MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => APR Zone => Topic started by: Msportman on October 21, 2013, 09:16:12 pm
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I hear they is a new file being trialled at Awesome for stage 2+ modded cars.
This is good news for me as hopefully Keith can sort me a deal with a new RSC fuel pump, VWR intake etc etc.
Hassan @ Awesome GTI mentions some nice new additions to this file such as the raised limiter and a new delivery which will sounds very interesting. No release date has been announced as the file is being evaluated but things sound promising.
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Version 3.31 has already been released :happy2:
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Version 3.31 has already been released :happy2:
Really?? I spoke to Hassan on friday and he states this file has not been released for sale and is a Beta file being evaluated on his car as we speak. Think I will ring APR and speak to Keith for confirmation.
Have you a dyno plot or graph for 3.31 file or figures?
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gman86 over on the R Forum has it on his Golf R. :happy2:
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http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3457&start=45
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Is this something like RTecs TIV mapping then?
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Is this something like RTecs TIV mapping then?
Sounds like it from the threads on the US forums.
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YOu need some TIV action on yours. If Nicks pulling 400hp with WMI with a Stage 2+ K04, imagine what he'll do with yours!!
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APR V3.31 isn't public released yet i don't think
Improved drive ability and motorsport limiter are what ive seen
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APR V3.31 isn't public released yet i don't think
Improved drive ability and motorsport limiter are what ive seen
Exactly what I was told.
The delivery is much smoother with no boost . torque spike at the beginning of the delivery but much smoother and linear across the range pulling harder further up the rev range. Be interested in seeing this in the future as I'm running a custom GTI Engineering map which is also very smooth and powerful for stage 1.
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YOu need some TIV action on yours. If Nicks pulling 400hp with WMI with a Stage 2+ K04, imagine what he'll do with yours!!
That run was only for the dyno. :wink:
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YOu need some TIV action on yours. If Nicks pulling 400hp with WMI with a Stage 2+ K04, imagine what he'll do with yours!!
That run was only for the dyno. :wink:
I still reckon you would be better off figures wise than with GIAC though.
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YOu need some TIV action on yours. If Nicks pulling 400hp with WMI with a Stage 2+ K04, imagine what he'll do with yours!!
That run was only for the dyno. :wink:
I still reckon you would be better off figures wise than with GIAC though.
Still more to come from mine Sy. :wink:
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YOu need some TIV action on yours. If Nicks pulling 400hp with WMI with a Stage 2+ K04, imagine what he'll do with yours!!
That run was only for the dyno. :wink:
I still reckon you would be better off figures wise than with GIAC though.
Sounds suspiciously like what I was suggesting :grin:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,72496.msg779517.html#msg779517
Sounds like your coming out as an R-Tech Fanboy Sy :grin:
Nicks Tiv is seriously impressive, removing the jerkiness in traffic queues is very effective.
Pretty sure he has it TM'd to stop other tuners from stealing it :scared:
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Nah not a fan boy by any stretch of the imagination, just impressed with what he is pumping out at the moment and would be keen to see him work with something larger than a K04.
I think he has trademrked the term TIV and not the process of mapping the ECU
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Nah not a fan boy by any stretch of the imagination, just impressed with what he is pumping out at the moment and would be keen to see him work with something larger than a K04.
I think he has trademrked the term TIV and not the process of mapping the ECU
Yeah i put myself in the same position as you.
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V3.4 is public release now incase you didnt know
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I'm taking the plunge.
I was considering in getting an RS4 or E90 M3 but my experience with the M3 was a bit of a dissapointment in many ways. I liked the balance and the noise but the performance of the M3 is all at the top and felt flat at the bottom....but thats the beauty of a turbo lump I suppose.
On the RS4 front I love the look and package but many are way down on the quoted 414bhp and with 360-380 more likely spread across 4wd I suspect it will feel slightly flat and the understeer won't suit my expectations.
So I'm going APR Stage 2+ with this new code and will run a APR RSC together with VWR intake and S3 cooler.
I've got my sights on a set of VWR brakes and use this with sticky Dunlop inters for track next year. The car is currently running KW Clubsports and WALK and is already poly bushed.
I will cross the issue of a clutch when it packs up as I will at this point a diff.
Should be a formidable package.
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Running an APR file on mine and well happy :pomppomp:
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Running an APR file on mine and well happy :pomppomp:
Is that the new APR Stage 2+ file ?
I had stage 2 on my old Edition 30.....loved it.
On a custom GTI engineering (Morego map).....it's also very very good for stage 1.....put on the car by a F1 Mercedes engineer in Brackeley.
Have you got any dyno plots?
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Running an APR file on mine and well happy :pomppomp:
Is that the new APR Stage 2+ file ?
I had stage 2 on my old Edition 30.....loved it.
On a custom GTI engineering (Morego map).....it's also very very good for stage 1.....put on the car by a F1 Mercedes engineer in Brackeley.
Have you got any dyno plots?
No just stage two car fly's and is safe at that, not had her on the rollers yet .
was told stage two + was bit to mad for the roads
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Who ever told you that needs to man up lol
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Has the 3.4 update been released for the ed30? I'm currently running the 3.31 and my local apr dealer said he doesn't have 3.4 yet??
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I spoke to them today and was advised it was available. I was asking with regard to compressor surge and it deals with this issue by requesting less boost pre 4k rpm and then piling it on once the VVT has caught up and the engine can digest the extra air. I'm currently Revo stage 2 but am looking for a fix for this so may end up moving for the offer of half price if coming from competitor.
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Going APR 3.4 very soon now.
Got to get the fuel pump RSC system and a VWR intake all at the same time.
Clutch and diff....very soon after
as well as VWR brakes
Car is running KW clubsports which are superb and Super Pro bushes
May consider ARB's and a new FMIC....all options open.
Seen dyno plots from Awesome.....look fab
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Going APR 3.4 very soon now.
Got to get the fuel pump RSC system and a VWR intake all at the same time.
Clutch and diff....very soon after
as well as VWR brakes
Car is running KW clubsports which are superb and Super Pro bushes
May consider ARB's and a new FMIC....all options open.
Seen dyno plots from Awesome.....look fab
get at the very least the Rear swaybar upgrade. It makes a great improvement.
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Awesome where going on about this new map last time I was there, claiming 370bhp and a lot faster than others. I went out in Hassan's Edition 30 and to be fair it felt quick but I wasn't convinced it was a lot quicker than my Revo powered car.
Anyway a guy I know has got the new file on his S3, he took it to a RR and it made..
343bhp 363lb/ft
Literally the week before my Edition 30 running Revo stage 2+ was on the same rollers and made
343bhp 374lb/ft
We had a little play on a closed road and on a 4th gear roll my Golf was easily faster, admittedly his car is 4wd and manual, but still..
Just my 2p's worth :)
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Ever though the car has hot an issue?
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Ever though the car has hot an issue?
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It had been at Awesome having the clutch and last bits fitted and also the stage 2+ map uploaded probably not even the week before and all was good.
The dyno where both cars went is renowned for reading 'lower' and not over reading like some, all other stage 2+ cars make between 340-350bhp.
Like I said, I thought it was worth a post with my findings.
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My stage 2+ k03 was below APRs quoted figures on two different dynos but it drove well so it wasn't a problem for me.
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My stage 2+ k03 was below APRs quoted figures on two different dynos but it drove well so it wasn't a problem for me.
what figures did you get if you don't mind?
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270 bhp and 300 lb ft at stage 2+
Went well enough though.
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I have just had the new APR stage 2+ file loaded on my R
Evoms intake
Loba Motorsport hpfp
BCS downpipe and race cat
Will be getting it dyno'd next week for results
Don't think it will make the 360-70bhp that apr quote would be happy with 340 though as it goes well
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I have just had the new APR stage 2+ file loaded on my R
Evoms intake
Loba Motorsport hpfp
BCS downpipe and race cat
Will be getting it dyno'd next week for results
Don't think it will make the 360-70bhp that apr quote would be happy with 340 though as it goes well
Which rollers are you going on? I would be interested to see the results as I'm still torn between APR & another big brand...
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A local tuner in Durham mate (2wd dyno)
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A local tuner in Durham mate (2wd dyno)
Ah I see I was hoping it would be on a well known one like JKM or R-tech but it will still be interesting regardless… Especially as my friends S3 did 343bhp 363lb/ft with the v3.4 2+ map on a local rolling road but I’m unsure how accurate it is.
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Every dyno is different even the well know ones so it's a bit if a lottery tbh. She goes well I know that getting a lower mount fitted so might as well put it on the rollers
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Every dyno is different even the well know ones so it's a bit if a lottery tbh. She goes well I know that getting a lower mount fitted so might as well put it on the rollers
True and that's what counts :happy2:
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I have just had the new APR stage 2+ file loaded on my R
Evoms intake
Loba Motorsport hpfp
BCS downpipe and race cat
Will be getting it dyno'd next week for results
Don't think it will make the 360-70bhp that apr quote would be happy with 340 though as it goes well
What did it make in the end?
My Cupra R (same base) recently made 360BHP on stage 1+ where it was mapped. Had it on a different RR to check and it made 6bhp less.
APR HPFP, Evoms intake. (still not fitted the sports cat downpipe)
Only difference between the 2 days was 4degrees temp change and I fitted red coils and new plugs, plus I had to fit a Sachs uprated clutch and new DMF (manual box) :(
Now considering fitting the down pipe and going for stage 2+ software upgrade.
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Bit disappointed by the RR results (2wd RR )
310hp and 400nm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc392%2Fsug10%2F22A219B2-2574-419D-B65C-350AC812EF54_zps2xetmgqo.jpg&hash=7883613d98552fc8e849078113c33801811c4ff0) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/sug10/media/22A219B2-2574-419D-B65C-350AC812EF54_zps2xetmgqo.jpg.html)
Any idea?
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Stage 2+
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Yes mate sorry.
Evoms
Loba
Bcs downpipe and sports cat
Apr stage 2+ software
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Do some on road logging.
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Mine made 345 on Marlin motors Dyno (MAHA iirc) and 346 on APRs Dyno. Before v3.4 and before RFD so hopefully see some gains afterwards
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Take it out and log the boost, fuel rail pressure, N75... as much as you can.
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Few of the guys locally have said that torque and bhp should meet at approx 5900-6000revs is this correct I could be wrong but he was saying its hard to get a good reading with the DSG?
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Stock back box could hold it back a bit?
Is the DSG stock or mapped?
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Doubt it extra power comes from downpipe doesn't it?
Dsg not mapped yet
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Doubt it extra power comes from downpipe doesn't it?
Dsg not mapped yet
Niki @ R-Tech noticed with the twin exit cupra exhausts that on higher power (2+ setups) the Backbox restricts the flow.
DSG limiters may hold it back too?
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BHP and torque curve in lbfts should cross at 5252rpm
Do you have the DSG mapped?
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I'm no expert with graphs but to me something isn't quite right on your car... Here's two examples :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbadger-5.com%2Fbin%2FDyno%2Fscn_tfsi-230214%2FDynoIT%2520-APR2%2Bmark_cousins-FE57VUA.jpg&hash=e5a71439f8f05f06242b372ba581aaa4e17e5a8d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbadger-5.com%2Fbin%2FDyno%2Fscn_tfsi-230214%2FDynoIT%2520-apr2%2B-david_cheung-WV06ZPL.jpg&hash=d849516984f608c4c812e73c41196de6cfbc4f88)
Taken from here... http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=392011&page=8
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Sugs Is in NM though so they won't look quite he same
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Sugs Is in NM though so they won't look quite he same
Yh I'm with you on that but he's roughly 30-35 horse down on those two Cupra's and my friends S3 that are all running this map.
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Sugs Is in NM though so they won't look quite he same
Yh I'm with you on that but he's roughly 30-35 horse down on those two Cupra's and my friends S3 that are all running this map.
Ohh yeah... hes way down. ive seen a stage 2 golf R make 325bhp
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Dsg as I'm finding out can be a hit and a miss on dyno I'm 2+ and made 345 BHP and 350 od lb but was at a rolling road last week and it wouldn't pull over 300 bhp although it's definitely still running fine
Iv been told that my dsg is holding back my figures at it drops off power early to change gear true or not I don't know but I'm getting my dsg remapped soon
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Bit disappointed by the RR results (2wd RR )
310hp and 400nm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc392%2Fsug10%2F22A219B2-2574-419D-B65C-350AC812EF54_zps2xetmgqo.jpg&hash=7883613d98552fc8e849078113c33801811c4ff0) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/sug10/media/22A219B2-2574-419D-B65C-350AC812EF54_zps2xetmgqo.jpg.html)
Any idea?
How can you be going that far up the Rev range on an unmapped dsg box :scared:
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Could be part of the issue... The S3 was manwell and iirc the Cupras are manual only its just the FR that you can get with a dsg box.
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Just got in touch with the tuner of the RR and he says he measures bhp at the wheels so as far as I'm aware that would make my car approx 345bhp? And about the same lbs ft torque?
So am I safe to say panic over?
Appreciate your input guys
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WHP makes sense now. . . I was just thinking this when I was opening your thread. WHP will be lower on an R than a 2+ ed30 as the 4WD setup saps a bit of power (prop shaft still turning whilst on the Dyno) :happy2:
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Thought she was running right :laugh: