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Title: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 25, 2010, 02:50:36 pm
Right.....Im considered the Forum brake geek, so Im thinking about brakes most days inbetween times when Im doing the day job. I've supplied quite a few BBK, components, hoses etc. Always trying to offer a bit of value here and there. Now whats always bugged me is the cost.....Your AP/Alcon/Brembo/ Caparro Kits cost anywhere between 1500-2000 quid - so where can you go if you've got a staged ED30/GTI with 312's.....the R32 setup is probably going to be your first port of call and for what it costs done properly (Circa 400 quid) I've said before its great value.

But its heavy, single piston (which aint great on the limit) pad choice is limited and therefore suitable for a couple of hard laps on track days before proving troublesome....

Its bugged me for a bit...so what if we could find a plentyful supply of calipers (4 pot) proven on track and road, with a wide choice of pads.... quiet for your daily but with a jekyll and hide personality in terms of performance when you put some sporting pads in. What if we could do it with cheap consumables (Plain/Grooved Discs 60/90 quid), (Pads 40-250 quid) with an upgrade path to a reasonable set of two piece discs (<6kg per corner) for those that do more track days than others in your own good time.

What if it was coming in at around 5-600 quid.

Its not going to suit the biggest is best brigade but aesthetically its pleasing and can pack a punch....

I dont do track days personally and only do about 10000 motorway miles a year so I'm not the best person to test these for the benefit of all, my plan would be to supply the brackets and bolts and hoses for these for less than 200 quid. Everything else you need would come from a Porsche Dealer or Ebay or a Breakers Yard. The target price 5-600 quid is achievable

Theres 4-5 pairs on ebay right now- thinking it could be a performance alternative to the R32 setup

The Calipers are the fronts of a 986/987 Cayman/Boxster and.....

Are 4 pots, compact configured for a 24-25mm disc, lightweight with a 800 gram carrier and pads, readily available with upwards of 20 different compounds available from crap mintex to Pagid RS29 through Carbon Metallics. The piston sizes though are where its at... the 36/40mm pistons are common for the front of a 996 Carrera 2 which is why Im convinced this would be a star performer with a great pedal with plenty of power the maths really stack up

The discs are your standard 312mm discs on your GTI/ED30 - the 2 piece rotors could be purchased from AP directly with me supplying the bells and bolts and would be 315mm with a 54mm swept area - still working on this.

So I need a Guinea Pig whos got track days / ring trips planned, runs a standard 18" wheel, whos running a staged GTI or Edition 30/Pirelli , a technical background would be helpful, whos running 312mm discs at the moment, who crapped his pants due to lack of braking last timeout who's good with a camera and could do a review on here....phew

Any deal done would be very favourable and at cost as im looking with to keep this thread going for install, FAQ's, reviews, refurbish how tos etc etc with Mr Guinea Pigs help

Some Pics

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: chungster on April 25, 2010, 03:03:41 pm
im liking the sound of this. Will keep an eye on thsi one then to see how it comes along.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: gazbutS3 on April 25, 2010, 03:23:51 pm
Ok first silly question, will it work with the S3/R32 sized disc or are they too thick????
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 25, 2010, 03:25:06 pm
try mater, he was lookin into an R32 setup before his wedding
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 25, 2010, 03:32:37 pm
Ok first silly question, will it work with the S3/R32 sized disc or are they too thick????

Fraid Not Gaz  - like me too thick + wrong offset.

Only silly questions are the ones that didn't get asked.  :grin:

Besides trying to keep the weight down/performance up, wont suit scene queens thinking more about the "Clubman on a budget" thing with these
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: gazbutS3 on April 25, 2010, 03:34:47 pm
Ok first silly question, will it work with the S3/R32 sized disc or are they too thick????

Fraid Not Gaz  - like me too thick + wrong offset.

Only silly questions are the ones that didn't get asked.  :grin:

Besides trying to keep the weight down/performance up, wont suit SCENE QUEENS thinking more about the "Clubman on a budget" thing with these


What did you just call me???? :laugh:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 25, 2010, 03:36:27 pm
i think one of the forum moderators should change your username to that gaz :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 25, 2010, 03:49:59 pm
Errrrrr thats not what I meant honest   :ashamed:

 :notworthy: :notworthy:Soz Gaz :notworthy: :notworthy:  :scared:

What I was meaning was those that lets say focus on aesthetics over performance...........

You've got S3 brakes at the moment unless it turns out to be a total success there seems litle point going from your current setup to these.

I get asked to put big big brakes on all sorts of stock engined cars so when I explain that its going to take 40 of the available 140BHP to cart them around people lose interest so if you're running/planning 350BHP then its 6 pot 340-360 kits all the way. Im thinking the 250-290BHP trackday/clubman bracket here really
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: gazbutS3 on April 25, 2010, 03:58:52 pm
Errrrrr thats not what I meant honest   :ashamed:

 :notworthy: :notworthy:Soz Gaz :notworthy: :notworthy:  :scared:

What I was meaning was those that lets say focus on aesthetics over performance...........

You've got S3 brakes at the moment unless it turns out to be a total success there seems litle point going from your current setup to these.

I get asked to put big big brakes on all sorts of stock engined cars so when I explain that its going to take 40 of the available 140BHP to cart them around people lose interest so if you're running/planning 350BHP then its 6 pot 340-360 kits all the way. Im thinking the 250-290BHP trackday/clubman bracket here really

only pulling yer leg Dave :pomppomp:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Smudgster on April 25, 2010, 04:32:37 pm
Subscribed to this thread very interested!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: mortygttdi on April 25, 2010, 05:07:10 pm
What about us lowly 190bhp black smog brigade Dave?? :happy2: 

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: disturbed on April 25, 2010, 06:13:48 pm
Edit: Sorry, see on the pic that the pistons are different, this one have a hole but in vw it is a completed pice.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 25, 2010, 06:22:31 pm
Nope - totally different.. proper porsche calipers get hard annodised pistons - not plated so to speak
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: SteveP on April 25, 2010, 06:52:46 pm
I will be interested in a set for the otherhalfs Posh Golf as that really struggles on the 312's   :scared:

But I would prefer to see someone on the site in a Mk5 benefit from this generous offer  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: alex_chung on April 25, 2010, 07:02:23 pm
Interesting stuff Dave! Subscribed to thread to see the developments, this would have been helpful about a year ago before I got my Tarox's.
Alex
p.s. still need to get back in touch with you Dave about my R32 rears  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 26, 2010, 10:04:43 pm
Snared! Not one but two....look out for some install pics over the weekend

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Top Cat on April 26, 2010, 10:36:43 pm
Good luck with that Dave i know who one of them is.  :signLOL:

And is it me, or does that hamster do all his brake fitting with his left hand. paw.  thingy.  :laugh:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: wigit on April 26, 2010, 10:48:11 pm
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Nikiforos on April 27, 2010, 08:16:43 am
Dave very interesting project :congrats:

I think it would be very interesting ,for a  lot of GTI owners,if you could find for us a caliper solution

for the R32 thick discs.

A 4-6 pistons caliper with popular pad choises, would be great for a lot of people who run r32 brakes(incl.cupra,s3 etc)

and visit track quite often.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: matsu on April 27, 2010, 08:32:00 am
would definatley be interested but due the criteria
got track days / ring trips planned, runs a standard 18" wheel, whos running a staged GTI or Edition 30/Pirelli , a technical background would be helpful, whos running 312mm discs at the moment, who crapped his pants due to lack of braking last timeout who's good with a camera and could do a review on here....phew

and me being a complete numpty :sad1:
 ill just wait for the results and buy later when i need to change my brakes.
good luck with this
matsu
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: joesgti on April 27, 2010, 08:32:29 am
i was honestly shocked at how much the R32 kit weighs compared to this set up!! it really is un real!!  :surprised:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: john_o on April 27, 2010, 01:37:59 pm
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Greeners on April 27, 2010, 01:45:37 pm
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P

+1  :fighting:

 :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 27, 2010, 02:43:40 pm
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P

+1  :fighting:

 :wink:
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P

Normally you understand I would feel remorse but in fairness you're not waking up at 4am with this crap in your head...IM CURSED!

 :laugh:  :rolleye:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 27, 2010, 02:59:32 pm
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P

+1  :fighting:

 :wink:
great! so what your saying is you sold me a brake kit thats no good  :confused:   :signLOL:

be good to see how this pans out  :happy2: but sadly its many months too late for me, I'm stuck with R32 setup now  :P

Normally you understand I would feel remorse but in fairness you're not waking up at 4am with this crap in your head...IM CURSED!

 :laugh:  :rolleye:

I know the feeling, my head is full or tons of useless info  :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Top Cat on April 27, 2010, 03:09:27 pm
Count yourselves lucky mine is full of space. And i dont mean the final frontier.  :rolleye:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: mortygttdi on April 27, 2010, 07:56:58 pm
Dave you should count yourself lucky mate Ive got the whole internet going round in my head :rolleye: thinking of how I can get round certain things that need putting in peoples cars,  I can now strip a RNS510 down in 3 minutes flat and I need to know how I can kick every bodies backsides at FK automotive and Venom Motorsport.... :evilgrin:

Need more time in a day :sleepy:

Darren 
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: john_o on April 27, 2010, 09:55:21 pm
on a serious note Dave, even with a dual piston is the capacity of the 312mm disc ok?
the big plus on the R32 was a greatly increased capacity before it heat soaks..
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 27, 2010, 10:55:08 pm
on a serious note Dave, even with a dual piston is the capacity of the 312mm disc ok?
the big plus on the R32 was a greatly increased capacity before it heat soaks..

Good point John

The answer is we'll see, was at questmead today and John there when asked to enter the Mintex part numbers for boxster fronts came up with 18 different pads in stock.

I think this is the potential win with this setup, you'll be able to accurately get the right pad for the degree of heat that you're generating. Having said that the R32 30mm thick disc does give some margin in terms of being able to absorb the heat. (From memory you need 40% more heat to get the same temp increase for every 10% increase in disc width) but with the limited pad choice you may not get a pad to generate that heat and deal with it before the pad itself starts letting you down.

It is considerably lighter as well. I've been talking to questmead about the 315mm 2 piece disc option, the rotor itself is inside of 5.5kg another 1.6 kg for the bell and carrier and bolts..... imagine this setup bolted to the S3 Hub and lower arms. Comparing this utopia setup to an steel hubbed ED30 with R32 brakes and you could be looking at saving nearly 20kg per corner.

Not only is that good for handling its also good for straight line speed.

Lots done but still lots to do, the proof is in the hooning. Joes car is getting the kit on Friday Afternoon, its got a week of fast road to put up with then some ring laps, hopefully Joe will be able to compare laps on a standard quality OEM Pagid road pad and then with a quality track pad that we elected on today an SBS Carbon Ceramic with a tale of the tape very similar to a Pagid RS4-4 Orange. Those pads cost me £60 which brings me back to cheap consumable / clubman ethos Im trying to work with

Its been fun getting it this far, heres the kit awaiting fitment at ADS in Preston, Dave Massey there does a good job on installs he's got a knack of getting a good pedal be it single/4/6/8 pot which isn't always the case with other installers, he's also a revo dealer so he's going to give Joes car a once over prior to the mass forum exodus to Shermoney next week.

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Top Cat on April 28, 2010, 07:38:19 am
All sounds really good,  but as far as i can see, you still have not addressed the major flaw with this set-up and test run.  :smiley:



















JOESGTI
:jumpmove: :jumpmove: :driver:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: joesgti on April 28, 2010, 09:05:59 am
i knew that was coming!!  :fighting2:

Il let everyone know my initial impressions on Friday. Dave your a star!!  :star:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 28, 2010, 09:11:34 am
 
All sounds really good,  but as far as i can see, you still have not addressed the major flaw with this set-up and test run.  :smiley:


Well actually as a matter of fact, if it is a flaw its been taken care of    :wink:  .....We have another onto the test team! (sounds very grand doesnt it!  :laugh:)

Stokey's going to be looking at things a little more empirically and has graciously offered to help on the fitting/measuring/how-to side of things..Having had a staged ED30 on 312's then the S3 setup then probably one of the best performing Porsche BBK's available for track work (The 996TT Big Red Setup) its going to be a very welcome input.

DaveR's engineerings background will is going to be the ying to Joes Yang, QD was uber helpful in refining the 996TT setup and we're swapping measurement/ideas already with the holy grail being affordable ED30/GTI brakes commensurate with the 250-300BHP thats readily available - all I want Joe to do is enjoy the kit and try to break it at the ring with some track pads basically. Joe mentioned he may let others have a go in his car so hopefully even more input will be had.


So ladies and gents may I present tester number 2 - Quality Dave (was trying to find a guinea pig from one of the Disney Films in epaullettes but failed)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drrant.net%2Fuploaded_images%2FDr-guinea-pig-735458.jpg&hash=9114017afec63a68f7b805e2c4a8d6d744a7a7cb)

Soz Dave!  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: FamilyDub on April 28, 2010, 10:20:01 am
This thread is so interesting! Most of it means totally nothing to me, though.

Joe mentioned he may let others have a go in his car so hopefully even more input will be had.

^^^ Queue the flood of offers to 'help', Joe.  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: joesgti on April 28, 2010, 10:23:15 am
itl be alot more interesting on friday!  :party:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: conneem on April 30, 2010, 11:49:05 pm
itl be alot more interesting on friday!  :party:

It's Friday  :laugh:

Any updates?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: QD MBE on May 01, 2010, 09:13:41 am
Sitrep

The brakes are on, and working well.  The pictures were taken and unfortunately Mr B has been called away with his Jet-Setting Job (South France in his jet -  :fighting:) and he has the SD card and a bust Lappy. 

He assures me Tues will see pics.  He wants to release the pics as part of this thread.

I will be fitting a set to my car post the forum pilgrimage to the Ring.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 01, 2010, 09:27:53 am
Bonjour from the rather glamourous reception area at the  Holiday Inn Saint Lurent du Var - sorry about the cockup chaps but I ran out with my camera as today mostly I will be enjoying the mediterranean sun watching this:

http://www.acm.mc/gpmh/gpmh_main.php?lng=en (http://www.acm.mc/gpmh/gpmh_main.php?lng=en)

Yep thats right......not quite sure which qualifying will be more interesting

The Pre 1975 Formula 1 or the 75-78 Formula 1 .......Decisions Decisions, not sure my credit card will take the strain......oh hang on....I'll be using the company one instead..... :evilgrin:

And before you all start thinking I live a charmed life - I've got two days in Doncaster next week..

Im sure I'll cope with it though, I'll just have to imagine I'm back in Monaco which I will be from the 14th through to the 17th of May.....wonder what could I could find to watch that weekend 

 :evilgrin:  :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Insults welcome and expertly dodged or brushed off  :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: Jono76 on May 01, 2010, 09:59:21 am
I'd do 2 days in 'Donie' to be able to sit in Monaco watching those glorious machines  :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: joesgti on May 01, 2010, 11:10:00 am
all will be updated on tuesday with pics and review.  :innocent:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....They're on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 03, 2010, 09:14:41 pm

Ok so it all fits, brakes went on and lets just say seem to be working and Joes Happy

Dave at ADS took the chance to rebleed the brakes today and took these pics I'm having some major IT issues at the mo, the more I think about this the more I get revved up, the difficult bit of any brake conversion is the carriers and the geometry needs to be bang on with these as the cayman only uses a 24mm thick disc and the 312 is 25mm, but it all works.

We've gotten over the first hump and proven the pedal which is reported as very good, they seem to be bedding in nicely, next hump is the ring trip where hopefully they'll get a work out with some track pads, it'll also be a chance to try some different wheels over them, then Dave R's set'll will go on and we can get a comparison to the setups thats Dave has already experienced on the target car which is the ED30

Calipers & Hoses & Bolts £200

Two calipers with used pads/fitting kits and a sensor already in like this £280 delivered



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-986-Boxster-Left-Front-Brembo-Brake-Caliper-/350343704213?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51921cae95 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-986-Boxster-Left-Front-Brembo-Brake-Caliper-/350343704213?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51921cae95)


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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: gobbleplease on May 03, 2010, 09:20:41 pm
Looks good ! are those porker calipers brand new or reconditioned ?

Dave are you getting my pms, didnt want to phone ya incase you were away again, Ta.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 03, 2010, 09:23:16 pm
Got them mate, managed to request the prices by email before my lappy died.....

Will get you sorted this week bud promise - just got back from a tour.

Calipers are refurbed - standard boxster calipers are like an annodised black/blue finish
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: paulk on May 03, 2010, 09:26:11 pm
will these fit onto the s3 r32 discs ?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: QD MBE on May 03, 2010, 09:27:36 pm
Looking good Mr B.  Looking forward to fitting a set and testing them.
 :congrats: :congrats:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: QD MBE on May 03, 2010, 09:28:30 pm
will these fit onto the s3 r32 discs ?

No, designed for 24-25mm thick discs, R32/S3 are 30mm thick.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: danishmkvgti on May 03, 2010, 09:29:28 pm
will these fit onto the s3 r32 discs ?

actually r32/s3 is 32mm, Dave correct me if i'm wrong  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: paulk on May 03, 2010, 09:31:35 pm
cool  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: QD MBE on May 03, 2010, 09:32:00 pm
will these fit onto the s3 r32 discs ?

actually r32/s3 is 32mm, Dave correct me if i'm wrong  :smiley:

edit - they are 30mm thick...........................  Confusion reigns.......


OT your guards are in country.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: danishmkvgti on May 03, 2010, 09:36:20 pm
will these fit onto the s3 r32 discs ?

actually r32/s3 is 32mm, Dave correct me if i'm wrong  :smiley:

ooops my bad thought I had typed 32mm...................  trying to type too fast............... and drink a cup of tea at the same time................

OT your guards are in country.

Nope, they are in car  :wink:  :laugh: already picked them up, cheers mate  :drinking:
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 03, 2010, 09:37:31 pm
R32/S3 =30mm
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Post by: danishmkvgti on May 03, 2010, 09:38:39 pm
R32/S3 =30mm

i knew you knew  :smiley:  :notworthy:
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Post by: QD MBE on May 03, 2010, 09:40:58 pm
I thought so, i have just checked on Apec website, trying to do too much at once here ..........................

http://www.apec-braking.co.uk/search.php?cat=friction&item=677465 (http://www.apec-braking.co.uk/search.php?cat=friction&item=677465)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Read On
Post by: joesgti on May 03, 2010, 10:04:05 pm
my first impressions of these are awesome!! they were a little tight at firts but Dave assured me that thats normal for a  new setup. Had them re-fitted today,

they have totaly looseded up now and feel great, pulled off the motorway from 70mph and forgot i had just had them fitted  :signLOL: nearly threw me and my girlfriend kim through the window!!  :signLOL:

will go for a nice drive tomorrow and them them cooked up abit. il see how they feel  :driver: :jumpmove:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on May 03, 2010, 10:08:32 pm
what pads are you using??  this is a really good option and i hope it works out.  Id wager this would be alot better than the R32 setup, the only issue i can envisage is dissapation of heat with only a small disc. 

Some ducting would sort that though
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Post by: roastpuff on May 10, 2010, 11:35:30 am
Any more news on this? Greatly waiting with bated breath...

Also, what is the smallest wheel size that will fit over these brakes? Are 16" wheels still doable?
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Post by: DanGB on May 10, 2010, 11:47:37 am
what pads are you using??  this is a really good option and i hope it works out.  Id wager this would be alot better than the R32 setup, the only issue i can envisage is dissapation of heat with only a small disc. 

Some ducting would sort that though

But the upside to the size is of course less weight!
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Post by: roastpuff on May 15, 2010, 01:07:24 am
Bump!
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Post by: jmspear on May 15, 2010, 07:50:11 am
will this kit fit under the std GTI 17" wheels or do i have to have 18"s. If yes I will def have a kit, don't do any track work in my modded GTI (275HP, 315lbft) but the std brakes do not inspire me with confidence at all when pressing on  :wink:
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Post by: keith on May 15, 2010, 09:55:31 am
I like the calipers but I dont like the porsche writing on them.
I bought a brand new set of OEM R32 front discs and pads and what a weight in them got them for £160 but I am going to hold of on fitting them to my existing front R32 set up and also hang fire on fitting the rear set up.
so this leads me to my question with this new front new set up how will it integrate with the oem rear set or would we be better to upgrade the rears to the R32.
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Post by: roastpuff on May 15, 2010, 11:19:04 am
Or can you fit the Boxster rears to the GTI as well?

Will this kit work? http://cgi.ebay.ca/Porsche-986-Brake-Up-Grade-to-Boxster-S-Big-Reds_W0QQitemZ170486216869QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item27b1c538a5 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Porsche-986-Brake-Up-Grade-to-Boxster-S-Big-Reds_W0QQitemZ170486216869QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item27b1c538a5)

I like the calipers but I dont like the porsche writing on them.
I bought a brand new set of OEM R32 front discs and pads and what a weight in them got them for £160 but I am going to hold of on fitting them to my existing front R32 set up and also hang fire on fitting the rear set up.
so this leads me to my question with this new front new set up how will it integrate with the oem rear set or would we be better to upgrade the rears to the R32.
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Post by: roastpuff on May 18, 2010, 05:43:32 am
Bump!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: joesgti on May 18, 2010, 09:42:28 am
check out my project.  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 18, 2010, 12:50:08 pm
i see you thought the brakes were smashing but were smoking after two laps.  what pads, hoses and fluids are you running.  how much stronger than stock would you say they are, as there isnt really any mechanical advantage from being on a bigger disc
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Post by: joesgti on May 18, 2010, 01:13:58 pm
ss hoses, sbs ceramic pads. the difference between std and these is night and day, also the handling is improved as they weigh feck all compared to std, especially the std R32 setup.

once the race pads got hot they went to a new level again, and was by far outbraking alot over other cars round the ring. to say i was impressed is an understatement.  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: JPC on May 18, 2010, 01:21:48 pm
I wouldn't really worry about a bit if smoking after spanking it doing two laps of the ring. Most brakes would do that. Especially with new pads and discs. Nothing to worry about in my eyes.
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Post by: joesgti on May 18, 2010, 01:34:04 pm
yea, the smoke was probably down to brand new pads to be fair. and the wheel liners were melting so that probably contributed!!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 18, 2010, 02:52:33 pm
Smoke & Smell can be easily confused for heat - which sometimes is/sometimes isn't the case. Its common to have excessive smell on track pads as its the final part of the resin setting process. If you look at a set of track pads that have finally been persuaded to bed in properly you inevitably find a 2-3mm water/tide mark on the side of the friction material where the resins within the compounds have gone "off" stabilisng the pad for track work.

Its looking promising for these  calipers, couple of installation issues which are far from insurmountable, which are not "engineeroutable" more to do with the differences in production of the caliper.

I had a pax ride in the car post installation and they did feel very very good even on OEM equivalent road pads. I didn't drive the car as Joe wasn't there but tried the pedal and it felt good. 36mm/40mm is a good all round piston combination on a Mk5
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Post by: mortygttdi on May 18, 2010, 03:55:22 pm
Dave is this why you was asking about my disk size,  I think this combo would be great on the heavier chipped diesels cos my gti brakes are IMO very poor although the pads are quite new the pedal feel is really bad compared to say my previous focus ST.

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: roastpuff on May 18, 2010, 04:29:24 pm

Its looking promising for these  calipers, couple of installation issues which are far from insurmountable, which are not "engineeroutable" more to do with the differences in production of the caliper.


Dave, are you going to be making the brackets available for purchase soon? Also, what are the installation issues to watch out for?

I'm really eager to upgrade my brakes with this kit.  :happy2:
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Post by: B3n on May 18, 2010, 05:05:54 pm
How much are we going to be looking for a set of these? PM me if you wish.

Also will they fit behind standard Monza 2's or is it going to be an excuse for me to get new wheels aswell :party:
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Post by: Richn83 on May 18, 2010, 05:10:52 pm
How much are we going to be looking for a set of these? PM me if you wish.

Also will they fit behind standard Monza 2's or is it going to be an excuse for me to get new wheels aswell :party:

Think the initial post stated to fit behind standard 18" wheels, but sure you could lie to who ever you have to if its an excuse your after......  :evilgrin:
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Post by: B3n on May 18, 2010, 05:18:29 pm
Hmm yeah so it does :laugh:

Oh well ill wipe that bit from my memory and convince myself i will need new wheels aswell :drinking:
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Post by: Richn83 on May 18, 2010, 05:20:23 pm
Hmm yeah so it does :laugh:

Oh well ill wipe that bit from my memory and convince myself i will need new wheels aswell :drinking:

Sorry correction B3N just re-read the first post and it say behind standard 18" wheels apart from Monza II's due to the slightly thicker hollow spokes....  :evilgrin:
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Post by: B3n on May 18, 2010, 06:34:14 pm
Yeah thats what i thought it said :laugh:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on May 18, 2010, 06:35:35 pm
whats the going rate for these anyway??
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 18, 2010, 08:46:17 pm

Its looking promising for these  calipers, couple of installation issues which are far from insurmountable, which are not "engineeroutable" more to do with the differences in production of the caliper.


Dave, are you going to be making the brackets available for purchase soon? Also, what are the installation issues to watch out for?

I'm really eager to upgrade my brakes with this kit.  :happy2:

Well simply put the discs on a boxster are 24mm wide and we're using a 25mm disc so the gap between the pad pegs and the disc is fairly tight, its not a problem and we can engineer a bracket to position the disc centrally but its not interchangeable between calipers because not all calipers are the same.

Add to that a bit of track heat and its too close for comfort.

The simple answer which we achieved with Joes brakes was simply using a dremel tool remove approximately 1mm of material from the ends of the pad pegs, this gave us loads of clearance and the clearance issue didn't rear its head even after Joes best efforts in shermany.

Just to review where we're at.....

Brackets and VAG/Porsche HEL hose kit £200 delivered

In addition you'll need these off ebay item number 260600046912 or similar, porsche part number 986.351.421 & 422.

These can be purchased from Porsche Brand New for around £395 and a pad fitting kit is about £30 Pagid Pads maybe £40, 8 pad dampning shims about £30

If you buy some late model boxster/cayman calipers from ebay you'll probably pay £250 but you'll get the pad fitting kit/shims/pads probably thrown in, OEM pads are very good quality from Porsche and I personally wouldn't have any qualms about tidying them up and reusing them giving them a couple of 100 miles of very light use to give them a chance to bed in.

Brand new 312's are £60 for aftermarket ones, I've been debating whether or not OEM originals or good quality aftermarket 312's would be best but to be honest you need to treat them as disposable.

Joe for example seems to have got some pad deposits on his discs so naturally the next couse of action would be to skim them, but for an additional £30 we could get new ones - see what I mean .......affordable hooning

Joes Track pads were by RED pads by SBS, they aren't in production any more as SBS didn't really push them hard over their normal OEM aftermarket products. The Mitsubishi EVO guys rate the SBS pads for tarmac rallys and such like but Joes pads  only cost £50 and probably have got 10-12mm of material left for another couple of track days

So for as little as £500 (£200 to me, £250 to ebay, £50 ish track pads) you've got yourself a track capable 4 pot setup that appears to be holding its own. If it all goes horribly wrong and everything gets toasted/warped/cracked/fcuked you spend £60 on some new discs and put your road pads back in and drive home......

Joe was pushing (from what I hear  :grin:) and didn't get any fade, having said that the ring isn't too bad on brakes, I'd feel better if we'd had a chance to get them round Oulton. In addition joes discs were just plain items not drilled , not grooved which would also help

Stage two of development (a lightweight two piece disc option ) is going on hold for a little while as Stokey plans have changed.

Ive got a carrier/hose package here now and I've got a set of refurbed red calipers that were going to be stokeys, they are very presentable that somebody can have with a fitting kit for £300. I would do it for a little less to somebody who's got some track days planned and was running monza II's and would help with some more feedback etc
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 18, 2010, 09:05:42 pm
does that mean that every time you change pads, you would need to dremel some material of the backing plate of the pads
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 18, 2010, 09:10:51 pm
No the pad pegs are on the caliper give me 2 mins I'll put a pic up, do it once on install and forget about it.
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 18, 2010, 09:20:26 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw69%2Fdave_brown1970%2FDSC01091.jpg&hash=eb9e7849cabd149332f16c5853bed17c2d8076b9)

Its a case of removing some of the pad peg - not as much as I've shown here ....straightforward really
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Post by: Janner_Sy on May 18, 2010, 09:21:21 pm
thats not to bad then
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Post by: roastpuff on May 18, 2010, 10:08:06 pm
Dave, what if I'm planning on track days, but am not in the UK and am not using Monza II's?

I'm guessing it's going to be 300 for the calipers and kit and 200 for the brackets/hoses, correct?
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Post by: mo on May 18, 2010, 10:39:08 pm
Hi,
Will these fit behind pescara's?

Mo
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Post by: joesgti on May 19, 2010, 08:35:15 am
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw69%2Fdave_brown1970%2FDSC01091.jpg&hash=eb9e7849cabd149332f16c5853bed17c2d8076b9)

Its a case of removing some of the pad peg - not as much as I've shown here ....straightforward really

alot of the actual peg end is just excess powdercoat.
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Post by: jmspear on May 20, 2010, 04:06:00 pm
DaveB pm sent  :wink: John
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Post by: muckipup on May 20, 2010, 06:01:30 pm
I love the sound of this set up and the fun of the project  :happy2:

It looks like those calipers are as rare as rocking horse poo at the moment especially arounf the £250 mark. I wish I had seen this thread when there were still a bunch on ebay (thanks for pointing it out to me anyway, VRSy!).  Are they really £395 for both sides from Porsche new?
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 20, 2010, 06:36:18 pm
DaveB pm sent  :wink: John

Replied - welcomes!!!

I love the sound of this set up and the fun of the project  :happy2:

It looks like those calipers are as rare as rocking horse poo at the moment especially arounf the £250 mark. I wish I had seen this thread when there were still a bunch on ebay (thanks for pointing it out to me anyway, VRSy!).  Are they really £395 for both sides from Porsche new?

Yep its incredible isn't it, if you look at "porsche calipers" on ebay you'll find all sorts of calipers referred to as "Big Reds" wheras in fact they were the calipers from a 993 BiTurbo - they fetch £600 caked in crap on ebay and maybe £700 for the same caliper but "Big Blacks" off a 928 GT - price from the dealer.........£280 a piece.

The calipers are current and fitted to a cayman and yes £395. They're a kind of blue black colour new, I was actually wrong in the previous post when I said that you need to buy the £35 pad fitting kit....Its actually included with the caliper. You're still into a pad wear sensor £10 and £30's worth of pad dampners which makes the kit very road civilised. Obviously you dont need dampners on track pads.

Its shaping up to be a good kit - slightly more money than an R32 setup but lighter and a great pedal.
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Post by: jmspear on May 20, 2010, 06:39:07 pm
Rare as rocking horse sh*t?? Two different listings went in the last three days and I bought the second set with pads, sensors etc for less than £250  :happy2: and have just bought Daves mounting set and am at castle combe on the 3rd, will test going into camp and quarry on full chat :scared:, hope they are as good as the thread suggests (gotta be better than the std set up)
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Post by: keith on May 20, 2010, 09:58:51 pm
sorry dumb here- each porsche new caliper - £395 per one . 2x£395 plus the £200 kit for a full front setup
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Post by: jmspear on May 20, 2010, 10:39:11 pm
or £235 for two calipers in good nick of flebay and £200 to Dave, so am £435 so far plus disks and pads, (my calipers will be coming with pads but don't know what nick they are in?  jobs a good un (i hope  :happy2:)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 20, 2010, 10:43:06 pm
sorry dumb here- each porsche new caliper - £395 per one . 2x£395 plus the £200 kit for a full front setup

£395 is for the pair Keith  :happy2:
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Post by: muckipup on May 21, 2010, 12:15:28 am
Rare as rocking horse sh*t?? Two different listings went in the last three days and I bought the second set with pads, sensors etc for less than £250  :happy2: and have just bought Daves mounting set and am at castle combe on the 3rd, will test going into camp and quarry on full chat :scared:, hope they are as good as the thread suggests (gotta be better than the std set up)

You jammy sod! Ok, I'm going to have to rethink my ebay search strategy as I've been looking over that time and only came up with finished listings. Thank the lordy that I was doing it in company time as I'd hate to have wasted my own  :laugh:
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Post by: muckipup on May 21, 2010, 12:20:38 am

The calipers are current and fitted to a cayman and yes £395. They're a kind of blue black colour new, I was actually wrong in the previous post when I said that you need to buy the £35 pad fitting kit....Its actually included with the caliper. You're still into a pad wear sensor £10 and £30's worth of pad dampners which makes the kit very road civilised. Obviously you dont need dampners on track pads.

Its shaping up to be a good kit - slightly more money than an R32 setup but lighter and a great pedal.

You've confused me a bit there Dave - the pictures of dem big red things in the earlier posts aren't the Cayman calipers (which are blue/black) but the Cayman's will work with your kit too?...or am I being dense and looking a pair of Cayman calipers painted red  :smiley:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on May 21, 2010, 12:27:47 am
you liking the idea of this one then muckipup.  makes more sense to me than the R32s.  you an always rely on me to help you empty your wallet :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 21, 2010, 06:58:54 am
Quote
You've confused me a bit there Dave - the pictures of dem big red things in the earlier posts aren't the Cayman calipers (which are blue/black) but the Cayman's will work with your kit too?...or am I being dense and looking a pair of Cayman calipers painted red

They're Cayman calipers that have received some TLC buddy....

If anybody could be arsed and set about ringing some Porsche breakers with the criteria being:

1. Max Budget £250 (Doable when explained to Mr. B.Reaker that they're sub £400 new)
2. No more than 3 years Old late model Cayman/2.7 Boxtser
3. Pads etc included
4. Great Condition

I'm sure that you'd get a better deal than on ebay.

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Post by: Janner_Sy on May 21, 2010, 07:27:30 am
must admit i had a look on the net just now, and there are alot of porsche calipers but they all seem above £400
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Post by: muckipup on May 21, 2010, 11:24:05 am
you liking the idea of this one then muckipup.  makes more sense to me than the R32s.  you an always rely on me to help you empty your wallet :happy2:

Yeah, not that I need much help in emptying my wallet. I was on the sniff for some second hand R32s but I love the idea of this. Unfortunately the nice chaps at JKM pointed out the wear on the inside edges of both rear tyres in addition to the balding fronts that I knew about so it's 4 new tyres and a geo next week for the cost that would have just about paid for this  :sad1:  Like you, I have only seen the £400+ calipers but, as Dave said, perhaps searching for "Porsche calipers" and narrowing it down manually may be more sensible as it seems there are a few ways for seller to describe what they're selling.

I'm going to sort the tyres first and start saving  :happy2:

Quote
You've confused me a bit there Dave - the pictures of dem big red things in the earlier posts aren't the Cayman calipers (which are blue/black) but the Cayman's will work with your kit too?...or am I being dense and looking a pair of Cayman calipers painted red

They're Cayman calipers that have received some TLC buddy....

If anybody could be arsed and set about ringing some Porsche breakers with the criteria being:

1. Max Budget £250 (Doable when explained to Mr. B.Reaker that they're sub £400 new)
2. No more than 3 years Old late model Cayman/2.7 Boxtser
3. Pads etc included
4. Great Condition

I'm sure that you'd get a better deal than on ebay.



Thanks Dave...so it was the latter and I was being dense  :wink:
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Post by: jmspear on May 21, 2010, 04:12:08 pm
Try Porsche brakes as well  :wink: there now the genie is out the bottle.......................................
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Post by: keith on May 21, 2010, 10:25:18 pm
sorry dumb here- each porsche new caliper - £395 per one . 2x£395 plus the £200 kit for a full front setup

£395 is for the pair Keith  :happy2:

Thats cool, I could then resell my R32 set up afterwards for £200 :happy2:
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Post by: B3n on May 22, 2010, 09:41:11 am
sorry dumb here- each porsche new caliper - £395 per one . 2x£395 plus the £200 kit for a full front setup

£395 is for the pair Keith  :happy2:

Thats cool, I could then resell my R32 set up afterwards for £200 :happy2:

First dibs :happy2:
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Post by: cuzmk5 on May 22, 2010, 09:44:19 pm


What sort of money we talking to get a set of these calipers refurished, powered coated and new seals?
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 23, 2010, 12:06:55 pm
Depending on condition, age, seal condition anywhere from £100-£200.

A whole new set of dust/fluid seals are around £80 - rarely required though, invariably its the odd dust seal thats split or is on the way out.

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Post by: muckipup on May 23, 2010, 11:18:28 pm
I guess it makes sense to be completely certain that seals are intact before buying second hand calipers as even £80 on top of say £250 for a second hand pair would make it more sensible to spend £395 at the Porsche dealers  :smiley:

By the way Dave, are you sure that they are £395  from the dealers new as I see them on ebay from a German supplier for over £500 + postage?
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Post by: muckipup on May 24, 2010, 12:04:01 pm
I guess it makes sense to be completely certain that seals are intact before buying second hand calipers as even £80 on top of say £250 for a second hand pair would make it more sensible to spend £395 at the Porsche dealers  :smiley:

By the way Dave, are you sure that they are £395  from the dealers new as I see them on ebay from a German supplier for over £500 + postage?

Update:  I took the liberty of giving Porsche Reading a call. They are quoting £276 (inc VAT) for each caliper
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 24, 2010, 07:11:40 pm
Thats Porsche added tax - The price I quoted was from my tame local porsche centre - theres 25% in the caliper and they were retaining 3%

I'd be happy to make a call for you to get in touch with Stevey at OPC Bolton, there all great up there. Dave the parts manager is a great guy - a real can-do parts guy a rare beast nowadays.

If you fancy a pair at the price I quoted then PM me, I'll have them collected and shipped any where UK to help you out a bit.
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Post by: muckipup on May 25, 2010, 10:17:12 pm
Thats Porsche added tax - The price I quoted was from my tame local porsche centre - theres 25% in the caliper and they were retaining 3%

I'd be happy to make a call for you to get in touch with Stevey at OPC Bolton, there all great up there. Dave the parts manager is a great guy - a real can-do parts guy a rare beast nowadays.

If you fancy a pair at the price I quoted then PM me, I'll have them collected and shipped any where UK to help you out a bit.

I really appreciate that Dave and if I can get the cash together, I'll take you up on that offer. I'm still loving this set up but, per the post above, I'm into 4 new tyres and a geo next week  :sad1:!

Realistically, I am looking at £395 for the calipers, £200 to you, probably new OEM discs at £60 although the current ones are in good nick, decent pads £80, 4 shims ?£30 plus p&p costs and the likes and I'd probably want the calipers powder coated in red £50??? i.e. I ain't going to get much change out of £850 doing it the expensive way. However, I'm still well interested and if I can get some second-hand calipers from fleabay in the meantime, then all the better.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 29, 2010, 11:18:52 pm
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4-POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-VW-AUDI-/250641424454?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a5b64a046 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4-POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-VW-AUDI-/250641424454?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a5b64a046)

Pads look serviceable
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: jmspear on May 29, 2010, 11:46:37 pm
Fitted the kit today, pretty easy about 45 mins a side once you have figured out what to do, first side took me about 2 hours!

First grind back the caliper posts as per DaveB's earlier instructions, initially I fitted the calipers without and all I achieved was the new disk was locked solid.

The disk retaining bolt was siezed and the head stripped so i had to drill out both sides, no real problem, don't need the retaining bolt as the pads hold the dsik in place until you can bolt the wheel on.

First step, once you have removed the old caliper and disk (my old caliper hanging to one side) is to bolt in the adaptors as can be seen:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0016.jpg&hash=6eb78a95e73e7207c391c5f882a85edaeaceca00)
then bolt caliper on, you can see the two vertical bolts on the left side of the caliper:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0018.jpg&hash=e134a2fcc1e407de66eaa0d9720e5f52b92035b6)
then fit pads and on the passenger side I spliced the porsche pad wear sesnor into the VW pad wear sesnor plug so i still have pad wear sensing. Then I fitted new hose:(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0020.jpg&hash=b0fcb540a1bd576c6527ceb18838183e3bee9476)(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0021.jpg&hash=8ea9f3e955ad9953e19e64661f59ce38db75a8ff) the Y piece in this pic is the cable to the pad wear sesnor and also the ESP sensor. The clearance when you put the wheels on is very tight about 1 - 2 mm max:(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0023.jpg&hash=51ae38ce70d14109bea61b70be66dcec53786774)(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0024.jpg&hash=f87f8848c4c8b9272b7e71292cc4cf54e338c10f)
Curbing coutesy of my wife  :fighting:
Finished job looks good (haven't cleaned the wheels yet) the pedal feel is sooooooo much beter and even though I haven't bedded the brakes in It feels so much stronger at stopping, can't wait until they are fully bedded in!
Wife in aberdeen with the ed30 at the moment this is my std (well 275HP, 315lbft) GTI with 17" Monza 2's, will try the pescara's when she gets back sometime next week and see if they fit, they are std 18"'s

Total cost:
Ebay calipers, calipers and seals all very good £235
Fitting kit - many thanks DaveB £200
New disks, pads and porsche wear sesnors £110
Brake fuild ~ £10
Paint I did it myself with a brush, had a part used tim of very high temperature engine enamal (came up well!)
Brembo caliper tansfers i high temp PVC (high quality) ebay £6

Total about £560

Very happy :happy2: many thanks to daveB
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0025.jpg&hash=917987f8a930f4ab89128c1c9aa49ecc37884623)(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faf215%2Fjspear911%2FCIMG0026.jpg&hash=1683652a453db52e9496d858301b3f8a741ca5a1)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 30, 2010, 07:17:41 am
Looking Good John

So just to confirm on the 17" Monza - no spacer required...but clearance is tight maybe 2-3mm??????

Looking good for the 18" Monza if thats the case

Might be worth investing in a non hubcentric 2 maybe 3mm spacer and some 30mm bolts instead of standard OEM 27mm bolts to give a little clearance for caliper/wheel flex when hooning.

PS John...Guy over on uk-mkivs is selling some pagid blues for a Boxster 1/3 worn for £75

Were the pads that came with the calipers proper OEM Textar jobbies?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: QD MBE on May 30, 2010, 09:18:18 am
Looking very good John.

Hmmmmmmmmm, any one need some spacers....................

Got a 3mm set with the relevant radius seated bolts............
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: jmspear on May 30, 2010, 09:51:06 am
Hi Dave,

Exactly right, 17" std monza's, clearance is nearer the 2mm mark though.......it does look bloody tight and I am worried when it gets hot in there are 20 mins of heavy braking into quarry and it all expands. I think a slim spacer would be a good investment.

Will try with 18" pescara's later in the week and post results.

Just running some ferodo's in the calipers at the moment (for the road), will get some better compound for the track, the pagid's look interesting will follow up cheers dave.

Just out of interest dave, two questions - will I feel a big difference ferodo vs OE textar on the road? And will OE textar be good for both road and track, i run OE textar on a 993 on the track albeit in big reds and they are great.

Cheers John
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 30, 2010, 09:56:47 am
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-911-BOXSTER-S-BREMBO-RED-FRONT-CALIPERS-/110539120567?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bca51fb7#ht_2316wt_930

porsche 911/boxter s 4 pot brembos buy it now £330
or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/porsche-996-caliper-audi-a3-tt-vw-golf-seat-leon-/330438217613?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cefa70f8d#ht_500wt_896

porshe 996 calipers 220 bid off
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: muckipup on May 30, 2010, 01:32:42 pm
Great write-up, John!  :happy2:

I am sick of torturing myself over this so going to give it a go too even if it means using my 'flexible friend'.

Was a Dremmel good enough for removing the 1mm off of each peg or will this be a job for my grinder?

Thanks for the links Dave & Sy - will those 911/996 calipers also work for this project and do the same thing (i.e. part numbers 996 351 425 & 996 351 426  and 996 352 421 AND 996 352 422)? I thought they were different from the Cayman calipers and not just in colour?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: danishmkvgti on May 30, 2010, 05:40:19 pm
Looking very good John.

Hmmmmmmmmm, any one need some spacers....................

Got a 3mm set with the relevant radius seated bolts............

i  might be interested  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: jmspear on May 30, 2010, 05:42:52 pm
Hi muckipup,

I used my angle grinder, didn't look delicate enough for my dremel :wink:

Top tips for a smooth install are:

1) Take 1mm off each peg on the caliper first, I did both sides to be sure
2) Ensure you fit the adaptor as per my pic, it can go on in different ways and I spend a while on the first side experimenting which way it should go on
3) make sure you fit the caliper with the bleed nipples at the top, sounds obvious but easy to fit the other way round and you will never successfully bleed it with the nipples at the bottom
4) Leave the union of the pipe at the caliper loose until everything bolted up, then tighten the caliper union and fit the new hose onto the car fixed pipe, I left the old caliper connected but tucked out the way until ready for this connection when the new caliper all fitted, minimises any loss of fluid and the car lines draining down.

Finally the old caliper mounting bolts are pretty tight so be prepared for serious leverage to get them loose!.

If you follow above top tips and my install pics is a surprisingly simple job!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 30, 2010, 09:42:32 pm
Great write-up, John!  :happy2:

I am sick of torturing myself over this so going to give it a go too even if it means using my 'flexible friend'.

Was a Dremmel good enough for removing the 1mm off of each peg or will this be a job for my grinder?

Thanks for the links Dave & Sy - will those 911/996 calipers also work for this project and do the same thing (i.e. part numbers 996 351 425 & 996 351 426  and 996 352 421 AND 996 352 422)? I thought they were different from the Cayman calipers and not just in colour?

Nope they are the wrong calipers unfortunately, the part numbers you need are 986 351 421 & 422

Just a brief explanation of part numbers:

First three are the model number 986=Boxster, 996=911, 955=Cayenne

351 = Front brakes

421 Left Caliper (odd numbers) & 422 Right Caliper (Even numbers)

Dont buy anything with a 352 in the part number they are rear calipers and the pistons are too small for a Mk5

Other than that great write up John - heres hoping for some good feedback from your track day.

WRT the pads, I think I'm more of a TMD man than Ferodo so Pagid/Textar/Mintex in that order.....but ferodo are OE on VW and probably just as good, The Textar pads for Porsche are compound 4045 so if you've got this on the back of the pad then they're ok for a track day expect fade/smoke/drama after a couple of laps but if you're feeling your way they should be fine.

The track day pads we bought Joe held on admirably and were only £50 but came recomended by somebody who know who knows! Zero Fade on the ring, might be worth getting some to give the setup every chance at Cadwell.

This could get interesting if they fit behind a pescara...................... :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: jmspear on May 30, 2010, 11:05:45 pm
Looking very good John.

Hmmmmmmmmm, any one need some spacers....................

Got a 3mm set with the relevant radius seated bolts............

You have mail ;-)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: joesgti on May 31, 2010, 09:12:00 am
you need to try them with track pads in, OMG the difference is night and day again. just a shame they sound  :sick:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: muckipup on May 31, 2010, 11:54:52 am

They're Cayman calipers that have received some TLC buddy....


Can I ask who refurb'ed your calipers Dave as they look mint!  Is that a going over with caliper paint/Hammerite or a powdercoating job and did you get a full refurb with pistons, seals etc?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 31, 2010, 01:00:49 pm
Can I ask who refurb'ed your calipers Dave as they look mint!  Is that a going over with caliper paint/Hammerite or a powdercoating job and did you get a full refurb with pistons, seals etc?

You can mate  - that would be me, been at caliper refurbs for upwards of four years. Its all about process's to end up with a good finish. Its a powder coat process and some clear laquer. And then the very careful job of re-assembly begins. Depending on condition its not always given that a whole new set of seals are required. Ive got lots of spare seals here for the one off ones that need replacing.

Problem being its very time consuming and Im four times as busy in summer as I am in winter
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 01, 2010, 11:24:18 am
Can I ask who refurb'ed your calipers Dave as they look mint!  Is that a going over with caliper paint/Hammerite or a powdercoating job and did you get a full refurb with pistons, seals etc?

You can mate  - that would be me

LOL, I figured you might say that!  :wink:  I'll need to work that one out myself I think and try and find somewhere local that will do this for me.

I'll PM you regarding the fitting kit  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 03, 2010, 09:58:52 am
John, I guess you've bedded in those brakes by now so what's the final verdict?  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 04, 2010, 03:09:43 pm
Come on peeps - Bargain.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BREMBO-986-FRONTS-/160441363327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item255b0ceb7f (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BREMBO-986-FRONTS-/160441363327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item255b0ceb7f)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: alex_chung on June 04, 2010, 03:15:05 pm
Don't tempt me man  :grin:
Alex
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 04, 2010, 03:16:47 pm
i bet come july when ive got loads of money available, none wil be available
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 04, 2010, 03:43:12 pm
Awww jeez, I've commited myself to something else otherwise these calipers would have done. I'll need to let things run and see how I get on.

Hey Sy - I  like that second picture from the Ring. Was the photo taken a few seconds before you took him on an outside line and showed him your tailpipe?  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 04, 2010, 03:50:09 pm
Muckipup et al, the final verdict is  :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:

Very happy with them, an excellent upgrade, loads of pedal feel and really hauls the car down in a way that the old brakes didn't, be aware when you first bed them in with some serious high speed braking you will get lots of smoke and associated worrying smells but seems to be normal, this soon dissapears when all the crap is burnt off. I took it reasonably easy on the brakes as I didn't have sticky track tyres on the golf and you need the stopping power of the brakes of which there is lots as well as the grip of sticky tyres which is a little lacking with my dunlops.

The biggest differences are:

1) You can feel the brakes bite and start to brake very early with these brakes which enables you to control your braking so much better and scrub off just the right amount of speed to still enable you to carry speed around the corner, the feel and control is by far the biggest difference and you need to experience it to beleive the difference it makes in this area

2) Outright stopping power feels much better, how much of this is subjective I don't know but it gives you a lot more confidence you can stop

3) Finally you get more stopping p[ower earlier, i.e. as soon as you start to use the brakes you start to get serious stopping which I didn't feel at all with the old brakes.

All the above is with the ferodo's didn't get a chance to get better pads, but will only get even better with better pads.

Finally, have just changed insurance company and they liked the fact that I had done the brakes as well as all the engine mods, my insurance actually went down.

They also look awesome, I keep going to look at them and point them out to all my friends - how sad is that?

Haven't had a chance to try fitting the pescara's hopefully at the weekend, the only downside is I am still worried about the caliper / wheel clearance, but has been fine so far so will probably not go with an spacers as don't really like spacers.

So definietly highly recommended by me :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 04, 2010, 03:52:09 pm
Awww jeez, I've commited myself to something else otherwise these calipers would have done. I'll need to let things run and see how I get on.

Hey Sy - I  like that second picture from the Ring. Was the photo taken a few seconds before you took him on an outside line and showed him your tailpipe?  :wink:

I did actually beat him around the track irrelevant of the fact he started behind and flew past me.  The fact that he span out a few k further on means nothing to me, i still see it as a victory for the vRS :star:

have sent you PM on briskoda BTW
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 04, 2010, 04:11:07 pm
John, again many thanks!  :congrats:

I had another very close call this morning when an old guy who looked like Santa pulled out in front of me as I was scooting along a rural road. If Santa keeps driving like that he won't see Xmas for sure! Anyways, it was damn close and another incident where my current brakes left a bit to be desired. I decided there and then that a brake upgrade is a 'must do' for me and soon.

Sy - a definite victory for the VRS. Like the ad says - 'power is nothing without control'  :laugh:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: SteveP on June 06, 2010, 08:52:49 pm
Anyone pick up some calipers from ebay by any chance?

One set went very cheap

[ebay]250641427289[/ebay]

And one not so cheap

[ebay]250641422846[/ebay]
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 06, 2010, 10:06:01 pm
Anyone pick up some calipers from ebay by any chance?

One set went very cheap

[ebay]250641427289[/ebay]

And one not so cheap

[ebay]250641422846[/ebay]


Yup, that would be me Steve. Alas it was the not so cheap ones that I bought  :sad1: . Still it was around the price that Dave B suggested would be fair. I thought I was going to get a bargain until I had a bit of competition at the last minute.

I saw the cheaper ones but did not bother going for them as they are the 996 part number calipers which wouldn't work for this project as Dave mentioned a few posts ago.

However, there are still calipers to be had

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250645016724&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160441363327&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 06, 2010, 10:10:25 pm
ah good man :happy2: :happy2:

lok forward to seeing how his pans out for you mate.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: G4V VW on June 06, 2010, 10:13:25 pm
Muckipup had a feeling it was you that bought them, i had a sneeky bid but you beat me  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 07, 2010, 10:55:27 am
Muckipup had a feeling it was you that bought them, i had a sneeky bid but you beat me  :happy2:

Aha, so you were the competition  :evilgrin: Did you manage to bag any of the others on ebay?

ah good man :happy2: :happy2:

lok forward to seeing how his pans out for you mate.

Yeah, me too as I'll be paying these off on the credit card. I just need to make sure that nobody on this forum ever ever gets to meet my SWMBO and tell her what I do. EVER!  :grin:

I need to track down DaveB now for one of his fitting kits.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 07, 2010, 11:21:49 am
Muckipup, if you need any fitting advice / top tips pm me. Kit just keeps getting better, did a high speed thrash (was very late for start of competition) through single track cotswold lanes towing a trailer with 2 trials bikes on yesterday up to (v fast but legal  :wink:) in places and the brakes just haul the car down so quick when you come round the corner at barely legal speeds  :wink: and faced with oncoming car / tractor, even with all that extra weight on the back  :happy2:.

am getting a little bit of squeel at moment but only v little occasioanlly at v low speed and is my fault as i didn't bother with the fancy porsche antisqueel pads, nor in my haste copaslip on back of pads, I find on my 993 that a good coating of copaslip on the back of oe pads = no squeel.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 07, 2010, 11:46:00 am
Thanks John, that's much appreciated  :happy2:

Sounds like you had a similar experience on a country road to the one I had last week that made me decide for sure that this was the way to go!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: G4V VW on June 07, 2010, 09:28:39 pm
Yes sorry mate i was the competition, apologies for bumping up the price at the end, i thought that i might get them in the dying seconds, gutted i didnt because they looked like a good set so fair play to ya glad ya got them. The other ones the same guy was selling didnt look to good which is why i think they went for less. The ones you got were defo worth the money  :happy2:

Looking at the ones with the buy it now on but like you i have the missus dilemma, she wouldn't be happy as ive already had a full set of gti brakes and currently a full set of R32 ones, so these would have to be sneeky ones  :grin:

Decisions...decisions.....The heart says yes the head say Nooooooooo!!!

Gav
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 07, 2010, 11:13:00 pm
No worries, Gav. That's the nature of ebay. I put in what would have been the max I was prepared to pay on Saturday. £255 was my max
 :signLOL:

The ones in good nick seem to go for that. I think John was lucky to snag a set for £235 or whatever it was and the set available on the 'buy it now' may be difficult to beat. The 'SWMBO factor' is always a tricky one - I figured that dishonesty was the best policy  :jumping:

I didn't fancy the ones you mentioned - the looked like they had been dragged behind the car by the brake lines!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 07, 2010, 11:16:44 pm
www.auctionsiper.com  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 07, 2010, 11:19:31 pm
I always use www.auctionsniper.com lets you bid in the last 1-2 seconds priceless, the other person is watching it go 1 min, 30 secs, 10 seconds, I've won  :laugh: no its gone to someone else  :sick: - hell how did that happen, you've been sniped  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 07, 2010, 11:21:03 pm
i like that :happy2: would be really p!ssed if someone did that to me though :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 07, 2010, 11:22:12 pm
I always use www.auctionsniper.com lets you bid in the last 1-2 seconds priceless, the other person is watching it go 1 min, 30 secs, 10 seconds, I've won  :laugh: no its gone to someone else  :sick: - hell how did that happen, you've been sniped  :happy2:

You sneaky bar steward, John!  :wink: (says he while downloading the software  :laugh: )
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 08, 2010, 02:03:11 pm
  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Plenty of other top tips but can't give too much away :wink:

If I ever give up my day management consultancy job budding ebay reseller career waiting :grin:

Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 08, 2010, 09:44:28 pm
Chaps this is hotting up a little with a few guys looking for the fitting kits, just one important thing that I forgot to mention thats pretty important is that with multipot calipers invariably the pistons are staggered in terms of size.

Its important to remember that the small piston MUST "see" the disc first so imagine the disc rotating within the caliper the small piston must get first bite, so on a golf where the caliper "leads" instead of "lagging" the small piston will be at the top.

On a porsche the calipers "lag" on the front, this means that the calipers need reversing for a golf application.

Very briefly the left side connecting pipe goes to the right side where the bleed nipples reside as standard and vice versa, I do it as a matter of course on refurb calipers but anybody doing a DIY needs to have a little look at this diagram

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw69%2Fdave_brown1970%2FPorscheReversal.jpg&hash=2737c16b4916f1a71423f0f0b23bdeae8da3370e)

Any snags simply PM me, the best method for removing the connecting pipes is not a 10mm spanner, much better is a large 8" pair of vice grips and sharp pressure until they give a crack and then use the spanner! Its actually 10 times more straightforward than Ive described!!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 12:29:24 am
Hi Dave, I of course fitted the calipers with the bleed nipples at the top without swapping for the connecting pipe and reversing the calipers so I have the larger piston leading (i guess), whilst I understand totally what I need to do, I am not motivated to take the calipers off again, do the nipple pipe swaps, refit re bleed etc, you mentioned that is was pretty important - why? What is the practical difference of not having the smaller piston leading - worse braking, squeeling, dangerous???
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 09, 2010, 06:22:23 am
Hi John

My sincere apologies mate - should have mentioned it

Thinking back to Hydraulics 101, Lesson 1. Assuming no friction at all on the seals or piston, the smallest piston in any small/large hydraulic setup will "deploy" first, simply put when you brake lightly the samll piston will be doing most of the work until you really press the pedal at which case the bigger piston joins the party.

So to avoid the stronger piston doing most of the light work they need reversing as above

This avoids the pad "tapering" within the caliper over time and gives you even wear

It also makes the pedal very progressive - if you like them now - you'll like them even better if you cross them over!!

Its really no biggy
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 08:16:19 am
Thanks dave, no probs, thats a little job for me sat! Will also check the big reds on my 993 as they were big blacks from a 928S4 which I fitted as an upgrade (same caliper as 993 TT big reds) on these I did fit them the other way round and swapped the connecting pipes over. Do all twin pots have a small piston and a large one? and in particular do the big reds? Thanks again cheers John P.S. I will see if I can have a go fitting the pescara's as well when doing the brakes, haven't fogotten just been maxxed :-)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 09, 2010, 04:03:11 pm
Unlucky John, I would have done the same thing.

My calipers arrived today and, as far as I can see through muck, seem to be in good condition. The only down-side was that they didn't come with 4 anti-sqeal dampers as I had hoped and they are over a tenner a pop (and a couple of missing nipple caps, ahem! :ashamed: ).

One I get beyond the muck I will see if I can do a DIY repaint or if this is a refurb job for Super Dave 8)

PS any tips on where to get reasonably priced road pads like Pagids or Texstar?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 04:08:48 pm
you need the pad holder at the top, spring loaded held down with the through pin, but I really wouldn't bother with the anti squeel dampers, i have changed the pads many times on my old 944S2 and many many times on my track 993 and I never use the dampers just put a good smear of copa slip on the back and they never squeel, savers money time and effort, plus find most of porsche club guys do the same with their brake pads, prob why yours never had them in anyway.

I diy painted mine as cheapest option by far and within a couple of days covered in brake dust anyway so why spend the extra on a concours job  - must admit tho the oe factory powder coated calipers on my porsche look bloody georgeous next to the crap diy paint job on my boxster calipers......................but my fatter wallet also looks great ;-) Fatter with bloody receipts tho!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 04:14:36 pm
muckipup pm sent
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 09, 2010, 04:28:19 pm
Cheers  :happy2:

Yup, always got away with a good blob of copper grease myself but wasn't sure if the Boxster calipers were more prone to squeal thus the dampers. I have the pins and brackets though (not the caliper bolts but guessing Dave has these as part of the kit or I can get for a couple of quid each)
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 04:38:26 pm
caliper bolts come in the kit, only thing i bought seperate was:

new disks
new pads
boxster wear sensors you only need one set as golf only has connections on the passenger side (the boxster has sensors both sides)
brake fluid

everything else was either in the kit or on the calipers or I had already - e.g caliper paint
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 09, 2010, 08:48:01 pm
Caliper mount bolts included.....

Before you paint them and a quickie tip - best thing to remove brake dust/crap = fairy liquid.

Simply put fairly liquid all over the calipers dry and start rubbing in your hands, come up good as new
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: jmspear on June 09, 2010, 08:55:30 pm
another top tip.......I of course, as well as mounting the calipers upside down, used brake cleaner, powerwashed, followed by alloy wheel cleaner powerwashed, followed by more power washing, pretty effective at stripping off the old paint coating as well as the crap but kept the jet away from the seals ......
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: SteveP on June 09, 2010, 09:54:37 pm
Are the wear sensor required? Can you not just disable the sensors via VCDS?

I am hoping these are as good as the early reports, as look what Fedex delivered for me today   :laugh:

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: gazbutS3 on June 09, 2010, 10:10:03 pm
what are they for Steve?, what about the AP's?
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: Poppa Dom on June 09, 2010, 10:12:56 pm
Ewwww, well done Steve. Nice one. :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: SteveP on June 09, 2010, 10:14:00 pm
what are they for Steve?, what about the AP's?

Yes they will be for the Mk6, once they are ready, the AP's will be moved on in time  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: chungster on June 09, 2010, 10:33:29 pm
WHAT!

You're gonna give up monster AP 6 pots for Porsche 4 pots?

You feeling ok Mr P??
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 09, 2010, 11:08:08 pm
Steve, I think the wear sensor is false security over a good eye and judgement. They/it (as only on passenger front side on MkV/Octavia etc) can be disabled via VCDS or simply splice and join the two wires at the connector as I believe it is a simple circuit to fool the car into thinking all is well. I kept the connectors and soldered the wires from an old OEM set of pads.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: tony_danza on June 09, 2010, 11:15:29 pm
What on earth did people do before them.....   :signLOL:

Wheel off and a quick look every 2k, has done me fine.

Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 09, 2010, 11:33:15 pm
Caliper mount bolts included.....

Before you paint them and a quickie tip - best thing to remove brake dust/crap = fairy liquid.

Simply put fairly liquid all over the calipers dry and start rubbing in your hands, come up good as new

Thanks Dave, SWMBO is out tonight and I was about to stick them in the dishwasher and take my chances!  :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: QD MBE on June 11, 2010, 07:06:29 am
What on earth did people do before them.....   :signLOL:

Wheel off and a quick look every 2k, has done me fine.



Mike, Surely you just used your make-up mirror and a strong light source ......................
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 11, 2010, 02:11:32 pm
Chaps this is hotting up a little with a few guys looking for the fitting kits, just one important thing that I forgot to mention thats pretty important is that with multipot calipers invariably the pistons are staggered in terms of size.

Its important to remember that the small piston MUST "see" the disc first so imagine the disc rotating within the caliper the small piston must get first bite, so on a golf where the caliper "leads" instead of "lagging" the small piston will be at the top.

On a porsche the calipers "lag" on the front, this means that the calipers need reversing for a golf application.

Very briefly the left side connecting pipe goes to the right side where the bleed nipples reside as standard and vice versa, I do it as a matter of course on refurb calipers but anybody doing a DIY needs to have a little look at this diagram

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw69%2Fdave_brown1970%2FPorscheReversal.jpg&hash=2737c16b4916f1a71423f0f0b23bdeae8da3370e)

Any snags simply PM me, the best method for removing the connecting pipes is not a 10mm spanner, much better is a large 8" pair of vice grips and sharp pressure until they give a crack and then use the spanner! Its actually 10 times more straightforward than Ive described!!!

I managed to do this today although cracking a couple of the bolts on the connecting pipes was a beeeatch even with mole grips and heat. Luckily I could get one off on each side before i chewed things up too much with the mole grips and could then bend the pipe away and feed a ring spanner along the line to get to the other one. Bending the pipe slightly was not ideal as it was a bit of a nuisance getting it bent back so that it lined up perfectly for re-attachment to the caliper and being careful not over-do it and kink it.

