MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: Scousus maximus on May 25, 2011, 09:16:07 pm
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Does anybody know what the dealers actually do to "fit" these? It's the same part number for Golf, Eos and Passat (1KOO52431BE) so I think it might be a switch change and some VCDS settings but I'd like to know for sure. At £69 all in it can't take very long.
Regards,
John
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+1
And what do they look like? The indicators (under the headlight) would be an excellent place for them, IMHO.
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:popcornsoda:
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John,
Are you referring to the MK5 Golf here?
Pictures of exactly what you're looking for would be useful :popcornsoda:
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Keenly awaiting details also, surely this is way too cheap to install anything into your headlight. Poss just a software change? :stupid:
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Probably just a vagcom setting change! Lol
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I believe it is just a software change that puts you side lights on as soon as the ignition is on.
I may be wrong.
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John,
Are you referring to the MK5 Golf here?
Pictures of exactly what you're looking for would be useful :popcornsoda:
Pete,
not specifically Golf V, as mentioned in first post it's for all VW on Mk V platform, pics and info can be found at http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/accessories/convenience-and-protection/1K0052431BE/daytime-running-lights-vehicles-with-front-fog-lights?mark=eos-2006-2010&offset=100&previousCategory=all
Not sure this link will work but it's easily available on the VW website under " Accessories". A bargain or a rip-off? Hmmmm,,,
Regards,
John
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by the looks of it as it is 'for vehicles with front fog lights' i would think that they just go into vag com,select day time running lights and day time running lights via fog lights, reduce the intensity and charge you 70quid!
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Found this, http://www.audi-hartmann.de/technik/tagfahr/tagfahrlicht.html (http://www.audi-hartmann.de/technik/tagfahr/tagfahrlicht.html) looks like on some cars its a new light switch with an ignition live pin out, but on our cars where front fog lights its probably just a coding change as detailed in the Audi section at the bottom where the cars have a highline CECM.
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by the looks of it as it is 'for vehicles with front fog lights' i would think that they just go into vag com,select day time running lights and day time running lights via fog lights, reduce the intensity and charge you 70quid!
I think apples may be right. There's a 'use foglights as DRL' option in VCDS that I've flirted with before.
To enable it on my MK5, I need the 30 byte controller and my vehicle has the 20 byte poverty controller so I've never pursued it.
I'm not sure on the legalities of using OEM foglight bulbs are daylight running lights. Perhaps VW fit different bulbs too?
The closest to that that I've seen (that are also fully legal as installed) are Robins (RebRobin) and I'm sure he's spent a lot more than £69.99 with his genuine Hella OEM+ DRL set :happy2:
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Would be suprised if it used the fog lights, but could imagine they would use the MK6 and Scirocco solution of the side light which could easily be achieved through using a new light switch with a variable resister to lower voltage and light intensity.
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my 06 gti,if i leave the light switch on auto and put the front fogs on that is all that is on as well as the sidelights
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I keep toying with the idea of LED DRL's but don't want some cheap nasty looking things :P
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These are probably the best I have seen upto now, apart from buying the genuine Audi R8 ones!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-5-MK5-GTI-LED-Daytime-RUNNING-Light-DRL-FOGLAMP-/330563138317?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf719330d
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:drool:
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This guy clearly is single. Have you read the description next to the photos?
"Best Gift for your Girlfriend/Wife
Make a new style to your cca
DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHT"
:signLOL: I know what my wife would say. And it isn't " I like the new style of the cca. Truly that's the best gift"
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what do people think about devil eys?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-05-09-CHROME-R8-DEVIL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-DRL-/170611490491?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b93cbebb (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-05-09-CHROME-R8-DEVIL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-DRL-/170611490491?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b93cbebb)
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what do people think about devil eys?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-05-09-CHROME-R8-DEVIL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-DRL-/170611490491?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b93cbebb (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-05-09-CHROME-R8-DEVIL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-DRL-/170611490491?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b93cbebb)
Can't stand them! They ruin the look of my friends S3 IMO
Wouldnt have been to bad if just on the R8 but now there way to common and shout more "chav" than R8 now!
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Yum, chrome! :sick:
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Also availible for non-foglight cars http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/accessories/convenience-and-protection/1K0052431BC/daytime-running-lights-vehicles-without-front-fog-lights?mark=golf-2004-2009&offset=160&previousCategory=all
might have to give the dealer a call and see just what they do!
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anyone got any pics of the dealer drls posted above
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anyone got any pics of the dealer drls posted above
Surely they just make a vag com change to leave the front side lights on all the time? You don't get much for under £70 from a VW dealer! :grin:
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when I was over in Worthersee, nearly all the MK5's there with DRL's had them located next to the indicator in the main light unit. Is this some kind of Euro option??
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Having VCDS I am aware of the settings availabe for DRL's, I wanted to know if the dealers were offering anything different, such as the DRL's fitted on the MK6 Golf.
Contacted the dealers regarding this today.....appears that:
1 They didn't know about it, had to point them in the direction of the VW website...Noddy fashion.
2 They know nothing about Xenons, one of the dealers wanted to run the xenons at reduced voltage VW MK says this is totaly fine...uh :stupid:, had to educate him on how xenons work, what would happen on reduced voltage.
1st dealer had to look into it all, this was the dealer wanting to run them at reduced voltage! he also commented on a software update and a new light switch to run the dipped beam on reduced brightness, the rear lights and number plate lights would also be on. He also thought the price on the web site was +labour :booty:. I had to tell him it was fully fitted! So this guys gone back to VW as I pointed him to the fitting of DRLs on thePassat as this specifically says not suitable for xenon, so are the Golf fitted with xenons any different. Still waiting for a repsonse. Going to try and get the fitting instructions from this guy see what its about.
2nd dealer spoke to the master tech, and said this can be done through settings, mentioned Scandinavian mode, ie all lights would be on when ignition is on. This would be 1/2 labour charge £45. Said nothing about additional parts or being suitable for xenons. Couldn't understand what the VW website was going on about, I think they need to look into it further as there is a charge of £69 and £88 for the same part number on the website, so perhaps there is more to it than just a change in settings.
Basically they don't have a clue. :scared: Quoting from the VW website "We promise that our Volkswagen experts receive the latest Volkswagen training and have instant access to Volkswagen tooling and Volkswagen technology. Because we love your car as much as you do.
." :signLOL:
Regards.
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Well just another update.
Contacted VW customer Services..... :signLOL: all I was able to get out of them was that I needed the kit costing £88, and a local dealer number for me to contact.....WELLL HELLLLOOOOOO.......... the dealers are non the wiser. Told them that they have two kits listed, both with different prices....needless to say still non the wiser other than contact the dealer. :fighting:
Spoke to the parts manager at my local dealer with part number for kit for Golf V with fogs, checked and came back with, software update for control module, unable to clarify if this is a setting change ie that can be done with VCDS or an actual software update and a certificate of conformaty just in case you get stopped by the boys in blue or MOT testers :confused:. Also added there is a new light switch that is fitted. As to which lights are activated was unable to comment, or if the kit was suitable for MK5's with Xenons. Couldn't give me the part number of the switch either.Now waiting for the senior tech to call me back.
My guess is the light switch is possibly like the Audi's where there is also a setting for DRL's
So heres waiting...
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any one tried Scandinavian via VCDs?
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any one tried Scandinavian via VCDs?
I think thats all the lights, front and rear.
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Well just another update.
Contacted VW customer Services..... :signLOL: all I was able to get out of them was that I needed the kit costing £88, and a local dealer number for me to contact.....WELLL HELLLLOOOOOO.......... the dealers are non the wiser. Told them that they have two kits listed, both with different prices....needless to say still non the wiser other than contact the dealer. :fighting:
Spoke to the parts manager at my local dealer with part number for kit for Golf V with fogs, checked and came back with, software update for control module, unable to clarify if this is a setting change ie that can be done with VCDS or an actual software update and a certificate of conformaty just in case you get stopped by the boys in blue or MOT testers :confused:. Also added there is a new light switch that is fitted. As to which lights are activated was unable to comment, or if the kit was suitable for MK5's with Xenons. Couldn't give me the part number of the switch either.Now waiting for the senior tech to call me back.
My guess is the light switch is possibly like the Audi's where there is also a setting for DRL's
So heres waiting...
That sounding more like its the foglights replaced with DRL LEDs like the skoda fabia vRS has, and RedRobin also has. RedRobins thread (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1917.0.htmllink) That would also explain the new light switch to remove the front foglight option.
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It sounds a bot cheap though to have the fogs replaced, and the light switch though? I asked the techs at Sheppards VW and they thought it was a mod to run the front dip beams on all the time, so yet another answer! :grin:
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I wonder if its something like offered in Germany.
http://www.polodriver.com/polo-2009/volkswagen-offers-retrofit-led-daytime-running-lights-for-polo-and-golf/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+polodriver+%28PoloDriver%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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I wonder if its something like offered in Germany.
http://www.polodriver.com/polo-2009/volkswagen-offers-retrofit-led-daytime-running-lights-for-polo-and-golf/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+polodriver+%28PoloDriver%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Now they look good and the fact the they will hopefully be dealer fit is excellent!
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Don't know if this helps
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-VW-Dauerfahrlicht-1K0-052-431-BC-/160644454662
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So as suspected by vwdubster77, the kit is a new switch... Seems to remove auto and the front fogs, I guess making the fogs come on all he time as with late Skodas?
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Don't know if this helps
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-VW-Dauerfahrlicht-1K0-052-431-BC-/160644454662
The part number with this switch, and from the VW website is for cars without front fogs, so what difference is the switch for cars fitted front fogs.
I've still not got anywhere with VW or any dealers, non of them are any the wiser. One dealer wanted to charge me more than what the VW UK website had posted up :congrats: So hows that work then.
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My car was at the dealers yesterday so iasked about these. They first said that it was a new switch that activated the side lights front and rear on ignition, then changed their mind and said it only brings on the dipped lights, ie the xenons and that they wanted £100 for it. No thank you, i can do that with vcds for free. Might take another look on etka wiring and look at maybe rewiring the sidelights on to the ignition in the back of the switch
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Just an input update on this,
Today I had a 2010 Leon in, It had no Auto Light or wiper but other than that it was quite spec'd up. It had front fogs and it was already enabled the Cornering function which and each side Fog turned on whilst indicating.
I plugged in VCDS and there was an option indeed to turn on DRL !!!
First off it simply used the dipped beam but at only 92%, whilst the engine was running and the light switch set to off.
Then I turned that of and set it to Fog lights as DRL, This brought on the side lights at the same time and again default to 92%
I remember being pulled over 12 years ago in my first car as I was driving with the Fogs on, Thinking I was the coolest cat in town and got a £30 fine SO...
I thought that 92% on Fogs at all times might not be a good idea, So I changed the setting to 50% and they indeed looked very smart whilst still keeping on the right side of the Plod!!
The original functions still work i.e. cornering and indicator fog activation so we have gained!!
Takes about 10 mins all told so explains why VW want over £60 for it !!!! Cheeky Monkey's!
As for cars with Auto lights, I've not yet tried it.
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Delco,
My mk6 GTI had DRL set as dipped beam (front+rear+number plate+xenons) on from the factory. I turned them off.
How to turn off the DRL when you have front xenons+rear lights+number plate lights as DRL's
You need vagcom or VCDS or similar
Central electric---coding---> long code helper
Byte 11 (Prob shown as hex 88) select it
A box below will come up
A tick box next to 'Daytime running lights via low beam' will be ticked. Untick it. click back, click 'do it'.
Your DRL (front xenons+rear lights+number plate lights) will now go out. :jumpmove:
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This is the response I got from VW after 4weeks!! Bearing in mind that I have xenons.
Thank you for your recent contact in relation to the availability of daytime running lights for your Golf. Please accept my
apologies for the delay in my response.
The part number you require for the daytime running lights kit for your vehicle is part number 1K0 052 431 BN and will be
available from the end of October. This kit will illuminate the dipped beam on the vehicle. You will receive an extra setting on
your light switch to activate the daytime running lights.
I followed this up with further questions, as they didn't answer all of my questions!! The response now is:
Thank you for your recent contact in relation to daytime running lights for your mark 5 Golf. Please accept my apologies for the
delay in my response.
Information on this product is very limited at present as Volkswagen UK will be recieving the daytime running lights at the end
of October for testing on the UK specification of the Golf. Once the testing has been completed and approved more information on
the units will be released. Only at this stage would the product available for the customer to purchase, this could take over
eight weeks.
I would recommend you keep in contact with your local Volkswagen retailer on the progress of the testing and release of the
product.
Do I cry, bang my head against a wall or just :signLOL: I wonder if the Germans are any the more wiser. Why advertise somthing thats not available yet, advise to speak to dealers who know nothing about nothing.
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I think the german option is what i posted above. LED ones.
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Just to update this.
Bearing in mind I have the OEM Xenons fitted.
I contact VW Customer services, as I'm still interested in this. Was advised of the following initially it would be like the MK6 Golf DRL's :jumping: only to be called back later with:
New light switch, still not to clear on what functions this has, but guessing the settings are:
OFF/ DRL/ Side Lights/ Dipped Lights(Xenons) + Front Fogs/Rear Fogs(As in the Audi's). VW appear to lose the setting for AUTO LIGHTS on the switch.
Software update (NOT a VCDS tweak) to the ECU(Power control ECU)?? Dealer would need to hook the car up to VAS and update the ECU from Germany.
With the switch in the DRL position ONLY the Xenons come on, no other lights.
Was advised although didn't seem to sure, the AUTO lights feature still works from this setting, so when required the lights auto switch on.
Disclamer was speak to the dealer :stupid: If customer services don't know exacty after speaking to thier "In House tech" what chances have the dealers got!
Got hold of the instructions off the web:
Installation instructions:
Continuous running light original retrofit kit
Set contents:
◆ 1 x Light switch
◆ 1 x Software certificate
◆ 1 x Installation instructions
Special tools, test and measuring equipment, and ancillaries required:
◆ Vehicle diagnostics, measurement and information system -VAS 5051A- with software version V15.94.00. or
higher
Procedure:
Note
◆ A competent workshop should install the continuous running light kit. Special tools and the accompanying
literature specific to the vehicle are required for fitting it. Incorrect fitting may lead to damage to the vehicle.
◆ To update the vehicle software, an online SVMVW connection and the appropriate password are needed.
◆ All rights to make technical changes reserved.
1.1 Replacing the light switch
− Remove the existing light switch and replace with the supplied light switch.
Electrical system; repair group 96; lights, lamps, switches - internal; lights and switches in the dashboard;
removing and fitting light switch E1
1.2 Updating the vehicle software
− Connect a vehicle diagnostics, measurement and information system -VAS 5051A- to the vehicle.
Electrical system, repair group 97; Wiring, vehicle diagnostics, measurement and information systems;
Connecting a vehicle diagnostics, measurement and information system -VAS 5051A-.
− Select the operating mode “Guided trouble shooting” within the vehicle diagnostics, measurement and
information system -VAS 5051A-.
− After querying the control units, select the “Functions / component selection“ via the button “Jump” and then
sequentially the following menu options:
◆ Software version management
◆ Conversion/retrofitting campaign
− Enter the 5 character action code “302F1“.
The online connection is created after code entry and the software update carried out.
− After successful software updating, disconnect the connection to the vehicle diagnostics, measurement and
information system -VAS 5051A- and carry out operational testing of the continuous running light.
The attached certificate is to be filled in with the chassis number and fitting date by the workshop, signed and
stamped and then given to the customer when the vehicle is returned. The certificate acts as proof of purchase of
the product Continuous running light, while the workshop signature certifies to the customer that fitting has been
correctly carried out by Volkswagen.
1K0 052 431
3C8 052 431
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So Vw's idea of DRLs is it turn off the sidelights when the xenons are on.
Mmmm :confused:
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I hate to think anyone's spent time and effort investigating this :sad1: :confused:
...But, the Xenons only as daytime running light are a very simple VCDS setting and I tried it for a summers evening mid last year. It was okay but I didn't like the idea of firing the Xenons on and off constantly at traffic lights or where the handbrake may be used around town, perhaps encouraging ballast or bulb failure.
The Xenons appeared to run without the front and rear sidelights or tailights and were illuminated when the car was in-gear and the handbrake was inactive (when you stop at traffic lights and lift the hand brake, they would switch off, then switch back on when gear is engaged and the handbrake is de-applied & lowered).
It's part of the North American DRL if I remember correctly.
I think the hard line is if you want some OEM or OEM+ DRLs for a MK5 GTI, Scandavian running lights, North American running lights or fogs as DRLs are the only options.
Anything else would have to be an aftermarket or electrically modified OEM+ effort, such as the Audi S6 DRLs that you see on some MK5 .:R32's.
There's a couple of threads covering all the options in more depth :happy2:
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Interesting.
Agree with the issue of the xenons coming on/off every time the handbrake is used/not, reducing xenon lamp life.
I am aware of the settings through VCDS, it was my understanding that:
North American DRL was just the front indicators, which were illuminated. The indicator brighness which you could adjust through VCDS. Which is what a lot of people have tried/use. I wasn't aware that the the Xenons would come on? you're the first that has commented on this.
Scandinavian DRL was all lights are on, front and back.
Front fogs as DRL, brightness which can be adjusted through VCDS.
I was hoping that the dealer option was to give a MK6 Golf DRL appearance.
