using a 701N module at the driver side and for the passenger side I had to try 6-7 different modules.
It was not working using a 702N module (K). I tried an AG module and it did the trick for me.
Everything work properly now, except the passenger side mirror puddle light. It is working properly ONLY when the mirror is open.
For a reason, each time the mirror folds, the light goes off. When I open the mirror the power comes back to the light.

Any ideas how to fix that?   :thinking:

Thanks in advance.
The puddle light coding is set in the firmware of the module, some modules  it stays on some modules it goes off when fold, nothing you can do but live with it

Someone with ODIS could recode the module's firmware. Maybe copy the whole firmware from a "good" known module to danik's module? :thinking:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: r5gtt on November 03, 2017, 01:14:18 am
I'm still upset that we can't make it fold on the Gen 2  :sad1:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: RetroRaz on November 03, 2017, 08:29:31 am
I'm still upset that we can't make it fold on the Gen 2  :sad1:
How about changing the driver side door card wiring to a gen 3 and fit a gen3 folding module? You will only need to swap about 4 pins on the power loom.

Thats where I ended up on my last golf but gave up before then lol

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Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: danik on November 03, 2017, 09:50:58 am
Quote
The puddle light coding is set in the firmware of the module, some modules  it stays on some modules it goes off when fold, nothing you can do but live with it

I've seen this function on the B6/B7 Passat models.
Probably the module I got is from a Jetta, AG with SW20XX or SW21XX, not sure 100%. 

Check this video (00:40-00:49), the light goes off for the passenger. 



Someone with ODIS could recode the module's firmware. Maybe copy the whole firmware from a "good" known module to danik's module? :thinking:


I have a friend with ODIS, but I am not sure if I can trust him. Do you know which one is the ODIS / VCP address for the puddle light?
Or what should I change? I think it's quite risky to start experimenting on a working module, but I will give it a try..   :thinking:

When I unlock the car with the mirrors folded in, it sucks to have the one puddle light inactive..   :sick:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: r5gtt on November 03, 2017, 10:14:06 am
I'm still upset that we can't make it fold on the Gen 2  :sad1:
How about changing the driver side door card wiring to a gen 3 and fit a gen3 folding module? You will only need to swap about 4 pins on the power loom.

Thats where I ended up on my last golf but gave up before then lol

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but you said you had issues with rear doors locking?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: RetroRaz on November 03, 2017, 10:50:32 am
I'm still upset that we can't make it fold on the Gen 2  :sad1:
How about changing the driver side door card wiring to a gen 3 and fit a gen3 folding module? You will only need to swap about 4 pins on the power loom.

Thats where I ended up on my last golf but gave up before then lol

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but you said you had issues with rear doors locking?

Yes with a seat leon module fitted in front.

You can get a version N door module for the front which fold the mirrors , and have the rear doors still locking. and then get SI-R32 to flash the N module to have fold on key.

Only tricky thing you need to find is a N door module which folds. My car came with N modules but they dont allow folding.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: r5gtt on November 03, 2017, 11:16:51 am
I'm still upset that we can't make it fold on the Gen 2  :sad1:
How about changing the driver side door card wiring to a gen 3 and fit a gen3 folding module? You will only need to swap about 4 pins on the power loom.

Thats where I ended up on my last golf but gave up before then lol

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but you said you had issues with rear doors locking?

Yes with a seat leon module fitted in front.

You can get a version N door module for the front which fold the mirrors , and have the rear doors still locking. and then get SI-R32 to flash the N module to have fold on key.

Only tricky thing you need to find is a N door module which folds. My car came with N modules but they dont allow folding.
You talking about these ones?

(https://image.ibb.co/fP9Rjv/IMG_0416.jpg)
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: RetroRaz on November 03, 2017, 11:34:17 am
Nah the part number on the silver bit needs to have N at the end.

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Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: r5gtt on November 04, 2017, 02:21:02 am
Nah the part number on the silver bit needs to have N at the end.

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some fuduh told me to buy these ones lol won't be able to resell um or maybe 5 years down the line or even 17 like I did with my Renault turbo and uno turbo parts  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: RetroRaz on November 04, 2017, 10:00:30 am
Nah the part number on the silver bit needs to have N at the end.

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some fuduh told me to buy these ones lol won't be able to resell um or maybe 5 years down the line or even 17 like I did with my Renault turbo and uno turbo parts  :signLOL:
Lol yeah i still got a seat one as well. Can't shift it as no longer needed.

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Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: r5gtt on November 04, 2017, 01:44:11 pm
I got two plus two  :doh: my original ones and mirrors  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mvb12 on February 05, 2018, 08:24:02 pm
HI Guys,

After some folding mirrrors and just want to know which door modules is needed?

whats the difference with GEN3 and MAX3 modules

can cars with non folding mirrors actually have supporting modules for folding mirrrors?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: RetroRaz on February 05, 2018, 09:11:13 pm
Hey Marv.

Do a vcds scan of your car and tell us the part number of your current door modules.

GEN is the year wiring your modules are, usually gen 1 and 2 modules are in earlier models and gen 3 in later

MIN / MAX modules are like lowline and highline. You can have a gen1 door module in min which wont support folding so you will need gen1 max to make the mirrors fold.

As i said, first step is to determine are your current door module gen1/2 or 3.

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Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: mvb12 on February 06, 2018, 02:01:09 pm
Hey Marv.

Do a vcds scan of your car and tell us the part number of your current door modules.

GEN is the year wiring your modules are, usually gen 1 and 2 modules are in earlier models and gen 3 in later

MIN / MAX modules are like lowline and highline. You can have a gen1 door module in min which wont support folding so you will need gen1 max to make the mirrors fold.

As i said, first step is to determine are your current door module gen1/2 or 3.

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Nice one Raz,

was only able to get the drivers module which is 1k0 959 701 MAX3
without checking the other side can i assume it is a max3 also?

what i wanted to know is can i just get max3 door modules brand new and put it in the car as been hearing some do not work as its dependent on the car year and module year.

anyone able to hel pme out with this as getting an error 31 and no folding.
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: willni on February 17, 2018, 10:21:21 am
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?4031-Replacement-4th-Generation-door-control-modules-in-Mk5-Golf-platform-models

Has anyone upgraded their can gateway to a 7N0 907 530 AK (VW Touran) or any other mk6 gateway, saw that this could fix some issues with powerfolding mirrors?

Trying to work out if it would have any negatives to the rest of the system. Currently I have a Q gateway for battery drain
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: postoronniy on March 04, 2019, 06:26:47 pm
Yes with a seat leon module fitted in front.

You can get a version N door module for the front which fold the mirrors , and have the rear doors still locking. and then get SI-R32 to flash the N module to have fold on key.

Only tricky thing you need to find is a N door module which folds. My car came with N modules but they dont allow folding.

Sorry for bring this up.

I has the N door module which dont fold:

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: None
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N HW: 1K0 959 701 N
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0985
Coding: 0000180
Shop #: WSC

I know for sure that the same N module fold mirrors:

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N    HW: 1K0 959 701 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0971 
   Coding: 0000183

My idea is to copy the software from one module to another. Is it possible? Someone did this !?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Sebas_theFish on October 07, 2019, 01:19:23 pm
Anyone had issues with increased driver's side wind noise after fitting the folding mirrors?
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: davtsik on February 08, 2020, 04:22:16 pm
Does anyone know if the GEN 3 max Q window controllers for the Jetta/ Golf variant or even Passat will work with a golf ? Just trying to find a slightly more cost effective way of retrofitting elec folding mirrors or whether I need to rob a bank to buy some GEN 3 max N ones.
Plus is fitting the Seat/Skoda window controller still the only way to get them to fold with the fob or has someone figured out how to alter firmware etc on the VW ones ? Just don't fancy having to go down the door skin off route to fit a bump stop if possible. :happy2:

I installed a pair of electrically folding Golf mk5 mirrors.  The number of control units is 1K0959701Q (793M) and 1K0959702Q (792M).  These are from a Passat B6.  Unfortunately, not everything works perfectly.  The mirrors fold, but the windows do not run automatically up, when they go down to their end position.

Fault:  00932- Electric window motor, driver side (V147)
 No or incorrect basic setting/adaptation

https://www.r32oc.com/topic/44240-fold-mirrors-with-from-key-with-auto-closure/?fbclid=IwAR0SRTd2NTQohV0GTTtMTUkGKDBaBhUkmX_HyGsp_Zgc-beyI8fhVaVNMVw
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Dj.Duffa on June 03, 2021, 10:17:13 pm
Well this thread has been going some years I see 😂 anyways can anyone tell me the pin no’s I will need to fit puddle lights (ones in the door cards) and what the coding is? Also if I req better modules for it.. this is on a 05 chassis GTI 3dr
Title: Re: Retrofit electric folding mirrors?
Post by: Sebas_theFish on June 06, 2021, 10:19:27 am
Well this thread has been going some years I see 😂 anyways can anyone tell me the pin no’s I will need to fit puddle lights (ones in the door cards) and what the coding is? Also if I req better modules for it.. this is on a 05 chassis GTI 3dr

https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=52677.0