Oh, and I had a worrying moment when I hadn't lined it up perfectly...it's stating the obvious really but these alloy calipers are light but way softer than the pig iron ones - it is easy to strip a thread for the bleed nipples or lines if you are not carfull! I managed to rescue the situation thankfully.

PS - does anyone know where I can get caliper bridges from? I noticed a nick out of one of mine which may be OK but I'd hate to sprout a leak. The only place I see them is here http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt66_1409_-cma81-cmo82/Porsche/Boxster/Caliper-Lines/#7826 (http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt66_1409_-cma81-cmo82/Porsche/Boxster/Caliper-Lines/#7826)  with Mfg Part# 99635296100 and 200 for the other side but I'll risk it if I can't see them cheaper.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: G4V VW on June 11, 2010, 10:37:16 pm
Come on peeps - Bargain.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BREMBO-986-FRONTS-/160441363327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item255b0ceb7f (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BREMBO-986-FRONTS-/160441363327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item255b0ceb7f)

Not for sale anymore...  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: muckipup on June 12, 2010, 11:02:49 am
Nice one Gav, they look to be in good nick!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit... Another Guinea Pig
Post by: G4V VW on June 12, 2010, 01:18:16 pm
Nice one Gav, they look to be in good nick!

Cheers pal,

Yes they are in great nick mate, i feel bad even thinking of painting them. He cleaned them up for me and they are like new, quite suprised to be honest. Picked them up off the lad in Manchester when i was passing through. Been working in Leeds but live in Telford.

He's got load of porsche parts, he says most of the wheels and brakes he sells are for VW boys  :smiley:

Hope the missus doesn't read this  :signLOL:

Gav
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on June 12, 2010, 02:01:55 pm
Here is a pic of mine after I cleaned them up with Fairy (good tip from DavB), a dishwasher (waste of time) and a Brillo pad.  If you zoom in you will see some cracks on the rubber boot on one side but I am not sure if I should be replacing them or if they will be OK


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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 12, 2010, 05:34:17 pm
They look really good.....

You're going to have that seal replaced and the piston checked for corrosion, if you post them to me I'll lube em up and check em over for you and ship them back with the carriers/hoses/bolts.

I've got spare seals here they'll be as good as new once you get them back no charge  :happy2:

If theres enough interest I'll try to do a fixed price refurb on these calipers, already painting some for somebody in a funky colour.

Maybe 110 quid instead of the 150 I normally charge for 4 pots, within that I could get a small "pot" going for new seals, so if you got a crap pair it would cost the same within reason.

Turnaround would be 2-3 weeks however
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on June 12, 2010, 08:30:25 pm
They look really good.....

You're going to have that seal replaced and the piston checked for corrosion, if you post them to me I'll lube em up and check em over for you and ship them back with the carriers/hoses/bolts.

I've got spare seals here they'll be as good as new once you get them back no charge  :happy2:

If theres enough interest I'll try to do a fixed price refurb on these calipers, already painting some for somebody in a funky colour.

Maybe 110 quid instead of the 150 I normally charge for 4 pots, within that I could get a small "pot" going for new seals, so if you got a crap pair it would cost the same within reason.

Turnaround would be 2-3 weeks however

You're a star, Dave. I would like to take you up on that offer  :happy2: In fact, I would like to go +1 for the refurb even if you don't get enough takers for the fixed price (I know that I will never get things looking as good as the pictures you posted earlier with the tin of Hammerite in my garage). I think I will stick with postbox red rather than funky colours as I don't think tartan calipers would work even with my Scottish heritage  :signLOL:

Would you mind PMing me your address please?

I managed to pop one off the pistons out and extend the others on one of the calipers (using the old fluid line which was still attached to one of the calipers when I received it, a bit of tubing and a foot pump of all things. Don't ask!  :stupid: and I'm thinking 'what am I doing? why don't I just sent these to Dave B?' .

Extending the pistons showed that I need to replace 3 if not all 4 of the rubber boots and whatever on the other side so I think you'll need to factor that into the cost. The seal and piston looked ok in the one that popped out but showed how much water I had let in while cleaning them up so I blew some compressed air through each and are now drying out (I hope) with the bleed nipples off.

I went for those Brembrake discs and kept it simple with a set of Textar pads.
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 12, 2010, 08:52:56 pm
PM on the way :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on June 14, 2010, 05:34:36 pm
I ordered some Textar pads online for these calipers and curiously got a set of Jurid pads AND Bosch pads despite only paying for one set :stupid: . Does anyone know if either of these are rebadged Textars or other TMD compound?  Never knew Bosch did pads so which should I use or send them both back and demand the Textars???
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 14, 2010, 05:42:27 pm
Did they come from Brakes INternational????

Jurid are good pads. Porsche/BMW Oem and also originally supplied in Brembo BBK's
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on June 14, 2010, 05:51:57 pm
Did they come from Brakes INternational????

Jurid are good pads. Porsche/BMW Oem and also originally supplied in Brembo BBK's

No, it was from GSF online (got my discs from Brakes Int). Bosch did a good job on my washing machine; wasn't sure about them for pads though. You reckon stick with Jurids rather than demand Textars?

PS - will get those calipers up to you for Wed or Thu  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: jmspear on June 14, 2010, 06:00:38 pm
I use both on my Porsche 993 track car, and in fact picked up a set of jurid for the front big reds and textar for back RS calipers, which are bigger than the boxster jobbies, both jurid and textar are oe porsche afaik, I have used both for years in my track car and they take serious punishment no probs, no squeel and stop extremely well. You will be very happy with the jurid.

as for bosh............ :rolleye:..................sell em on ebay  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on June 14, 2010, 06:06:52 pm
bosh

 :signLOL: I like it

I'll hang on to the Jurids and save myself the hassle of returning them  :happy2:

Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: G4V VW on June 20, 2010, 09:57:36 pm
Dave i'll be ordering the kit off ya at the end of the month  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 21, 2010, 01:51:32 pm
 :happy2:

There should be a few install pics to come in the next week or two.

In the meantime, for those that have track/hooning plans for the kit, I'm just working on some bremtech 312's at the moment doing the maths (epicycloid equations) [sounds good doesnt it!! haven't a clue what it means] to come up with a cnc programme for these J hook design disc faces.

Alcon did it then AP jumped on the band wagon, apparently the inner "J" scavenges dust/debris and the outer "J" ejects it, they're quieter than normal grooved competition discs and have more even heat dissipation.

Interstingly enough the maths are the same ones that Harp makers use to design the shape of the musical instrument and considering they've been around since the 14th century I think thats bloody clever!!

Anyway J hook design disc faces coming to a 312mm disc near you soon (hopefully cost permitting!!!)

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 21, 2010, 04:45:20 pm
how awwsome will that be, really progressive, powerful lightweight 4 pot porshe calipers paired to lightweight two piece 312 discs,  now that, i would be up for :happy2:

who needs a bbk when these are out
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: Poppa Dom on June 21, 2010, 05:38:47 pm
Exactly Sy, for me it was a no brainer in the end going the route I did, sound advice from DaveB and a testimonial from QD. Am extremely pleased with the set up I have and IMHO, based on currrent experiences are better than the alternatives I have had experience of driving. With brakes you need to do the maths, hydraulic radius, matching to the master cylinder etc........ :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 28, 2010, 09:56:09 am
Right after tonnes (well 5 lol!) PM's about the J Hook design discs I hurried them along.

It actually wasn't too bad to program in fairness, theres a lot of positive things being said about the technical benefits of J hook too much to ignore so here you have it gents the first ever available "Technically Accurate Harmonic Curve" 312mm J Hook Disc.

Cant wait to see these behind some porker calipers, think it'll give a great technical look with great performance.

These aren't done on a template, there properly calculated geometric curves calculated every 10th of a degree and 0.2mm on radius, the groove depth goes to New Thickness - Min thickness / 2 so no grooves= change discs.

Aesthetically the Juries out I suppose, I'm getting my head round how they look, probably better on than off a car.

Pics!
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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: danishmkvgti on June 28, 2010, 12:15:33 pm
same design applicable to std. r32 disc??  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 28, 2010, 02:27:54 pm
Very much in the pipeline and probably be done this week for your viewing pleasure!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: tony_danza on June 28, 2010, 03:27:02 pm
Everybody wants to be Alcon......

Look nice them Dave, very good machine shop you have there!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: MAT ED30 on June 28, 2010, 03:27:59 pm
Everybody wants to be Alcon......

Look nice them Dave, very good machine shop you have there!

I dont want to be Alcon  :P but the discs look very well done  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: SteveP on July 03, 2010, 10:15:24 pm
And here comes around set of the porkers fresh from having Dave wave his magic wand over them  :laugh:

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Project Orange is a go  :party:

Anyone want a nice set of AP 6 pots (look out in the for sale section) :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. J Hook 312's FTW..Pics
Post by: Andy on July 03, 2010, 10:37:27 pm
And here comes around set of the porkers fresh from having Dave wave his magic wand over them  :laugh:

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Project Orange is a go  :party:

Anyone want a nice set of AP 6 pots (look out in the for sale section) :wink:
:drool: very nice
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: JPC on July 04, 2010, 01:07:00 pm
Project orange! Nice one!

Looking forward to seeing them fitted!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: keith on July 04, 2010, 03:43:47 pm
^^ X1
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 06, 2010, 12:15:30 pm
Seems to be a few sets knocking around at the moment

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-Boxster-986-Brembo-Front-Brake-Calipers-VW-Audi-/300443447127?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45f3d32f57 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-Boxster-986-Brembo-Front-Brake-Calipers-VW-Audi-/300443447127?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45f3d32f57)

For 250 or near offer

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-911-986-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-/110555335103?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bd9c89bf (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-911-986-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-/110555335103?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bd9c89bf)

These are 300 but the guy is called Thomas and has got a golf on the Mk4 forum so they'll come cheaper, would need a refurb though as ones more or less brand new

And these 100 quid with 48 hours to go

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-DISCS-/260628976644?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3caeb29404 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-DISCS-/260628976644?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3caeb29404)

The fitting kit has gone up unfortunately to 225 as Ive got my first bill through, they're made from a larger billet bar of which most of it ends up on the workshop floor, I'm investigating a Mk5 casting that will bring the costs right down again fingers crossed.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: joesgti on July 06, 2010, 06:32:41 pm
dave, i need to come and see you when i get my car back, need some rear disc's  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: Syrag64 on July 09, 2010, 11:37:47 am

For 250 or near offer

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-911-986-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-/110555335103?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bd9c89bf (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-911-986-BOXSTER-BREMBO-FRONT-CALIPERS-/110555335103?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bd9c89bf)

These are 300 but the guy is called Thomas and has got a golf on the Mk4 forum so they'll come cheaper, would need a refurb though as ones more or less brand new


offered 250 but got turned down :(

still on the lookout tho :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 09, 2010, 12:34:58 pm
PM Sent.

You might need to buy outside of ebay , but Thomas is OK.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: Syrag64 on July 11, 2010, 02:52:53 am
Cant wait for mine!!!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: muckipup on July 16, 2010, 12:37:12 pm
I received my calipers back earlier this week after DaveB worked his magic on them. I am delighted with how they turned out!! I can't wait to get them on the car and will post up some better pics then. Here is the before and after pics (you will see that I opted for postbox red without Porsche decals despite the temptation of 'Easyjet orange'  :wink: )

Before:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_DJyvoGGMXM8%2FTBODs25TkhI%2FAAAAAAAAAK4%2F1sA8TEeCOsI%2Fs720%2FDSC_0020.JPG&hash=e833317a70ddf20bb7110d0d403b368f36dbb012)

After:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2F_DJyvoGGMXM8%2FTD-AyrSWp-I%2FAAAAAAAAAMU%2FZHzIx2Q_O58%2Fs800%2FDSC_0171.JPG&hash=955d25ac15dd9fd5c7f395513ce9e9cfcda9bb5c)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 16, 2010, 02:28:11 pm
Nice on Dave - get em on and lets see what you think.....

Anyway rumour has it apparently its this weekend   :signLOL:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg262%2Fyetnet%2FEE-WW-lol-tangoed.jpg&hash=af8ce1e44b8565b95eb9048f232d2c40c2ec25c4)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: Hedge on July 16, 2010, 02:30:35 pm
Probably more
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orange.co.uk%2Fimages%2Feditorial%2FdaleWinton_pa_29jul08_350.jpg&hash=d426295cf9b4ea0d0f32f0e14cd2bf022d1c7bcb)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 16, 2010, 02:58:09 pm
thats the second time you've referred to dale this week.  is there something your not telling us
Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.. The momentum grows..
Post by: G4V VW on July 16, 2010, 05:03:53 pm
I received my calipers back earlier this week after DaveB worked his magic on them. I am delighted with how they turned out!! I can't wait to get them on the car and will post up some better pics then. Here is the before and after pics (you will see that I opted for postbox red without Porsche decals despite the temptation of 'Easyjet orange'  :wink: )

Before:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_DJyvoGGMXM8%2FTBODs25TkhI%2FAAAAAAAAAK4%2F1sA8TEeCOsI%2Fs720%2FDSC_0020.JPG&hash=e833317a70ddf20bb7110d0d403b368f36dbb012)

After:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2F_DJyvoGGMXM8%2FTD-AyrSWp-I%2FAAAAAAAAAMU%2FZHzIx2Q_O58%2Fs800%2FDSC_0171.JPG&hash=955d25ac15dd9fd5c7f395513ce9e9cfcda9bb5c)


Very nice pal, When ya fitting them?
Need to get the fitting kit off Dave for mine now!  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: SteveP on July 16, 2010, 05:15:34 pm
Nice on Dave - get em on and lets see what you think.....

Anyway rumour has it apparently its this weekend   :signLOL:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg262%2Fyetnet%2FEE-WW-lol-tangoed.jpg&hash=af8ce1e44b8565b95eb9048f232d2c40c2ec25c4)

Sorry to disappoint, but I am on my travels up North instead this weekend to collect a new motor for Mrs PG, some project tango will have a wait a few more days  :rolleye:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 16, 2010, 05:16:47 pm
I was tied up this weekend so took Monday off work to fit them as I couldn't wait any longer - how keen / desperate is that?  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 20, 2010, 11:01:30 am
Quick update -

I stuck the calipers on yesterday and initial impression (before pads have bedded in) are great!   :jumping:  Fitted easily behind 18" Zenith alloys on an Octavia VRS.

I paired up with a set of new standard discs and some Bosch pads (on looking at the Jurids that I had, they were delivered in an opened box and had some minor chips of the edge of the frictiion material which put me off. The Bosch are made in England so I wouldn't be surprised if they were rebadged Pagids anyway).

I initially had problems with what I think was water still in the caliper / caliper lines after I washed them before sending to DaveB - pedal felt spongey at first and seemed to keep sinking a little bit. A reflush showed milky fluid with bits in it (no bubbles) rather than the golden colour of the fresh ATE SL.6 fluid. Saw this on a further 2 reflushes of the fronts and a lot of fresh fluid. Lesson learned the hard way! A lot better now but may still need another mini-flush for my own piece of mind.

Another lesson learned the hard way - powder coated / laquered calipers do not like brake fluid! Dave B warned me about this and I had a bucket of soapy water ready but a little dribbled out of one of the inside bleed nipples without me noticing and put a whiteish stain. Luckily it was very little and the tin of Hammerite Smooth Red in my garage is an almost exact match to the post box red of the calipers plus it was on the inside of the caliper so not noticeable anyway.

I will post a full write up with lots of pics in the next day or two  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 20, 2010, 01:15:28 pm
Dave

The white bits in the fluid are just bits of the caliper assembly grease thats used on the rebuilds, its lithium and eventually dissolves into the brake fluid with no ill efects as opposed to water based lubricants which negatively effect the brake fluid.

The calipers were completely dissasembled back to their casting and baked at 200 degrees to set the powder coat so its not water, probably a bit of air trapped in the caliepr somewhere. If you drive around on them for a while before rebleeding that will help

Interested as to how the Bosch pads are on a daily, Brakes International aren't stocking Textar/Pagid anymore but they do stock these and have been getting some good feedback on them.

Looking forward to the pics and some 200 mile opinions on how they stop.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 20, 2010, 01:47:23 pm
Hey!


Firstly Id like to say Hello! to everyone, this is my first post as I have come from seatcupra.net....

I have followed every page of this thread intently and am hoping to use this upgrade on my MK2 Leon FR tdi.

I am currently running stage 2 DPF delete and custom map which should be producing (not yet proven) ~240bhp and 370lbs/ft

The standard brake setup is just not as capable of anchoring the car up as I would like so a cost effective upgrade is what im after and I think I have found the answer here.

I have a few questions though.

Is the only caliper I should be keeping an eye out for, the Porsche 986 Boxster Front caliper? Is there any others at all that would work in acheiving this new, improved setup? 996 turbo front or rear perhaps?

Secondly apart from ebay, where else is good to find these at a bargain? Ebay at the minute has very little to offer, what criteria are people searching on Ebay? (what should I type into the search bar to get the best results?)

I'm sure I have more questions but I will leave it there for now, Im still trying to get my head around everything that I have read...!

Thanks in advance for any info on the above!

David
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 20, 2010, 01:59:28 pm
Thanks Dave,

I wondered how there could be water in them after the baking process. That's reassuring to hear. I'll give them a bit of mileage and rebleed next weekend. As mentioned, they feel pretty much there now.

The pedal feel is good. I think the word progressive was used to describe them before and I would agree with that. In fact, the smooth transition felt quite different from the more on/off feel of the standard brakes yet the braking was much stronger without being harsh. The stopping power of these is simply waaay better even with virgin pads (and the possibility that I haven't worked all the air out yet!).

All in all, I am delighted with this set up!!

I'll get some pics up soon and give you a 200 mile opinion which won't take long - I commute 300 miles a week with a lot of windey road work! Say Thursday  :grin:

I'll also post up some more pics and a bit of a 'how to' guide on Briskoda.net as these folks should know about this too.

Again, great job with this Dave and many thanks for your help  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 20, 2010, 04:14:35 pm

The standard brake setup is just not as capable of anchoring the car up as I would like so a cost effective upgrade is what im after and I think I have found the answer here.


I think you have!

The calipers need to be from the 986 Boxster (987 Caymen is the same) and the part numbers are on Page 8 of this thread where DaveB makes the point clearly.  There are other Porsche calipers which can be fitted but I think the cheapest you will see these start is about £450 as opposed to the £250 tops that you should expect to pay for these. DaveB's mission was about a low cost solution that stood well next to some of these other options.

Just one tip from me:  If you are buying them from ebay then I think it is important to ascertain that the rubber dust boots on the pistons are in good condition. My calipers looked in good condition (and they were) but most of the rubber boots had gone. Luckily the seals inside the piston were OK. Replacing these added to the cost.  If they are getting a repaint or a DaveB's refurb then the colour and external appearance as it appears on ebay isn't that important. What is important is that there are no unforeseen costs on top so make sure they are all OK and ask the seller if necessary; otherwise walk away as another set will come up. I saw SteveP's calipers on ebay which looked a little bit battered but they looked as good as new after the refurb. I guess he didn't need new seals or dust boots and got the calipers cheaper so more fool me.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 20, 2010, 07:23:14 pm

The standard brake setup is just not as capable of anchoring the car up as I would like so a cost effective upgrade is what im after and I think I have found the answer here.


I think you have!

The calipers need to be from the 986 Boxster (987 Caymen is the same) and the part numbers are on Page 8 of this thread where DaveB makes the point clearly.  There are other Porsche calipers which can be fitted but I think the cheapest you will see these start is about £450 as opposed to the £250 tops that you should expect to pay for these. DaveB's mission was about a low cost solution that stood well next to some of these other options.

Just one tip from me:  If you are buying them from ebay then I think it is important to ascertain that the rubber dust boots on the pistons are in good condition. My calipers looked in good condition (and they were) but most of the rubber boots had gone. Luckily the seals inside the piston were OK. Replacing these added to the cost.  If they are getting a repaint or a DaveB's refurb then the colour and external appearance as it appears on ebay isn't that important. What is important is that there are no unforeseen costs on top so make sure they are all OK and ask the seller if necessary; otherwise walk away as another set will come up. I saw SteveP's calipers on ebay which looked a little bit battered but they looked as good as new after the refurb. I guess he didn't need new seals or dust boots and got the calipers cheaper so more fool me.


Thank you! That helps me out a lot as I was unsure of what calipers could be used. I will start keeping an eye out  :happy2:

If the calipers dont come with the original discs, where are most people obtaining new ones at? Is it again Porsche OEM items or are people using aftermarket discs?

David
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 20, 2010, 07:31:34 pm
by the same size discs that you have now.  you can either go for oem 312mm's or the likes of bremtech as dave(muckipup) has done.  i believe daveB is in the process of sorting out 2 piece lightweight 312's
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 20, 2010, 07:46:24 pm
by the same size discs that you have now.  you can either go for oem 312mm's or the likes of bremtech as dave(muckipup) has done.  i believe daveB is in the process of sorting out 2 piece lightweight 312's

Ahhh right, right... Just so much to process I dont remember the half of it once i've read it lol

cheers.

Remember the 2 piece lightweight 312's though, hopefully by the time im ready for this conversion i'll be able to add a set to finish it off nicely!  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: jmspear on July 20, 2010, 11:27:50 pm
Hi all, done about 1500m on mine now would you believe, just love them to bits, great stopping, fantastic feel and very progressive. Drove my old ed30 yesterday (it went to my missus when she left - don't ask - but we still friends haha) and the first thing I noticed was the diference between the std brakes on the ed30 and the porsche calipers on my gti, felt awfull, speficically less feel, much less progresive and the porsche brakes felt like they had at least 25% more stopping power (probably cause they come in earlier and you can feel the braking so much better).

I bought bosch pads from brakes int, but ferodo turned up, them seem pretty good but I would def go jurid / textar if you can, just so much better in my opinion (at least on my track car which I also use on the road) I went with std aftermarket 312 disks from brakes int, interesting the pads are longer than standard and not as tall, so actually the bottom 5mm of the disk is not swept so not point in going any bigger, think the total swept area is greater as the pads are longer (if any of that made any sense). Great prices and service from Brakes Int by the way.

In the end I did go for 3mm spacers for piece of mind on std 17" monza wheels as the brakes were so incredibly close to the wheel, all good now!
cheers


John
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 21, 2010, 12:42:46 pm
Glad to hear that you are still enjoying them, John!

I noticed before fitting that the the Porsche pads were similar size to standard but left the inside 8-10mm (as it looked to me) of the disc untouched. I actually thought that the Porsche pads were a tad smaller when I put them side to side but, as you say, the swept area is probably similar. Either way, they are still a lot better!

The jury is still out on the Bosch pads as I am only at about 100 miles. Initial impressions are that they are OK; not great, just OK. I may still try the slightly edge-chipped Jurids sitting in my garage to compare but should really give the Bosch pads a chance.

I used some of that 3M self-adhesive anti-sqeel backing stuff for the back of the pads as I didn't want copper grease given that it would be up against my shiney new rubber dust boots on the caliper pistons. However, it was a tightish fit to get them in with new discs and pads even with fully compressed pistons. On the down-side, I got a lot of sqeel last night when NOT braking suggesting some vibration in the disc or calipers themselves. So I had them off again last night and copper greased theface between the caliper and new mounting braket and the face between the hub and new discs which I forgot to do (duh!). I also put some silicone grease on the back of the pads on top of the 3M shims as it is rubber safe. Problem solved (so far!)  :happy2:

I had 3mm spacers handy but didn't need to use them - there was a good 6mm clearance at the narrowest part with the 18" Skoda Zeniths.

BTW John, I followed your example an completely stripped the head of the small disc retaining screw and had to drill it out. Only on one side though but I was still cursing. :fighting:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 21, 2010, 02:04:32 pm
Dave

I'd strongly suggest you use the proper Porsche anti rattle shims, they just work.

They're expensive for what they are but once you settle on a pad manufacturer then buy some and stick em on

It avoids the need for lashings of copperslip etc
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 21, 2010, 03:03:36 pm
Dave

I'd strongly suggest you use the proper Porsche anti rattle shims, they just work.

They're expensive for what they are but once you settle on a pad manufacturer then buy some and stick em on

It avoids the need for lashings of copperslip etc

Yeah, I had decided that if any squeels came back then that is what I would do. Kinda painful though as there is little change out of £65 for 4 of them with delivery and VAT when looking at Design911 or Fraserparts  :surprised:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 21, 2010, 03:53:03 pm
Hi Dave

A little bit cheaper here

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2004/p/Car-Parts/Brakes/Brake-Friction/Brake-Pads/?101339140&1&22df71167343859f5639361dfd47d4b34da7660b&BKPA (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2004/p/Car-Parts/Brakes/Brake-Friction/Brake-Pads/?101339140&1&22df71167343859f5639361dfd47d4b34da7660b&BKPA)

The ECP branches tend to keep them in stock haggle for 15% your local porsche centre can also give you 20% if he's in the mood, they're a service item so they can help with the price.

The price ECP quote is the same price as Porsche Dealers so haggle away for quiet brakes!! PS same as the 996 Front so if you see them on ebay get em bought
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 21, 2010, 03:56:40 pm
Well spotted Dave  :happy2: I use ECP all the time but never thought to look for the vibration dampers for a Boxster there for whatever reason  :ashamed:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: jmspear on July 21, 2010, 06:26:10 pm
If you say you are a Porsche Club GB member OPC's give you ~ 15% discount straight away ;-)

Obviously only applies if you are a member, I am not suggesting that anyone who is not a member claims to be one, but worth joining the club if you are going to be buying lots of bits from OPC's
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 22, 2010, 01:35:05 pm
Anyone know whether the price quoted would be for one (as it says caliper (no "S")) or for a set of calipers and would they do the job instead of the porsche 4 pots?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-REPLACEMENT-BRAKE-4-POT-CALIPER-RED-CMB0369-/200385350677?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ea7e5cc15
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: SteveP on July 22, 2010, 04:59:30 pm
Finally got my easyjet coloured ones fitted today, pic's to follow  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 22, 2010, 11:33:35 pm
Finally got my easyjet coloured ones fitted today, pic's to follow  :happy2:

Would be interested to hear what pads you are using and how you get on. My sqeals came back so Porsche anti-vibration shims ordered today.

Good news was that I had the car MOT'd today and brakes were fine. Still failed coz clowns at dealership sold me a car with a continental headlamp on the o/s  :fighting: I'll be having words with them  :mad:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: G4V VW on July 22, 2010, 11:50:53 pm
Finally got my easyjet coloured ones fitted today, pic's to follow  :happy2:

Would be interested to hear what pads you are using and how you get on. My sqeals came back so Porsche anti-vibration shims ordered today.

Good news was that I had the car MOT'd today and brakes were fine. Still failed coz clowns at dealership sold me a car with a continental headlamp on the o/s  :fighting: I'll be having words with them  :mad:

Yes ive also been debating what pads to use, the calipers came with some which are in good condition and barely worn, cant remember what make they are now though, will look tomorrow.

Dont really wanna mix these with new discs though!!

At the end of all this my brakes will be worth more than the car  :signLOL:

Muckipup where did you order your shims from, ECP?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 23, 2010, 12:19:59 am
Gav

I'd definetely use those pads for bedding in your new discs, if you put new pads into grooved discs then you can get say a 1000 miles worth of wear in only 200 miles.

If they're porsche OEM with the dampners attached then defo get them on, even if they're crap pads chuck em on for 200 miles or so.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: G4V VW on July 23, 2010, 12:30:20 am
Gav

I'd definetely use those pads for bedding in your new discs, if you put new pads into grooved discs then you can get say a 1000 miles worth of wear in only 200 miles.

If they're porsche OEM with the dampners attached then defo get them on, even if they're crap pads chuck em on for 200 miles or so.

Ok thanks for that Dave, will have a look tomorrow out of interest to see what make they are. ive just looked on that ECP link you put on here and they def didnt come with the shims. Ill get some ordered up i think. Cant be doing with the squeeling!!

Dave forgot to ask will you be able to put the porsche writing back on the calipers or will i need to get hold of some stickers?
If you can do it but it costs, let me know pal and i'll send some funds  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 23, 2010, 12:10:46 pm
Muckipup where did you order your shims from, ECP?

Yup, they were as cheap as I could say but at £50 ish it was still painful   :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 23, 2010, 01:30:14 pm
Gav

Red - White decals no problem

Dave

They're expensive but what price your sanity!

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!

Another pair of calipers with shims and pads that look in good nick £0.01p start

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-FRONTS-DISCS_W0QQitemZ220641599977QQcategoryZ10408QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26pmod%3D260628976644%26po%3DLLIW%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6920902690755001089 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-FRONTS-DISCS_W0QQitemZ220641599977QQcategoryZ10408QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26pmod%3D260628976644%26po%3DLLIW%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6920902690755001089)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 23, 2010, 01:40:06 pm

Dave

They're expensive but what price your sanity!

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!


Your not wrong! I am not getting much of a sqeal but it is like fingernails running down a blackboard to me.

Not sure what you mean about just placing the shims in the pistons. Do you mean they don't peel off the cover to the sticky-back shims?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: muckipup on July 23, 2010, 02:05:39 pm
OK chaps, here are a few pictures of my progress...

First, the before and after (DaveB's refurb) pics again:

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Nice and light, eh?

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This is the problem that I had with the dust boots on most of the pistons and something that I would recommend you look out for when buying as they are approx. £12 for a pair! When the pistons were extended, these cracks were gaping holes

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Here were the starting materials:

Socket set with good range of sizes and large (Size 10??) socket hex bit included. Not shown is the torque wrench as a lot of leverage was needed to remove the old carriers. The 3mm spacers were not needed in the end and the pad were sensor was crafted from a Porsche sensor and the connector from and the pad from the old calipers.

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Here's the old disc & caliper (no that's not a Redstuff pad honest)

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This bolt in the middle needs to come off. Same for the one at the top of the carrier. Plenty of force needed!. These are then used to attached DaveB's fitting kit albeit that they are bolten in from the other side after the disc is removed:

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Here is a little tip I have for when the old caliper is removed and the brake line is open (don't laugh, this was a first for me)...Use a cap that fits the brake fluid reservoir and double up some cellophane and use it to seal the researvoir and creat a vacuum to minimise fluid loss over your driveway; I just use the Eezibleed cap. Second, the cap from the schrader valve on one of the kid's bikes kinda clips on to the end of the brake lines supplied by DaveB to give a reasonable seal. With the old one off and the new line quickly on, I lost about 1ml  :happy2:

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Brake line connected up, new disc on (after shearing the disc retaining screw and drilling it out like John did) and calipers easily but firmly bolted to the new carriers (pads loosely fitted just to check that clearance was definitely there as it looked a little tight). Note, I asked Dave to leave the Porsche decal off on my calipers as I preferred the plain look:

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As you can see, there is plenty of clearance between the disc and the caliper pegs after DaveB ground-off a mm or two:

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Job's a good'un....but another tip - don't be stupid like me and leave one of the bleed nipples slightly open as powdercoated and laquered calipers don't like brake fluid. Luckily Hammerite smooth red in my garage covered this up nicely and it was not visible at all from the outside:

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Finished job showing good clearance between calipers and 18" Zenith alloys on an Octavia

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: G4V VW on July 23, 2010, 06:47:04 pm
Gav

Red - White decals no problem

Dave

They're expensive but what price your sanity!

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!

Another pair of calipers with shims and pads that look in good nick £0.01p start

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-FRONTS-DISCS_W0QQitemZ220641599977QQcategoryZ10408QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26pmod%3D260628976644%26po%3DLLIW%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6920902690755001089 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-FRONTS-DISCS_W0QQitemZ220641599977QQcategoryZ10408QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26pmod%3D260628976644%26po%3DLLIW%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6920902690755001089)

Sound cheers Dave  :happy2:
The pads that came with my calipers are Galfer..they have got brembo all over them also, any good?

Looking very nice Muckipup  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 23, 2010, 07:22:12 pm
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: G4V VW on July 23, 2010, 07:51:27 pm
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Moschops on July 23, 2010, 08:05:56 pm
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:

Eh...I thought you were saving for an Edition 30... :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: SteveP on July 23, 2010, 10:07:10 pm
Pleased to report the brakes have bedded in very well, shame they have to come off the car to be refinished.

The only thing I think I would change, if it's possible/practical, is getting the disc machined down to remove the area that is going to be unswept by the porker pads  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 24, 2010, 11:26:03 am


Dave

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!


Dave - Not sure what you mean about just placing the shims in the pistons. Do you mean they don't peel off the cover to the sticky-back shims?



The only thing I think I would change, if it's possible/practical, is getting the disc machined down to remove the area that is going to be unswept by the porker pads  :happy2:

It's a fair point Steve. It doesn't phase me but you can expect this regarding the unswept area:

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: G4V VW on July 25, 2010, 10:26:21 pm
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:

Eh...I thought you were saving for an Edition 30... :signLOL:

HAHA yes i am sort of Wayne... Kerry keeps reminding me the kitchen needs doing first  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 27, 2010, 07:45:21 am
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Interestingly, the Jurids that I have as a spare set are printed 'Jurid' on the back but the metalwork is stamped GALFER3853FF.

My anti-rattle / anti-squeel dampers have arrived so I may try the Jurids instead of the Bosch pads when I fit the dampers tonight.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 27, 2010, 01:20:40 pm
DaveB1970 - Did you get my email? I cant PM you as im so new unfortunately...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: joesgti on July 27, 2010, 01:27:25 pm
Just to add...... i was going a 'bit' quick on my dinner, came around a corner and a car had stopped in the road with smoke pouring out of it!!

i had forgotten how quickly these things stop you!  :surprised:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 29, 2010, 10:51:31 am
Quick update and question:

QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that if they pump the brakes, the pedal firms up a bit as would be expected but if the pressure is maintained on the peddle it very slowly but surely drops?

It is only by mm's every few seconds and seems to stop part of the way down but is still noticeable. I can see any leaks at all and don't think I have any air in the system  :scared: . Perhaps it always did this even with the original brakes. I dunno.  I would appreciate if someone could give this a try rather than go by memory.  :happy2:

UPDATE: I swapped over the Bosch pads for the Jurids (stamped GALFER3853FF on the metalwork) at the same time as putting on the anti-rattle ('anti-sqeel') shims last night. I also pushed a further litre of ATE SL.6 through the front calipers.

Even with only some light breaking in and 30 miles of travel, the Jurids seem to have the edge over the Bosch pads imho. Not saying Bosch were bad and they were still much better than the original setup but, until last  night, I really only had one 'data point' with these new calipers.

DaveB - you asked about the Bosch and mentioned that they were getting good review but I will probably stick with the Jurids for now.

One observation to share - whether it was the new Bosch pads with the stick-on antisqueel pads from 3M or the Jurids with the Porsche anti-sqeel damping plates, getting these pads in is a tight fit! I guess the 25mm thickness of the 312 disc vs. 24mm of the Boxster disc combined with the 0.5mm or so of antisqueel backing makes things a bit snug. The sticky-back of the new shims added to the challenge. However, with a bit of a wiggle, loosening the disc-retaining bolts and a few taps with a hammer, they seated in OK and the discs were tight but moveable.  I had an MOT earlier this week which noted "slight binding" on the o/s disc.  However, I put some grease on the pad-retaining pegs last night to aid movement and, with the sticky-back shims, I am hoping that the pads now retract a little more when the pistons are relaxed.

The good news is that so far the squeel has gone with the Porsche shims but I need to give it more time as it started off OK the last time (then the pistons ate through the anti-sqeel pads). It got progressively worse with time and as the brakes/discs heated up to the point of being very noticeable previously. Those 3M sticky pads just didn't do it for me!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 29, 2010, 11:28:55 am
DaveB1970 - Did you get my email? I cant PM you as im so new unfortunately...

Sorry mate didn't see it, im away a lot at the moment and my webmail filters are a little harsh as they on a max setting because of the 3 tonnes of Viagra I get offered most mornings. Either resend it or give me a call on 078 31 275 6 0 2


Dave

Excellent feedback thanks, with regards the slight binding, I'd reccomend that you remove the caliper with the two attach bolts  - take out the pads with the shims on and then with the brake res cap off gently push the pistons all the way back in......

This is a sort of Ctrl-alt-del for calipers, if you added the thickness of the shims without moving the pistons all the way back then the rollback of the fluid seal which gives you the 10th of a mm piston retraction when you take your foot of the brake wont work properly as its previous "datum"'s been moved. Im not saying thats the problem just a possible cause and effect. I may not be understanding quite fully what you did in which case apologies and ignore me

The Porsche shims are good - hopefully that will be the end of your noise - I take it you wont be recommending the 3M stuff as an alternative to others then!! What about the Bosch Pads worthwhile fitting? I know there 30 odd quid cheaper, but I must admit spending all the money on the calipers then the kit then the fitting to scrimp on the pads seems pointless I guess

Regarding the sinking pedal, I thought that only happened on TDI's which had a faulty secondary air pump for servo assistance, it might be you have a leaky vacuum pipe to your servo - or am I talking boll0cks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: SteveP on July 29, 2010, 11:40:07 am
Quick update and question:

QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that if they pump the brakes, the pedal firms up a bit as would be expected but if the pressure is maintained on the peddle it very slowly but surely drops?

It is only by mm's every few seconds and seems to stop part of the way down but is still noticeable. I can see any leaks at all and don't think I have any air in the system  :scared: . Perhaps it always did this even with the original brakes. I dunno.  I would appreciate if someone could give this a try rather than go by memory.  :happy2:


Can't say I have noticed this but will check and confirm later  :happy2:

I gave mine a battering last night and did notice was after about 10mins of pushing the brakes the initial bite was lost but the braking power remained good. If you touched the brakes, come off the pedal and then back on straight away the initial bite was back.

Also under very very heavy braking the pedal did very nearly hit the floor but I am not sure if this is down to the EBD, not something the AP's did though  :confused:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 29, 2010, 11:57:49 am
DaveB - thanks again. I had a bash at pushing the pistons back in last night with the reservoir cap off and the calipers still attached and the back of a couple of ring spanner for gentle leverage  :ashamed: Well, it did move them back and allowed me to get the pads in so we'll see how we get on.

I shan't slate the 3M pads as they seem to have worked for others from what I hear....they were as useful as a chocolate teapot for me though  :grin:

Steve - much appreciated  :happy2: I am hoping that it is just what happens rather than leaking vacuum pipes or knackered servo!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gazbutS3 on July 29, 2010, 12:06:59 pm
I've noticed the steady sink on the peddle on several VAG cars that I've driven and owned, the S3 does it as well :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: john_o on July 29, 2010, 01:24:07 pm
agree with Gaz  :happy2: , its to do with the way the vacuum assistance works.
if you try and pump the pedal with engine off it will go hard. pedal feels fab with no drop drop under pressure.
but as soon as you start the car , vaccuum is created and the assistance kicks in  and the pedal goes awol  :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 29, 2010, 03:25:55 pm
agree with Gaz  :happy2: , its to do with the way the vacuum assistance works.
if you try and pump the pedal with engine off it will go hard. pedal feels fab with no drop drop under pressure.
but as soon as you start the car , vaccuum is created and the assistance kicks in  and the pedal goes awol  :grin:

That's exactly what happens (although to say the pedal goes awol would be a bit over-dramatic  :wink: )

Many thanks chaps - that's reassured me and I'll untie the cord from around my neck now  :laugh:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 29, 2010, 07:04:16 pm
DaveB1970 - Did you get my email? I cant PM you as im so new unfortunately...

Sorry mate didn't see it, im away a lot at the moment and my webmail filters are a little harsh as they on a max setting because of the 3 tonnes of Viagra I get offered most mornings. Either resend it or give me a call on 078 31 275 6 0 2



resent it there now Dave, hope you can help me out!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 29, 2010, 07:25:09 pm
You have mail sir......
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: White_Lady_170 on July 29, 2010, 07:36:27 pm
You have mail sir......

Replied, thanks Dave!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: No-fear on July 30, 2010, 03:39:05 pm
Dave,

Thanks for the starting this thread.

I'm new to the forum and i've been considering the change to the R32 setup, but after reading this, i'm set on trying this.

I've found the set of brakes you linked previously, here's hoping.

If i'm lucky I'll PM ref a refurb and extras required.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 30, 2010, 05:56:41 pm
No Snags Matey

Good luck with the auction :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: No-fear on July 31, 2010, 10:00:15 pm
Dave,

I see SteveP is selling his orange set of porker's. Shame about the install problem.

As a newbee i'm not allowed to post on the for sale section yet.

Could be interested. Need to check out the finances.

How does one go about contacting each other?

Richard.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on August 01, 2010, 09:37:39 am
Great thread - subscribed :happy2:

Tempted but stuck with the 17" wheels for a bit now as just given them a full set of new tyres.

Not sure the clearance would be enough.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 01, 2010, 10:19:16 am
16's are big enough radially! 3mm spacer on17" Monza's works well - £15 from ebay, they still leave some spigot showing so good to go
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on August 01, 2010, 03:43:13 pm
Bodger00 I initially went with no spacer on my 17" monza II's but the clearance was very tight so went with the 3mm spacer as Dave said and yes I got it from ebay aswell, :-) plenty of clearance with spacer and no fitment bolt issues - definitely the way to go, have done about 4k miles on mine now and they are great :-) :-) :-)

Drove my ex's ed30 the other day with the std brakes and night and day difference, this really is a must have upgrade if you have any extra engine power!

Cheers

John
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on August 01, 2010, 06:24:05 pm
You mean 5mm spacer there, John?

I have a pair of 3mm spacers if anyone needs them; should be enough to give sufficient clearance.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on August 01, 2010, 07:06:43 pm
Good spot and pretty important in the post, no I meant 3mm spacers, have modified now ;-) cheers!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on August 02, 2010, 08:54:02 pm
Thanks jmspear thought they would be a no go for me tbh.

Hummm think I will defo do this mod these if i'm going to Revo  :party:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on August 02, 2010, 10:09:44 pm

 :happy2:

I've done another write-up for the Briskoda folks:

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/169744-not-so-big-brake-kit-porsche-brembo-4-pot-calipers-on-vrs/
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tooly on August 12, 2010, 07:46:50 am
16's are big enough radially! 3mm spacer on17" Monza's works well - £15 from ebay, they still leave some spigot showing so good to go

First post, just found this thread an looked through all 17 pages!

So 16" wheels will clear for sure? I realize that a spacer may be required (I already need a 3mm to clear the spokes on 18" BBS CV wheels) but I haven't been able to find confirmation of 16" wheels clearing on this side of the pond. I have the same kit but with a different brand adapter on my Golf.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.shaw.ca%2Fpga07%2FP1020614edit.jpg&hash=2ab8d2bbe4bfa6e8d18c5d48349fd50294165321)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: USAWolfsburg on August 28, 2010, 02:35:55 pm
DaveB,

I sent you an email inquiring about buying the fitting kit from you. I have a couple questions I forgot to ask:

Any further progress on the 2-piece rotors?

Just to confirm, this setup will fit an MKVI (2010) GTI correct?

Cheers,
Duffy
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: danishmkvgti on August 28, 2010, 04:41:12 pm
DaveB,

I sent you an email inquiring about buying the fitting kit from you. I have a couple questions I forgot to ask:

Any further progress on the 2-piece rotors?

Just to confirm, this setup will fit an MKVI (2010) GTI correct?

Cheers,
Duffy


Mk V and mk VI share same suspension platform so it will fit  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: USAWolfsburg on August 28, 2010, 08:58:26 pm
That's what I thought, just double checking.

Thanks!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: noktoto on September 19, 2010, 10:41:25 pm
Can anybody prepare pdf with profile of Boxster calipers with Golf adapters, something similar to that from "Wheel Fitment Instructions" on this page:

http://www.xyz-racing.com/brakekit3.php
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mYGeL on January 09, 2011, 03:01:42 pm
hello :)

I wonder if you can supply mounting parts for Brembo 8pistons calipers?
togheter with rs6+ disc for an seat leon cupra -08 ?
thsi car :)
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=283972

sorry i know it is wrong calipers but i have them already but cant anyone that can help me with these parts :(

Also what does it cost to powdercoat them white?

I hope you can help me or tip me who can help me?

Thanks

Best regards// Michel
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on April 17, 2011, 09:05:19 pm
Hi guys,

Some time ago I fitted DaveB's nqsbk. Everything is ok, haven't had a track day yet so I can't say much about the performance. I have just fitted the Pagid Orange pads because I wanted to blend in the discs. With the OEM Porsche Brembo pads the braking power is much better than with the OEM GTI brakes.

But there is one thing that might help you guys... Before I bought the kit I was wondering if it fits my 16 inch winter tires. I searched high and low for confirmation but could only get bits and pieces. So, today I made a check to see if my winter tires clear the brakes:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176486.jpg&hash=f67ee896f02a421fee96d59d93ad065e7a927934)

1. In order to have the spokes clear my OEM Mugello Rims (6,5 x 16 ET 50) I need about 8mm of spacer. BUT this is not all... If I put a 10mm spacer the brakes WILL NOT fit the rim radially. This is because the inside of the rim is not straight. So I would have to put more spacers (or a bigger one).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FWheel.jpg&hash=6cb7ae7acbf13c70967b0ec5e346970ceabd5597)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176490.jpg&hash=efb3c5a875f390a33b9bead1069b23768c5815d4)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176491.jpg&hash=353c96b4bcb44acc3e33cf1f0339488e2c568905)

2. In order for the brakes to clear the rims radially I need aprox a 15mm spacer. This will just clear the brakes but it is to close for comfort for my taste so I will go with a 20mm hubcentric spacer. This makes the rim get outside the wheel arches (in the photo below the car is jacked so this is not the real look; I just didn't have longer bolts so I did not feel confident enough to let the car down).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176492.jpg&hash=747c3df08e3778ef26b00f3bf96972f9674ae336)

And I tried the track rims once again. I am talking about the OEM Goal Anthracite 7,5 x 17 ET 50 rims . Well if you have the nqsbbk and you want to buy these wheels think again or be prepared to use a minimum 3mm spacer. I decided to use a 10mm hubcentric spacer instead.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176494.jpg&hash=d956af015a26dcb9354e98868f71f4ad8e13c799)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP4176496.jpg&hash=d163003880cf95de6bba1e32c6738b4bf13d13ae)

Cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Spin on July 22, 2011, 05:01:50 pm
Very interested in doing this as an affordable option on my newly aquired Mk6 GTI, I too have a brake fetish and find the standard set up lacking,  my previous car a BMW had the Brembo 6 pot conversion supplied by BMW performance and the one before that an 8P S3,  this car was used by AP for the development of their 6 pot kit.

I'm not expecting this economy set up to be quite in the same league but what are peoples thoughts now they have been running the set up for some time.

I do approx 6 track days per year but the rest of the time the car gets a fairly easy life - any advice much appreciated,  cheers  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Hurdy on July 22, 2011, 05:33:18 pm
I would also be interested in peoples thoughts on this. I'm thinking of it for the PoloGTI but not 100% sure about the cylinder size match as my understanding is that the pedal would have to travel further to get full braking?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 22, 2011, 05:36:50 pm
I would also be interested in peoples thoughts on this. I'm thinking of it for the PoloGTI but not 100% sure about the cylinder size match as my understanding is that the pedal would have to travel further to get full braking?

+1

i know alot of guys are looking into new brakes at the moment on the various 1.4TSI forums but none want BBK's. so this would be ideal
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 22, 2011, 05:38:19 pm

I can report on these as of 1st aug, booked in for fitting  :party:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 22, 2011, 05:45:02 pm
I would also be interested in peoples thoughts on this. I'm thinking of it for the PoloGTI but not 100% sure about the cylinder size match as my understanding is that the pedal would have to travel further to get full braking?

+1

i know alot of guys are looking into new brakes at the moment on the various 1.4TSI forums but none want BBK's. so this would be ideal

Hurdy am i right in thinking you have alrwady looked into this?  If so what calipers and discs were you thinking.  danza made an interesting pst in Blades Polo thread ref Mk1 cupra R 4 pots with readily available 2 piece discs
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on July 22, 2011, 06:13:19 pm
I had this setup on my Mk V and latterly my MkVI, gives fantastic pedal feel and very noticably increased stopping power over the std setup. I even had the sales rep at my dealership drive my MkV (for part ex purposes) back to back with a mkVI R and he commented on how much better my brakes were than the R's  :happy2:

That was in terms of feel (once he removed his face from my windscreen first time he went to stop) and outright stopping power.

I had the brakes on both cars for about 10k miles and rate the setup very highly, now selling the complete setup as have switched to a GTD and direct line insurance who are v cheap for a std GTD but ££££ punish you for ANY mods, once it is out of warranty (1.5 yrs) it will have a chip and this setup but until then it is std  :sad1:

Cant comment on a Polo but the bias front to rear works on the mkV GTI and MkVI GTI porsche brakes on front and std on back.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 22, 2011, 06:58:15 pm
Well guys, I think it all has to do with power and weight...
For my car 1270kg and 155bhp, the brakes are truly great. I had 2 serious track days till now and there are no minuses.
BUT, putting these on a 300bhp mk6 GTI (if you have lets say stage 2 or, 260-270 bhp for stage one) is, I think, not enough for serious tracking. It will work truly well for everything but extreme tracking. The way I see it, the discs are the weakest link in this setup. I think they are too thin.

About the Polo GTI, I think this bbk is ideal for this car. It weighs about the same as mine but with more power (especially if there is a stage 1). And, it also allows for 16 inch rims (this was one of the selling bits for me).
As I know the stock polo GTI brakes have 288mm discs. Am I correct? I think the back has 256mm disks. If this is the case, I had these brake as standard. Now I have this BBK with stock GTI rears (286mm) and this works fine.

One more thing that I really like about this bbk is that it comes just like you want...
When looking around for BBK I noticed some BBK have drilled discs (not quite you want if you track a lot) or DS2500 or similar pads as standard. After talking with DaveB I realized what pads and dics I needed and now I have the setup that suites me.
I like this kit a lot!

With a lightweight 2 piece disc (I am not sure if DaveB can provide these, but, for example Tarox can for 600 EURO a pair  :fighting:) this setup is also a very very light one. Caliper 2.5kg + pads 0.5 kg + bracket 1 kg + lightweight disc ~ 5-6 kg (stock is 8.6). Please correct me if I am wrong but these figures are from memory.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on July 22, 2011, 07:45:35 pm

When looking around for BBK I noticed some BBK have drilled discs (not quite you want if you track a lot) or DS2500 or similar pads as standard. After talking with DaveB I realized what pads and dics I needed and now I have the setup that suites me.
I like this kit a lot!

actually disagree with the drilled comment above, if you track a lot, and I do on my track 991 (993), the biggest issue by far is heat dissapation, you need all the help you can get and need drilling and venting ideally, I have gone twin turbo big red on the front of my 911 and 993 RS (pretty much same size as normal 911 fronts) on the back on my track 993 and that only weighs 1180kgs, the big brakes are drilled and vented and big (helps heat dissapation) I can get the same braking on smaller disks with smaller Porsche calipers but the heat build up kills the braking. What you get with high speed, heavy braking and repeated heavy braking is brake fade and often desposition of material from the pads onto the disk causing what feels like a warped disk.

The real benefit of the porsche calipers is two fold IMHO, firstly you get four pistons, this helps massively with feel and earlier application of braking power for a given pedal pressure, plus much better control and also as has been mentioned lighter weight.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 22, 2011, 07:52:46 pm
OFFTopic My point was the drilled discs crack under intense braking (laurent for example experienced this on his A3 with brembo floating discs). And I have heard other people say this. This never happened to me since I never bought drilled discs for the reason above.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on July 22, 2011, 08:19:35 pm
yeh good point they do, its not the intense braking per se but the intense heat that the braking causes, I find on my track car you get little cracks radiating out from the holes over time (due to the extreme heat cycles) but you don't get any fade or loss of brake performance, I guess solid disks last longer because they tell you when they are overheating (by loss of performance). On my old brake set up (on my 911), I came in once at Castle combe and I actually had smoke coming out from the front brakes  :laugh: drew a small crowd!

anyway, back on topic, the NQSBBK with solid disks is ideal IMHO as no cracking, great performance and no fading, BUT my mkV was only running 275HP and 315lbft so don't know what they would be like on a 360HP ed30 tracked v hard??
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: andyboygsi on July 22, 2011, 10:27:30 pm
awesome, i need these in my life
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 23, 2011, 10:27:26 am
yeh good point they do, its not the intense braking per se but the intense heat that the braking causes
Well that is what I meant  :innocent:. intense braking causes intense heat and that causes the cracks to appear.

anyway, back on topic, the NQSBBK with solid disks is ideal IMHO as no cracking, great performance and no fading, BUT my mkV was only running 275HP and 315lbft so don't know what they would be like on a 360HP ed30 tracked v hard??

True, exactly my point also!
BUT, I think it all comes to the driver. A friend of mine has a 400+ bhp Polo GTI. He still has his stock 288mm discs and stock calipers (only DS2500 + race fluid + metallic brake line). He had no problems with this setup on a track day because he new he had a problem with the brakes and he did not push them that far. This was my philosophy also before getting these NQSBBK. I knew I had bad brakes and I did not brake as hard as I could have.
Anyway, this setup is miles better than the stock GTI one.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2011, 04:41:41 pm

Might be a retarded question but....

Will my caliper rewind tool be okay for this setup or do I need a new one?

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo56%2F2968Gsi_Mike%2FKGrHqRiwE1MJ6kGIuBNb12Vz_35.jpg&hash=7c0e0c4f98a46d1683cf7a7b0b2bf3786727cb7d)

If not Ill package it up with my Cupra 345 setup and let the buyer have it Gratis
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2011, 04:42:43 pm
You don't need not for the fronts as far as i know.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2011, 04:46:18 pm
You don't need not for the fronts as far as i know.

Do they rewind okay by hand?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2011, 04:49:39 pm
You don't need not for the fronts as far as i know.

Do they rewind okay by hand?

Someone who knows will tell you.. but AFAIK you don't need to rewind the fronts.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 23, 2011, 05:22:33 pm
Does rewind mean pushing the pistons back? If this is what it means I use a screwdriver to take the pads out and than push the pistons back using a bigger wrench.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 23, 2011, 05:44:43 pm
Does rewind mean pushing the pistons back? If this is what it means I use a screwdriver to take the pads out and than push the pistons back using a bigger wrench.

Thats all I needed to know, ta.   :happy2:

Need a rewind tool for the big old cupra calipers.  thinking about chucking it in with my setup Ive sold but may need it for rears..
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jmspear on July 23, 2011, 10:33:19 pm
Don't need rewind tool for the porsche front brakes, but I would keep it for your standard rears as you do need a rewind tool on the std rear brakes. HTH cheers John
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Hurdy on July 24, 2011, 02:48:43 am
I would also be interested in peoples thoughts on this. I'm thinking of it for the PoloGTI but not 100% sure about the cylinder size match as my understanding is that the pedal would have to travel further to get full braking?

+1

i know alot of guys are looking into new brakes at the moment on the various 1.4TSI forums but none want BBK's. so this would be ideal

Hurdy am i right in thinking you have alrwady looked into this?  If so what calipers and discs were you thinking.  danza made an interesting pst in Blades Polo thread ref Mk1 cupra R 4 pots with readily available 2 piece discs

Yeah, I interrogated a few chaps I know in the business and they said that the master cylinder sizes for the Polo/VRS/Boc meant that the Boxster brakes would work, but not as "feelsome" as brake sets designed for the MK4 would. For the prce difference I may go for the TAROX 6 pot brakes and a 312mm solid disc or even AP 4 pots and a 2 piece 330mm disc. I must admit I didn't look into a match for the Golf though, but it would be good to know if the master cylinders for the POLO GTI and the MKV Goolf GTI/ED30 are the same or not?.......aprt numbers anyone?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 24, 2011, 04:36:19 am
Mk4 gti & m5 gti ed30 & polo & fabia & Ibiza all 23.8mm

Boxster fronts would be perfect, as would Leon cupra R calipers

Boxster fronts on polo Gti is work in progress matey getting to the mock up stage will need a wheel soon
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 24, 2011, 04:40:19 am
And just further to that, you need to look at the single piston size. Polo gti uses mk4 disc and mk5 calipers. So hydraulically it's mk5

Also just started work on the lightweight NQSBBK bracket, this bolts to S3 hubs and the whole package weighs the same as a packet of maltesers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: playback on July 24, 2011, 07:44:13 am
Also just started work on the lightweight NQSBBK bracket, this bolts to S3 hubs and the whole package weighs the same as a packet of maltesers

Wow... Setup and reviews look awesome. Currently I am running a mk5 GTI AXX K04 that got upgraded a few years back make just on 300hp on the wheels.
Which on our fuel is about right .Nothing over the top or strongest around. Currently she uses stock everything except race fluid but she has just ticked over 100 000km and is feeling rather spungy.
I know shocker with the hp and lack of brakes.... I should also mention the car does not get tracked and now that I have a little one hooning is far less but I am sure with some better brakes the odd breakfast run may start happening more often :)
The wife drives it daily so nothing over the top is required but not squeling would be a must.

So...Dave
1st. Being in S.A. Could I just send u the cash, once you have it , u purchse from e-bay ,referb and the post them on down ?
2nd. As I am on the limit of what you would recommend for this upgrade eg 300hp I was thinking it would be awesome to get the 2 piece disc at the same time.

I am not sure what you meant by "lightweight NQSBBK bracket" but in my world I am guessing you are now looking into the 2 piece design ?
I am also guessing that besides the weight saving a 2 piece design would aid in heat dissapation ?

Again awesome for helping develop this solution.

I also saw you posted a pic of the 2 Piece discs this month in the post on pg 12.... The photo label says "apracing-j-rotors-002" and look awesome. Can only imagine these behind my current stock 18" mags.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 24, 2011, 08:18:57 am
Also just started work on the lightweight NQSBBK bracket, this bolts to S3 hubs and the whole package weighs the same as a packet of maltesers

Dave, please tell us when you are done with it.
I was thinking of buying the S3 hubs but the current brackets don't work so I never bought them.
So I am very interested in this!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 24, 2011, 10:06:08 am
They'll hopefully be ready for the 29th, i have a vision of a stripped out track DSG Mk5 with around 300BHP on S3 hubs, KW V3's with some adjustable top mounts, polybushed TT lower arms, 315x22 J hook two piece rotors with Boxster 4 pots with some RS29's.

I reckon thats 18kg-22kg per corner saved.

That'd be fun wouldn't it?

Still think those £2000 BBKs look good value?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 24, 2011, 10:14:27 am
They'll hopefully be ready for the 29th,

Hope so  :scared:  Still in 2minds to go to Dave Massey or my VW Master tech (budget dependant)


315x22 J hook two piece rotors



Yes please!  :party:


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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 24, 2011, 10:33:02 am
Theres a good chance there wouldnt be any change out of £500

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faa266%2F__PiratePixie__%2Ftumbleweed.gif&hash=f9018ba0192b0c45cc66b1b3ac051169f9ce0d4f)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on July 24, 2011, 10:34:41 am
They'll hopefully be ready for the 29th, i have a vision of a stripped out track DSG Mk5 with around 300BHP on S3 hubs, KW V3's with some adjustable top mounts, polybushed TT lower arms, 315x22 J hook two piece rotors with Boxster 4 pots with some RS29's.

I reckon thats 18kg-22kg per corner saved.

That'd be fun wouldn't it?

Still think those £2000 BBKs look good value?

:D. Aren't the discs a bit too thin?
I am going on a Nring + Spa trip on the 4th of August so I might buy those brackets after I return.
A setup with TT arms, S3 hubs, nqsbbk + 2 pierce rotors would save quite a lot of weight (from my calculations not more than 10kg compared to stock GTI, but a lot compared to GTI + R32 brakes).
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 24, 2011, 10:35:03 am
Theres a good chance there wouldnt be any change out of £500

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faa266%2F__PiratePixie__%2Ftumbleweed.gif&hash=f9018ba0192b0c45cc66b1b3ac051169f9ce0d4f)

 :innocent:  By the time im on my 2nd or 3rd set of discs then.  Expensive to maintain / service would you say?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on July 24, 2011, 10:36:27 am
Hmmm I keep looking at tis thread and thinking of ditching my r32 kit.

Dave how do these compare to the r32 in terms of stopping power? Obviously they are about 1/2 as heavy.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: playback on July 24, 2011, 11:23:52 am
They'll hopefully be ready for the 29th, i have a vision of a stripped out track DSG Mk5 with around 300BHP on S3 hubs, KW V3's with some adjustable top mounts, polybushed TT lower arms, 315x22 J hook two piece rotors with Boxster 4 pots with some RS29's.

I reckon thats 18kg-22kg per corner saved.

That'd be fun wouldn't it?

Still think those £2000 BBKs look good value?

29th .... Yay. Less than a week.

You don't have any sneak peak photos of the golf do you with the breaks fitted for teazer pics ?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 24, 2011, 11:38:42 am
Hmmm I keep looking at tis thread and thinking of ditching my r32 kit.

Dave how do these compare to the r32 in terms of stopping power? Obviously they are about 1/2 as heavy.

Well .......its less bout "stopping power" (define btw!)  and more about pedal feel, pad availability, its difficult to achieve good modulation with a single piston.... they just feel better which inspires a lot of confidence, R32 setups are great fro the money but you wouldn't describe them as a performance setup as fitted to an A4 3.0TDI SE Estate!

The pedal feel is the best bit about them, its not quite R8 Rears on the front with S3 rear calipers on the back but its also not £2000 either

If I could upgrade for another £300 on top of what my R32 setup would fetch I would do.

Having said that if it was me I'd buy new calipers from Porsche and leave them black.



Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deacon on July 24, 2011, 11:49:15 am
Dave i tried to pm you on here about a kit for my scirocco - did you get it?

Cheers,

Deacon
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 24, 2011, 11:51:03 am
Dave i tried to pm you on here about a kit for my scirocco - did you get it?

Cheers,

Deacon

With over 11 thousand views of this thread I bet daves PM box is bursting at the sides!  :scared:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on July 24, 2011, 12:05:50 pm
Sound good to me... Where do I sign? Are the calipers not a fortune from Porsche?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deacon on July 24, 2011, 12:43:38 pm
Dave i tried to pm you on here about a kit for my scirocco - did you get it?

Cheers,

Deacon

With over 11 thousand views of this thread I bet daves PM box is bursting at the sides!  :scared:

Yeah that's what i figured so thought I'd check. Dave must be one of the most in demand folk over the world of Vag forums. Across all the forums i bet he must get 100's!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gobbleplease on July 25, 2011, 12:31:00 am
Dave i tried to pm you on here about a kit for my scirocco - did you get it?

Cheers,

Deacon

Yea dave did you get my PM too :grin: :grin: :wink:

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 25, 2011, 10:41:59 pm
 :ashamed:

Sorry chaps, I'm running at around 150 pms a month at the mo, sometimes they can end up on page 2 before I get a chance to read them.....

Bryan, just remembered I read yours but you made the fateful mistake of saying "no rush" !!!! With the twins it's the case of the squeakiest wheel getting the most oil!

I was going to ring you still got your number and find out about your eddie purchase

@ deacon

Get back in touch mate, will always try to help if I can
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gobbleplease on July 26, 2011, 06:37:19 am
:ashamed:

Sorry chaps, I'm running at around 150 pms a month at the mo, sometimes they can end up on page 2 before I get a chance to read them.....

Bryan, just remembered I read yours but you made the fateful mistake of saying "no rush" !!!! With the twins it's the case of the squeakiest wheel getting the most oil!

I was going to ring you still got your number and find out about your eddie purchase

@ deacon

Get back in touch mate, will always try to help if I can

Yea mate ive still got the same number, im away at the moment and wont be back till friday the 5th of August (left my phone at home) :ashamed:

Yea no hurry mate, didnt want to bother you now you have got your hands full, Ive got 1 at 8 months and ive not worked on my mk2 for 3 months now, cant imagine what its like with two !!!! although if you come accross something ive got some money put a side for it (like the idea of the lightweight NQSBBK) - wouldnt be fitting it till next year anyway.

Ta  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 29, 2011, 01:43:19 pm
Right.....

This sort of thing is sort of crying out for a Group Buy, so if somebody wanted to organise it theres some good savings to be had, heres a copy of the email correspondence betwixt me and the porker dealer.

My Fitting Kit would be as follows if somebody wants to put it all together

1  Fitting Kit 275
5  Fitting Kit 245
10 Fitting Kit 210

Budget on 16GBP for logistics/postage and packaging etc etc

So after that its just pads which start at 25GBP for APEC's finest through to 275GBP for some RS29's!!!!
Quote


Hi Dave

Yes the prices are + vat.
 
Fitting Kits:  996.352.959.01 (Non “S”)
 
Retail price                    £36.55
 
Qty 1                            £31.00
Qty.5                            £28.50
Qty.10                          £24.50
Regards Dave.
 
From: DAVID BROWN [mailto:davebrown.home@############.com]
Sent: 28 July 2011 13:10
To: steven #########
Subject: Re: Caliper
 
Hi Steve
 
Are those prices Plus VAT? Assuming So..
 
Also can you do me the same matrix for the pad fitting kits as I understand from the parts catalogue that they're not included with the calipers.
 
Cheers
Dave

--- On Wed, 27/7/11, steven ########## <steven.###########@porsche########.co.uk> wrote:

From: steven ########## <steven.###########@porsche########.co.uk>
Subject: Caliper
To: "'Dave Brown'" <davebrown.home@>
Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 17:34

Hi Dave, here are the prices for the caliper we discussed.
 
 
Retail price                    £244.98
 
Qty 1                            £200.00
Qty.5                            £185.00
Qty.10                          £170.00
 
Hope this helps. There is good stock in GB/PAG
 
Regards Steve.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on July 29, 2011, 02:24:54 pm
So if I am reading the message right its £200 per caliper?  so £400 plus the £30 fitting kit (I guess these are the shims etc needed)  Then on top of that would be your adapter?  And thats assuming there arent 5-10 people.

You also mentioned getting the calipers in Black from porsche and leaving them is the same caliper also available in Red via a different part number or just the black?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 29, 2011, 03:50:44 pm
Hi Rich

yep pretty much. Dont forget the prices are plus VAT.

There isnt a red version of that caliper, if you see a red caliper on ebay from a boxster its from a 3.2 'S' and its the wrong one.

Im almost certain theres enough interest for a group buy of 10 people judging by the amount of PM's I get, just needs somebody to grab it by the b@lls.

Its interesting to see the calipers plus fitting kits available for just over 430'ish and a fahooked pair of a 2002 car fetching £290 delivered on ebay

Dont forget pads as well
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 04, 2011, 02:33:23 pm

Definately feels more nimble with the anorexic NQS BBK. 

Think it needs some time to bed in before I could make a comparison against the Cupra setup.

Using Stock 312mm discs and some used OEM Porsche pads to get me going (modding on a shoestring now babys on the way)

No good pics yet...

Look tiny bless em  :signLOL:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2FP1040509.jpg&hash=fa6ebcee64dfe7a2e3d749fc1f7d252d076863ac)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2FP1040508.jpg&hash=4b52f38bf7bbd689eed8654fe6add2f3485b2afd)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2FP1040506.jpg&hash=039817e91cce06456df6db4365894d582ad7b826)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 04, 2011, 02:34:50 pm


Big thanks to DaveB and Si at VacCo in Doncaster  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on August 04, 2011, 03:07:12 pm
Whats those lines on the nearside disc?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 04, 2011, 04:09:44 pm
Whats those lines on the nearside disc?

I have been wondering that.  Assumed it was down to used pads but hopefully Dave will be along to advise
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on August 04, 2011, 04:10:12 pm
They do look lost in your wheels Mike, interested to hear feedback on how they feel especially how they have affected ride (suspension) due to less un-sprung mass.  DomT car felt alot less crashy with his big Turbo brakes and the stopping power was mental.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 04, 2011, 04:13:52 pm
They do look lost in your wheels Mike, interested to hear feedback on how they feel especially how they have affected ride (suspension) due to less un-sprung mass.  DomT car felt alot less crashy with his big Turbo brakes and the stopping power was mental.

The difference I have noticed it in the handling.  Yes possibly less crashy.  Definately feels lighter and more nimble.
Feel good at low speeds, a little numb 50+ but they need bedding in.

Any tips on bedding in?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: playback on August 10, 2011, 04:35:48 am
Any idea on the floating discs or possible launch date ?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on August 10, 2011, 09:33:47 am
Well Lets start this by getting a list together of interested parties, if it needs someone to take control then I can within reason deal with the Porsche side of things as the central buying entity.

Dave it would be good bearing in mind the length of this thread now if you could state what your fitting kit includes and the price to get one off of you as I guess that is going to be the key to making this happen.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gobbleplease on August 10, 2011, 11:26:47 am

Any tips on bedding in?

drive the car at 80 mph and slam on the anchors hard 3 times in a row till you come to a complete stop !
Tbh i wouldnt expect the stopping power to be the same as your r32 brakes !


Id be interested in a gb if someone is organising it !
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Blade on August 10, 2011, 01:31:15 pm
These would be perfect for my Polo but its 5x100. Can i get them to fit?.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 01:33:08 pm

Ry when I met Dave to collect my NQSBBK I had a hundred things on my mind, sorry I forgot to mention the Polo  :ashamed:

Im sure Dave mentioned a trial fit on a Polo when I initially ordered the brakes.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 10, 2011, 02:51:55 pm
NQS BBK Fitting Kit comprises

Caliper Carriers Either Iron hub Variant for GTI or Alloy S3 Hub Variant.
HEL Braided Lines suitable for Porsche Calipers
Fine Threaded M12 Cap bolts for caliper mounting

The Kit price is

1  Fitting Kit 275
5  Fitting Kit 245
10 Fitting Kit 220

Its a difficult kit to machine as we need another pass to recess under the platform that the caliper sits on to clear the scruffy casting courtesy of VAG, Im also having to average the prices as the S3 Variant is significantly more expensive to produce as 65% of the billet blank ends up on the floor!

This kit in 5x100 would be PERFECT for a staged Polo GTI - its work in progress - if you order the calipers and a fitting kit with a deposit I'll get cracked on and get it finished, the TTRS boys are screaming for development work at the moment and the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil unfortunately.

2 Piece Discs assembled would most probably be aound 600 quid, its not a fast moving disc and the retail is 210.23 each plus VAT so not much left for bells and bolts after my discount.

So a quick review of a 2 piece setup

600 Discs
400 Calipers
40 Pad Fitting Kit
220 NQS Fitting Kit
?????  Pads

Personally I'd rather spend the money in this way ona more rounded front and rear setup

(assuming 10 people on the GB)

170 Machined J'Hook 312's
130 J Hooked rear 286 Discs
95 Rear DS2500 Pads
400 Calipers
220 NQS Fitting Kit
40 Pad fitting Kit
????? Front Pads - I'd reccomend Pagid RS4-2's or M1144's (Much cheaper but wear faster)

Dont forget the calipers need a small mod to widen the pad peg gap, they also need reversing.

If this goes ahead I'll happily do that work for FREE, the prices from Porsche also weren't for public consumption so I'll handle the purchase and supply the invoices on an open disclosure basis.

I'll also do some great pad prices - porsche pad prices are megabuck$ so we'll box clever.

Just need somebody to organise it, harvest say a 50 quid deposit from each person and I can get cracking shouldn't be hard over a couple of forums   :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 04:18:51 pm
Couple more pics

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F43b48b1a.jpg&hash=91850bd41b4e92fb78526078db9ed2b525bd8a11)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F316b87dc.jpg&hash=a7a96155cfb3ee6fb823e489dc12216208640fe8)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F60698640.jpg&hash=f0912da20e5ad42de0d4c40e547c1f9b077d69eb)

Will be Using J hooks for the road next time with RS4-2 pads when these are worn.
Very very interested in 2piece setup.  Will be doing S3 rears 1st.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 10, 2011, 04:29:44 pm
Looking good Mike, they should be getting settled around now.

The two piece disc will be coming in at around 5.7kg complete, new 312's are just inside of 10kg

So S3 Hubs, 2 piece discs, lightweight calipers, S3 arms....reckon thats probably good for 20-25kg per axle, its getting to the point where thats not only good for unsprung weight but its starting to help 1/4 times as well. One might argue thats going to help handling better than some V3's for a similar level of investment - dont know suspension though somebody will be along to comment soon
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 04:36:28 pm

Thanks mate :)

Braking at speeds upto 50mph feels really good.  Car feels more nimble when turning.

Haven't really had chance to do any 80 - 0 bedding in.

Would there be a noteable difference between the OEM textars & the RS4-2s?
 
:happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Hurdy on August 10, 2011, 09:13:43 pm
This brake kit is luring me in with the temptation of a lightweight 2 piece disc of awesomeness :drool:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 09:16:24 pm
This brake kit is luring me in with the temptation of a lightweight 2 piece disc of awesomeness :drool:

We all know you can't resist! 
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Hurdy on August 10, 2011, 09:23:37 pm
This brake kit is luring me in with the temptation of a lightweight 2 piece disc of awesomeness :drool:

We all know you can't resist! 

I have to resist....I have a big turbo conversion weight reduction scheme to plan.  :innocent:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 09:27:52 pm
This brake kit is luring me in with the temptation of a lightweight 2 piece disc of awesomeness :drool:

We all know you can't resist! 

I have to resist....I have a big turbo conversion weight reduction scheme to plan.  :innocent:

 :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on August 10, 2011, 10:04:35 pm
Would there be a noteable difference between the OEM textars & the RS4-2s?
 


when cold:  more squeeking

when on track:  massively more bite


If you can't find 2-piece discs go for a set of Tarox next.  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 10, 2011, 10:09:42 pm
Would there be a noteable difference between the OEM textars & the RS4-2s?
 


when cold:  more squeeking

when on track:  massively more bite


If you can't find 2-piece discs go for a set of Tarox next.  :smiley:


Adequate performance for daily use? What would be the best 'fast road' / daily use pad for the NQSBBK ?

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 10, 2011, 10:46:07 pm
Would there be a noteable difference between the OEM textars & the RS4-2s?
 


when cold:  more squeeking

when on track:  massively more bite


If you can't find 2-piece discs go for a set of Tarox next.  :smiley:

Not necessarily 100% accurate, Pagid RS pads interface with the face of the disc in a fairly unique way, lots of success over on VAGOC with those who actually read the box...it in effect says dont put them on top of another compound and if you need to skim the disc.

You also need to bed them in correctly

If you do both they've actually got good road manners with a wide temp range so good from cold (even though they come with  dayglo leaflet that says TRACK USE ONLY!!!) JamieKip over thereis running them on the front with DS2500 on the rear and says they're OEM in terms of NVH
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on August 11, 2011, 10:34:16 am
Don't mistunderstand me. RS4-2 work fine from cold and so will do for
daily use.

Noise is often an individual problem. Even my stock pads were squeeking
sometimes and so my DS Performance do. Same on a friend's GTI with DSP.
Another frind's Octavia RS is even much more squeeking when driving in
the City. He has Tarox discs and Pagid RS4-2 pads.

That doesn't mean they make noises in every car. But in the past years I've
learned one thing: the sportier (heat resistant) a pad is the louder it will be.

 :drinking:


ps
RS4-2 will be my next set of pads - sh.... on noises  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Blade on August 11, 2011, 12:07:26 pm
"This kit in 5x100 would be PERFECT for a staged Polo GTI - its work in progress - if you order the calipers and a fitting kit with a deposit I'll get cracked on and get it finished, the TTRS boys are screaming for development work at the moment and the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil unfortunately."


Dave, i,ve sent you a pm regarding my interest in this kit, thanks

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on August 11, 2011, 01:17:54 pm
I would be really interested in a group buy on this.

Unfortunately i dont think im clued up enough to run the GB.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 23, 2011, 06:20:03 pm

So how many people are now running NQS BBK?

What are the roundup of opinions?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on August 23, 2011, 07:59:18 pm
Whats your opinion? By the fact you are not blowing smoke up the 4 pots, i take it that they are "OK"  :popcornsoda:

Rich
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 23, 2011, 08:10:24 pm

I fitted them on a budget so Dave helped me out with some used OEM Porsche pads (Textar)

I also came from the stopping power of the 345mm setup.

There has been a noticeable improvement in handling due to the sheer weight loss.
I think with J hooks, new pads and a fluid change I would see further improvement in stoppon power.

I am the only person whos gone from the S3 / Cupra / R32 setup?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: SteveP on August 23, 2011, 08:14:26 pm
I ran both the NQSBBK and R32 stoppers on my Mk6 and would say once combined with the right pads the NQSBBK wins the fight for me, stopping power was slightly better and on track with the J hook discs they out lasted the R32 in terms of fading  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 23, 2011, 08:22:47 pm
I ran both the NQSBBK and R32 stoppers on my Mk6 and would say once combined with the right pads the NQSBBK wins the fight for me, stopping power was slightly better and on track with the J hook discs they out lasted the R32 in terms of fading  :happy2:

Makes me look forward to new pads & fluid, thanks Steve.

What would be your pad of choice for fast road?

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: SteveP on August 23, 2011, 08:23:33 pm
I believe the ones I ran aren't available any more (SBS Carbon Ceramics)  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on August 23, 2011, 08:24:36 pm
I have had about 6 track days with the current setup and I am really pleased.
The Pagid Orange will have to be replaced soon but I would say that's normal after 600 miles of track use.
For my car at least this is a great BBK.
With Pagid Orange, J Hooks, Motul 660, Hel brake lines I had absolutely no issues (hope I didn't speak too son). When ever I drive a normal Golf or let's say Civic I am amassed of how good my brakes are in comparison to these (in stopping power, feel, everything except price).

BTW, Dave, I would like to replace my Pagid Orange... what do you think is better value: Pagid Blue or Pagid Yellow (29)? Are the Yellow one worth the extra cash?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on August 23, 2011, 10:24:18 pm
I'd say for track the Pagid Yellow are worth a try, but if your're
happy with the Orange I'd stay with them.
For Mike the Pagid Blue (RS4-2) will be the better choice though.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 05:42:07 am
I'd say for track the Pagid Yellow are worth a try, but if your're
happy with the Orange I'd stay with them.
For Mike the Pagid Blue (RS4-2) will be the better choice though.

Cheers Bruce  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 24, 2011, 10:51:24 am
Please only fit Pagid RS pads on clean discs, they'll drive you mad otherwise. It says so on the side of the box...........
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:54:52 am
Please only fit Pagid RS pads on clean discs, they'll drive you mad otherwise. It says so on the side of the box...........

New discs or rub down with very light abrasive Dave?

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gobbleplease on August 24, 2011, 11:49:18 am
Im not sure about pad choice for the porker conversion although id imagine its pretty good for fast road id recommend performance friction carbon ceramics (maybe simelar to the ones stevie was mentioning), i had the on my m3 bbk and they were grate also the ds 2500 were pretty good too and very quiet although i thought they were a little messyer than normal
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 11:52:39 am

OEM Pagid are cheap as chips at ECP but would like something performance based to get the most out of the kit.


Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: alackofspeed on August 24, 2011, 11:57:56 am
Out of curiousity, what supplier are people using for the Rs4-2 pads? From a cursory look the pads command a hefty price premium, but perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places??
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 11:59:06 am

Havent shopped around for them yet.  Pads and Performance fluid is next months shopping list.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 24, 2011, 12:15:25 pm
Out of curiousity, what supplier are people using for the Rs4-2 pads? From a cursory look the pads command a hefty price premium, but perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places??

Ahhhhhermmmm......... :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
 :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on August 24, 2011, 12:16:43 pm
Dave, I've sent you an email  :happy2:.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 12:16:54 pm
Out of curiousity, what supplier are people using for the Rs4-2 pads? From a cursory look the pads command a hefty price premium, but perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places??

Ahhhhhermmmm......... :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
 :wink:


Ich mochte preis fur RS4-2 Bitte Hern Brown  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on August 24, 2011, 12:43:45 pm
Retail prices for the Pagid Pads are

RS4-4 Orange = £226
RS4-2 Blue= £226
RS14 Black £232

Those are delivered prices

For those enquiring you have PM's
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 24, 2011, 12:50:32 pm
 :happy2: Thank you!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: lamas on August 24, 2011, 08:32:30 pm
DaveB1970, does the NQS BBK suits ok with R32 rear brake setup (310mm ventilated)?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 26, 2011, 02:33:03 pm

I am looking at ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid DOT 4 fluid.  Does it only come in one specification?

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on August 26, 2011, 03:12:42 pm
Yes and no, Mike.

One technical spec, two colours (at least in the US).

In Germany there's just the blue fluid. In the US there's an amber Ate 'Super Blue
Racing' as well. The diffent colour helps to see if you swapped all the old fluid out.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on August 26, 2011, 04:54:16 pm
I need Ceramics for a 1000bhp RS4 :wink: any one help I think its running B7 RS4 calipers at the moment but needs C6 RS6 calipers and ceramic discs?

Sent Dave a message so hope he can help but this weapon is nearly finished down at Unit20

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on September 11, 2011, 02:58:04 pm
greetings everyone. i've only joined up to this forum for this thread!

(awaits the booing all around) i drive a 2006/55 A3 2.0T, and I'm very interested in this modification  :evilgrin:.

dave i've sent you an email about this kit

regards,

S.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on September 11, 2011, 03:35:34 pm
(awaits the booing all around) i drive a 2006/55 A3 2.0T, and I'm very interested in this modification  :evilgrin:.

One is available over here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,34115.0.html
Good luck!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 14, 2011, 05:28:35 pm

If it's of any use to anyone I'm going to buy some OEM Textar pads from Textar shop near my house.

Porsche Paderborn wanted 310€ without labour  :surprised: :scared: :fighting:  I'd get 19% discount off that, but still!  :surprised:

Textar near my house want 74,82€ + VAT Im seeing tommorow if they will give me 19% discount which will make them tax free

Wear sensors 16,55€ + VAT

Dunno how that compares to prices back home.  Plan on getting some RS4-2s off Dave payday or when 3rd party insurer pays out compensation from a recent motoring misshap  :fighting:

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 14, 2011, 06:58:42 pm
Full marks Mike, thats cheap for those pads.

Textar is porsche OEM, when you get the pads see if it says TEXTAR 4045 on the back....if they do then happy days you've just saved yourself about 200 quid
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 14, 2011, 07:06:36 pm
Full marks Mike, thats cheap for those pads.

Textar is porsche OEM, when you get the pads see if it says TEXTAR 4045 on the back....if they do then happy days you've just saved yourself about 200 quid

The ones at porsche parts counter said 4045 on the back of the pad as I asked are they Textar or Pagid, I will check on my way home from work with Textar that they are 4045.

Do you have the p/n?  When I said 2.7 Cayman it narrowed it down to the one price I quoted rather than the 6 possibilities he gave me to begin with lol.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 21, 2011, 11:10:02 pm
Yes and no, Mike.

One technical spec, two colours (at least in the US).

In Germany there's just the blue fluid. In the US there's an amber Ate 'Super Blue
Racing' as well. The diffent colour helps to see if you swapped all the old fluid out.

This is what I bought....

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMini_mods%2FFabia.jpg&hash=a8f123062893ab6025c42abfbaf3ca8112bdff5c)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on September 22, 2011, 11:05:18 am

So how many people are now running NQS BBK?

What are the roundup of opinions?

I've been running mine for about 20k miles now and can honestly say that it is about the best money I have spent on the car (and I've spent a lot!). If I could rewind the clock, I would do this ahead of any of the performance mods that I've done.  In fact, I was wondering if I should purchase another set in anticipation of getting a new version Octavia or MkVI GTI in the future!

I am running DS2500s on them which are good but the jump from Textar to them was only a slight advantage when compared to the jump in performance going from OEM to NQSBBK. Also got S3 rears that I bought from SteveP after refurb'ing them myself (never again!!) - despite being a slight improvement again, I am not sure that they were worth the pain that I put myself through  :ashamed:

I developed some brake shudder and have just refitted the J-hook discs after cleaning up the surface between the hub and the discs and rubbing down the discs in case there was deposits causing the judder...all good now...could just do with a clean!  :happy2:

Edit: I did a comprehensive 'how to' on fitting these over on Briskoda but would be happy to post here if there is interest.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wyzZA_2iLZ8/TnsF5FggX-I/AAAAAAAAAkU/JgHG0kmmF6w/s800/2011-09-22_10-53-52_54.jpg)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on September 22, 2011, 11:13:32 am
I would be interested in the how to fit Muckipup, who refurbed your front brakes?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on September 22, 2011, 11:21:21 am
I would be interested in the how to fit Muckipup, who refurbed your front brakes?

No probs, posted over in the 'How to' section:  http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35226.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35226.0.html)   :happy2:

DaveB refurb'ed my fronts and a darn fine job he did of it too - just wish they still looked as good as they did then!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on September 22, 2011, 11:41:08 am
cheers mate I hit the button  :notworthy:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on September 22, 2011, 04:11:38 pm
 :grin: muckipup before I bought my kit, I made a briskoda account just for your topic  :drinking:

After 8000 miles and about 600 miles on the track the Pagid Orange RS4-4 pads are almost done (I am using the JHook rotors). I will be replacing them with the exact same pad because I am thrilled with the current setup.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 22, 2011, 08:34:40 pm
Yes and no, Mike.

One technical spec, two colours (at least in the US).

In Germany there's just the blue fluid. In the US there's an amber Ate 'Super Blue
Racing' as well. The diffent colour helps to see if you swapped all the old fluid out.

This is what I bought....

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMini_mods%2FFabia.jpg&hash=a8f123062893ab6025c42abfbaf3ca8112bdff5c)

Ooops what I meant to post was...

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMaintenance_and_Technical%2Fbremjuice.jpg&hash=8feb61d0fbaa3265220834ff199b6ae30520284b)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on September 23, 2011, 11:32:14 am
:grin: muckipup before I bought my kit, I made a briskoda account just for your topic  :drinking:

After 8000 miles and about 600 miles on the track the Pagid Orange RS4-4 pads are almost done (I am using the JHook rotors). I will be replacing them with the exact same pad because I am thrilled with the current setup.

Glad to hear it Rex - would love to try these out with RS4-4 or RS4-2's but the budget is a bit tight at the moment!  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on September 23, 2011, 10:03:12 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMaintenance_and_Technical%2Fbremjuice.jpg&hash=8feb61d0fbaa3265220834ff199b6ae30520284b)


3 l, Mike ???   :jumping:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 23, 2011, 11:31:41 pm


Was rude not to at a decent price  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on September 24, 2011, 03:20:31 pm
Guys... one question...
My pads have from 4mm to 5mm of "friction material" on them... I saw that the OEM Porsche pads have the wear indicator at approximately 5mm from the back of the plate.
My question is: will the worn pads (4-5mm still remaining) dissipate the heat like the brand new ones? I will shortly have a new set of pads but I am wondering if I can use the worn ones for the next week's track day and replace them after that. The reasons why I want to use the worn ones are: 1. I need to bed in the new pads and time is limited and 2. it is more cost effective to use all the pad.
Cheers!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on September 24, 2011, 06:06:55 pm
I'd give it a try. But take some new pads with you.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on September 25, 2011, 07:42:43 pm
bought this kit off Dave. thoroughly nice bloke, and very knowledgable  :happy2:. i'm also glad it's a pilot who is looking after my braking lol. look forward to fitting them and giving my car a good thrashing!

cheers again Dave!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on September 27, 2011, 07:35:33 pm
I'd give it a try. But take some new pads with you.

I will give it a try.

Here are the new/old Pagid Orange RS4-4 pads for the nqsbbk:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P9277153.jpg&hash=7f763e780833313cb51bb4f33acee53de46bf245)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P9277166.jpg&hash=5a9e96be9e1d617bce3c11d9735ee485553d661a)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on September 28, 2011, 02:36:39 pm
just out of interest guys, what's the biggest disc diameter i can fit on this kit, and which discs would people recommend?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 03, 2011, 05:33:53 pm

I feel I haven't added any propper input since fitting my NQS BBK....

Since Fitting (with used OEM Textar pads, without pad dampers & without running 2L of fresh fluid through) I have now covered around 3k miles.

At this stage they are feeling really really good!  When warmed up especially!

I must admit at first from high speed I was quite worried about the numb / wooden feel and felt it wasn't effectively shaving off speed.  But they definately seem to have improved.

I have Rs4-2 pads in the pipe line, I have 3L of ATE superblue racing in the cellar and when the discs get worn will be plunging for J-Hooked 312s.
When funds allow I will get a set of 2 piece discs for track days.  I can get OEM Porsche pads for 75€ so will porbably use those for the road...

In hind sight, if they do infact make a difference I would definately use the pad dampers as at this stage the squeeling is driving the wife nuts!  :signLOL:

Service & after care from Dave as anyone else who has dealt with him will confirm is excellent and he has been very accomodating given my location (Germany) and shoestring budget recently!  I would say you can deal with confidence when ordering kits / bits from Dave  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on October 03, 2011, 06:40:36 pm



In hind sight, if they do infact make a difference I would definately use the pad dampers as at this stage the squeeling is driving the wife nuts!  :signLOL:



I had to go that way too. The anti-squeal shims work a treat for me though
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 03, 2011, 06:42:45 pm

Did you originally not bother with them? 

Where did you source yours from? How much etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on October 03, 2011, 06:57:57 pm
Mike

The squealing will be used pads over used discs which previously had a different compound on them

Oh and no pad dampeners won't help all the above.

They're on .......you can tidy things up going forward, I'd fit new discs and pads together ...best way
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 03, 2011, 06:59:39 pm
Mike

The squealing will be used pads over used discs which previously had a different compound on them

Oh and no pad dampeners won't help all the above.

They're on .......you can tidy things up going forward, I'd fit new discs and pads together ...best way

Dave,  The discs were brand new?

What, if any noteable benefit do the dampeners give?

 :drinking:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on October 03, 2011, 08:00:19 pm
Are these the right part numbers for the textar pads?  21942 TEXTAR T4045?  Are you still looking at getting some mike?

Full marks Mike, thats cheap for those pads.

Textar is porsche OEM, when you get the pads see if it says TEXTAR 4045 on the back....if they do then happy days you've just saved yourself about 200 quid

The ones at porsche parts counter said 4045 on the back of the pad as I asked are they Textar or Pagid, I will check on my way home from work with Textar that they are 4045.

Do you have the p/n?  When I said 2.7 Cayman it narrowed it down to the one price I quoted rather than the 6 possibilities he gave me to begin with lol.


Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 03, 2011, 08:06:10 pm

I will be getting some just before we move back to Uk I think. 101 commitments atm  :scared:
If you want me to pick you some up I'd be happy to Rich  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 03, 2011, 08:43:57 pm
Dave been looking at the boxster calipers on eBay and theres some cheap ones at the moment but they all seam to be a self coloured black rather then the red?? Am I looking at the right ones? Ive just bought new disks for the front but wondered if you could help in the caliper department?

Cheers

Darren   
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on October 03, 2011, 08:49:26 pm
Hi Darren, the boxster and cayman calipers that they need to fit are black anodised not red, its only refurbing them that makes them red, so you should be looking at the right ones!   :happy2:

Think the part numbers are in the first few pages for the calipers and makeing sure that you get the right type  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 03, 2011, 08:56:06 pm
Cheers Rich will get them bought

Dave do you still have any fitting kits if so can you pm me a price and also a price for refunkadising them please nice and shiney stoppers to go with that biggggg turbo of mine :grin:

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: robdf2 on October 03, 2011, 09:14:54 pm
Mike ,
How do you find this set up over the standard Cupra calipers?
do you not miss the bigger disc set up?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 03, 2011, 09:25:54 pm
To look at admittedly I do miss the 345's under The wheel. 

The handling is noticeably improved over the heavy Cupra setup.

The performance is getting better as they get more use.  I expect they could improve even more when I upgrade fluid pads and discs.

I would have liked the VWR setup to improve aesthetics (disc size) and was also a setup with proven use but the NQS BBK wins on affordability and is so far doing a great job  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on October 05, 2011, 09:05:57 am
Hi guys,

I am thinking of changing my track wheels and I would like to buy Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 7.5 x 17 ET 45.
Does anybody know if this wheels fits the nqsbbk without the use of spacers? Please note than the wheel I want to buy is only 7,5 inches wide and 17 inches in diameter (opposed to the 8x18 ET45 rim used by many over here).

Thanks  :drinking:!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on October 05, 2011, 10:11:24 am
the width and offset shouldn't be a problem, dave's seen my car and thinks they'll fit behind my 18x7.5J ET54 Pescaras. but will they fit behind 17s? only one way to find out  :P
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on October 05, 2011, 11:36:50 am
There are no issues to fit under 17 inches. They even fit under 16!!
The width and offset are not problematic, but the problem is the inner wheel clearance.
So guys, do they fit or not?

Can some if you tell me the distance from the caliper (where the caliper is closest to the hub) to the rim spokes for 8x18 ET45 TD Pro Race 1.2?
This is the gap I am interested in:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP3136358-1.jpg&hash=7c9ffa7a2f796d45fa440bc6b51d5a9d50802e99)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FA06_P6216701-1.jpg&hash=ad3fd075ac2da3989adc6de7472a8043e7b8694b)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 05, 2011, 08:44:18 pm
Well the calipers are ordered and should be here tomorrow, lets see how they cope with with a bit heavier front end?? Althought i have the S3 hubs and wishbones so lighter already?

Bring on the fitting kit, then maybe some track action baby see what this soot chucker can do.

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 05, 2011, 08:50:33 pm
Mike

The squealing will be used pads over used discs which previously had a different compound on them

Oh and no pad dampeners won't help all the above.

They're on .......you can tidy things up going forward, I'd fit new discs and pads together ...best way

Dave,  The discs were brand new?

What, if any noteable benefit do the dampeners give?

 :drinking:

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on October 05, 2011, 09:02:10 pm
Well the calipers are ordered and should be here tomorrow, lets see how they cope with with a bit heavier front end?? Althought i have the S3 hubs and wishbones so lighter already?

Bring on the fitting kit, then maybe some track action baby see what this soot chucker can do.

Darren

Glad you told me you've got the S3 hubs....different bracket altogether!!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on October 06, 2011, 12:16:32 pm

Did you originally not bother with them?  

Where did you source yours from? How much etc?

Thanks

No, I skipped on them initially. I got them from Eurocarparts iirc. I think they were about 12 notes each.

I hear DaveB's point. However, I was running new discs and pads and still got a low speed squeel when braking. The antisqueel shims and a bit of Ceratec sorted everything out. Copper grease rots the heck out of Brembo seals as Dave has mentioned in the original NQS BBK thread.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 06, 2011, 12:55:34 pm

Did you originally not bother with them?  

Where did you source yours from? How much etc?

Thanks

No, I skipped on them initially. I got them from Eurocarparts iirc. I think they were about 12 notes each.

I hear DaveB's point. However, I was running new discs and pads and still got a low speed squeel when braking. The antisqueel shims and a bit of Ceratec sorted everything out. Copper grease rots the heck out of Brembo seals as Dave has mentioned in the original NQS BBK thread.

I thought they were more like £50?

Also what is Ceratec?

Thanks for the heads up on copper slip, all the times I've read te NQS thread & I wouldn't have remembered.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on October 06, 2011, 01:11:47 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2Fimages%2FB005J4CSD4%2Fref%3Ddp_image_0%3Fie%3DUTF8%26amp%3Bn%3D78191031%26amp%3Bs%3Dautomotive&hash=92a4f2a502d8dc15294106173a016ea27ca20369)

http://www.amazon.de/Original-Pagid-CeraTec-metallfreier-Dauerschmierstoff/dp/B005J4CSD4
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 06, 2011, 01:29:01 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2Fimages%2FB005J4CSD4%2Fref%3Ddp_image_0%3Fie%3DUTF8%26amp%3Bn%3D78191031%26amp%3Bs%3Dautomotive&hash=92a4f2a502d8dc15294106173a016ea27ca20369)

http://www.amazon.de/Original-Pagid-CeraTec-metallfreier-Dauerschmierstoff/dp/B005J4CSD4

Oh is it the gel like equivalent of copper grease?

I have some by Ate in the cellar, thanks Bruce

**thanks given  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 06, 2011, 02:26:53 pm
Well the calipers are ordered and should be here tomorrow, lets see how they cope with with a bit heavier front end?? Althought i have the S3 hubs and wishbones so lighter already?

Bring on the fitting kit, then maybe some track action baby see what this soot chucker can do.

Darren

Glad you told me you've got the S3 hubs....different bracket altogether!!!

Will that be a problem Dave or is it just a matter of fabing? hope Ive not caused any inconvenience? 

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on October 06, 2011, 02:30:01 pm
I think the adapter is made of a different material to avoid the steel fusing to the alloy S3 hubs or something along those lines so its same size and shape just a different material.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on October 06, 2011, 03:38:23 pm
I thought they were more like £50?

Yup but there are 4 needed for both calipers so 4 @ £12 and the £50 figure is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 06, 2011, 03:48:17 pm
I thought they were more like £50?

Yup but there are 4 needed for both calipers so 4 @ £12 and the £50 figure is pretty accurate.

Makes sense, it's been a long day lol.

Cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on October 06, 2011, 03:55:59 pm
The adapter for the S3 hub is different to the one for the GTI hub. The difference is 16mm, where the brakes are fitted.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on October 06, 2011, 04:20:56 pm
Mike, this aluminium oxide based paste is even thicker than copper grease,
even more high temperature resistant and prevents electrolytic corrosion
of brake and suspension components.
VW recommends only to use this kind of grease (like VW's own 'Optimol').
Fwik Porsche was the first company that has given a similar recommendation.

And yes, the S3 alloy hubs are much 'bulkier' than the steel hubs. So longer
bolts and a different shaped mounting bracket are required.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_6888_0_31_1317914153_2452.jpg&hash=ae06871ad61363c52f6983a15d89f7b40c038c2c)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 06, 2011, 05:25:18 pm
Wow I didn't realise the difference was that big :surprised: the steel ones are massively heavier but so much smaller :scared:

Will wait for the brake god to sort them out then cheers for the input from every one, hopefully we'll see what the difference is cant wait :jumpmove:.

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 08, 2011, 12:24:21 pm
Hi guys just want to add that any body looking for calipers then check this company out its a high performance breakers yard Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus and TVR :happy2:

http://www.douglasvalley.co.uk/ (http://www.douglasvalley.co.uk/)

On eBay they go by the name of SteveStrange007 £200 for Boxster calipers all day long and have a few sets in at the moment.

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on October 13, 2011, 03:34:41 pm
Right Dave asked me to put these pics up has he wanted to show how the bridge pipe was transfered across between calipers.

First one is of a nice caliper built up with a newly spliced brake warning loom notice the proper VW plug

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This is a passenger side caliper with the bridge pipe at the bottom and the bleed nipples at the top and also the leading smaller piston, the bridge pipe WILL NOT just swap from top to bottom it needs to be swapped from the left caliper to the right caliper and top to bottom its the way the pipe bends.

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I hope that helps any one fitting this excellent kit :happy2:

Dave I need a new small piston seal I managed to catch it while grinding the pegs down :confused:

Cheers

Darren

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: perky85 on November 12, 2011, 11:17:51 pm
Are the Mk1 Leon Cupra R front calipers not the same as these porsche ones?

If not, what are the differences?

Obviously Leon calipers are still readily available, as are discs & pads at reasonable prices aswell

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 13, 2011, 03:29:45 am
They are similar in size and both 4 pot.
The Porsche calipers are monobloc design, I guess the Seat Brembos aren't.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on November 13, 2011, 12:19:41 pm
Right Dave asked me to put these pics up has he wanted to show how the bridge pipe was transfered across between calipers.

First one is of a nice caliper built up with a newly spliced brake warning loom notice the proper VW plug

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This is a passenger side caliper with the bridge pipe at the bottom and the bleed nipples at the top and also the leading smaller piston, the bridge pipe WILL NOT just swap from top to bottom it needs to be swapped from the left caliper to the right caliper and top to bottom its the way the pipe bends.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050007.jpg&hash=3f74808599c1d2fc73676aa163a24e8946989c0d)
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I hope that helps any one fitting this excellent kit :happy2:

Dave I need a new small piston seal I managed to catch it while grinding the pegs down :confused:

Cheers

Darren



thanks for this, Im awaiting delivery of this kit for my VRS and this will come in handy!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on November 13, 2011, 12:36:42 pm
I hope not there mine :grin:

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 13, 2011, 03:27:18 pm
Do only the orig. Porsche pads have this brake warning sensor
or are there any track proven aftermarket pads with this?

I thought of fitting a separate BMW style sensor to Pagid RS,
PFC or Endless pad. Seemed to me the easiest way.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 13, 2011, 03:29:52 pm
 
Dave provided me with porshe pads with wear sensors but my car doesn't appear to have the loom  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 13, 2011, 03:56:48 pm
Makes me wonder. No oil sensor, no brake wear sensor.
Mike, did you buy a racing kit car?  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 13, 2011, 04:23:00 pm
Makes me wonder. No oil sensor, no brake wear sensor.
Mike, did you buy a racing kit car?  :evilgrin:

 :evilgrin:

Surely has oil press sensor??   :confused:

You mean temp sensor? Fitting one for polar unit :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 13, 2011, 04:41:41 pm
Right, I remember you wrote about that some months ago.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on November 14, 2011, 10:18:11 am
As far as I know NO true racing pad has wear sensor.
And as a personal opinion, I don't think a wear sensor is needed since you can easily see how much of the pad is still there.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 14, 2011, 02:07:26 pm
No doubt, Rex. But if you don't have any sensor you need
to delete it via VCDS. I don't like to have any burning lights.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on November 14, 2011, 03:25:35 pm
No doubt, Rex. But if you don't have any sensor you need
to delete it via VCDS. I don't like to have any burning lights.

Or use an old sensor wire and short it.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 14, 2011, 03:30:48 pm

Can anybody tell me the cost of;

312mm j hooked discs

Or

312mm drilled discs

Feel it may be daft to put the pagid blues on std discs?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 14, 2011, 04:04:09 pm
If the stock discs are still fine I would stay with them.  :wink:

If you need new discs and want to drive on track some heat treated
Tarox would be a good choice. Or wait for the two-piece 312 mm discs
DaveB has told about.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 14, 2011, 04:07:20 pm

Is it not best practice though to change the discs and pads together?

Do you have a link to the Tarox

I would really love the 2 piece option but don't think funds will allow
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 14, 2011, 04:44:08 pm
http://en.tarox.com/

http://www.e-parts.co.uk/product.asp?catalog=&productid=130724&ve=V491200&manu=51

http://www.taroxbrakes.de/tl_files/content/news/BrakeTest2.pdf
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2011, 04:53:52 pm
Grooved/Js don't do much for cooling - more for pad sweeping... which isn't much cop when they're munching the pads on the motorway.

That said, ATE powerdiscs are cheapish and very good, never seen one crack.  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 14, 2011, 05:16:20 pm
Right, Tony. Ate PowerDisc offer great value for money.
I'm sure the Tarox' are even better though.

It doesn't make a huge difference if you decide for Zero,
SJ, G88 or F2000. They are all heat treated and made
from the same casting.

Mike, remember all grooved discs will cause some noise
(hum) when decelerating from high speed.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 14, 2011, 05:59:42 pm
Right, Tony. Ate PowerDisc offer great value for money.
I'm sure the Tarox' are even better though.

It doesn't make a huge difference if you decide for Zero,
SJ, G88 or F2000. They are all heat treated and made
from the same casting.

Mike, remember all grooved discs will cause some noise
(hum) when decelerating from high speed.

Noise doesn't bother me I just want a good balance between discs that won't eat my pads if used daily and something that will perform on the odd track day.

I should get some more oem Porsche  textar pads and oem gti discs for street and save the pagid for track days with some Tarox discs :)

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2011, 09:00:57 pm
I've had G88s on the old MKIV, they do indeed take some hammering - they used to race through pads though. I guess you have to just balance for your needs.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on November 14, 2011, 09:23:23 pm
In had g88 and tarox strada pads on my old car and I would say the wear was almost like OEM stuff. Maybe the Tarox pads are slightly harder compound?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on November 15, 2011, 07:14:06 am
Why are the plentiful front 996 model calipers not advised for this conversion. They look identical to the 987 ones but are easier to come by?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 15, 2011, 09:46:55 am
996 Caliper is wider, same piston sizes as the boxster caliper. The disc thickness is also 28mm and there not a suitable disc from VAG that suits.

That said I've used the 996 caliper on the mk4 on another disc (330mm) and also on the 6r polo

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 15, 2011, 02:04:20 pm
Boxster calipers are rel. cheap even when purchased new from Porsche.
I rate the NQSBBK as the very best value of all brake conversions.

 :happy2:

Guess there are even two piece discs from Tarox and AP for an upgrade
later if you feel a need.

The only downside is ''TÜV'' in Germany. It's always the same . . .   :jumping:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on November 15, 2011, 04:01:52 pm
Tarox are making 2 piece 312x25 (G88, F2000, etc) discs but they are 600 EURO/pair. Quite expensive if you ask me...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 15, 2011, 04:03:00 pm
Tarox are making 2 piece 312x25 (G88, F2000, etc) discs but they are 600 EURO/pair. Quite expensive if you ask me...

What would you reckon their life expectancy like with fast road with a few track days in the summer?

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on November 15, 2011, 04:30:19 pm
I can only guess... But my guess is that they should be good for 2+ years. I am thinking they should be similar with my J hooks that have 1 year with some track days with minimal wear.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on November 15, 2011, 05:59:35 pm
just out of interest Mike did you go from the OEM 345mm to the 312mm NQS? how did they compare?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 15, 2011, 06:03:09 pm
just out of interest Mike did you go from the OEM 345mm to the 312mm NQS? how did they compare?

I posted somewhere on this thread.

The improvement in handling was great due to the weight saved.

Now they're well bedded in they're brilliant :)

I can't wait to upgrade discs / pads and fluid soon :( will report the difference.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on November 15, 2011, 06:12:19 pm
I just need my fitting kit so I can feel the difference :happy2:

I think Dave is silly busy and I don't like to pester him so ill wait till he get to me, I'm in rush this side of xmas now.

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on November 15, 2011, 06:22:06 pm
A friend of mine is selling some 996 calipers...

996-351-425 | 426

I gather these ar from a boxster S.

Will these not fit?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 15, 2011, 06:54:33 pm
A few posts before yours Dave has written this:

996 Caliper is wider, same piston sizes as the boxster caliper. The disc thickness is also 28mm and there not a suitable disc from VAG that suits.

That said I've used the 996 caliper on the mk4 on another disc (330mm) and also on the 6r polo
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on November 15, 2011, 07:02:37 pm
A few posts before yours Dave has written this:

996 Caliper is wider, same piston sizes as the boxster caliper. The disc thickness is also 28mm and there not a suitable disc from VAG that suits.

That said I've used the 996 caliper on the mk4 on another disc (330mm) and also on the 6r polo

AH balls... I read through 28 pages and forgot to read the last one properly! lol

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on November 15, 2011, 08:02:44 pm
Reason I asked is that I had 996 on my mk2 with Seat 305s but they are indeed 28mm thk.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 15, 2011, 08:14:09 pm
And 4x100


Guys if you have a good old read back to the very begining the whole point of this was 5-7 laps of Oulton park without going off the side, I remember Joe (Joes GTI) getting them hot after a blat locally here in the North West, the caliper was fouling on the disc and making a quite dramatic noise...this was the day before the ring trip and his old 312 OEM's were absolutely shagged to say the least....

Anyway the pad pegs were ground back which solved it easily but the discs were marked...anyway long story short I was apologetic and wanted to get them skimmed thats when i realised it was cheaper to replace them with aftermarket discs than skim them.....thats what this kit is all about.... cheap consumables available within 5 miles of your house on a Saturday morning....

To be honest I've sort of abandoned the 2piece 315mm AP Racing, the discs are not a high volume item and cost the same as the 362x32 fully floating rotors I use on the R8 kit...

For those tracking on a budget I'd purchase a spare set of 312 discs put some money into some track only metallic pads which need a dedicated disc in reality and simply use them for track days and swap them back after I got back before putting my fast road setup back in

Its more of a clubman setup than outright performance masterpiece (Got those they cost £2k!) that said it will hold its own for most of us
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on November 15, 2011, 10:12:14 pm
Dave do you do a bracket for 996, or 996tt over merc 330s?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 15, 2011, 11:12:24 pm
Yes I do, thats the one that got copied on ebay, I would have been a little more pi$$ed off about it other than the fact that it worked from an engineering point of view but needed a 14mm spacer over a pescara. Was for a AMG SLK iirc

Same company also copied a bracket I did for a Mk4   :fighting: :fighting:

Quality wasn't great either one of the muppets on the Mk4 forum tried sending them to me saying they were mine and didnt fit....one of the most enjoyabe emails Ive ever written was enlightning the guy that they were ebay tat and not mine.

The piston sizes and position are exactly the same on the 996 caliper as they are on the 986...in fact the pad dampeners that insert into the pistons to keep the pads quiet are the same part number on calipers, theres no advantage to go for the bigger caliper on a Mk5 yes on a Mk4, no on a Mk5.

Better prospect would be the 996 Turbo/997S 4 pot onto the 350 Mercedes Disc, I use that disc a lot as it also works well with the Cayenne 6 Pot caliper which now Ive found an uprated master cylinder has a new lease of life with a great pedal now. Ive a carrier for S3 Hubs as well as GTI ones so its a good kit

DomT has that setup on his eddy (was QD's) and Teff is running them on his 550BHP Golf R - very optimal piston sizes for the not great Mk5 MC

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on November 16, 2011, 10:21:49 am
Sorry to be dumb.... but im just thinking about these 996 calipers still and the fact they are wider and 'need' a wider disc.

If you have to trim a bit off the peg on the boxster caliper to fit the slightly wider GTI disc anyway then surely the 996 calipers that are already wider would accommodate the GTI disc no problem...

... or is it that the pads would rattle around a bit because there would be a gap between them and the disc?

Just trying to understand the logics of it all.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 16, 2011, 11:06:21 am
Its a trade off between max piston travel as well, dont want a piston popping out

If you put the 986 caliper on a 28mm wide disc you wouldnt get the pads in!

You'll also need an extra 5mm spacer with the 996 caliper.

The 986 caliper maxes out at 320mm, the 996 at 330mm disc wise.

The boxster caliper just about ticks every box, using the bigger caliper would be a compromise really
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 16, 2011, 02:57:28 pm
From theory with the 996 calipers + stock GTI disc you'd have to use
at least some stainless heat shield plates on the pads (2 mm or so)
and take care not to wear the pads full down.

But I wouldn't take any risks in case of brakes. I'd listen to Dave.
Sell the 996 calipers on ebay and get some 986 calipers + brackets
from Dave. Believe me, it's a better feeling to know you have a brake
that's prooved.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on November 16, 2011, 03:44:09 pm
Its a trade off between max piston travel as well, dont want a piston popping out

If you put the 986 caliper on a 28mm wide disc you wouldnt get the pads in!

You'll also need an extra 5mm spacer with the 996 caliper.

The 986 caliper maxes out at 320mm, the 996 at 330mm disc wise.

The boxster caliper just about ticks every box, using the bigger caliper would be a compromise really

Thanks... and 'the bruce'. Im not trying to disprove you or be difficult... i just always like to know why :)

I will keep my eyes open for a good set of boxster calipers I think.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on November 16, 2011, 07:45:16 pm
So Dave you do a mount for a 'big' 997/996T 4 pot on a mk5 (gti and s3 hub) over Merc 350mm or 330mm?

And what 6 pot have you played with - 17z or 18z? and which do you prefer?

I understand they are hydraulically different aswell as physically - 17z being spaced for 330mm, the 18z for 350mm.

I hear some saying they are massive overkill/ruin the brake balance/pedal feel/handling due ti heavy disc....

I would like to 'fill' my wheels with brakes as it looks cool (sorry - childish I know!)m but I dont want to ruin handling and brake balance.

Does the 6 pot mount on the inside of the hub - both gti and ally S3 - so as not to be effected by the thicker ally casting?

Thanks very much
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on November 18, 2011, 11:20:40 am
Hi Dave,

Did you get my PM?

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 07:45:42 pm

Can anyone tell me how much a pair of J hooked 312s are please?  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 10:12:57 pm

Can anyone tell me how much a pair of J hooked 312s are please?  :happy2:

 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2011, 10:17:34 pm

Can anyone tell me how much a pair of J hooked 312s are please?  :happy2:

 :popcornsoda:

I thought all the J hook stuff was done to standard disks... i.e not for sale except from people like dave and others with CNC equipment
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 10:19:13 pm

Can anyone tell me how much a pair of J hooked 312s are please?  :happy2:

 :popcornsoda:

I thought all the J hook stuff was done to standard disks... i.e not for sale except from people like dave and others with CNC equipment

So £70 for oem discs + £xx for machining.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2011, 10:21:28 pm

Can anyone tell me how much a pair of J hooked 312s are please?  :happy2:

 :popcornsoda:

I thought all the J hook stuff was done to standard disks... i.e not for sale except from people like dave and others with CNC equipment

So £70 for oem discs + £xx for machining.

I suppose so yeah.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 11:47:57 pm
What about Rex? Did you ask him yet?



ps: Mike, did you have spottet the new EBC 'BLADE'?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on November 19, 2011, 11:41:52 am
About the J hooks, ask Dave for a price.
Mine were made by Dave. They are plain 312x25 Brembo discs with custom 'J's. Really good discs the only downside is that they are a little bit noisy (it doesn't bother me though).

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fpoza4-1.jpg&hash=2d6efd284d65898b63b2b348474bbe4e16948a06)

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 19, 2011, 11:46:37 am
About the J hooks, ask Dave for a price.
Mine were made by Dave. They are plain 312x25 Brembo discs with custom 'J's. Really good discs the only downside is that they are a little bit noisy (it doesn't bother me though).

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fpoza4-1.jpg&hash=2d6efd284d65898b63b2b348474bbe4e16948a06)

Buying a pair on payday  :happy2:  Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on November 19, 2011, 11:50:14 am
Did dave also machine the insde of the disc away as the porsche caliper doesn't sweep that bit and then did he paint them?

Looks a good job.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 19, 2011, 11:51:55 am
Did dave also machine the insde of the disc away as the porsche caliper doesn't sweep that bit and then did he paint them?

Looks a good job.

The ones I am ordering will have the unswept area machined   :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on November 19, 2011, 09:52:38 pm
Did dave also machine the insde of the disc away as the porsche caliper doesn't sweep that bit and then did he paint them?

Looks a good job.

Yes he does. And yes, it is a good job.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan_the_v8man on November 29, 2011, 03:30:37 pm
daft question, but are these available to buy now?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on November 29, 2011, 04:00:50 pm
daft question, but are these available to buy now?

May be worth dropping a PM to Dave (DaveB1970) who has supplied these to ask. I may join you as, although I have set on the car at the moment, I wouldn't mind a spare set.

PS - does anyone know if there is a left / right orientation to these discs or does it not make any difference? I put mine on where the curve of the J faced sort of forward and the tail of the J trailed thinking that is how dust/water would be more efficiently ejected towards the outside of the disc and out. I kinda made this rationalle up in my own head and I have seen others where the disc was on the other wheel and the orientation was therefore reversed.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on November 29, 2011, 06:03:32 pm
i bought one about 3 months ago, so yes they're still available.

DaveB is notoriously difficult to find lately however!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on November 29, 2011, 08:00:34 pm
Still here, Friday night knutsford services?

Got a mind melting amount on at the mo, might be moving to Pakistan.......

And no I'm not joking
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on November 29, 2011, 08:34:39 pm
 :sad1: :sad: No you cant leave us

Darren
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on November 29, 2011, 09:46:56 pm
Still here, Friday night knutsford services?

Got a mind melting amount on at the mo, might be moving to Pakistan.......

And no I'm not joking

Yeah mate you've been vetoed. Not allowed to move!

Any chance you could post them out to me? Quite a few on calls this week fella.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Russ_leeds on November 29, 2011, 10:03:48 pm
hi dave have you seen my pm re the fitting kit?
cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: pjh1999 on December 05, 2011, 09:18:02 pm
Hi, I have read all of this post and need a little advice.
I have a full set of front and rear r32 brakes offered to me at 400. I am now wondering if I would be better off just going with the porsche option fronts only. I have a stage 1 remap, induction kit and Milltek exhaust and don't plan on going to stage 2. I am afraid the r32 brakes will add too much weight and I don't need all that stopping power.
I don't do track days so no real heavy braking but would like an improvment on stock. Would the 4 pot calipers make much of an improvement on the stock 312mm discs?

Can I get some help in making a decision, would appreciate feedback.
thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: wigit on December 05, 2011, 09:26:34 pm
I don't do track days so no real heavy braking but would like an improvment on stock. Would the 4 pot calipers make much of an improvement on the stock 312mm discs?

i took mine off the rocco last week and cannot believe the difference compared to stock, you get a great pedal with these and really progressive stopping  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: pjh1999 on December 06, 2011, 02:20:31 pm
Did you use 312mm discs with boxer calipers or boxer s with 330mm discs? Just trying to decide if 312mm would be ok and save on cost a little?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 06, 2011, 10:37:34 pm
Not quite so big = 312 mm !!

330 mm = BBK  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on December 14, 2011, 11:55:09 pm
just took delivery of my machined drilled discs from DaveB for my NQS. words cannot describe the awesome. i cannot WAIT to get them fitted  :party:

just as an example of the attention to detail:

the discs are drilled in a design that's symmetrical on both sides of the car! i'd never thought to ask him of this but secretly deep down it would have bothered me if they weren't but this man has clearly thought of everything!

DaveB i salute you  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Beddie on December 15, 2011, 12:15:41 am
DaveB i salute you  :happy2:

He's not in my phone under 'Professor Friction' for nothing you know...  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 12:27:38 am

Received my J hooked 312s today too.

Fitting tomo with pagid blues  :party:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on December 15, 2011, 12:46:25 am
DaveB i salute you  :happy2:

He's not in my phone under 'Professor Friction' for nothing you know...  :grin: :grin:

That's the name he should trade under
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 15, 2011, 01:06:58 am

Received my J hooked 312s today too.

Fitting tomo with pagid blues  :party:


You won't regret it.  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 01:17:53 am

Received my J hooked 312s today too.

Fitting tomo with pagid blues  :party:


You won't regret it.  :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F9ebd047f.jpg&hash=2fb6f31e655c46fa10b63ceb9d7dbfb2f73156c2)

With pagid blue and ate super blue racing.

Just need to get to the bottom of a seaping caliper, j hooked S3 rears going on too  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 15, 2011, 01:22:29 am
With pagid blue and ate super blue racing.

Plenty of it !!  :smiley:


.... j hooked S3 rears going on too  :smiley:

Aren't TFSI-286x12s lighter?  :indifferent:


They look way more stunning than my Tarox !!  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 01:24:28 am
With pagid blue and ate super blue racing.

Plenty of it !!  :smiley:


.... j hooked S3 rears going on too  :smiley:

Aren't TFSI-286x12s lighter?  :indifferent:



I was under the impression the S3 setup is a slight improvement.  Not sure on weight
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 15, 2011, 01:41:07 am
Painted my discs as well:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golf5gti.com%2Fupload%2Favatars%2Futool_f_1323913034_3041.jpg&hash=b87bb8bee1764d7b44ee70fdb7b391f537047315)

DupliColor SuperTherm 800°

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 08:08:39 am

Looks great Holger  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: kevinm on December 15, 2011, 11:02:28 am
I cant find a definate answer... does the NQS BBK fit behind pescaras without a spacer?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: vRS_Pagey on December 15, 2011, 11:09:52 am
just took delivery of my machined drilled discs from DaveB for my NQS. words cannot describe the awesome. i cannot WAIT to get them fitted  :party:

just as an example of the attention to detail:

the discs are drilled in a design that's symmetrical on both sides of the car! i'd never thought to ask him of this but secretly deep down it would have bothered me if they weren't but this man has clearly thought of everything!

DaveB i salute you  :happy2:

Pictures...... :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 11:33:27 am
I cant find a definate answer... does the NQS BBK fit behind pescaras without a spacer?

Go S3 Brakes and offset the weight with my Cupra arms  :P
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on December 15, 2011, 12:19:33 pm
You'll love the set up, Mike. If I could start the modding thing all over again, knowing what I know now, I would do this first!  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on December 15, 2011, 09:50:35 pm
just took delivery of my machined drilled discs from DaveB for my NQS. words cannot describe the awesome. i cannot WAIT to get them fitted  :party:

just as an example of the attention to detail:

the discs are drilled in a design that's symmetrical on both sides of the car! i'd never thought to ask him of this but secretly deep down it would have bothered me if they weren't but this man has clearly thought of everything!

DaveB i salute you  :happy2:

Pictures...... :popcornsoda:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fyy209%2Fsub39h%2FIMG_2046.jpg&hash=de8e68320a5c2157a6ad0134ad190eda394f1156)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: kevinm on December 15, 2011, 11:10:07 pm
I cant find a definate answer... does the NQS BBK fit behind pescaras without a spacer?

Go S3 Brakes and offset the weight with my Cupra arms  :P

I might yet. Looking at my options brakes wise. I'm defo taking the wishbones though :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on December 17, 2011, 10:11:55 am
Received my fitting kit Yestertday  :xmaspresent:

Just got to wait for the calipers to arrive now  :xmassmiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on December 21, 2011, 12:18:37 pm

@Mike - how you getting on with the Pagid Blues? My DS2500s on the NQSBBK haven't got much left on them.

Did you source yours from DaveB?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 21, 2011, 12:24:54 pm

@Mike - how you getting on with the Pagid Blues? My DS2500s on the NQSBBK haven't got much left on them.

Did you source yours from DaveB?
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From DaveB yes mate  :happy2:

Haven't fitted them yet took the wheels off the other day and it started pissing it down lol  :fighting:
Hopefully have time this week, will let you know Ben they're bedded in  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on December 21, 2011, 02:35:21 pm
Cheers Mike  :happy2:

There is nearly £100 premium on these even over the DS2500s so I'd be interested to hear your thoughts as I've never experienced Pagid Blues in my car or anyone I know. My DS2500s don't get much of a thrashing with my usual commute but even then they are well worn after less than a year (although I have the J-hooks too). No complaints though - they are worth it without any doubt !
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 21, 2011, 03:18:11 pm
For street use and some light track the DS2500 are pretty fine.
On track the RS4-2 are even better though.
Some prefer Pagid Blues on front and DS2500 on rear.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on December 22, 2011, 12:19:40 pm
For street use and some light track the DS2500 are pretty fine.
On track the RS4-2 are even better though.
Some prefer Pagid Blues on front and DS2500 on rear.

Cheers  :happy2: I don't track my car so may be better just saving the cash and sticking with the DS2500. If the Pagid Blues are more track orientated then I suspect that they may not be so great when cold but the DS2500 aren't bad when cold.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 22, 2011, 01:15:30 pm
No, the Pagid Blues bite good from cold, but yes, no mistake to stick with the DS2500
for fast road applications only.

I still run the fully road legal DS Performance and even these are great for street as well.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on December 22, 2011, 02:56:42 pm
For road use I would go with the DS2500 or OEM Brembo or OEM Pagid (911 uses Pagid, I saw it at Nurburgring).
I use Pagid Orange RS 4-4 on front and DS2500 in the back but my setup is more track oriented.

And one more thing I wanted to say on this topic. For me, when choosing the rim specs I had no information about the rim clearance for Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2.
So... when using 8x17 ET45 TD Pro Race 1.2 the clearance is huge.... Approximately 19mm. In my chase I chose the width of 8 inch because of the future tire choice and because I was afraid that there will not be enough clearance with 7.5 inch rims. So if anybody wants to buy 7.5 inch TD Pro Race 1.2 ET 45 (no matter what the diameter) don't worry about the brake clearance.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_DSC_0146.jpg&hash=5e81e3f2b8535ba45e8d1b9a048b4f6e3ee1d33b)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 30, 2011, 06:26:07 pm

The discs are your standard 312mm discs on your GTI/ED30 - the 2 piece rotors could be purchased from AP directly with me supplying the bells and bolts and would be 315mm with a 54mm swept area - still working on this.




Dave, any progress on this?

 :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 30, 2011, 06:29:36 pm

Complimented my NQS BBK with j hooked s3 rears. Added front j hooked rotors and pagid blue pads.

Going to bed in / set the pads and take them off an save them or the summers track days.  Only need oem discs and oem Porsche pads for daily theyre still very good.

Adding ate super blue fluid on Monday :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on December 30, 2011, 06:49:17 pm

Complimented my NQS BBK with j hooked s3 rears. Added front j hooked rotors and pagid blue pads.

Going to bed in / set the pads and take them off an save them or the summers track days.  Only need oem discs and oem Porsche pads for daily theyre still very good.

Adding ate super blue fluid on Monday :)

Wouldn't have thought there is any point in bedding in a set of pads and then removing them for use later... the profile of the disc will have changed by the time you need to use them.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 30, 2011, 06:52:54 pm
Yes, but the pads are already 'tempered' and if I understood Mike correctly
he will swap both rotors and pads for daily use.
So they match each other like when he bedded them in. Pads and discs have
to be marked of course.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on December 30, 2011, 06:53:30 pm
Yes, but the pads are already 'tempered' and if I understood Mike correctly
he will swap both rotors and pads for daily use.

Ahh ok if swapping pads and discs together that makes more sense.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 30, 2011, 07:21:02 pm
Yes, but the pads are already 'tempered' and if I understood Mike correctly
he will swap both rotors and pads for daily use.

Ahh ok if swapping pads and discs together that makes more sense.

That's the plan.  :happy2:  bed in the Pagid blues and jhooked rotors, take them off (as a set) and use OEM 312s and OEM Porsche pads for daily  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 30, 2011, 07:31:58 pm
How much are the Porsche pads?


Guess they come from Textar or Pagid.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 30, 2011, 08:42:21 pm
How much are the Porsche pads?


Guess they come from Textar or Pagid.


Direct from textar 70€ plus German VAT with my discount. Or about 300€ + from Porsche
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on December 30, 2011, 09:46:55 pm
  :jumping:
 :fighting:
 :stupid:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on January 01, 2012, 06:50:04 pm
Can i use standard GTI discs without having the unswept area machined? I guess this will just mean the unswept area will look a bit rusty and untidy.

I was going to buy some drilled discs with the unswept area removed from dave, but he seems very busy atm so may just get some standard GTI discs for the time being.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 01, 2012, 06:53:36 pm
Can i use standard GTI discs without having the unswept area machined? I guess this will just mean the unswept area will look a bit rusty and untidy.

I was going to buy some drilled discs with the unswept area removed from dave, but he seems very busy atm so may just get some standard GTI discs for the time being.

I ran that configuration with OEM Porsche pads and it performed fine.

Just the prevention of rust and saving of another 300gramms  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2012, 09:26:39 pm
Ben

Its certainly cheaper, the whole point of the NQSBBK was the 75% rule.....  which was to give 75% of the performance of the normal BBK's but saving 75% of the £2k kits, the process of mounting the brembo "raw" casting in the lathe to remove the 7mm to min thickness and then remove to a vertical miller to drill or J hookand then powder coat takes quite a bit of time, with the investment I've got now its easier to do things 15 at a time than what I used to do which was 3 or 4 at a time.

So..... £225-£250 for the proper job 312's sounds expensive even to me and Im selling them! That said you'd pay £160 for some OEM R32 discs

Not withstanding that if you've got 6 or 7 track days planned for the year plus a ring trip and you're the kind of chap that gets up at 5am on a summer sunday to go for a blat around your favourite roads in your stage 2/2+ eddie then I wouldnt be without them - seriously

Our drilling CNC Program ensures no hot spots which helps to prevent premature cracking in the drilled discs and the J Hooking isnt invasive...

Somebody was asking after the 2 piece 315mm option, its going to be a non starter down to rotor cost so heres the plan......

There is a single piece billet machined caliper in development, its going to be backward compatible with the Cayman caliper but will take the larger deeper pad from the 996 Carrera 2/4 this eliminates the requirement for disc area removal as the pad and disc now match in height.

The piston height will come down allowing a slimmer caliper that will work on all OEM wheels without any spacer at all, its also going to be very tighly cowled around the pistons to weight save and might have some aero on the back for cooling purposes in true touring car styleeee....

Best bit is being able to specify my own piston sizes to really ensure we get as much out of the Master Cylinder as possible, there is a MC upgrade available for the Mk5 but it aint cheap so its nice to be specific

The Cayman Caliper tops out on disc diameter at about 320mm the new caliper will go to 330mm and maybe 28mm wide enabling an affordable AP Racing 2 piece option on the discs.

Apart from all the tech stuff it will have brembo style dust seals and be able to use the Porsche Pad dampeners for good road manners

Lots of design work to do, found myself a Draughty, worst bit will be destroying a pair of calipers for measuring purposes
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: taff-turbo on January 01, 2012, 09:32:37 pm
@ daveb1970 plans sounds really promising   :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on January 01, 2012, 09:39:07 pm
I can do your drawings Dave...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 01, 2012, 09:41:14 pm

Bloody hell  :laugh:  sounds like 2012s winter upgrade  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 01, 2012, 10:25:53 pm
Somebody was asking after the 2 piece 315mm option, its going to be a non starter down to rotor cost so heres the plan......

Guess it's been me.  :smiley:


There is a single piece billet machined caliper in development, its going to be backward compatible with the Cayman caliper but will take the larger deeper pad from the 996 Carrera 2/4 this eliminates the requirement for disc area removal as the pad and disc now match in height.

The piston height will come down allowing a slimmer caliper that will work on all OEM wheels without any spacer at all, its also going to be very tighly cowled around the pistons to weight save and might have some aero on the back for cooling purposes in true touring car styleeee....

Best bit is being able to specify my own piston sizes to really ensure we get as much out of the Master Cylinder as possible, there is a MC upgrade available for the Mk5 but it aint cheap so its nice to be specific

The Cayman Caliper tops out on disc diameter at about 320mm the new caliper will go to 330mm and maybe 28mm wide enabling an affordable AP Racing 2 piece option on the discs.

Apart from all the tech stuff it will have brembo style dust seals and be able to use the Porsche Pad dampeners for good road manners

Lots of design work to do, found myself a Draughty, worst bit will be destroying a pair of calipers for measuring purposes

Stunning project !!  :happy2:

Much more expensive than a NQSBBK?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 05, 2012, 08:29:50 pm
Hi

I'm new here and don't know if this has been mentioned before, I've been through majority of the pages and can't see it being mentioned.

Why not use the 17z calipers of the front on the Porsche Cayenne, VW Tourag or Audi Q7?? There's plenty at breakers because most people are more interested in the 18z calipers.
18z calipers run 350mm rotors(fink you can pick these up for £380ish brand new from VW).
17z calipers run 330mm rotors (which are the same as the r32? don't know about the price brand new). I've been told this uses bigger pistons so is suppose to be better than the 18z unsure of this though.

No need for custom brackets, direct fit 6 pot calipers just need some new bolts & the right SS lines. Unless I've missed the point of this thread - sorry.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on January 05, 2012, 08:46:09 pm
Now 17z calipers and r32 discs sounds like my sort of brakes!

Any thoughts on this Dave? Or reviews? I'm looking for a 4/6 pot calipers to run a 330mm disc on, for my stage 2 Eddie.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 05, 2012, 09:00:15 pm
Now 17z calipers and r32 discs sounds like my sort of brakes!

Any thoughts on this Dave? Or reviews? I'm looking for a 4/6 pot calipers to run a 330mm disc on, for my stage 2 Eddie.

You can get a 2-peice floating disc thingy(sorry I dont know the proper term for it them light-weight discs) in 330mm. You may be able to take the rear calipers of the same cars mentioned in my previous post they are 4 pots. Dunno how that will work and may need a custom bracket of some short.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 05, 2012, 09:13:20 pm
I'd avoid such a hassle. I'd just do this if I feel a need to improve the brake system:


1. If I had GTI brakes:

Go for the NQSBBK and add some good rotors like Tarox + pads like Pagid.


2. If I already had S3 brakes:

Go for OEM sized two-piece rotors (AP Strap Drive or Performance Friction Direct Drive),
a set of good pads (Ferodo, Pagid, PFC, Endless) and bronze bushes for the caliper.


In each case proper ventilation and fluid will help significiently. I believe if you do more
than this you better buy a complet brake kit.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 05, 2012, 09:19:07 pm
I'd avoid such a hassle. I'd just do this if I feel a need to improve the brake system:


1. If I had GTI brakes:

Go for the NQSBBK and add some good rotors like Tarox + pads like Pagid.


2. If I already had S3 brakes:

Go for OEM sized two-piece rotors (AP Strap Drive or Performance Friction Direct Drive),
a set of good pads (Ferodo, Pagid, PFC, Endless) and bronze bushes for the caliper.


In each case proper ventilation and fluid will help significiently. I believe if you do more
than this you better buy a complet brake kit.


Fair point... but I thought 1 of the main points was to keep the cost down? getting a full kit would be £1,300 - £2,000(based upon ESC stage 3 & 5). Sourcing the same parts yourself would cost you around £600-£1000, just a case of knowing where to look.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 05, 2012, 09:26:17 pm
Yes, that's the point. There's no sense spending more than 1000,-
as some BBKs are below 2000,--.
You are right, the two-piece-dics are somewhere on the edge.

http://www.apracing.com/info/products.asp?product=STRAP+DRIVE+KITS+AND+SYSTEM%2D%3Cbr%3E%3Cimg+border%3D%222%22+src%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eapracing%2Ecom%2Fpics%2Fproductpics%2Fvw%2Dlogo%2Ejpg%22%2F%3E+Golf+MK5_2979_2960

Of course there are some alternatives from Tarox, Brembo, EBC
and RacingBrake.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 06, 2012, 12:31:37 am
Would love to keep the thread on the NQSBBK news and reviews.

The 17Z calipers are horrible and have HUGE piston sizes which are completely incompatible with a Mk5 MC, hydraulically they are worse than the 18z calipers which I wouldnt sell to people without the MC upgrade.

They only fit 330mm discs there is not a 330mmx32mm disc with the 61mm swept area required ...well not of any known or quality make

Putting expensive rotors on single piston calipers has been done to death on here and is in my view not the way forward

Theres been dozens of kits I've walked away from, I once put Diablo calipers on a GT Tdi Mk4, the caliper family was the same as a E38 728i Sport and you could get a pair for £80, it didn't work however so it got sacked off could have sold 30 sets of those kits in a weekend they're still under my stairs which is where they're staying cos they're crap....
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 06, 2012, 11:25:39 am
How come the MC would need upgrading? I've had the 18z calipers on 2 cars so far and had no issues... VW GOLF MK4 1.4 & Audi A3 2.0 GT TDI, I'm now in the process of fitting it to my VW GOLF MK5 GT TDI. Just need the bolts and ss lines...

Fair enuff about keeping this thread for the NQS-BBK, btw r u the DaveB that refurbs calipers?? If so can I have your contact details as I'd like to have mine done.

Thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 06, 2012, 11:54:34 am
Got bolts and lines bud

17z calipers have 30% more piston surface area which is an unsafe mismatch to the 23.8mm master cylinder imvho

18z calipers have 20% more piston surface area which is still a mismatch but one you can get away with as long as you see the fitting of those calipers as a cosmetic upgrade, stick a master cylinder upgrade on that 18z caliper and they come alive.

Its hydraulics and physics, you quickly get into dismissing returns on piston sizes....

You must also consider the master cylinder is sprung internally to help pull the pad away from the disc hydraulically when you take the foot ofthe pedal, if you have a mismatch the pad won't leave the disc fully potentially increasing pad wear and operating temperatures.

You increase surface area exponentially so a doubling in size quadruples surface area

So who with a candy white edition 30 is going to buy the white  NQSBBK calipers in classifieds?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on January 06, 2012, 12:13:08 pm
Dave your a very smart man!!!!  :surprised: certainly a credit to this forum!

do you have any kits laying around? you now have me thinking of 986 fronts/312mm rotors for my stage 2 ed30
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 06, 2012, 12:15:37 pm
Good to know more about the MC, is this something you could upgrade for me? At the moment the brakes are more of a cosmetic thing but I do have plans of taking my GT TDI to 250-60bhp.

Can you PM me your contact details please? need the lines and bolts asap. Just noticed my front pads will need changing within 800-1000miles so about a week ekkkkk!!

Saw them NQSBBK they look really nice, isit you that did the refurb? If so I'll also want to talk to you about this aswell.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: vRS_Pagey on January 06, 2012, 06:46:03 pm
Totally digressing,  but what mods are you fitting to achieve that sort of power from the GT TDi?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Been-0 on January 06, 2012, 07:13:22 pm
Totally digressing,  but what mods are you fitting to achieve that sort of power from the GT TDi?

Sent u a PM with the details - don't wan to go totally off topic on the thread :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: taff-turbo on January 06, 2012, 10:01:48 pm
@ daveb; i realise its been posted previously but what is the price on these kits currently?  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on January 06, 2012, 10:18:11 pm
had mine fitted today. tbh not noticed any difference between it and my old OEM set up, but considering that these haven't bedded in and are as good i'm sure once they're bedded in they'll tear my face off!! they do feel completely OEM tho, just as smooth and not squeaky at all!! very happy :happy2:

unfortunately tho Midland VW couldn't fit my rear SS brake likes as apparently there was some problem with the thread on my OEM rubber lines - the thread is knackered so they can't be replaced without replacing the line all the way to the ABS pump? not sure it's worth the hassle so my rear lines may be up for sale soon to get some of my money back  :sad1:

any advice on bedding in guys?

PS - DaveB is a thoroughly nice bloke, definitely a credit to the forum. and if there's anyone i want looking after my braking it's definitely a pilot :signLOL:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on January 07, 2012, 05:04:10 pm
:ashamed:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fyy209%2Fsub39h%2FIMG_2151.jpg&hash=4e0ec53413897b854cd39500b0c1d797ffe16fd5)  

the clearance isn't AMAZING considering that i've got 8J ET44 wheels  :confused:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fyy209%2Fsub39h%2FIMG_2145.jpg&hash=b19a66664b1c2091b0bc50168d46dea751b6532b)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 07, 2012, 06:55:32 pm
Good to know with my VZ there is some clearance.  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 10, 2012, 11:45:43 am
Ben

Its certainly cheaper, the whole point of the NQSBBK was the 75% rule.....  which was to give 75% of the performance of the normal BBK's but saving 75% of the £2k kits, the process of mounting the brembo "raw" casting in the lathe to remove the 7mm to min thickness and then remove to a vertical miller to drill or J hookand then powder coat takes quite a bit of time, with the investment I've got now its easier to do things 15 at a time than what I used to do which was 3 or 4 at a time.

So..... £225-£250 for the proper job 312's sounds expensive even to me and Im selling them! That said you'd pay £160 for some OEM R32 discs

Not withstanding that if you've got 6 or 7 track days planned for the year plus a ring trip and you're the kind of chap that gets up at 5am on a summer sunday to go for a blat around your favourite roads in your stage 2/2+ eddie then I wouldnt be without them - seriously

Our drilling CNC Program ensures no hot spots which helps to prevent premature cracking in the drilled discs and the J Hooking isnt invasive...

Somebody was asking after the 2 piece 315mm option, its going to be a non starter down to rotor cost so heres the plan......

There is a single piece billet machined caliper in development, its going to be backward compatible with the Cayman caliper but will take the larger deeper pad from the 996 Carrera 2/4 this eliminates the requirement for disc area removal as the pad and disc now match in height.

The piston height will come down allowing a slimmer caliper that will work on all OEM wheels without any spacer at all, its also going to be very tighly cowled around the pistons to weight save and might have some aero on the back for cooling purposes in true touring car styleeee....

Best bit is being able to specify my own piston sizes to really ensure we get as much out of the Master Cylinder as possible, there is a MC upgrade available for the Mk5 but it aint cheap so its nice to be specific

The Cayman Caliper tops out on disc diameter at about 320mm the new caliper will go to 330mm and maybe 28mm wide enabling an affordable AP Racing 2 piece option on the discs.

Apart from all the tech stuff it will have brembo style dust seals and be able to use the Porsche Pad dampeners for good road manners

Lots of design work to do, found myself a Draughty, worst bit will be destroying a pair of calipers for measuring purposes

Love the sound of the development.  330mm 2piece rotor and lightweight caliper matched to MC was ultimately what I was after.  :party:

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on January 11, 2012, 10:54:58 pm
Dave yhpm  :happy2:

In need of a caliper fitting kit!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: tkboyle on January 19, 2012, 11:59:02 am
Just trying to get my head round this and hopefully someone can help.

The brembo on a boxter is located at the back of the wheel and not the front unlike the golf.
So the larger piston is at the bottom as this should be at the leading edge of the caliper.

So when swapping them to the golf this means that you to swap over so that the brake bleed is at the top.

Is this right?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 19, 2012, 01:13:58 pm
Yep

Here you go

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw69%2Fdave_brown1970%2FPorscheReversal.jpg&hash=2737c16b4916f1a71423f0f0b23bdeae8da3370e)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on January 25, 2012, 01:23:45 pm
Another little aside to the nqs thread!....

Is 35/32 giving 1766mm2 too small for the front of a mk5 gti?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mvb12 on January 25, 2012, 01:34:08 pm
 :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

What a beautiful read, have now finished reading from page 1 to current.

I must admit, I can't get my head round any of clearance issues/grinding down ect, but i do like the idea of the NQSBBK.
If someone that fully understands all of this can they PM me as i have a lot of questions to get upto speed and get a full understanding of the brake situation.

Upto now i've only has an interest in oem/oem+ body kits ect so this is new terrain for me and hopefully someone can spare some time to help me out as its something i want to get to grips with!

Cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: vRS_Pagey on January 25, 2012, 01:46:55 pm
Just trying to get my head round this and hopefully someone can help.

The brembo on a boxter is located at the back of the wheel and not the front unlike the golf.
So the larger piston is at the bottom as this should be at the leading edge of the caliper.

So when swapping them to the golf this means that you to swap over so that the brake bleed is at the top.

Is this right?

I'm by no means an expert but surely if you swap the caliper side to side rotating horizontally 180 degrees it would be correctly orientated?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on January 25, 2012, 04:58:15 pm
It wouldn't work Lee, have a look at DaveB's diagram as it's kinda hard to explain...the calipers are usually fitted to a Porsche but behind the disc with the bleed nipples up and the smaller piston at the bottom (which is where you want it as the smaller piston should 'see' the rotating disc first). If you imagine rotating the calipers round to the front of the disc, then the bleed nipples are at the bottom (not good for bleeding) although the smaller piston is at the top where you want it. Now imagine if you swap the caliper over to the other side of the car, you would have to turn it upside down to line up the bolt holes - the bleed nipples are now at the top which is good but the smaller piston is at the bottom, which is bad (for progressive braking and feel). The only way to get around this is to keep the calipers to the correct side but put the bleed nipples where the fluid pipe ports are and vice versa. I hope that makes sense  :confused:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 25, 2012, 07:26:35 pm
Another little aside to the nqs thread!....

Is 35/32 giving 1766mm2 too small for the front of a mk5 gti?

No good for a Mk5 Jim, if you divide by Pi then square root it and times by two it comes to a single piston equivalent size of 47mm which will give a very sharp pedal with no stopping power at all

Standard piston size on a Mk5 is 54mm you're ok 7% either side of design size IMHO many wouldn't put anything on smaller at all. Smaller is the safety case Bigger is the shoddy pedal case.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on January 25, 2012, 08:57:38 pm
Thanks Dave - I think the caliper I mentioned is a db9 rear, I thought it would be too small. Will give it a miss.

I thought you mentioned 20% is ok, sorry if I'm wrong but I have read so much on this that I am forgetting what I have taken in!

It is said that the 996TT are good for the mk5, but they come out at 2655mm2 , which is about 15% greater than standard (dia54 giving 2291) , +20pc gives a max allowable of 2749mm2.

996 being 2275mm2 so about bang on standard so should give a factory pedal - disregarding physical fitment of the thing.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: JimmyMature on January 25, 2012, 09:07:04 pm


Hi DaveB, what's the current price on everything needed for the NQSBBK? I have a MK6 GTI.


Cheers,


Jim
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 25, 2012, 09:23:18 pm
Thanks Dave - I think the caliper I mentioned is a db9 rear, I thought it would be too small. Will give it a miss.

I thought you mentioned 20% is ok, sorry if I'm wrong but I have read so much on this that I am forgetting what I have taken in!

It is said that the 996TT are good for the mk5, but they come out at 2655mm2 , which is about 15% greater than standard (dia54 giving 2291) , +20pc gives a max allowable of 2749mm2.

996 being 2275mm2 so about bang on standard so should give a factory pedal - disregarding physical fitment of the thing.

Check your numbers on the 996tt caliper buddy and don't forget R32 calipers are 57mm on the same master cylinder.

DB9 rears are 34/38 and are the proper config (leading) also the pad size is 54mm tall so I'm toying with the idea of making a carrier for the Polo GTI with cupra R discs, that would be great.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 25, 2012, 10:07:10 pm
Jim, besides from piston sizes keep in mind 996 calipers require larger rotors.
Larger rotor diameters increase brake torque.
So (from theory) with larger discs you need smaller piston sizes if the front brake
has to mate existing rear brake system to preserve balance.

The NQSBBK provides slightly larger pad area and much better pad pressure
distribution, so increased brake caliper efficiency. I bet the slightly smaller piston
area won't weaken balance.

 :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on January 30, 2012, 04:58:46 pm
if i were to get some used brembo boxster calipers and discs who/where make and sell the hardware i need to fit these such as brake lines, brackets and bolts?

the past few times I've driven the car I've been really pissed off with the poor OEM brakes. I've got to get these upgraded.


thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on January 30, 2012, 05:58:51 pm
Dave b is the guy you'll want to speak to, his name is a few posts up

I'm currently waiting for My fitting kit off Dave for my boxster calipers  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on January 30, 2012, 06:28:46 pm
sent him a couple of PM's so hopefully get some pointers of him  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on January 31, 2012, 08:24:43 pm
Getting mine fitted on thursday. Sould there be spring washers for each of the bolts which hold the caliper to the carrier?

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 31, 2012, 08:39:16 pm
Errrr yes there should....you not got any?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on January 31, 2012, 09:02:08 pm
No there was not any with it when i got the carriers back. They are getting fitted n thursday what size are they, i can probably source some tomorrow.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on January 31, 2012, 09:47:42 pm
any help on size of spring washers please?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on January 31, 2012, 10:11:01 pm
M12
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on January 31, 2012, 10:13:59 pm
Yeh just spoke to Dave. All sorted  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on January 31, 2012, 11:29:38 pm
if i were to get porsche boxster 2.7l brembo calipers and pads can i still use my standard GTI discs or would i need porsche discs too?

think the porsche discs are 298mm and GTI are 312mm right?

thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on February 01, 2012, 12:41:47 am
Reed the first post of this thread. Stock discs can and shall be used.
If you like you can get some J-hooked Brembo discs from Dave.

No way to fit the Boxster rotors on a Golf though . . .
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on February 07, 2012, 12:04:21 pm
Got my NQSBBK fitted yesterday. Only done a couple of miles but can already feel them working much better as they start to bed in a bit more. Looking forward to the weekend to take it for a proper drive and get them warmed up a bit  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on February 08, 2012, 03:45:02 pm
Getting mine fitted on thursday. Sould there be spring washers for each of the bolts which hold the caliper to the carrier?

Errrr yes there should....you not got any?

Oooh, I didn't get any either and have been running my NQS BBK without them for nearly 2 years without apparent problem - should I be worried or getting spring washers on at the earliest opportunity?  :surprised:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: nadlad on February 08, 2012, 03:51:04 pm
Getting mine fitted on thursday. Sould there be spring washers for each of the bolts which hold the caliper to the carrier?

Errrr yes there should....you not got any?

Oooh, I didn't get any either and have been running my NQS BBK without them for nearly 2 years without apparent problem - should I be worried or getting spring washers on at the earliest opportunity?  :surprised:

Do u get any low speed pad squeel
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on February 08, 2012, 04:30:55 pm
Only a little when my last pads were new on (DS2500s) but I have the Porsche 'anti rattle shims' fitted into caliper pistons and use CeraTec as an anti-squeel compound (copper grease rots the rubber dust seals on the pistons!). The previous low-speed squeel went away after about a week or two.

I just fitted Pagid RS4-2s and new discs at the weekend and have only had the tiniest amount of squeel but that was only with light breaking when cold at about 30 mph and I'll bet that it will dissapear soon.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 08, 2012, 04:41:27 pm
Only a little when my last pads were new on (DS2500s) but I have the Porsche 'anti rattle shims' fitted into caliper pistons and use CeraTec as an anti-squeel compound (copper grease rots the rubber dust seals on the pistons!). The previous low-speed squeel went away after about a week or two.

I just fitted Pagid RS4-2s and new discs at the weekend and have only had the tiniest amount of squeel but that was only with light breaking when cold at about 30 mph and I'll bet that it will dissapear soon.

How do you find the blues  :driver:  there ace!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on February 09, 2012, 02:54:23 pm
Only a little when my last pads were new on (DS2500s) but I have the Porsche 'anti rattle shims' fitted into caliper pistons and use CeraTec as an anti-squeel compound (copper grease rots the rubber dust seals on the pistons!). The previous low-speed squeel went away after about a week or two.

I just fitted Pagid RS4-2s and new discs at the weekend and have only had the tiniest amount of squeel but that was only with light breaking when cold at about 30 mph and I'll bet that it will dissapear soon.

How do you find the blues  :driver:  there ace!

So far so good but really only been driving on them for 3 days so still bedding in a bit - initial impressions are that they are great; they are equivalent to my DS2500s even at a pre-bedding in stage so we will see how much they improve over the days to come.

I followed the Pagid bedding-in procedure as closely as I could and got some reasonable heat in them but there was a limit to what I could do on a public road at the time  :chicken:

I also put some Black Diamond discs on. The J-hooks with DS2500s were great but I kept building pad deposits on the discs which caused vibration when braking and which kept getting reported as 'warped' discs on servicing and MOT. A good rub down with an abrasive always sorted it for a while but I will keep the J-hooks as spare for the moment.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on February 13, 2012, 06:17:22 pm
I'm collecting parts for my nqs bbk and need/want new pads

Can anyone recommend a pad for fast road no track use? And also a link to where to buy from would be great! Going in 986 calipers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deako on February 13, 2012, 06:33:18 pm
I'm collecting parts for my nqs bbk and need/want new pads

Can anyone recommend a pad for fast road no track use? And also a link to where to buy from would be great! Going in 986 calipers

You can get OEM Porsche Textar pads for £50 a set on eBay with free delivery.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on February 13, 2012, 08:45:11 pm
Do you know the part number or link?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deako on February 13, 2012, 10:27:49 pm
Just search eBay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=textar+boxster+986&_sacat=0&_dmpt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&_odkw=textar+boxster&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Fronts an rears there.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on February 14, 2012, 03:48:18 pm
DaveB1870 - been trying to contact you regarding supplying this kit.

could you PM me please

cheers

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on February 18, 2012, 12:01:33 pm
Dave, I have done some calculations and the area covered by the 4 pistons from the NQSBBK (36/40) is sightly less than the area covered by the 54mm radius OEM Piston. The difference is very small so I think we can say it is virtually the same area.
Does this translate into: The nqsbbk and OEM GTI setups have the same stopping power? Is the area covered by the pistons similar to "stopping power"?
I know the differences in weight and pedal feel are huge, but is the stopping power identical?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on February 18, 2012, 01:02:08 pm
Pad area to consider also Rex! :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on February 18, 2012, 01:31:52 pm
Pad area doesn't take into account. It only improves thermal capacity and lowers wear.

http://www.pagidracing.com/techinfo.html#bigger

But it's even more complex. The fixed 4-pot caliper provides much better (lower) hysteresis
and so improved efficiency.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on February 18, 2012, 01:42:13 pm
Hi Rex

Opposed piston calipers have a much better pedal feel than floating calipers, brand new or recently serviced floating calipers can work well but tired slide bushes and corroded pins and the fact that the single piston needs to deal with all the braking just means you don't find them on many race cars...!

The split in piston sizes  is to give some feedback, the small piston will deploy first giving initial bite and a positive pedal and the bigger piston will provide the depth of braking, that said we're talking fractions of a mm here. They re also staggered to avoid pad taper. The 996TT takes this to the next level with 36/44mm pistons which give a great pedal and a lot of pedal in reserve

NQS has many benefits, pad choice, light weight and a great pedal. They'll also give great performance over a long time where the OEM setups do wear out if not serviced.

Used to break my heart people hanging S3 setups from £1500 quids worth of KW's finest

In addition they look great and give you a step up from OEM without the £1200-£2000 price tag

I had a guy drill his own discs a couple of weeks ago, this is the sort of guy this kit would appeal to, yes people can buy all the stuff of me such as refurbed calipers, NQS Discs but I envisaged people having a go to keep the costs down?

pad area just improves heat headroom bigger pad doesn't mean better stopping, you shouldn't underestimate the weight of big pads.....
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on February 18, 2012, 04:07:34 pm
Thanks guys for the clarification!
 :drinking:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deako on March 22, 2012, 12:45:14 pm
hi all im new to this forum so cant advertise in classifieds so here is a link to my Porsche boxster s rear calipers for sale.

http://the-corrado.net/showthread.php?65665-Porsche-brembo-calipers-and-eurospec-rear-280-brakes

http://www.vr6oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?474638.post

They are the wrong calipers for this conversion, and according to Dave area very dangerous if fitted to the front of a VW.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mvb12 on March 22, 2012, 01:22:14 pm
i'm quite keen to get this setup but i've contacted daveB ..... but lets just say he's too busy.

tried the site www.vagbremtechnic.com (which i asume it's daves site) but it don't work.

ideally i just want to buy the whole kit 1 time as i can't be asked to troll the net ect.

any ideas people.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: black dub on March 22, 2012, 02:49:53 pm
hi all im new to this forum so cant advertise in classifieds so here is a link to my Porsche boxster s rear calipers for sale.


They are the wrong calipers for this conversion, and according to Dave area very dangerous if fitted to the front of a VW.

i thought that is what people were using according to the first load of pages on this topic?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deako on March 22, 2012, 04:08:14 pm
No, the correct caliper is the Boxter 2.5/2.7 front caliper.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on March 22, 2012, 04:36:00 pm
Part numbers 986.351.421 and 422!  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: nadlad on March 22, 2012, 07:19:11 pm
With dave you have to be patient mate he's very busy guy but he will resolve issue trust me if your not prepared to be patient then best of with trial and error mate.

Am not siding with no one but ave had quite a few dealings with him and you can't get stuff done yesterday with him, he's got two 10 month old kids and a potential flying course fine to deal with.

So just give it time bro
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: black dub on March 22, 2012, 07:19:53 pm
well cheers for your opinion even though i did not ask for any, they worked fine on my supercharged vr6 corrado running 300hp i have never done track days but plenty of 1/4drags and plenty of use on fast roads never had a problem only changing now as i have a turbo vr6 in my car pushing over 500hp so needed bigger stopping power.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deako on March 22, 2012, 08:36:59 pm
well cheers for your opinion even though i did not ask for any, they worked fine on my supercharged vr6 corrado running 300hp i have never done track days but plenty of 1/4drags and plenty of use on fast roads never had a problem only changing now as i have a turbo vr6 in my car pushing over 500hp so needed bigger stopping power.


Some people cant be told. Nevermind. Hope someone doesnt fit them and crash.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Richn83 on March 22, 2012, 09:10:01 pm
I don't think its anything to do with power black dub its master cylinder size to piston size if they are wrong you wont have any brakes. The corrado and the mk5 are different cars.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on March 22, 2012, 10:58:38 pm
Black dub you have come.on here your.first.post being one.with links.to.try to.sell.your.calipers even.tho your thread count doesn't allow you to sell on here.

Then you give a snide.comment back after people in the know give advice. Oh and quarter mile.ain't that heavy on brakes.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dsg steel on March 24, 2012, 11:54:38 pm
Hi how much is for the complete kit with everything needed?

Thanks

Billy
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on March 26, 2012, 01:21:49 pm
I fitted my NQSBBK yesterday and can confirm these fit behind the std ed30 pescara BUT need a 5mm spacer!

Bedding them in now on grooved discs and Mintex m1144 pads  :happy2:

Pedal feels awesome already!! Thanks Dave for all your help and fitting kit
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on March 27, 2012, 11:47:27 am
Hi how much is for the complete kit with everything needed?

Thanks

Billy

About £600 if you use standard pads and keep your own 312mm discs. More if you need to refurb the calipers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on April 06, 2012, 08:12:02 am
Beside the calipers with the before mentioned part codes what else should I get from the Boxster donor?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on April 06, 2012, 08:23:53 am
Nothing else  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: ktlstar on April 06, 2012, 08:31:33 am
I was told £250 to Dave, and he supply the whole lot bar the calipers/pads which you have to source. Very good price imo!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: kirkus on April 08, 2012, 09:55:32 am
Hello,
Is Dave still selling the fitting kit for mk5 platform?
I would like to swap the big heavy R32 setup with this one.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on April 08, 2012, 10:14:25 am
Same question from me. If Dave is still providing the mounting kit can you please quote me a price? Also I wonder what are the costs for a J hooked pair or rotors.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on April 08, 2012, 10:38:24 am
My thoughts on my NQSBBK!

" its been a few months now since I received my NQSBBK from you and had it fitted, just wanted to let you know my thoughts!

 My mechanic couldnt believe how good the fit was for the adapters etc and how it all required so little work!

Im thrilled with how good the kit is, its very subtle and very effective as a daily driver setup, it feels smoother around town, but when I need to stop its so much more powerful than stock, exactly what it says on the tin!

looks wise those pretty red Porsche calipers catch my eye, got to say Im tempted to upgrade the discs now just for looks!

I didnt really look to closely, but IIRC you supplied me with Pagid pads (blue box?) and they are nice and quiet, never make any noise at all! "
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mvb12 on April 08, 2012, 11:53:20 am
might as well jump on the wagon :happy2: i too would like a DaveB special Kit.... looks like a GB is on the cards  :P

either way i have no faith in the standard set up and from the rave reviews of the NQS BBK i defo need this set up sooner rather than later!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 08, 2012, 12:09:32 pm
Prob half the PMs I get now are about this kit, for the outlay I think it's great value.

I've got a tame porsche specialist that let's me have some affordable calipers (non at the moment) on occasion....the buzz when you go to collect the calipers and there's a nearly new chunky set of Porsche OEM pads in there is just ace!

The prices of calipers are coming down a bit as well I've noticed

Its an adaptable kit as well with cheap consumables, good pedal it works on show ponies and track cars, I think Rex has proved that it does have its limitations on track as all brakes do but until you outgrow it like Rex has its a great kit and setup with hardly any downsides that will work enroute Sainsburys or the Nordschleife...

Worth also mentioning that I have carriers that also work on the lightweight S3 hubs, so anybody wanting to focus on unsprung weight and better handling also has this option.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on April 08, 2012, 12:10:11 pm
PS Daz that's at least forty quid I owe you for that review!!!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on April 08, 2012, 07:56:03 pm
The only thing that worries me regarding this kit is the spacer need (pescara wheels). First the safe-related question: how safe is to run hubcentric 10mm (quality from top brand so no rabat here) even at the race track? And second do you think that my Edition 30 with stock suspension and stock tires (225/40 R18) will have arches rubbing issues?

@DAVEB1970: I've emailed you. I hope it did not reached the spam folder :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on April 08, 2012, 08:00:43 pm
The only thing that worries me regarding this kit is the spacer need (pescara wheels). First the safe-related question: how safe is to run hubcentric 10mm (quality from top brand so no rabat here) even at the race track? And second do you think that my Edition 30 with stock suspension and stock tires (225/40 R18) will have arches rubbing issues?

@DAVEB1970: I've emailed you. I hope it did not reached the spam folder :)

yes spacers should be fine even on the track (just make sure you've got the longer bolts) and at stock ride height you're not going to have any rubbing issues

i don't have any rubbing issues and my car's been lowered and has 8J ET44 wheels (i.e. stick out by 13mm more than your wheels, like having 13mm spacers) with 225/40R18 tyres. i drive an 8P rather than a Mk5 but i think we have higher offset wheels from the factory than you guys anyway - OEM 18" wheels are 7.5J ET54 on the 8P (rather than 7.5J ET51 on the Ed30)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 08, 2012, 09:27:27 pm
The only thing that worries me regarding this kit is the spacer need (pescara wheels). First the safe-related question: how safe is to run hubcentric 10mm (quality from top brand so no rabat here) even at the race track? And second do you think that my Edition 30 with stock suspension and stock tires (225/40 R18) will have arches rubbing issues?