Also from the dealer instructions it appears to be a software update NOT a VCDS code change, which those of us with VCDS are able to do.
Perhaps, what the dealer DRL is the Xenons only, but keeps them ON, instead of ON/OFF depending on the handbrake as you've mentioned.
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Interesting.
Agree with the issue of the xenons coming on/off every time the handbrake is used/not, reducing xenon lamp life.
:happy2:
I am aware of the settings through VCDS, it was my understanding that:
North American DRL was just the front indicators, which were illuminated. The indicator brighness which you could adjust through VCDS. Which is what a lot of people have tried/use. I wasn't aware that the the Xenons would come on? you're the first that has commented on this.
Not quite, as far as I know. I'm no VCDS guru but I have certainly enabled the front side turning signals with the sidelights without ticking the North American DRL option. This is controlled under byte 17 if I remember correctly (off hand...) where you set a percentage value under the side turn signals between 0-100.
Scandinavian DRL was all lights are on, front and back.
Front fogs as DRL, brightness which can be adjusted through VCDS.
Yup and Yup :happy2:
* except with my 20 byte controller I had to tick the North American DRL option for the fogs with DRL's to work. They simply wouldn't illuminate without it...
I was hoping that the dealer option was to give a MK6 Golf DRL appearance.
Also from the dealer instructions it appears to be a software update NOT a VCDS code change, which those of us with VCDS are able to do.
Perhaps, what the dealer DRL is the Xenons only, but keeps them ON, instead of ON/OFF depending on the handbrake as you've mentioned.
Don't know much about the dealer option, aside some of the bits you posted fella.
In honesty the MK5 DRL options are pretty limited if you think about the light-set that comes with the car from factory, so I suspected the option VW offered was always going to be something VCDS could do, or, do the majority of.
Where they state a 'software update', unless they were actually updating the CCM firmware or byte controller with supporting ECU components, I'm still not sure it would be something that VCDS couldn't do? :popcornsoda:
The MK6 'look' has been achieved by a geezer in the US on his MK4 .:R32 believe it or not, but, the significant difference was that he bought a BMW headlight controller (of some sort) and connected it to his high beam bulbs, then ran them at around 50% brightness giving that effect. Links below.
++ http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/331929.aspx
++ http://www.users.on.net/~graeme86/
I don't know much about the MK6 bulb setup - is the DRL bulb the same as the high beam bulb (which I believe is some sort of H15 bulb)?
If it is, then I suppose you might achieve a similar thing with the MK5 with loads of trickery like this guy has done. You'd probably have to get hold of him as it's bespoke to say the least. I've never seen it on a MK5 :chicken: Looks involved and I've no idea on legality in the UK either, but there's some inspiration :happy2:
It looked way too involved for me :grin:
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Where they state a 'software update', unless they were actually updating the CCM firmware or byte controller with supporting ECU components, I'm still not sure it would be something that VCDS couldn't do?
I believe it is a firmware update for the CCM, as the dealer has to hook the car upto the VAS then update from Germany, simple coding changes the dealer wouldn't have to connect through to Germany do this.
The MK6 'look' has been achieved by a geezer in the US on his MK4 .:R32 believe it or not, but, the significant difference was that he bought a BMW headlight controller (of some sort) and connected it to his high beam bulbs, then ran them at around 50% brightness giving that effect.
I too have been thinking about doing the DRL using a type of load reduction relay, but struggling to find suitable wiring diagrams for the relay.(Not BMW). Also theres the issue of the lamp monitoring, if that would keep throwing up a bulb out message.
I don't know much about the MK6 bulb setup - is the DRL bulb the same as the high beam bulb (which I believe is some sort of H15 bulb)?
The H15 bulb in the Golf MK6 is a dual filament 15W/55W. So the DRL uses the 15W and the High beam uses the 55W.
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/H15-Replacement-Halogen-Bulb.html (http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/H15-Replacement-Halogen-Bulb.html)
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...But, the Xenons only as daytime running light are a very simple VCDS setting and I tried it for a summers evening mid last year. It was okay but I didn't like the idea of firing the Xenons on and off constantly at traffic lights or where the handbrake may be used around town, perhaps encouraging ballast or bulb failure.
I wouldnt be too worried about ballast or bulb failure, what about those of us who have run the shutter trigger wire to the cecm and disabled halogen hi beams. I flash every mother hubbard when xenons are off so am effectively 'firing up' xenons all the time without problem! Also look at new audis, mercs, bmws etc. when they flash you, full xenon flash. :smiley: