MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: pudding on January 15, 2021, 09:52:04 pm
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As Michelin (still) plum refuse to sell us the PS4S in 18", and as they've also stuck a Brexit tax on the PS4, I thought I'd give the F1 SuperSport a whirl.
It's a direct competitor to the PS4S. Goodyear are really laying the smack down at Michelin's feet currently. As well as the SuperSport, they also do a SuperSport R, which is a Pilot Sport Cup 2 equivalent. Goodstuff.
I'd rather give an American tyre company my money, rather than the bloody French who are quick to penalise us Brits for Brexit, and who also think we are not worthy of selling an 18" PS4S to.....f'ck em'.
Anyway, the F1 SuperSport.....what can I say. It absolutely destroys the PS4 in every way. I can't compare to PS4 S for the reasons above, but TyreReviews put the F1 SuperSport very close to the PS4S, and it even beats it by quite a margin in the wet handling tests.
And the best bit about it.....the F1 SS is currently cheaper than a PS4! Thanks Brexit :happy2:
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One to look out for when the time comes then, would be good to get more feedback on wear etc.
Just had a look on camskill and the PS4 is £86 for 18"? I managed to get mine in the sale last year for £70 a pop.
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The old F1 GSD2 & 3 were always a good wet weather tyre, shame the new tyres don't have that old funky tread pattern!
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I got the F1 SuperSports for £90 a corner, fitted, 2 weeks ago. At the time, the best price I saw on the PS4 was £104. I don't personally care about wear. Grip is more important to me :smiley: The SS feels the same in the dry and wet. The cornering grip is top tier, as is the traction. Way less wheel spin than the PS4.
Even if the PS4 can be had for £86, I'd strongly recommend stumping up the extra 4 quid a corner on the F1 SS, it really is worth it! The F1 SS is a step up from the PS4.
I also got the PS4 for £70ish a corner a few years back when Michelin where heavily pushing for market penetration, but it seems those prices are long gone.
Yeah I remember the old arrow head pattern of the GSD2 and 3. Imagine that wet performance plus 50% :happy2: The SuperSports have a decent pattern and are chunkier on the rims than the Pilot Sports, so fill the arches out a bit fuller :happy2:
I'm not especially biased when it comes to tyres but this year, I fancied a change from Michelin, and the Goodyears are very competitive :happy2:
In other areas, the SS is way less tram liney than PS4 and has waaaaay stiffer side walls, so the cornering in the wet & dry is considerably more sure footed.
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Thanks for the write up, will also get some when the time comes I think.
Funny you mention that about stiffer sidewalls...I had Eagle F1s before and switched to PS4 and whilst the wet weather performance improved drastically, the steering feel was nowhere near as good.
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I have Eagle F1 Asymmetrics on my gti and had the same on my 968 which was my daily driver and I could not fault them. I also think the wheel protector on them saved my alloy wheels more than once.
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I’m intrigued. My favourite tyre of all time on the Golf was the PS2. The PSS was even better in the dry but not as good in the wet. The PS3 was rubbish by comparison. The F1 Asymmetrics were grippy but I felt they were a bit soft and gave less sharp feedback. The PS4 tyres were good as I remember the PS2. So I am absolutely interested in a tyre better than the PS4.
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I’m intrigued. My favourite tyre of all time on the Golf was the PS2. The PSS was even better in the dry but not as good in the wet. The PS3 was rubbish by comparison. The F1 Asymmetrics were grippy but I felt they were a bit soft and gave less sharp feedback. The PS4 tyres were good as I remember the PS2. So I am absolutely interested in a tyre better than the PS4.
Exactly my experience with those tyres also. My old MK4 R32 had factory fitted PS2s and fitting anything else ruined the car. Well, 'ruined' is probably a bit strong but you know what I mean :grin: I think the tyres the factory fitted have a bigger impact on feel and handling than a lot of people realise, simply because the chassis was tuned with that particular tyre in mind.
I would say the F1 SuperSport is very much similar to how Golfs felt on the PS2, but actually far grippier objectively, and subjectively speaking.
When my SSs wear out, I will import some PS4S for comparison.....although most tyre reviews a hard to separate them, except in the wet, where the SS out performs the 4S.
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I ordered a set of primacy 4’s and after various discount codes and michelin cash backs i ended up paying £270.
Although, i ended up getting PS4’s fitted as thats what the shop received and they didnt notice when fitting and i only noticed when i got home.
So far thr PS4’s seem pretty good. Better than the General GT’s that were on previously.
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I’m intrigued. My favourite tyre of all time on the Golf was the PS2. The PSS was even better in the dry but not as good in the wet. The PS3 was rubbish by comparison. The F1 Asymmetrics were grippy but I felt they were a bit soft and gave less sharp feedback. The PS4 tyres were good as I remember the PS2. So I am absolutely interested in a tyre better than the PS4.
eh up fella, you still got the old girl? The PS4S is good on my S4 avant but might give the GY a go on the front axle as the old P Zero that came on the car will be dad at some point this year.
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I've been running the Supersports for a while now, I went with the extra load tyre for the stiffer sidewalls. The car was running PS4 before and I agree that the Supersports are a better tyre in every way. I think I'll probably get around 5k miles out of the front tyres, I do very few motorway miles so not bad considering thats 5k miles of accelerating and braking fairly hard. They may stretch out a little further now that R-Tech reined the power in a bit and sorted my throttle mapping but I'm happy with 5k miles.
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eh up fella, you still got the old girl? The PS4S is good on my S4 avant but might give the GY a go on the front axle as the old P Zero that came on the car will be dad at some point this year.
Yup. 125k miles over 12 years of ownership. I test drove the MK7 GTI a couple of years ago (before the facelift) and just didn’t enjoy it as much as the ED30, and I don’t know what else to replace it with.
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The old F1 GSD2 & 3 were always a good wet weather tyre, shame the new tyres don't have that old funky tread pattern!
I swear by Goodyears.
I have been modifying cars for 20 years and lots of people ignore a good set of tyres.
I had a 93 impreza WRX back in the 90's. The guy before me had fitted Toyo Proxy P1's and they were complete and utter gash, even though very recommended by scoobynet and pistonheads pros.
I got the car remapped and after when i gave it the beans around the corners it would 4 wheel drift like i was a member of the plastic dancing on ice crew you see on BBC 1 of a sat evening.
I replaced them with Goodyear GSD3's all round and it made all the difference.
A corner i would take at 60mph on the toyo's became 80mph with the Goodyears with confidence.
No matter how much you spend on your engine and drive train, if you cop out on tyres you might as well throw all the money you have spent on your engine down the drain.
Fitting your car with poor tyres is like running a marathon in flip flops!
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As Michelin (still) plum refuse to sell us the PS4S in 18", and as they've also stuck a Brexit tax on the PS4, I thought I'd give the F1 SuperSport a whirl.
It's a direct competitor to the PS4S. Goodyear are really laying the smack down at Michelin's feet currently. As well as the SuperSport, they also do a SuperSport R, which is a Pilot Sport Cup 2 equivalent. Goodstuff.
I'd rather give an American tyre company my money, rather than the bloody French who are quick to penalise us Brits for Brexit, and who also think we are not worthy of selling an 18" PS4S to.....f'ck em'.
Anyway, the F1 SuperSport.....what can I say. It absolutely destroys the PS4 in every way. I can't compare to PS4 S for the reasons above, but TyreReviews put the F1 SuperSport very close to the PS4S, and it even beats it by quite a margin in the wet handling tests.
And the best bit about it.....the F1 SS is currently cheaper than a PS4! Thanks Brexit :happy2:
@Pudding (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733)
https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s134p201566/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_4S_PS4S_-_225_40_R18_%2892Y%29_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_72dB
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As Michelin (still) plum refuse to sell us the PS4S in 18", and as they've also stuck a Brexit tax on the PS4, I thought I'd give the F1 SuperSport a whirl.
It's a direct competitor to the PS4S. Goodyear are really laying the smack down at Michelin's feet currently. As well as the SuperSport, they also do a SuperSport R, which is a Pilot Sport Cup 2 equivalent. Goodstuff.
I'd rather give an American tyre company my money, rather than the bloody French who are quick to penalise us Brits for Brexit, and who also think we are not worthy of selling an 18" PS4S to.....f'ck em'.
Anyway, the F1 SuperSport.....what can I say. It absolutely destroys the PS4 in every way. I can't compare to PS4 S for the reasons above, but TyreReviews put the F1 SuperSport very close to the PS4S, and it even beats it by quite a margin in the wet handling tests.
And the best bit about it.....the F1 SS is currently cheaper than a PS4! Thanks Brexit :happy2:
@Pudding (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733)
https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s134p201566/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_4S_PS4S_-_225_40_R18_%2892Y%29_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_72dB
And now they are not listed!
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Definitely on my next purchase list.
90 fitted is decent
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Having recently moved from PS4 to F1SS on the front, I’m not 100% convinced that they are a slam dunk recommendation. Perhaps it may be because the roads have been cold these past couple of months and also because I don’t often get to drive too hard, however I haven’t felt any benefits over the PS4. They spin up easier and feel more numb on turn in, with a lumpier ride. Perhaps things will reverse once we get above 20c?!?
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Something not right there as the Supersports are a huge improvement over the PS4 on mine. Both with the Ohlins coilovers, and the far cheaper ST suspension.
The PS4s slipped and squealed very easily. The SuperSports never make a noise, ever. Just complete composure and sure footedness at any speed and temperature.
The SS does need quite a few miles to settle in and scrub off the first mill of tread or so, and then they truly come alive.
Yes, the SS is far stiffer than the PS4 so ride comfort will suffer. I did warn you of that :smiley:
Have your SP BJs slipped? They are known for that, apparently. Checked mine the other day and they're still in the same position, but I did give them a lot more torque than specified.
The SS is the best tyre I've had to date. Looking forward to trying the PS4S next for comparison, or maybe the SS R.
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No, the camber is still close to 2 degrees on both side Kev however the car simply feels less nimble and supple. Maybe that will change with more miles and warmer tarmac.
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Dunno how you achieved -2 degs. I could only get -1.25ish when both sides were evened out. One BJ was maxed out and the other had to be pulled in a bit, but thats not uncommon when using a deadset kit as it trues up the subframe.
Anyway, give them time. All of the deficiencies of the PS4 I experienced when pushing on were completely eradicated with the SS. Being a London car, yours probably isn't seeing the same kind of loadings and temperatures as my hard driven rural/motorway driven car.
Oh....just remembered. Try dropping the pressures to 33-34psi. I found the stock 36psi started to eat the middles away with the SS. PS4 was fine with 36psi.
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Just to square the circle, it seems I had a slow leak on one of the rear wheels (fixed today) and the steering now feels more precise / nimble. I’m only a couple hundred miles in on the F1SS and am told they take a while to scrub in properly. I may also get a less lumpy ride with a bit less pressure (36psi) however time will be my friend here.
More interestingly, I had a mosey around the new MV Augusta showroom with my son in Sloane Avenue whilst KwikFit did their work and they’ve some lovely kit in there!
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You've only got SS on the front though iirc? It's difficult to draw conclusions and have fair comparisons vs a car that has SS on each corner to be fair.
200 miles is nothing. Give it a 1000 and report back :wink:
I'll tell you the biggest difference for me....... 70+mph corners. Yes, there are a few of them where I live, mainly slip roads. The PS4 got proper squidgy and unpredictable when loading them up THAT much. The SS is a massive improvement in that scenario, but granted, not everyone is a lunatic like me :grin:
The price you pay for that level of high speed stability is inevitably harshness over bumps at urban speeds.
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Think I'm sold on my next set of tyres. :driver:
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I swear by Goodyears.
I have been modifying cars for 20 years and lots of people ignore a good set of tyres.
I had a 93 impreza WRX back in the 90's. The guy before me had fitted Toyo Proxy P1's and they were complete and utter gash, even though very recommended by scoobynet and pistonheads pros.
I got the car remapped and after when i gave it the beans around the corners it would 4 wheel drift like i was a member of the plastic dancing on ice crew you see on BBC 1 of a sat evening.
I replaced them with Goodyear GSD3's all round and it made all the difference.
A corner i would take at 60mph on the toyo's became 80mph with the Goodyears with confidence.
No matter how much you spend on your engine and drive train, if you cop out on tyres you might as well throw all the money you have spent on your engine down the drain.
Fitting your car with poor tyres is like running a marathon in flip flops!
I'm a total covert to GY and have on two older different Porsches Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 and 3 all round. A sports/race handling suspension and geo set up guru who fine tunes my set up from time to time put me on to latest GY's as being a bit of a new benchmark. Asked him about Mich's and he mentioned the new GY compounds and level of grip are now a bit of a reference point for Mich themselves (this, according to the Mich representative he deals with).
Transformed the handling of my motors. As soon as I can get rid of these Nexen's that came with my GTi few months ago, then GY's will go straight on - may even do it sooner if a flash discount offer finds its way into my inbox!
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Spread the joy if you get a tidy discount code ha ha.
I'm tempted by the 5's through work at 62 each.
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You've only got SS on the front though iirc? It's difficult to draw conclusions and have fair comparisons vs a car that has SS on each corner to be fair.
200 miles is nothing. Give it a 1000 and report back :wink:
Not sure that I would agree with that Kev as the front tyres do so much more than the rears - 60% of weight up there / bulk of braking / steering / driven wheels. Rears are pretty passive in our cars.
Anyhow, I am now a few months in and am not finding a lot of love for the F1SS. They certainly have more grip on a warm road when pushing harder but are otherwise less supple and subtle than the PS4. A true summer tyre, they have a narrower operating window for both climate and driving style. After 10 years of Michelin, I enjoy the car less with these. Lumpy ride, somewhat inert feeling. YMMV as the Americans say.
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They better be good, having a pair of fronts fitted this afternoon. :party:
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51255327048_ddfb3b13ff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m6fX2j)Goodyear F1 supersport (https://flic.kr/p/2m6fX2j) by GVKmotorsport (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gvkmotorsport/), on Flickr
They're brand new and need scrubbing in obviously, but even from a short drive home from the tyre shop in the wet, less TCS intervention accelerating in 3rd than before, which is promising. Dull 'looking' tyre though, all of them look the same these days?
edit#2 Jesus - now the rain stopped I went out for fuel, the turn in even on damp roundabouts is insane on these, reminds me of my mk2 days running track day tyres such as R888/Kumho Ecsta/A048 etc.!
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edit#2 Jesus - now the rain stopped I went out for fuel, the turn in even on damp roundabouts is insane on these,
Yup :happy2:
Wait until you've scrubbed 10-15% off them :happy2:
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Supersport a much better buy over the standard f1!
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About 100miles or so on them so far and they keep on getting better. :driver:
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I'm still genuinely impressed by their wet grip. Leagues ahead of the PS4. I will try the PS4 S when these expire though, just for comparative sh1ts and giggs!
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Quick one. I can get the supersport (2 in stock just waiting on a batch to arrive) for 62 plus vat.. Would you take these over the normal eagle 5?
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Forsure, they are epic tyres.
I've been doing some fast road driving on them nd they are awesome.
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New stock is coming mid August which may work out for me. He rang me back saying the 5 is a better all-rounder. Spoke with a Goodyear chap aparantly. Was happy to sell me whichever obviously.
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5s will be a bit cheaper I guess?
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I have a set on mine and think they’re great, haven’t tried PS4’s so can’t compare to them
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5s will be a bit cheaper I guess?
Couple of quid cheaper iirc
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Are these available in R17 as can't see them online.
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Looked on Goodyear's website? They might be pulling a Michelin and only selling the common sizes in the UK, i.e. 18" and bigger.
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Looked on Goodyear's website? They might be pulling a Michelin and only selling the common sizes in the UK, i.e. 18" and bigger.
I will give that a look. I really don't want 18s as London roads are so crap.
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These are on offer currently at Costco - https://www.costco.co.uk/tyres/results/front?frontfilters=tireWidth:225::tireProfile:40::tireRimSize:18::tireSpeedRating:Y&rearfilters= (https://www.costco.co.uk/tyres/results/front?frontfilters=tireWidth:225::tireProfile:40::tireRimSize:18::tireSpeedRating:Y&rearfilters=)
£75.99 each - the offer is buy 4 and get £80 off - need to be or know a member and they charge about £9 fitting a corner - should be £260 for a set.
Love to try these, but got too much meat left on the rear rainsports - going to get a pair of PS4 - these also on offer but do £40 off a pair and the same £80 for 4 - £85.30 each
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Wonder if you can just buy them without fitting. Not looked at the link btw. Only ask as I've had issues with balancing etc before so I get a lad next door to my work (he works at ats) to fit them.
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Wonder if you can just buy them without fitting. Not looked at the link btw. Only ask as I've had issues with balancing etc before so I get a lad next door to my work (he works at ats) to fit them.
I suppose you could ask - but you are missing out on the nitrogen fill
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Not bothered about that tbh
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Just read on their site. You can't just collect them.
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Camskill do them at £82 each if you want supply only.
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Camskill do them at £82 each if you want supply only.
Camskill are great - but don't forget delivery on top.
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Any more reviews of the Super Sport tyres ?? I am currently using Michelin PS4 but have found them lacking under certain circumstances, such as high speed sweeping corners or when pushing them thru a roundabout.
I was considering a set of coil overs but I think maybe the extra grip and stiffer sidewalls of the Super Sports would be a better compromise.
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I found that initially the ride seemed harsher and more jiggly but after a few hundred miles they seemed to bed in, or I got used to them. :signLOL: Not had any real wet weather yet but in the dry the steering response seems a bit quicker than the ps4. I certainly don't regret buying them but I'll be interested to see how they wear.
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Thanks for the reply. That seems to be the consensus that they are slightly harsher and louder on the road. Not too fussed about wear as long as the grip is a step up from the PS4. I’ve had the Michelin’s on for 18 month and there is plenty of life left in them so I could offload them if I change.
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Any more reviews of the Super Sport tyres ?? I am currently using Michelin PS4 but have found them lacking under certain circumstances, such as high speed sweeping corners or when pushing them thru a roundabout.
I was considering a set of coil overs but I think maybe the extra grip and stiffer sidewalls of the Super Sports would be a better compromise.
Exactly why I switched to the SuperSport over the PS4. The SS fixes those shortcomings quite nicely.
In all the key areas that matter most to enthusiasts, the SS is far superior to the PS4.
They've been on my car 9 months now and the wear rate is about the same as the PS4. As it's a daily driver, I can tell you there is only 1 compromise - ride quality. It's not horrendous, but you will notice an increase in harshness. It's one model down from their semi-track tyre, so there has to be a trade off somewhere.
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Thanks Pudding , it sounds like they are just what I am after. I can handle a bit more noise and harshness as long as they deliver when pushed a bit.