Post by: RetroRaz on November 25, 2014, 05:10:44 pm
As the Lowline/Midline to Highline cluster change is very common now, theres been a lot of new threads on this subject. I am making this guide to help anyone who may have questions about the upgrade.
Types of Clusters:
Lowline - This cluster is basic level. It will only display the time, outside temerature, mileage and trip computer
These will come in part numbers ending 950,951,952,953,954
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi197.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa227%2Fbpat832002%2FIMG_0126.jpg%3Ft%3D1265829685&hash=7684e90b4188d85954926d6fd70d489da8cd3dcf)
Midline - This cluster is advanced level, as well as the above it will display MPG, Average MPG, Miles till empty, Average Speed, time ignition on.
These will come in part numbers ending 960,961,962,963,964
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi278.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk99%2Fonlinephoties%2Fmidline3.jpg&hash=2c42fc4d96ee9c9b13a06618960f5121d14e9948)
Highline - This cluster is the expert level. As well as the above, it will show you an image of your car to show which doors are open, setup menu, Audio, navigation, phone.(Additional parts may be needed for eg RNS 510)
These will come in part numbers ending 970,971,972,973,974
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F13%2F05%2F11%2Fbu9ebe6u.jpg&hash=d52eb25722fb1fad9cc4832838be13922b9eff2d)
Buying the right cluster:
A lot of people get confused as to which cluster to buy. You can upgrade to any of the Highline Clusters, the way they are coded is different.
970,971 & 972 Clusters can be programmed using a VAG Commander Cable. These clusters are usually more expensive as you can buy the Vag Commander for under £20 and code it yourself.
973 and 974 clusters will need to be sent to a specialist. ( I reccommend Eddie-NL as he did mine and really knows his stuff) I have found these clusters are cheaper as you still have to pay to get these coded by a specialist.
Coding:
To get the clusters to work in your car, you will first need to find out your cars SKC code. This can be found sometimes with a spare key you have a small tag with the number on it. If you dont then you can obtain this code using Vag Commander ** The Vag Commander Clone cable only works on MK5 clusters years 04 - mid 06. (Clocks ending in 950,951,952,960,961,962,970,971,972) **
If your clocks arent ending in those part numbers and you dont have your SKC code, you will need to refer to a specialist.
If you have your SKC code and have Highline clusters ending in 970,971 or 972 I would follow this guide to code them:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=201776.0
otherwise refer to a specialist.
MultiFunction Steering Wheel Compatability
For those who have multifunction steering wheels with the newer style buttons, I would suggest going for a 972/973/974 clusters, If you don't intend on purchasing a multifunction steering wheel then go for a 970/971 cluster which will allow you to access the highline menu using your wiper stalk rocker switch
FAQ
WIll a cluster from Petrol work in Diesel and vice versa?
Yes it will, however you have to make sure you keep in mind where your red line is, eg: If you put a set of GTI clusters into a TDI, the new clusters red line will be around the 8k mark and on a TDI it is 6k revs, so although your red line will show as 8k, your actual red line will be 6k.
I have a DSG transmission, do I need a specific cluster?
No, you can use any. The clusters will pick up from the car if it is DSG/Manual and change the display accordingly.
I have a set of highline clusters from the USA ending in 870,871,872,873,874. Will these work?
Yes, Although you will find that the temperature gauge will be in Fahrenheit. You can open the clusters and swap the foils around to UK ones which show Celsius.
I have fitted my cluster but the cant access the menu. What is wrong?
Press and hold the "up" position on your rocker switch for a few seconds. If that doesn't show the menu then check the part number. If you have a 972/973/974 cluster, then you may need to purchase a multifunction steering wheel to access the menu.
I have lowline clusters without a rocker switch, what do I do? what parts do I need?
Firstly you would need a new wiper stalk with the rocker switch,,a type 2 slip ring (part number ending in C), a new steering wheel control module (Midline or Highline) and the highline cluster. You would need someone with VCDS to code the new steering wheel control module.
If there are more questions, please ask and I will update this thread.
If I have made any errors in this guide, please let me know and I will correct them.
Post by: v4rley on November 25, 2014, 06:32:16 pm
972 and 973 clusters will need to be sent to a specialist.
Should it be 973 and 974 :evilgrin: only minor error in a great informative post :drinking:
Post by: RetroRaz on November 25, 2014, 07:22:25 pm
972 and 973 clusters will need to be sent to a specialist.
Should it be 973 and 974 :evilgrin: only minor error in a great informative post :drinking:
Cheers buddy.
Corrected it now :D
Post by: skard on November 25, 2014, 07:39:32 pm
The midline's in the pic are actually mine and if you look close enough, have US dials on the speed side which came off said cluster (they show words instead of pictures for many objects).
As a rule of thumb, if you have a MFSW with an OK button then avoid x70/x71 clocks as they are intended for use with the MFA+ stalk and previous button layout.
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 25, 2014, 08:56:13 pm
when it comes to MENU button function on a Mfsw or Stalk Control
Post by: RetroRaz on November 26, 2014, 08:51:39 am
Also worth noting that you can use non UK clusters that have an 8 instead of 9 in the part number, so 872 etc. I once had a set with Lockwood inserts with these, coding is done all the same but you cannot reuse your foils as the MPH scaling is different. You'll need the import inserts.
The midline's in the pic are actually mine and if you look close enough, have US dials on the speed side which came off said cluster (they show words instead of pictures for many objects).
As a rule of thumb, if you have a MFSW with an OK button then avoid x70/x71 clocks as they are intended for use with the MFA+ stalk and previous button layout.
Cheers Buddy. Yes thats one thing I forgot was the MFSW and USA Compatability. Ill update it now. Thanks :D
Post by: RetroRaz on November 26, 2014, 08:52:06 am
it also is gamble what you get with 973 & 974
when it comes to MENU button function on a Mfsw or Stalk Control
Cheers Ed. Ill add this in too
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 11, 2015, 08:10:53 pm
A few weeks ago i retrofitted on my car (2006 MK5) a MFSW with the new type of buttons.
Before i have read this site i have purchased a high line cluster MFA+ made in 2004, the only type that could fit my car without going to a specialist.
Now i am waiting to receive it as it comes all the way from UK.
I realise now that my menu button (on the MFSW) may not work.
So i have looked to replace the MFSW with the old type but i couldn't find any.
I also intend to instal a bluetooth kit 5N0035730C about witch i understand that it may not work for the same reasons (my old type cluster).
My questions are like this:
If i also retrofit a stalk for the MFA+ would everything work ok? Meaning could i replace the non functional menu button with the stalk? Would my phone button on the wheel work?
OR: Should i not plug in the cluster, buy a newer version and take it to a specialist to set it wright for my car?
Also, if i set the cluster for my car (this old type one), could i sell it and than be set by someone else for his car? or it is a one time job?
Thanks. :happy2:
Post by: usmangti on February 11, 2015, 08:38:56 pm
alot of folks say newer buttons wont work with a older speedo but from what I have seen that is not true.
FYI I upgraded from a midline gti with no MFSW. I also had to upgrade the steering module as it was a midline spec.
Post by: usmangti on February 11, 2015, 09:33:37 pm
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 11, 2015, 09:46:13 pm
Post by: skard on February 11, 2015, 09:53:14 pm
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 11, 2015, 10:00:47 pm
Post by: skard on February 11, 2015, 10:14:47 pm
If no OK then you need to keep the stalk.
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 11, 2015, 10:16:42 pm
Post by: skard on February 11, 2015, 10:19:54 pm
Post by: MAH on February 12, 2015, 11:16:46 am
Post by: SkyJawa on February 12, 2015, 01:11:52 pm
Ive fitted newer style buttons to an older speedo (970). Everything works fine. We had to go through a few of the options on VCDS however no dramas really. Now both my stalk and steering wheel control the highlime speedo however I have to use the steering wheel menu buttons to switch between audio/mfd/vehicle settings. The stalks allows controls in whichever menu is on. Some say pressing and holding up on the stalk switches between menus but I haven't tried that yet. I will find out and let you know here.
alot of folks say newer buttons wont work with a older speedo but from what I have seen that is not true.
FYI I upgraded from a midline gti with no MFSW. I also had to upgrade the steering module as it was a midline spec.
Don't suppose at some point you can have a look on VCDS and post up what you coded?
I think I've done everything but don't think I can switch audio/mfd/vehicle settings.
970 Highline with a newer style MFSW (ok on right).
Post by: usmangti on February 12, 2015, 02:14:20 pm
Ive got the same set of buttons. Star on the right and ok on the left.
Post by: RetroRaz on February 12, 2015, 02:23:41 pm
Post by: usmangti on February 12, 2015, 02:43:40 pm
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 17, 2015, 04:15:13 pm
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Post by: RetroRaz on February 17, 2015, 04:21:29 pm
Yes well i have installed the high-end cluster, done all the basic settings but i don't manage to get the menu button on the mfsw to work. I have tried every coding there is on the steering wheel. Should I buy a stalk and sell my wheel?
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Whats the part number of the highline cluster? If you dont have a wiper stalk with the rocker buttons, chances are you have a lowline steering wheel control module. You would need a midline module to use the wiper stalk rocker button or a Highline control module to use the buttons on the steering wheel
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 17, 2015, 05:25:09 pm
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Post by: RetroRaz on February 17, 2015, 07:11:27 pm
Post by: usmangti on February 17, 2015, 07:38:38 pm
Post by: corjinovschi@gmail.com on February 18, 2015, 07:08:05 am
Someone told me to update soft version on my clusters. This is what i have:
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 1K0 920 971 A
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0812
Coding: 0007103
Shop #: WSC 00445 067 57207
VCID: 29591B2F800CF950575
and i need to change it to SW4312
Can i do this by myself or do i need to go to a VW service?
Post by: Ben_VTR on April 13, 2017, 10:26:46 am
I have a 2007 DSG Jetta 2.0 TFSI, with midline clocks, stalk buttons and cruise control.
I'm looking to upgrade to GTI Highlines, and also install a GTI MSFW with paddles.
What clocks do I need to buy? And also is there anything else I need to get? Will I need the highline control module aswell to use the MFSW buttons?
Thanks, Ben.
Post by: RetroRaz on April 13, 2017, 11:23:35 am
Hi All,
I have a 2007 DSG Jetta 2.0 TFSI, with midline clocks, stalk buttons and cruise control.
I'm looking to upgrade to GTI Highlines, and also install a GTI MSFW with paddles.
What clocks do I need to buy? And also is there anything else I need to get? Will I need the highline control module aswell to use the MFSW buttons?
Thanks, Ben.
Hey Ben,
You can buy any highline cluster, but for the menu button to work you will need one with part number ending in 972,9873 or 974.
Alex Retro (Olsen-72) can supply and fit them for you
In regards to MFSW, yes you will need a Highline one. Follow this youtube video.
Post by: SeyiiOluwa on April 13, 2017, 03:10:28 pm
Hi All,
I have a 2007 DSG Jetta 2.0 TFSI, with midline clocks, stalk buttons and cruise control.
I'm looking to upgrade to GTI Highlines, and also install a GTI MSFW with paddles.
What clocks do I need to buy? And also is there anything else I need to get? Will I need the highline control module aswell to use the MFSW buttons?
Thanks, Ben.
Hey Ben, I've got a set of highlines if you're interested
Post by: Ben_VTR on April 14, 2017, 11:38:10 am
Hi All,
I have a 2007 DSG Jetta 2.0 TFSI, with midline clocks, stalk buttons and cruise control.
I'm looking to upgrade to GTI Highlines, and also install a GTI MSFW with paddles.
What clocks do I need to buy? And also is there anything else I need to get? Will I need the highline control module aswell to use the MFSW buttons?
Thanks, Ben.
Hey Ben,
You can buy any highline cluster, but for the menu button to work you will need one with part number ending in 972,9873 or 974.
Alex Retro (Olsen-72) can supply and fit them for you
In regards to MFSW, yes you will need a Highline one. Follow this youtube video.
I had an Edition 30 with highline and MFSW, but can't remember if it had a stalk with the buttons on it.
Does the stalk with buttons still work? Whats the point in it once you have the MFSW buttons working?
Right so I just need to find a 972/3/4 cluster and I'm set? I'm based in Northern Ireland so will have to get a local crowd to do the coding. If i could get Alex retro to do it I would!
Post by: ducman77 on June 16, 2017, 11:27:05 pm
Did my midline the highline swap there last week and this thread was invaluable :smiley:
Cheers buddy :happy2:
Dave
Post by: RetroRaz on June 17, 2017, 08:34:54 am
Just a shout out to say a big THANK YOU to RetroRaz for this excellent write up :happy2:No worries Dave :)
Did my midline the highline swap there last week and this thread was invaluable :smiley:
Cheers buddy :happy2:
Dave
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Post by: neiller on June 18, 2017, 07:11:54 am
I've got a problem now with my own clocks the esp light and the tpms light is constantly on.
I've done the usual turn the wheel both ways then drive forward under 20kmh .
When I check with vcds I'm getting a few faults in the abs control module
Steering angle sensor,
Brake pressure sensor,
Lateral acceleration sensor all showing no or incorrect basic setting when I go to the adaption page to see the setting all I see is errors.
Any1 seen a fault like this before and could give me a nudge in the right direction
I will take a screen shot of the faults on vcds when I get a minute later !
Cheers
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Post by: v4rley on June 18, 2017, 08:29:43 am
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist
Post by: neiller on June 18, 2017, 09:22:21 am
Fault codes:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist
I've already went through all of this still can't seem to get it off
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Post by: v4rley on June 18, 2017, 09:27:39 am
Make sure you have read it all correctly, I drove for 6 months with the same lights as I didn't follow it correctly :signLOL:
@RetroRaz (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6494) will be along shortly
Post by: neiller on June 18, 2017, 11:14:48 am
I've to back to the guy this week but I want to be sure I can reset these again if they come on !
I hate having fault lights on lol
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Post by: neiller on June 18, 2017, 01:59:02 pm
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Post by: RetroRaz on June 18, 2017, 08:11:15 pm
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Post by: Ben_VTR on August 16, 2017, 07:00:28 pm
Post by: RetroRaz on August 16, 2017, 09:12:06 pm
Hi guys, was wondering if I need to have a MFSW to have a highline cluster? Have a 973 one in my eBay basket at the moment, but maybe there's no point in getting it if I need a new steering wheel too?Hi mate. Yes to go through the menus on a 973 you will need a mfsw.
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on August 16, 2017, 09:36:22 pm
I can go through the menu on mine with the stalk and the steering wheel...? 973 too...Hi guys, was wondering if I need to have a MFSW to have a highline cluster? Have a 973 one in my eBay basket at the moment, but maybe there's no point in getting it if I need a new steering wheel too?Hi mate. Yes to go through the menus on a 973 you will need a mfsw.
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Post by: RetroRaz on August 17, 2017, 12:02:57 am
I think if it was factory fitted with a 973, then it can work off rocker switch (like mine) but then i switched to a mfsw and it now works off sw menu button
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on August 17, 2017, 04:34:24 pm
How are you accessing the menu mij? By holding the wiper rocker button or menu button on sw?Ahhh just tried it, I can toggle through the options with the stalk the menu is on the mfsw
I think if it was factory fitted with a 973, then it can work off rocker switch (like mine) but then i switched to a mfsw and it now works off sw menu button
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Post by: Ben_VTR on August 17, 2017, 05:41:49 pm
How are you accessing the menu mij? By holding the wiper rocker button or menu button on sw?
I think if it was factory fitted with a 973, then it can work off rocker switch (like mine) but then i switched to a mfsw and it now works off sw menu button
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Hey bud. I understand I wouldn't be able to go through the menus (until I got a MFSW and module installed), but would the clocks actually work okay, and let me go through the normal trip options? (MPG, fuel range etc). Then I could at least get these clocks while they are cheap, get them in and then in a few months time when I can afford a wheel, get it put in and then use the menus?
Thing is I need to get new clocks soon as my current ones are playing up (random lights come on that shouldn't when I indicate, have the handbrake on or use cruise control, so would be an MOT fail. Hence the need for new ones.
Post by: RetroRaz on August 17, 2017, 05:53:27 pm
Yep you will be okHow are you accessing the menu mij? By holding the wiper rocker button or menu button on sw?
I think if it was factory fitted with a 973, then it can work off rocker switch (like mine) but then i switched to a mfsw and it now works off sw menu button
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Hey bud. I understand I wouldn't be able to go through the menus (until I got a MFSW and module installed), but would the clocks actually work okay, and let me go through the normal trip options? (MPG, fuel range etc). Then I could at least get these clocks while they are cheap, get them in and then in a few months time when I can afford a wheel, get it put in and then use the menus?
Thing is I need to get new clocks soon as my current ones are playing up (random lights come on that shouldn't when I indicate, have the handbrake on or use cruise control, so would be an MOT fail. Hence the need for new ones.
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Post by: shoaybmakda on August 17, 2017, 08:23:05 pm
Post by: phas3r on December 02, 2017, 04:28:42 pm
I am looking at a 972 hi line cluster on ebay.
My car is mid line 2008 GTI, with MFSW, retrofitted cruise stalk. The car is not in the UK, but I myself will be there for another few weeks.
Am I able to fit it in, as according to the first post I need to refer to VW specialist to get the SKC Code ?
Post by: RetroRaz on December 03, 2017, 11:09:49 pm
Hi,2008 will have to be done by a specialist. Its not just about getting the skc, it's also about getting the keys matched up as well.
I am looking at a 972 hi line cluster on ebay.
My car is mid line 2008 GTI, with MFSW, retrofitted cruise stalk. The car is not in the UK, but I myself will be there for another few weeks.
Am I able to fit it in, as according to the first post I need to refer to VW specialist to get the SKC Code ?
Best to contact Alex (Olsen-72), Usual suspect or Eddie-NL if you're lucky.
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Post by: johnbanana on February 14, 2019, 04:32:09 pm
i'm wondering if i will be able to go through menu on highline cluster 872? Year of cluster is 2006, i have a stalk with rocker buttons but i don't have MFSW
Post by: Mark22 on June 19, 2019, 12:47:40 pm
Post by: olsen-72 on June 20, 2019, 03:48:14 pm
Post by: Mark22 on June 23, 2019, 04:59:25 pm
What you after mate?i think i already contacted you trough email ;) northern ireland ;)
Post by: Mark22 on June 25, 2019, 10:20:30 pm
Post by: NitrousOxide on January 23, 2020, 11:08:59 pm
Highline - This cluster is the expert level. As well as the above, it will show you an image of your car to show which doors are open, setup menu, Audio, navigation, phone.(Additional parts may be needed for eg RNS 510)I recently acquired a MK6 Golf cluter that I am about to retroft in my 2008 MK5 GTI that already has a highline cluster, MFSW, and DSG.
These will come in part numbers ending 970,971,972,973,974
The MK6 cluster has the part number 5K6-920-972-E. I just wanted to verify that the 972 numbering convention still means that I have a highline cluster, before I do the immobilizer work seen in other forums.
Post by: olsen-72 on January 24, 2020, 08:21:35 am
Post by: Ben_VTR on February 12, 2020, 09:57:18 am
So, eventually bought a set of 973 clusters for my late 2007 Jetta. Also bought an RCD330, and a newer style MFSW.
Was told I needed a control module, part number 1K0 953 549 CH, so bought that.
Left it all to get fitted at a local specialist, MFSW and paddles work, buttons working with the Head unit etc, but now my cruise control won’t work? Will I need a new stalk or control module? Or is there something missed?
Post by: olsen-72 on February 12, 2020, 10:34:53 am
Post by: Ben_VTR on February 12, 2020, 11:35:19 am
By modify the wiring, is there a guide or is this trial and error? Lol
Post by: Ben_VTR on February 13, 2020, 10:05:54 am
Going by Ross tech wiki, for the 1K0 953 549 CH module, I need a Type 2 slip ring, either 1K0-959-653-C or 1K0-959-653-D
Would my 2007 midline Jetta have a different slip ring as standard? I’ve asked my mechanic for the part number off the current cruise stalk and slip ring to try and get to the bottom of it.
Post by: olsen-72 on February 13, 2020, 10:07:07 am
Post by: ricsne2010 on January 24, 2021, 11:22:07 pm
After months (and I mean MONTHS) of reading online and research, parts, tools, software, etc.... The surgery was a complete success....
Except.....
For some reason, I cannot seem to access the convenience menu via the MFD+.... I have installed a MFSW (4 button on the left and right - not the fancy toggle keypad style) - have the correct clock spring, airbag module, steering wheel module (from what I can tell) and the correct canbus....
(at the same time I did this, I also installed a RNS510...which has minor issues but thats another question in another forum)
The immo was no big deal as I was able to pull the codes from the old cluster and the new using VVDI - as well as pair my keys (the old cluster listed them out of the IMMO settings using teh VVDI 2020 software)
But.... with VCSD, I cannot seem to find a setting to gain access to the convenience menus via the MFD (I do have access to a "setup" menu via the MFD - as well as the Navigation messages from the RNS510 - no bluetooth settings are available from the MFD also.....)
I can attach images and links to a short video, as well as the VCSD dumps .....
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Post by: Eddie-NL on February 03, 2021, 01:14:06 am
Ok.... heres one for you all - I just recently completed a low-line to high-line cluster upgrade on my 2008 Jetta S 2.5.....
After months (and I mean MONTHS) of reading online and research, parts, tools, software, etc.... The surgery was a complete success....
Except.....
For some reason, I cannot seem to access the convenience menu via the MFD+.... I have installed a MFSW (4 button on the left and right - not the fancy toggle keypad style) - have the correct clock spring, airbag module, steering wheel module (from what I can tell) and the correct canbus....
You need to code it in the CCM providing you have a high version CCM
(at the same time I did this, I also installed a RNS510...which has minor issues but thats another question in another forum)
The immo was no big deal as I was able to pull the codes from the old cluster and the new using VVDI - as well as pair my keys (the old cluster listed them out of the IMMO settings using teh VVDI 2020 software)
But.... with VCSD, I cannot seem to find a setting to gain access to the convenience menus via the MFD (I do have access to a "setup" menu via the MFD - as well as the Navigation messages from the RNS510 - no bluetooth settings are available from the MFD also.....)
I can attach images and links to a short video, as well as the VCSD dumps .....
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Post by: maezp on October 25, 2022, 11:27:07 am
I am new on this forum, I just googled it few days ago and saw that there are some guys here that might help me about upgrading my 2005 GTI cluster to highline one.
I have 1K6 920 860 E in my car instaled.
I have 2 highline clocks that I bought, one is 1K6 920 872 D and second one is just without D, so it is 1K6 920 872.
I also recently retrofited MFSW sucessfully with new type of buttons (OK button on right side).
Can one of those clusters be retrofitted in my car? If yes, what tools are needed?
I would be very greteful if someone can give me directions...
Best regards!