MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: mcblfc88 on April 17, 2019, 09:24:55 am
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Hi guys,
Looking to freshen up the suspension on the Mk5 GTI i've just picked up. It's got 110k on it and although doesn't handle badly, could do with tightening up.
Don't want to spend the earth and don't need track capability as it will likely never see a track day during my ownership.
Looking for a happy medium in terms of handling and comfort as predominantly this car will be a daily driver for my mrs.
Looking for a matched fixed damper and spring setup, seen options from VWR, Bilstein (B12 Pro) and ST amongst others. In terms of the result i'm after what would be best?
I've also seen a set on ebay saying its eibach springs and bilstein b4 dampers for £300 with new bump stops and what not.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eibach-Lowering-Springs-Bilstein-Shocks-Kit-VW-Golf-Mk5-2-0-GTI-TFSi/331842661330?hash=item4d435d2bd2:g:7j0AAOSwdnZaEusd .... £300 all in, I guess the B4 dampers are just OE replacement?
Also I am going to go for the Superpro ALK, and a dogbone insert although not sure which one.. again probably Superpro unless someone can convince me there is a superior alternative?
Any other key areas while i'm at it that aren't going to break the bank?
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Handling = B12 kit
Comfort = VWR
B4 = twin tube OEM equivalent
You can't have both unless you triple or quadruple the budget.
SuperPro ALK is fine and available in OEM geometry as an insert, or +1 degree caster as a complete console. Most folk opt for the latter.
Vibratechnics is the superior dogbone in terms of NVH.
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I looked at vibratechnics stuff but got confused in terms of exactly what would need to be fitted.
Read your previous posts on the VWR kit that's why thats in the running.
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Handling = B12 kit
Comfort = VWR
B4 = twin tube OEM equivalent
You can't have both unless you triple or quadruple the budget.
SuperPro ALK is fine and available in OEM geometry as an insert, or +1 degree caster as a complete console. Most folk opt for the latter.
Vibratechnics is the superior dogbone in terms of NVH.
Would you recommend a better alternative to the superpro ALK or just not overly keen on the ALK full stop?
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https://www.vibra-technics.co.uk/vw/golf_mkv_vi_vento_jetta_mk5/463/VAG520M/bottom_engine_mount_subframe_mount_20r32
No the SALK is very good. There are alternatives such as the W(hiteline)ALK, powerflex, OEM S3 insert etc etc but personally I would only use the SALK or OEM S3. I've used the WALK in the past and the bushes didn't last long.
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I have eibach springs and B4 dampers. Changed about a year ago. Also replaced top mounts, ball joints, console bushes, and more recently rear ARB links.
It sits low, causes some problems with a few speed humps (mainly in car parks) bit ride is not so firm it jiggles you about too much. Mines a daily / family car so went for a comfortable set up.
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https://www.vibra-technics.co.uk/vw/golf_mkv_vi_vento_jetta_mk5/463/VAG520M/bottom_engine_mount_subframe_mount_20r32
No the SALK is very good. There are alternatives such as the W(hiteline)ALK, powerflex, OEM S3 insert etc etc but personally I would only use the SALK or OEM S3. I've used the WALK in the past and the bushes didn't last long.
Cheers, yeah I'd read about the white line ones not lasting long ..definitely going superior
I get some vibration currently while driving that almost feels like tyre roar but I'm wondering if it's perhaps already got a dog bone insert of some sorts
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I have eibach springs and B4 dampers. Changed about a year ago. Also replaced top mounts, ball joints, console bushes, and more recently rear ARB links.
It sits low, causes some problems with a few speed humps (mainly in car parks) bit ride is not so firm it jiggles you about too much. Mines a daily / family car so went for a comfortable set up.
I guess that's Duncan storyline springs??
Did you just go oem for the ball joints etc??
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I have eibach springs and B4 dampers. Changed about a year ago. Also replaced top mounts, ball joints, console bushes, and more recently rear ARB links.
It sits low, causes some problems with a few speed humps (mainly in car parks) bit ride is not so firm it jiggles you about too much. Mines a daily / family car so went for a comfortable set up.
I guess that's Duncan storyline springs??
Did you just go oem for the ball joints etc??
Yes Duncan Storyline springs :laugh: and OEM for the rest.
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I have eibach springs and B4 dampers. Changed about a year ago. Also replaced top mounts, ball joints, console bushes, and more recently rear ARB links.
It sits low, causes some problems with a few speed humps (mainly in car parks) bit ride is not so firm it jiggles you about too much. Mines a daily / family car so went for a comfortable set up.
I guess that's Duncan storyline springs??
Did you just go oem for the ball joints etc??
Yes Duncan Storyline springs :laugh: and OEM for the rest.
Stupid fire HD tablet refuses to accept my inputs! I'm sure you gathered Duncan Storyline is infact amazon code for Eibach Sportline.. I wonder how some new B4 dampers would fair with some eibach pro springs
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Duncan Storyline :grin: For a minute I thought that was another weird ECP brand like 'Meat & Doria' :grin:
Sportsline = pretty firm and low
Pro line = softer and not so low
B4 with Pro springs might be good, but bear in mine the Pro springs are only available for Diesels and n'asp petrol, so the spring rates will be pretty soft for a GTI. I have a suspicion the Pro springs are purely to get the basic models up to OEM GTI equivalence.
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Replace all the bushes with brand new OEM ones would be my first port of call.
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Yup, especially at the arse end. The main source of clunks and knocks on ageing MK5s.
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I just replaced my suspension all round with boge stock struts and shocks, also did top mounts (ball joints etc ok) and put on a set of eibach pro springs. Its lowered about 25mm and gives a firmish ride but sensible. High enough not to catch the front (its got a GTI setup) or any speed bumps so far so a good compromise...
No more banging or clonking from my broken (x3) old front springs!
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After having the car serviced and inspected at a very highly regarded local VW Indy, it’s been confirmed the suspension setup is currently seemingly standard and in general in good condition.
After a lengthy chat with the owner who is a big enthusiast and multiple Mk5 Gti owner, I’ve settled on the super pro ALK with fresh oem ball joints and drop links, he was confident that would leave the car driving very well with the option to then add a roll bar upgrade kit and/or a damper/spring set.
I am going with his advice and the parts are being fitted in a few weeks, will report back the results.
Also off topic, pre-cat delete also being carried out at same time, he said that’s one of the best value mods on the Mk5 so I’m getting that done too.
Just the service along with the gearbox oil change has made the car a lot better to drive though so heading in the right direction
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I'm in the process of doing the entire suspension on my mk5, to date ive done shocks and springs (Eibach/H&R) the front end Ive gone with TT arms and the whiteline anti lift kit and ball joints. I also put in TTRS top mounts and Meyle HD drop links and steering tie rods, I also put the Audi upgrade bolts into the subframe. These upgrades made a huge difference and I'm now in the process of building the back end from a used sub-frame i got that was in decent shape.
So far ive sand blasted the frame and primed it for paint, Ive new arms to go in and I'm fitting the flowflex kit to the rear - basically doing whats shown here:
Main difference is im fitting a set of godspeed adjustable arms to allow some adjustment in the rear end.
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I'm in the process of doing the entire suspension on my mk5, to date ive done shocks and springs (Eibach/H&R) the front end Ive gone with TT arms and the whiteline anti lift kit and ball joints. I also put in TTRS top mounts and Meyle HD drop links and steering tie rods, I also put the Audi upgrade bolts into the subframe. These upgrades made a huge difference and I'm now in the process of building the back end from a used sub-frame i got that was in decent shape.
So far ive sand blasted the frame and primed it for paint, Ive new arms to go in and I'm fitting the flowflex kit to the rear - basically doing whats shown here:
Main difference is im fitting a set of godspeed adjustable arms to allow some adjustment in the rear end.
Reviews of flo flex are not too good. Have a look at the powerflex.
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I've just updated the OEM shocks and springs with the VWR offering, and so far i'm happy with it. Compared to the OEM which was 14 years old and on 144k miles i'd say the VWR kit is more comfortable, yet the car seems to have less body roll. It's lowered the car by 20mm rear and 25mm at the front which hasn't provided any ground clearance issues so far.
I've also replaced the top mounts for the Audi S1/S3 versions, and replaced the front bushes with the Superpro ALK kit.
At £540 i think the VWR kit is good value for money, compared to VW quoting £1250 to replace them for OEM. For all the above supplied and fitted by Indigo GT including a hunter 4 wheel alignment i paid £1500.
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Reviews of flo flex are not too good. Have a look at the powerflex.
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Ive found them good, I used some of the front end bushes in my mk1 gti a few yrs back and found them to have a good balance of comfort and handling. I'm not using the entire kit just whats on here, Ive a set of adjustable upper arms on the way and once they arrive I will be getting them all on the sub-frame.
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