MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 06:42:32 pm

Title: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 06:42:32 pm
well i just got some devil rivieras 18", fitted them to my golf (tdisport) at the weekend and crashed it last night as the front right wheel came off. all the nuts had just fallen out. and i know i put them in good.

just wondering if i needed something else as ther are 18s and i has normal 17" estorils on b4 hand.

any help would be really appreciated as i checked the other wheels and they were coming loose too.
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: jonnyc on February 18, 2009, 06:44:26 pm
well i just got some devil rivieras 18", fitted them to my golf (tdisport) at the weekend and crashed it last night as the front right wheel came off. all the nuts had just fallen out. and i know i put them in good.

just wondering if i needed something else as ther are 18s and i has normal 17" estorils on b4 hand.

any help would be really appreciated as i checked the other wheels and they were coming loose too.

Probably put the wrong bolts in, if you used the OEM bolts on aftermarket wheels thats your problem..

OEM wheels are all conical seat bolts and aftermarket wheels have a taper seat.. Conical seat bolts in an aftermarket wheel will tighten up and then fall out as soon as you drive it..

Good job no one got hurt!
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 07:10:33 pm
what he said /\

also the bolts might need to be longer too depending on the alloy
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 07:32:15 pm
mite sound like a stupid question but where can i get these special bolts from. im a bit of a beginner so if you have a link to some that would be great.  also how could i tell if i needed longer bolts?

thanks again for above advice jc and vc -
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: vwrascal on February 18, 2009, 07:34:17 pm
sorry to hear about your crash   :sad:  do much damage?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: jonnyc on February 18, 2009, 07:42:51 pm
mite sound like a stupid question but where can i get these special bolts from. im a bit of a beginner so if you have a link to some that would be great.  also how could i tell if i needed longer bolts?

thanks again for above advice jc and vc -

Any wheel place will be able to provide you wheel bolts.. The wheels should have came with the bolts anyways..

Measure how much of the bolt length is protruding from the back of the standard wheel with the standard bolts and then you can measure the depth of the hub mounting part of the aftermarket wheel and figure out the bolt length required..

Generally you will need the following..

M14 x 1.5
17mm Hex
30mm length

Jonny
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 07:45:45 pm
yeah it could have been alot worse. the alloys buggered as it was rolling aroung with no bolts in. im taking it to a garage to have a look at the brakes and the bit there attatched to it on the one that fell off. hopefully i wont have nacked the thread.
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 07:53:30 pm
jc,  just as im not getting things wrong. literally just measure the depth of the hole on the car (hub) and then the width the bolt goes through on the wheel. and voila?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: jonnyc on February 18, 2009, 08:01:40 pm
jc,  just as im not getting things wrong. literally just measure the depth of the hole on the car (hub) and then the width the bolt goes through on the wheel. and voila?

No..

Get your standard wheel and put a bolt in one of the bolt holes and measure how much of the bolt would enter the hub. Thats the measurement that your new bolts on your new wheels needs to sit into your hub also..

So now measure from the face of the wheel (that would sit up against the hub) to the very bottom of the bolt seat.. Add those two figures together and then thats how long your bolts need to be..

Its probably going to be pretty much 30mm as I said.. But good to check.
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 08:07:35 pm
thanks mate, ill check that out now.  Im gona have a ring aroung a few places to see if i can get a new alloy and avon too so ill ask them for the bolts tomorrow. do safety wheel lock bolts still do the trick. where the bold head is different? obviously when i get these buggers back on i dont want them being pinched lol
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: jonnyc on February 18, 2009, 08:08:18 pm
thanks mate, ill check that out now.  Im gona have a ring aroung a few places to see if i can get a new alloy and avon too so ill ask them for the bolts tomorrow. do safety wheel lock bolts still do the trick. where the bold head is different? obviously when i get these buggers back on i dont want them being pinched lol

Nope, you will need taper seat locking wheel nuts too..
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: matt a on February 18, 2009, 08:27:04 pm
Sorry to hear about this. Did you not get bolts with the wheels?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 08:35:24 pm
common - (shane) from mkvgolf had some as the supplier sent him an extra set so no bolts.
im trawling through some webpages to see if i can find some but havent a clue, jcs been a good help tho.
Matt -you manage to get all your kit sold?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 08:45:05 pm
Just been on revolution looking for the bolts and they say i may need SPIGOT RINGS, i think i may need these is this true?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: Top Cat on February 18, 2009, 08:49:22 pm
Just been on revolution looking for the bolts and they say i may need SPIGOT RINGS, i think i may need these is this true?

Give the wheelman a PM he will sort you out he does this for a living.  :smiley:
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 09:09:34 pm
crikey mate you've not got the rings either?

some wheels are made for a generic fitment, the rings are added to suit individual fitments to ensure accurate fitment

did that make sense?

Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 09:29:48 pm
yeah i know what you mean, i knew they didnt look right but im a ttl noob to this. i guess ill just give that revo place a ring and just ask them for the bits i need. probs end up paying a bomb but safetys first.
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 09:33:06 pm
rings and bolts arent expensive mate so you'll be fine  :happy2:
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 09:40:15 pm
is there a chance that i could have damaged the thread not on the bolt but on the car ie the hole the bolt goes into?
I feel like a ttl tit about not knowing the basics  :sad: lol
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 09:45:00 pm
impossible to tell without looking but can still be corrected with a tap and dye device to clean the pattern of the thread, worst case increased in size with a new one, thats just labour costs but most garages will clean the thread for free in a case like this i reckon...if it was needed
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 09:48:04 pm
any of you guys know of a good garage to take it too to get it checked out and get all the bits round the newcasltle area. just i dont want to be driving it round much with the other 3 wheels still on with the wrong nuts.

Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 09:49:34 pm
er...dude...I wouldn't be driving it around at all if the wheels fall off  :grin:

put your old rims back on
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: Top Cat on February 18, 2009, 09:50:44 pm
any of you guys know of a good garage to take it too to get it checked out and get all the bits round the newcasltle area. just i dont want to be driving it round much with the other 3 wheels still on with the wrong nuts.



Mr Chip can you not put the other wheels back on. If not dont drive your car anywhere. Get it checked out by a qualified person first.  :smiley:
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 18, 2009, 10:04:32 pm
yeah i was planning on that just thought all the bolts would be nackard after my escapade.
garages?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: matt a on February 19, 2009, 07:03:39 pm
Whats your wheel situation? (oem set, plus the devils?)

Do you have your original wheels you can put back on the car?
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: savechip17 on February 19, 2009, 07:12:26 pm
yeah got estorils 17" but lost the bolts, and the rivieras, practically 1 day old.
Title: Re: 18" fitment issues
Post by: jonnyc on February 19, 2009, 07:19:17 pm
yeah got estorils 17" but lost the bolts, and the rivieras, practically 1 day old.

Bolts are just over a £1 each.. Quite a good investment if you ask me..  :wink: