MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: SI-R32 on April 13, 2014, 08:33:17 am
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Over the last few years i've added quite a few mods to my MK5 and over the winter i've been toying with the idea of fitting park assist for a bit of fun.
i have a bit of updating to do but you can see my car and mods here
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,51412.0.html
so after a bit of research quite a few people have tried to fit park assist to the mk5 but have never got it working the main reason for this is changing the ABS unit.
we're lucky on the mk5 that we already have the electric steering rack, it has a motor on it for the power steering which can turn the steering wheel for you.
***** if your starting off this project from scratch you will also need to fit 8 parking sensors to the car 4 rear 4 front and 2 extra front sensors at sides of bumper you can get a kit here *****
http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-golf-6-5k-park-assist-360-pla-2-0-park-pilot-front-and-rear,id739.html
luckily for me i fitted 8 parking sensors a few good years back so i just needed to buy an upgrade kit
http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-golf-mk6-5k1-park-assist-pla-1t0919297a-upgrade,id649.html
right the problem we now have is the wrong ABS unit is fitted to the MK5 to aid with the park assist, most of us will have an MK60 ABS unit fitted,but now we need to fit an MK60EC1, after a bit of trawling the interweb i find out that the only way you can code this new ABS unit (on the MK6 not the 5) is via VW with its online connection to its servers including your VIN which is encrypted into the new coding for the MK6 anyway, for the MK5 it won't code it as it shouldn't be fitted to our cars.
i'll come back to this later on but apparently it can now be done but i'm still uncertain and will have to do a lot of work before i can finally find out.
the other week i removed the front bumper, lots of guides already on line to do this and its quite easy once you've first done it
on the back of the bumper i checked i had room where i roughly wanted the sensors to go and on the back of the mk5 bumper it has some crossed lines in the abs plastic clearly park assist wasn't around then but i used these crossed lines as a guide to drill the holes.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140504_154750_zpsc2e1a270.jpg&hash=6d0505bb96f90a7062c9c87ad27de35952707068)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2Fbottom_zps43e4bae5.jpg&hash=42c596e7ae61c56524175bc5be3fc608e471a7a9)
i used a 28 mm step cutter to give a perfect cut through the paint, the biggest of the 3, if you try to use a bigger one and stop on 28mm you'll just bugger up the hole and go through bigger as its not easy to stop in soft plastic. I have 18mm,26mm and 28mm for various parking sensor jobs
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140505_180917_zps559f4506.jpg&hash=443a35ccc203fc8e2786c4bcfc00f73a324d7c78)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140405_142310_zps9sboihkm.jpg&hash=2270c3e992c7842a6f4b7142cf25563d9c3659eb)
so the sensors need to be pointing out at roughly 90 deg from the car again its not that easy as it was never fitted to the mk 5
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2Fside_zps1a72bd9b.jpg&hash=4ef0e3b10cf523ef6260ff02dd6271bb58fb717c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140504_154739_zpse8ed5c4b.jpg&hash=e6eb2a9ebec8cca248e5088f6ab8128b7fc55d0c)
the sensor holder needed the foam sticky pads removing as we have thicker bumpers on the MK5 compared to the MK6, I will probably use adhesive silicone sealant to stick them in as i use this quite a lot and it works very well
here is the holder
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140405_123525_zpsmr2svahx.jpg&hash=5e9d8979998baeb9463a6a3955eb81c6bd37277e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140405_123531_zpslazyqbt6.jpg&hash=d81ef1f303c42e1c1447cfc7482da0f7b9e5388d)
tested for size in the bumper
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2FIMG-20140405-WA0001_zpszaeslxaz.jpg&hash=52068de89f5ba246d8f5134c257e2295b20efce5)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2FIMG-20140515-WA0001_zpsud5rv80s.jpg&hash=45e5ed8fdb6f9af0f285ca8fb68f93c5155f2d61)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140405_123507_zpsiwv72qdn.jpg&hash=dda8d8e459fd15707e8ca52dd9a6168c9e64dc12)
so now to the ABS unit, this is fitted behind the battery and airbox area right down the back. on LHD cars this is under the brake servo where as ours is on the opposite side
This is the little baby that needs changing
there are various units we can use here is a list
1K0 907 379 AT or BE or BJ or BL
AT = MY 2010
BE = MY 2011
BJ = MY 2012
BL = MY 2013
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140405_154856_zpsqyjvtmge.jpg&hash=e3d26b6fb80d7e5db48ebe23cb4a7a39e880e538)
but first hurdle is the wiring as the MK6 wiring changed from the MK5, so i started on this first to re pin the plug with the correct wires in the correct pins.
you will need one of these a pin removal tool
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140412_111453_zpsa0be747e.jpg&hash=5af8a5a9774842c1bc545e93b1a8c21d4a0cbba3)
here is a list of what you need to do (i can't guarantee this is the same for every MK5 but it is for a 2008 R32)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2Fabs_zps87d3ae2b.jpg&hash=19921ec16a0d267315b3448d089630f61f347724)
take the back off the plug to see all the wires
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140412_111605_zpse165d163.jpg&hash=f3f1d5b873b42e0ea3acead43bb5402fc131efc3)
slide the purple locking plastic to the open position in the plug
now use the tool to start removing the pins
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140412_111600_zps03456634.jpg&hash=acd11cab757802466ae5d1a8324032fe4b3b1915)
so there are some cables that are not needed any more as the new ABS unit has some sensors built in rather than being a separate unit, so tape the cables up separately you have them.
once the old ABS unit was out i discovered a small problem vw have decided to swap the size of the 2 inner holes here
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2Fabs_zps6b64de42.jpg&hash=657fb0ffd0e9632a844d85cc7225b7d7534f0b88)
what was m10 is now m12 and vice versa, so luckily brake lines are really cheap from vw so i've ordered a new passenger side brake line from the MK6 which has the correct ends on for the ABS to brake caliper. Ordered from TPS 1K2614723F and also I've got this coming (see pic and eBay link) from the USA (could not find one anywhere in the UK) its an M12 to M10 reducer for brake lines
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140505_180950_zpsfc0b499a.jpg&hash=65c4d68688893e8d480c39b7f2a1f05b2d20baee)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2Fnipple_zps8633c83c.jpg&hash=4b5b9b4e882f4067b81d61215a445d538544f521)
so got to wait now till early may before i can bleed the system and carry on with the whole install.
OK so eventually all my bits turned up, so i could crack on, so first I changed the passenger side brake line as it now has M10 fittings on both ends rather than M12 ABS end M10 brake end.
Then I put the ABS unit back in the car, I decided to order a new MK6 bracket as well, once in piped it all back up
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140425_185631_zps18eff124.jpg&hash=5d772d1d15499dba2b8def939581742b1a1c02a9)
The blue adapter is the M12 to M10 reducer i had to order from American eBay see link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190856703804?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D190856703804%26_rdc%3D1
So at this point i was ready to bleed the brakes, many procedures on line to bleed your brakes, it was a bit of a pain as i'd only done this once before but I'm quite confident now at doing it.
This now leaves two things, basic settings and coding.
After conversing with Eddie he told me to do basic settings first
so please follow this from Ross Tech
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60EC1)
Then finally when this is done we can enter the coding of the unit.
Once again I needed help from Eddie who came up with a code for me to use and it actually went in to the ABS unit, so a massive thanks to him for the Code and the Part number of the ABS module i needed.
so now the car is back on the road, its drivable and I'll be testing park assist over the weekend.
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Right I could now concentrate on wiring the other sensors and the extra switch
I decided i really like my Engine Spin pattern on my MK5 ashtray so I didn't want to buy the MK6 ashtray with the extra switch position in
I hardly use the tyre pressure switch but clearly i still want it, so i moved it to somewhere else, this is easily reversible by buying a new rubber for the bottom of the ashtray.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140422_111808_zps4fc8ee56.jpg&hash=a2bc36ba0aa51279cddb8d8fb7d5f8b39a67052f)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2Fpark_assist%2F20140422_111522_zpsetw2r3op.jpg&hash=42f6aa328fec6b564fff7e195c4311d701fa9091)
Now slight difference in location of the control module in the MK6 to the 5, my unit is behind the driver side trim in the boot MK6 is above the BCM at the front of the car, so i needed to extend the switch and front sensor wires with a bit of soldering to reach the back, quite easily done.
had some teething problems yesterday
1st, steering assist (module 44) was having problems communicating with the park assist (module 10), the can bus wires for module 10 were quite long as i had previously tapped into the Xenon range controller, this length of run was to long, worked OK for OPS but not park assist.
i shortened these to run from the steering wheel control unit (module 16) and it worked a whole lot better
2nd was i got the 2 sensors on the front bumper wired the wrong way round, due to the car systems wiring loom being for a LHD car and i assumed the placement of these which was wrong, swapped the wires over and all was ok
P.S anyone reading this who may need a code for there car please contact Eddie-NL who has the program to assist in building it up, he is quite willing to help
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345
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My first attempt at youtube video
Enjoy
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I'll be following this - looks way above my skill level though :surprised: Great mod mate!!
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Watching and waiting....
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Coding of the ABS pump can't be done via VW
As soon as the factory online coding detects a MK60EC1 it won't allow coding to be done on a car where it is was not fitted.
I helped Si with the part numbers and the coding
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Here we have one of those jobs which isn't possible (or so VW say) but will become a reality and I image,copied extensively so stay at it Si. :congrats:
What sort of money did you give for the ABS unit as I'm just on with the front and rear OPS mod?
Would others need to fit 30 Byte CECM if they intend to copy your mod?
What errors are you expecting not to be able to clear with VCDS?
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Here we have one of those jobs which isn't possible (or so VW say) but will become a reality and I image,copied extensively so stay at it Si. :congrats:
What sort of money did you give for the ABS unit as I'm just on with the front and rear OPS mod?
Would others need to fit 30 Byte CECM if they intend to copy your mod?
What errors are you expecting not to be able to clear with VCDS?
Evening John
I looked at various ABS units from the part numbers Ed gave me (also by year) i decided on the BJ unit as someone else had supplied me with a VCDS scan of a golf R and thats what that car used , varying in price from £80 to over £400 on various ebays, i didn't want the cheapest unit i could find so i stumped for a unit from German ebay for £170 it looked brand new.
as you can see from the carsystems.pl links the upgrade kit cost me £180 from them
I don't think the CECM is going to play any part in the mod, unless you can think of anything i've missed :)
as such i don't know what errors or problems i'm going to get yet with VCDS as I need to wait for various bits to seal the brake system, to then fill it, to bleed it, to start the engine, to do basic settings on the ABS unit via VCDS, to code it up to finally see what faults or problems i have
so lots of little hurdles to come yet mate but i'm really behind this and pretty sure it can be done.
the only thing i'm not sure about is if it will display on a full red MFD for other people to follow this, i have a white one at the mo so hoping again it will be ok??
i'll keep you posted
Si
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I recently retrofitted park assist and front fogs to MKVI match and that's why I said CECM (which BCM) but that's me being silly, cause it was for the fogs.
(That as a job isn't bad, as Eddie-NL kept me right, but those MKVI bumper skins are rubbish and for my money wouldn't stand many goes at removal and refitting!)
Who's the supplier of your pin removal tool? as I use a Laser one which couldn't take a lot of action!
If you do struggle with this I see it more on error free coding than the mechanical aspects,so you could spend as much time solving that, on the plus side at least it's in the comfort of the car, not under it,or on your knees!
Let's know if I can help in anyway and would happily do so!
John.
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A bit of an update, more stuff added to first post, the ABS module is bled and all coded up !! (cheers to Ed for the code) the car is back on the road and going well, will be testing Park assist this weekend after I finish off a small bit of wiring. :smiley:
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A bit of an update, more stuff added to first post, the ABS module is bled and all coded up !! (cheers to Ed for the code) the car is back on the road and going well, will be testing Park assist this weekend after I finish off a small bit of wiring. :smiley:
Hi SI,
Have you tested it yet ?
I met Eddie yesterday and he gave me a demo of his PA 'wow'
Looking forward to this mod on mine 'wink wink' :signLOL:
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Alright jake, nah unfortunately not I was so hungover today spent most of day on the sofa and I'm off to Goodwood tomorrow with a friend, so thankfully we have this 3day weekend so I'll defo be doing it Monday, hope all went well at Ed's.
This is defo a one off where I'm concerned , but hopefully if I prove it all Ed can sort the lot out for you mate :)
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Alright jake, nah unfortunately not I was so hungover today spent most of day on the sofa and I'm off to Goodwood tomorrow with a friend, so thankfully we have this 3day weekend so I'll defo be doing it Monday, hope all went well at Ed's.
This is defo a one off where I'm concerned , but hopefully if I prove it all Ed can sort the lot out for you mate :)
I don't expect you will have any issues :happy2:
It's a bloody cliff hanger following this thread lol.
As for me no more mods lol, I've got to be sensible :rolleye:
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Looking forward to seeing this :happy2:
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Well guys, after a few teething problems from yesterday, which i sorted this morning, i can now report that it actually bloody works.
so after a bit of hart ache, a lot of work, waiting for good weather and a code from Eddie, its all good.
I have not seem this on any other MK5 lots of guys have tried but have got nowhere on other forums, a video will be uploaded soon.
thanks for reading
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Well done Si :congrats:
Looking forward to the video :happy2:
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well done
I love using the park assist, still makes me laugh when it does it.
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Well guys, after a few teething problems from yesterday, which i sorted this morning, i can now report that it actually bloody works.
Well done mate :congrats: that is an achievement !
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well done
I love using the park assist, still makes me laugh when it does it.
Eddie you know what's coming and you won't be laughing :booty: :signLOL:
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Very good read, looking forward to seeing the video!
Very much beyond my skill level!!
Well done
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Congrats Si!!
Im in the middle of the retrofit and cant wait to complete it... Its a cool party trick and never fails to amaze!! Literally like black magic at work haha :happy2:
Enjoy it mate :smiley:
Omar
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videos just uploaded in post 2, love this mod so much.
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Hi eddie, I'm from Canada and I see that you help a member with the coding of the abs module. my mk5 abs module and pump needs to be replaced and believe I have the vwmk60ec1 on my car now.. Would it be possible to code a used mk6 abs module and pump to the car? Thank you. I couldn't find any useful tips on the mk5 forum.
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hi
I just bough 12 sensor ops PLA 2.0 to my golf v gti. I searched like crazy but i couldnt find a any good information about gateway pins.
do you have any picture or information about this? which cable must be into gateways socket?
and also do you have abs sensors coding?