@DAVEB1970: I've emailed you. I hope it did not reached the spam folder :)

yes spacers should be fine even on the track (just make sure you've got the longer bolts) and at stock ride height you're not going to have any rubbing issues

i don't have any rubbing issues and my car's been lowered and has 8J ET44 wheels (i.e. stick out by 13mm more than your wheels, like having 13mm spacers) with 225/40R18 tyres. i drive an 8P rather than a Mk5 but i think we have higher offset wheels from the factory than you guys anyway - OEM 18" wheels are 7.5J ET54 on the 8P (rather than 7.5J ET51 on the Ed30)

The reason for the higher ET on the 8P platform is the alloy hubs gives a 3mm wider track, so ET 54 is to compensate for that  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: sub39h on April 08, 2012, 09:56:24 pm
The only thing that worries me regarding this kit is the spacer need (pescara wheels). First the safe-related question: how safe is to run hubcentric 10mm (quality from top brand so no rabat here) even at the race track? And second do you think that my Edition 30 with stock suspension and stock tires (225/40 R18) will have arches rubbing issues?

@DAVEB1970: I've emailed you. I hope it did not reached the spam folder :)

yes spacers should be fine even on the track (just make sure you've got the longer bolts) and at stock ride height you're not going to have any rubbing issues

i don't have any rubbing issues and my car's been lowered and has 8J ET44 wheels (i.e. stick out by 13mm more than your wheels, like having 13mm spacers) with 225/40R18 tyres. i drive an 8P rather than a Mk5 but i think we have higher offset wheels from the factory than you guys anyway - OEM 18" wheels are 7.5J ET54 on the 8P (rather than 7.5J ET51 on the Ed30)

The reason for the higher ET on the 8P platform is the alloy hubs gives a 3mm wider track, so ET 54 is to compensate for that  :happy2:

does this apply to non-S3/RS3 8Ps as well?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on April 09, 2012, 12:09:32 am
The A3 8P had the higher ET54/56 long before the S3 was released, but who knows
- they might have had this in mind even before they introduced the 8P in 2003. ;)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mvb12 on April 09, 2012, 10:50:17 am
Anyone know how to contact DaveB for the fitting kit (apart from PM).

Waiting for one of these babies to beef up the stopping power!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on April 09, 2012, 12:08:13 pm
PS Daz that's at least forty quid I owe you for that review!!!

Ill hold you to that the next time im looking for brake parts!  :signLOL:,

btw going to hold on to the shims for now as I might still fit them even though I havent needed them!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on April 09, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Anyone know how to contact DaveB for the fitting kit (apart from PM).

Waiting for one of these babies to beef up the stopping power!
I've emailed him. Please check that there is a small envelope icon below his name on each post.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: MC71 on April 09, 2012, 01:36:00 pm
Really need some of these. Trying to source some calipers and keep coming across ones that say "352" in the number and not "351" but are advertised as VW upgrade. I am assuming this is wrong for my ED30 front brake set up. So I'm sure, I am looking for the black caalipers with the 351. Sorry for going over this again ax I know I reD this somewhere in this thread but did not write it down.
Cheers  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on April 09, 2012, 01:58:55 pm
If I'm not wrong the 352 are rear calipers so I doubt they are suitable for this upgrade but sellers can advertise just to sell :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on April 09, 2012, 02:12:32 pm
1. spb, I used 10mm on Hungaroring and Nurburgring with no issues. I could easily use them on any track.
2. After the last Hungaroring trip I managed to find a flaw in the nqsbbk. This has to be the small disc thickness (25mm). On a normal track day with very heaving braking (but on a track which is moderate to brakes) I managed to boil the brake fluid (Motul 660). I think that this problem can be solved with a more adequate brake ventilation (I will install some brake cooling ducts).
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on April 09, 2012, 02:14:12 pm
As above about 352 - steer clear.

I run with 12mm spacers to clear my (as yet to be fitted) 996 over 330 kit. I drive hard and have no quibbles whatsoever about using proper hubcentric spacers with longer bolts.

I also prefer the 'stance' with the wheels spaced a bit.

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: turbo t on April 10, 2012, 08:57:49 am
Hi,

I have a set of these calipers for sale. They have been stripped down and so need new seals and powdercoating. The lines have been swapped already. The pistons are serviceable.

I am looking for £100 with free postage to uk mainland (I'll get a quote on postage for further away)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: turbo t on April 10, 2012, 04:04:49 pm
SOLD
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Bncy Wäbit on May 09, 2012, 12:51:01 am
hi DaveB. please check your email. I 've sent you an email a couple of days ago.
thanks :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dp_Ed30 on May 09, 2012, 01:32:59 pm
hi DaveB. please check your email. I 've sent you an email a couple of days ago.
thanks :happy2:

Pm also sent re: alcons :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on May 10, 2012, 12:58:42 pm
Mail sent a few day ago for the J hook discs  :drinking:.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on May 31, 2012, 12:36:53 pm
It appears that Pagid doesn't sell the Pagid RS29 Yellow compound in the UK: http://www.pagid-brake-pads.co.uk/car-brake-pads/porsche-boxster.html
But this is sold in Germany: http://www.nimex-motorsport.de/?category=products;subID:183&sessID=q2fi40a40qr5t8scr333hfp890
So if you are after some great daily drive and track day pad look no further (not cheap though). As soon as my current Pagid RS 4-4 (second ones) pads need changing I will go with RS 29.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on June 13, 2012, 12:18:51 pm
Does anyone know what temperature characteristics the Textar (OEM almost) have? I was wondering how they are compared to Pagid blue, orange. First to see if the difference (50e vs 200e) makes sense for someone that visits the race track twice/year and second if the Pagid are not so well adapted for the road (running for 10min at 130km/h on cold weather could put you in a very unpleasant position if a sudden brake is needed).

Running Textar, street pads, not dedicated motorsport pads like Pagid on J-hook rotors can cause problems?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on June 13, 2012, 01:50:00 pm
The OEM-Textars are street pads. No comparison to Pagid Blue or Orange.

You want to save money? Get Endless MX72. They seem expensive, but they last for eternity.  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on June 13, 2012, 01:59:24 pm
Or Pagid Yellow  :grin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on June 13, 2012, 02:38:20 pm
I'm pretty much sure there is no compassion in terms of performance when raced.
My questions were more something like for 2 times per year does it makes sense to get race pads or the Textar can perform at the track without such big issues that you start to be concerned for safety. And second do the Pagid need to be well heated to bite so on the public roads are useless?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 13, 2012, 02:56:33 pm
I'm pretty much sure there is no compassion in terms of performance when raced.
My questions were more something like for 2 times per year does it makes sense to get race pads or the Textar can perform at the track without such big issues that you start to be concerned for safety. And second do the Pagid need to be well heated to bite so on the public roads are useless?

Pagid Definately need to be initially heated up to 'set' the chemical compound as far as I understand

From then on giving good bite from cold for normal road driving

I mean initially bedded in not every time you go for a drive
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on June 13, 2012, 08:24:39 pm
Rex will surely be able to tell you some words on performance of both RS4-4 and RS19.

From what I know both work fine on street but I think both are overdone when you track
just twice a year. Even the RS4-2 which work fine from cold are noisy when cold in town.

MX72 are quiet. They work fine from cold like RS4-2s. They last extremely long. Even the
discs will last significiently longer.

I guess the OEM-Textars will do the job if you don't push too hard on track. Take care
you have sufficient brake ventilation though.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on June 16, 2012, 12:19:37 am
Have to say that I am not getting much noise at all from my RS4-2s on my NQS BBK and no squeal.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Russ_leeds on June 17, 2012, 10:15:40 am
interesting i have rs4-2 blues with j-hooked discs and mine are pretty loud, not a squeeling noise but tou can definateley hear them working (mainly at high speed braking)
Title: Re: Re: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on June 17, 2012, 01:05:24 pm
interesting i have rs4-2 blues with j-hooked discs and mine are pretty loud, not a squeeling noise but tou can definateley hear them working (mainly at high speed braking)

Yes, mine a buzzing noise when braking at speed but I put that down to the j-hook discs rather than the pads
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on June 17, 2012, 01:39:47 pm
Some humming is caused by J-hooks or slotted discs - this is normal. If you have some squealing it's
caused by the pads.

I had humming with all my slotted discs (AP, Brembo, Tarox). A friend is running Pagid RS4-2 (blue)
on his Octavia RS with stock calipers (+ Tarox G88) and the pads are squealing like hell when cold.

 :evilgrin:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Russ_leeds on June 17, 2012, 04:02:18 pm
I don't get any squeeling from my rs4-2 bues. I do get a bit when i'm not braking, but it sounds like its coming from the rears
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 17, 2012, 05:13:14 pm
Ergo.....you need some j hook rears Russ  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Promethazine on June 20, 2012, 07:53:55 pm
If you are going to J-hook it, J-hook it right with genuine AP Racing discs! Those replicas look horrid.  :fighting:

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on June 20, 2012, 09:01:40 pm
Beautiful pics !! Those are serious.  :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on June 21, 2012, 06:50:07 pm
i was in sweden last week and went to the volvo museum and i had a sit in this car (wasn't meant to but i couldn't help myself - full working car not a show piece. just needed a battery and it would start! the mrs ran away and left me to it as i nearly got us thrown out....)

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j hooks

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 21, 2012, 08:02:15 pm
Certainly where would you like the bill for £1600 sending.......

(I'm an AP Dealer..........)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: tony_danza on June 21, 2012, 08:09:31 pm
J-hooks are sooooo passé - Crescents are where it's at.  :signLOL:

But yeah, they do hum a little, don't worry.

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on June 21, 2012, 08:38:49 pm
Like these patterns too:


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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.importjap.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2F2010-subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-r205%2Fsubaru_impreza_wrx_sti_r205_slotted_rotors_calipers.jpg&hash=109f90902819c01bfe555a448fe0847d725b7099)

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Title: Re: NQS BBK - A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit.....Now on with PICS
Post by: spb on June 26, 2012, 10:49:25 am
Can someone help me please with the anti-rattle shims and pads retaining mechanism part codes?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mo on June 26, 2012, 11:48:06 am
For the shims you will need 4 of these.Not cheap but there should be a discount code floating around im sure.
http://www.eurocarparts.com/search/101339140/p/home
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on June 26, 2012, 11:59:50 am
Damn those are expensive. I think I'll reuse the old one although don't look like new :).
I hope the pad retaining mechanism is not so expensive...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on June 26, 2012, 02:27:06 pm
I've just brought a 2nd hand nqsbbk but don't come with the anti rattle shims as suggested above...can I get away by not using them??
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Russ_leeds on June 26, 2012, 06:46:39 pm
yeah theres no problem by not using them, just they might squeel a bit.
IIRC I bought a full set from a porche garage and they were £35 for all 4  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mortygttdi on June 26, 2012, 07:16:36 pm
Russ how come you needed some more??? the ones I gave you where brand new never used?

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on June 26, 2012, 07:45:59 pm
yeah theres no problem by not using them, just they might squeel a bit.
IIRC I bought a full set from a porche garage and they were £35 for all 4  :happy2:

Cheers mate,gonna give it a go without it then see if I can hear any noise
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on June 26, 2012, 08:15:14 pm
Used anti rattle shims are pretty much useless as it is the adhesive pad element to them that bonds the pad to the shims.

Without them being stuck together they are just added weight ~(from the horses mouth - one Daveb)

I have them without being stuck to the pads and mine SQUEEEEEEL.

Tried some Pagid Ceratec with slight improvement.

But my advice is get new Porsche shims - as Dave said in a long distant post - 'they just work'.

PS - Those STI 6 pots - look like the AMG caliper.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on June 26, 2012, 09:14:24 pm
OEM was my intention but without a part number the parts shop employee will not be very happy to spend some good minutes to find the part :)
Can I reuse the old ones? Or they tend to get used and are no longer effective?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on June 26, 2012, 11:05:13 pm
Any link to get the Porsche shims as I don't know where & what to look for..
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on June 27, 2012, 09:45:27 pm
Will be getting my nqsbbk fitted by Aps on the 10th july..What's this about the brake pedal not coming back up??dont want to brown my pants when I'm on full attack mode
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 27, 2012, 09:49:03 pm
Russ how come you needed some more??? the ones I gave you where brand new never used?



Russ bought my Pagid Rs4-2 blue.  How are they Russ?  Any track action yet? Still set for euro trip?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Russ_leeds on June 27, 2012, 11:24:52 pm
Hi Darren, I let Dave have them as part of the refurb deal. Bought some more and then the pads I bought off mike already had some fitted, so I dont really need them  :signLOL:

Hi Mike, yeah just about all set. We set off at about 8:30 on Sunday morning down to dover. No track action yet but if the rings quiet when we get there I'll be having a couple of laps, still a bit unsure, its like jumping straight in at the deep end  :signLOL:

I've never had any issue with the pedal not returning to the top. Where did you get this info from?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on June 28, 2012, 01:04:04 am
Maybe I misread the thread..
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on July 05, 2012, 09:07:36 am
Got the NQSBBK fitted with pagid pads in APS brackley...still bedding in the pads procedure but I can feel a big difference...the kit looks good on the car but the dscs look tiny,I was wondering if it's possible to upgrade to a 330 disc???if yes what is needed??
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on July 05, 2012, 10:52:50 am
I think these calipers tops at 315mm. Dave mentioned something about a 315mm 2 pieces AP Racing rotor but I think the idea was dropped since the rotors are hugely more expensive than the standard 312mm.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on July 05, 2012, 12:28:04 pm
Just had the nqsbbk & anti rattle shims fitted by APS in brackley,I'm getting the squeak noise from my brakes,using new normal pagid pads,ed from APS suggested that the new pads still have a glaze on it & will go away after the glaze been scrubbed off during usage!!if I still get the noise where can I get those shims everybody is talking about on this thread & most importantly the part no please
Many thanks
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on July 05, 2012, 10:09:01 pm
I think these calipers tops at 315mm. Dave mentioned something about a 315mm 2 pieces AP Racing rotor but I think the idea was dropped since the rotors are hugely more expensive than the standard 312mm.

315 mm is a popular diameter for AP rotors. There's lots of choices on patterns, thicknesses and vent types.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on July 06, 2012, 07:40:56 am
I'm interested in getting more info on this subject since I'm buying new rotors anyway for the NQSBBK. Do I need other brackets than the one Dave supplied to me? What choices do we have on the 315mm?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 06, 2012, 11:54:28 am
I think these calipers tops at 315mm. Dave mentioned something about a 315mm 2 pieces AP Racing rotor but I think the idea was dropped since the rotors are hugely more expensive than the standard 312mm.

315 mm is a popular diameter for AP rotors. There's lots of choices on patterns, thicknesses and vent types.

Diameter isn't the problem, it's the annulus (sweet area) and thickness 24-25mm at a reasonable cost and quality.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 08, 2012, 09:27:29 am
Getting very tempted with all of this :party:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 08, 2012, 11:21:02 am
I'm not sure if anyone has asked this but how do these calipers compare with the standard gti calipers in terms of weight

I guess the Porsche VW ones are heavier?

Edit - sorry meant VW heavier, but question answered thanks. :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jimk04 on July 08, 2012, 01:28:30 pm
Much lighter.!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 08, 2012, 01:40:29 pm
Much Much lighter.!

Fixed that for ya  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 08, 2012, 01:43:14 pm

Can you make my rotors Much much Lighter Dave   :love:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 08, 2012, 01:45:33 pm
Certainly that'll be £1400 plus VAT please.......

Simples.....

 :star: :star: :star: :star: :star: :star:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 08, 2012, 01:46:17 pm

 :sad1:

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 13, 2012, 09:27:13 pm
Look what arrived last week  :party:

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Now they are with Dave B getting a refurb :happy2:

Does anyone have any experience with these pads?? I cannot seem to find out very much regarding them.

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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: matsu on July 18, 2012, 10:01:56 am
quick bit of advice needed please fellow nsbbk users!
i needed new pads and discs at last service a few weeks ago and i opted as a cheapskate to go with europarts parts and im squealing like a pig!!!
do i need to ask if they fitted the anti rattle shims....or do i just stump up and buy better pads :sad1:

if so can anyone give me a nce option for pads please.
thanks in advance
matsu
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 18, 2012, 01:51:57 pm
I am running mine without the antirattle shims at the moment and without squeel. Whereas the shims helped with previous pads, I have got away with a good dollop of Ceratec on the back of my current pads and a bit more on the piston faces for good measure  :happy2:

That picture above shows copper grease on the back of the pads - get that wiped off if you have not already done so and use Ceratec. The petroleum based copper grease rots away the rubber dust seals on Brembo calipers.

I found that any squeel fades away with a couple of weeks of use; if not I found that another reapplication of  Ceratec sorted things out despite there being plenty there in the first place.

PS those Galfer-made pads are good!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on July 18, 2012, 07:13:02 pm
yep they are OE pads.... Galfer ONLY make for OE manufacturer.

The give away is the "351" in the part number....that refers to front brakes on Porsches

That's an OEM set of £190 brake pads you've got there pal

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 18, 2012, 07:52:21 pm
Great news :happy2:

Ok so copper grease removed, anti squeal shims ready to be ordered, calipers getting refurbed :jumpmove:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: mkviken on July 18, 2012, 08:41:47 pm
DAVEB1970 I've sent you a PM regarding this kit



cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on July 19, 2012, 11:23:48 pm
Has anyone fitted these behind BBS CH 026 wheels (19x8j ET50)

My stance is perfect for me and I dont want spacers so if these do not fit I'll have to settle for some R32 brakes i think.

If the answer to this is yes they will fit fine...

Dave. can you still get the new calipers? If so how much to supply:

New calipers painted red
Mounting kit and hoses
Fast road pads (I have no plans for track days)
All wires and anti vibration shims etc.

Just a total price delivered inc vat etc.

Many thanks and no rush as I know your busy but at least this way I can budget it properly.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on July 20, 2012, 04:07:36 pm
That picture above shows copper grease on the back of the pads - get that wiped off if you have not already done so and use Ceratec. The petroleum based copper grease rots away the rubber dust seals on Brembo calipers.

 :happy2:

Copper grease also does harm to alloy parts (calipers) and ABS sensors.
Pagid Ceratec and other ceramic based antiseize pastes are ones to be used on current cars.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: nadlad on July 20, 2012, 06:04:40 pm
I have a nqsbbk for sale again it's a daveb special. Completely brand spanking new included oem pads and anti rattle shims and fitting kit bargain price of £700

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If you know daveb then you know the  quality of these refurbs
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: jedi-knight83 on July 20, 2012, 07:58:14 pm
^^^^^
very tempting....

Still need to confirm these would fit behind OEM BBS CH 19x8 et50 without spacers.

Also.. DaveB.. how much for a set of OEM 312mm discs with the centre bit machined out (the bit the porsche pad doesn't sweep) and with the hub painted black please.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: nadlad on July 20, 2012, 08:33:40 pm
Yes they do fit mate
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
Post by: bodger00 on July 26, 2012, 08:02:33 am
Hi Dave

A little bit cheaper here

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2004/p/Car-Parts/Brakes/Brake-Friction/Brake-Pads/?101339140&1&22df71167343859f5639361dfd47d4b34da7660b&BKPA (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2004/p/Car-Parts/Brakes/Brake-Friction/Brake-Pads/?101339140&1&22df71167343859f5639361dfd47d4b34da7660b&BKPA)

The ECP branches tend to keep them in stock haggle for 15% your local porsche centre can also give you 20% if he's in the mood, they're a service item so they can help with the price.

The price ECP quote is the same price as Porsche Dealers so haggle away for quiet brakes!! PS same as the 996 Front so if you see them on ebay get em bought

Also if you use discount code "chat100" you get 25% off  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 29, 2012, 09:22:21 pm
Guys where does this clip come from?

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi975.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae235%2Fbodger00%2Fclip.jpg&hash=ce2e6fa3c19597478110ef7b7a6635c13c2d3cfe)

I have refitted the standard clip but mine just sits in there and rattles a bit :surprised:

Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on July 29, 2012, 11:06:10 pm
That should be part of the brake hose kit that you buy.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 30, 2012, 09:22:53 am
That should be part of the brake hose kit that you buy.

Dave supplied them to me with the HEL hose kit  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on July 30, 2012, 09:51:02 am
There are a few of these as refurb candidates on eBay at the moment at a reasonable price

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-986-Boxster-Brembo-Offside-Front-Brake-Caliper-/330770703873?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d03786601 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-986-Boxster-Brembo-Offside-Front-Brake-Caliper-/330770703873?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d03786601)

...and it's partner for the other side being sold separately
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: matsu on July 30, 2012, 01:48:00 pm
Guys
Anyone got part numbers/or link for decent but reasonable pads and anti rattle shims for the porkers. Mine are Europarts and squeak like a trapped budgie. Driving me insane lol
Thank you
Matsu
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bodger00 on July 30, 2012, 08:31:05 pm
That should be part of the brake hose kit that you buy.

Dave supplied them to me with the HEL hose kit  :happy2:

Received them this morning from Dave. I guess you sent them Friday Dave but the delivery company did not stick to the next day delivery. Oh well it's a bit too late to fit these so I may have to modify them to fit to stop the hose from moving around. I'm not about to disconnect it all now....
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on August 02, 2012, 04:51:28 pm
Guys
Anyone got part numbers/or link for decent but reasonable pads and anti rattle shims for the porkers. Mine are Europarts and squeak like a trapped budgie. Driving me insane lol
Thank you
Matsu

I've put some pagid ceratec gel on the back of the pads & so far no squeak(fingers crossed)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: gazbutS3 on August 02, 2012, 05:02:01 pm
Guys
Anyone got part numbers/or link for decent but reasonable pads and anti rattle shims for the porkers. Mine are Europarts and squeak like a trapped budgie. Driving me insane lol
Thank you
Matsu

I've put some pagid ceratec gel on the back of the pads & so far no squeak(fingers crossed)

the ceratec grease is on offer at my local ECP, £2.63 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: spb on August 10, 2012, 01:20:06 pm
What spacers do I need to clear the calipers using the stock 18" Pescara (Rockingham) wheels? Would 10mm be enough?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on August 10, 2012, 03:18:24 pm
Yes my friend... 10mm hubcentric ones preferably.
Usually 3mm it's enough (I heard) but I would take hubcentric spacers (which are greater than 8mm)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on August 10, 2012, 03:23:57 pm


when i was running the nqsbbk behind the std ed30 pescara i ran a 5mm spacer and that was enough to clear the 986 boxster/cayman caliper  :happy2:

if you want 8mm hubcentric spacers i just bought some H&R Trak spacers with longer bolts from Damian at DPM Performance, next day delivery
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: keendean on August 12, 2012, 07:34:04 am
I have bbs 18" rz alloys. From reading, the definitive answer is a 3mm spacer on the front? Is it noticeable? Im going to need new longer bolts and a new locking wheel nut too.
Where is the cheapest,  best place to source these? Im trying to get costs together  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 12, 2012, 07:48:17 am

What colour are your BBS? I have the 20 bolts I used to fit my wheels over Porsche brakes with 3mm spacer. With black plastic (oem VAG) nut covers, spare
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: keendean on August 13, 2012, 12:02:33 pm
Hi Mike,


Saw your car at Alex's the other day, very clean :)

I have silver RZ's, so they won't look all that in black, but thanks for the offer.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on August 13, 2012, 01:01:29 pm
Hi Mike,


Saw your car at Alex's the other day, very clean :)

I have silver RZ's, so they won't look all that in black, but thanks for the offer.

Thanks mate, she's due a propper detail  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: keendean on August 17, 2012, 08:00:57 am
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_2.0_2006/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-disc/?104441508&1&f5a875d9d7038d163b9ccfe3558710eca5c1d022&000027

These are OE Golf fit, or from VW they are £63 each.

Or can you buy the OE Brembo discs from ECP, if so what are the part numbers and price?

If I buy any disc, you need to remove 2mm from the outter edge.  I'm going to be using OE pads, so want to match evenly and of course cost effectively, I can't see me tracking it  :smiley:
Any pointers appreciated, thanks  :drinking:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: biffobear on August 22, 2012, 08:41:36 pm
when bleeding the calipers, is it best to open one bleed nipple per caliper, or open the two nipples?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on August 23, 2012, 09:37:11 am
One nipple at a time. and i think you do the one nearest the car first. if not someone will correct me  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: biffobear on August 23, 2012, 09:25:59 pm
thanks for that, will be fitting the calipers, with new discs and pads next week sometime.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: biffobear on August 30, 2012, 09:18:29 pm
fitted my big brake kit today, all went ok till i bolted the wheels on, BBS ch.s catching on calipers, think i will need 10mm spacers.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on August 30, 2012, 10:59:22 pm
BBS CH 8x18 ET50 ??
Yeah, you need spacers then.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: biffobear on August 31, 2012, 10:14:55 am
sorry, forgot to say, 18in,thought they would have been ok without spacers.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: keendean on August 31, 2012, 04:17:23 pm
I'm fitting in two weeks, with RZ's, I've been told this **should** be OK. Are RZ's and CH's the offset? Did not want spacers if I could help it  :sad1:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 05, 2012, 03:37:10 pm
Just come to my attention that there are other brackets being manufactured and sold which are a so called direct copy of the brackets I supply.

I would simply urge anybody looking to buy a fitting kit to do their homework.

There is a reason I can't have my stuff made for the price of these other brackets and that's quality.

Mine are 7075 Ali with M12x1.25 helicoil inserts, they're manufactured from the material Boeing make wing spars from and then hard anodised.

They are strong, tested to destruction and have suffered Fatigue analysis , they are manufactured in the same facility that Red Bull Racing have many of their components made.

There's a certain Leicester based company that have been playing catch up with me for a number of years, they simply wait for me to develop a bracket and then copy it.  That's are far as I'll be drawn, but consider quality consider backup and also ask the question before you buy about product liability insurance copies of mine are available on request.

These are brakes folks, let's not mess about.

I've had a call today from a guy who's bought some and put simply they don't fit and are not even helicoiled. Car is on the ramp at APS labour isn't cheap

It's important to remember that it's not just the first owner of these brackets that will be fitting them, they will inevitably end up in the classifieds many times  .......mine will last ages.

I'm really busy developing kits for global markets now for £100k Audis but I still log into here first when I get home, I enjoy putting these sort of NQSBBK kits together and would hate to find myself not able to through a lack of support.

I can't patent a shape nor is it my exclusive right to sell this sort of stuff to the GTI driving public, I would however ask you all to consider safety, quality and longevity before parting with your hard earned. I've got about 13 kits left and am reducing the price of the kit including hoses and super fine special order bolts now to £199 inc VAT plus shipping. I probably won't make any more after that.

If the bracket doesn't have www.vagbremtechnic.com and CC1037 engraved via CNC onto it then buyer beware.

Hopefully we'll get some pictures up in a bit to show people what to avoid and what their hundred odd quid gets them.

Sorry to rant, had it happen many times previously and always a sad day

Dave
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on September 05, 2012, 03:47:31 pm
More than happy with my kit I got off you Dave!!

The quality and fitment is spot on! Most trouble free mod I've fitted to my edition 30

 :happy2:  more than happy to recommend you
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: berg on September 05, 2012, 03:47:51 pm
Just come to my attention that there are other brackets being manufactured and sold which are a so called direct copy of the brackets I supply.

I would simply urge anybody looking to buy a fitting kit to do their homework.

There is a reason I can't have my stuff made for the price of these other brackets and that's quality.

Mine are 7075 Ali with M12x1.25 helicoil inserts, they're manufactured from the material Boeing make wing spars from and then hard anodised.

They are strong, tested to destruction and have suffered Fatigue analysis , they are manufactured in the same facility that Red Bull Racing have many of their components made.

There's a certain Leicester based company that have been playing catch up with me for a number of years, they simply wait for me to develop a bracket and then copy it.  That's are far as I'll be drawn, but consider quality consider backup and also ask the question before you buy about product liability insurance copies of mine are available on request.

These are brakes folks, let's not mess about.

I've had a call today from a guy who's bought some and put simply they don't fit and are not even helicoiled. Car is on the ramp at APS labour isn't cheap

It's important to remember that it's not just the first owner of these brackets that will be fitting them, they will inevitably end up in the classifieds many times  .......mine will last ages.

I'm really busy developing kits for global markets now for £100k Audis but I still log into here first when I get home, I enjoy putting these sort of NQSBBK kits together and would hate to find myself not able to through a lack of support.

I can't patent a shape nor is it my exclusive right to sell this sort of stuff to the GTI driving public, I would however ask you all to consider safety, quality and longevity before parting with your hard earned. I've got about 13 kits left and am reducing the price of the kit including hoses and super fine special order bolts now to £199 inc VAT plus shipping. I probably won't make any more after that.

If the bracket doesn't have www.vagbremtechnic.com and CC1037 engraved via CNC onto it then buyer beware.

Hopefully we'll get some pictures up in a bit to show people what to avoid and what their hundred odd quid gets them.

Sorry to rant, had it happen many times previously and always a sad day

Dave


accept no substitute, buy off dave or dont buy at all  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bacillus on September 05, 2012, 04:00:19 pm
I've got about 13 kits left and am reducing the price of the kit including hoses and super fine special order bolts now to £199 inc VAT plus shipping. I probably won't make any more after that.

Sorry for the novice question but does the kit include calipers or do you have to get those seperately?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: taff-turbo on September 05, 2012, 06:36:10 pm
fitting kit only. you'll have to source your own calipers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DFish on September 05, 2012, 07:18:38 pm
Now if only I could get you to stop flying the jetset around for a week I might be getting some nice AP's on the car. ;) (Joking mate)

Fish
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on September 05, 2012, 08:18:59 pm
another NQSBBK user here, got the complete kit from DaveB, and its awesome, can wholeheartily recommend, even my mechanic commented on the quality and ease of fitting!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bacillus on September 05, 2012, 08:35:58 pm
another NQSBBK user here, got the complete kit from DaveB, and its awesome, can wholeheartily recommend, even my mechanic commented on the quality and ease of fitting!

What price are we looking at here?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: AndyED30 on September 05, 2012, 09:34:50 pm
another NQSBBK user here, got the complete kit from DaveB, and its awesome, can wholeheartily recommend, even my mechanic commented on the quality and ease of fitting!

What price are we looking at here?

Read the thread and take in the info, well worth every penny it'll take to get a kit together including the fitting kit from Dave!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: nadlad on September 05, 2012, 10:48:14 pm
I had the nqssbk off daveb top bloke the adapters were very very good quality lightweight and solid.

This Leicester company should be named shamed and then boycotted
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 06, 2012, 09:39:59 pm
Ok if we're naming and shaming

Porschecalipers.co.uk

Have approached a customer of mine that has a yet unfitted nqsbbk.

Offering to rent the carriers copy them and return.

Same company also supplied some carriers to a customer which didn't fit when on the ramp.

Mods

All facts name numbers supplied on request.

This isn't what this thread is about.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: RENNTAG on September 07, 2012, 01:19:19 pm
^^^ Cheeky monkeys  :rolleye:

Oh dave you have a PM about some discs and pads  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Dan648v on September 07, 2012, 01:52:54 pm


Things like this in the vag world, i.e quality, fitment and costs, they spread like wild fire and if someones pushing said crap they soon get found out and avoided!

Companies like this kill themselves eventually. A shame but i feel you'll be fine!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Andy947 on September 13, 2012, 08:24:16 pm
Dave, a PM will be coming you way very shortly!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: dan930 on September 14, 2012, 02:22:51 pm
I've had the nqsbbk kit on my car since July..it's brilliant,I'm running normal pagid pads at the moment & was wondering if there was a better pad for more bite but without the squeal noise...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: kirkus on October 29, 2012, 08:28:25 am
Dave,
Can you please tell me what is included in the fitting kit?
Also, do you have any calipers kit left?
Thanks,
George
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on October 29, 2012, 08:41:36 am
I might be able to help you, my friend...
2x brackets + Hel brake lines (for GTI and nqsbbk caliper) + bolts.
If you are interested in the nqsbbk, you might want to check the sales section where Dave is selling some discs for this!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: kirkus on October 29, 2012, 09:40:59 am
Thanks Rex,

I saw the discs thread and the fitting kit mystery is solved.
Still missing the calipers :)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on October 29, 2012, 09:46:16 am
The kit comprises

aluminium Caliper carriers, hard anodised and helicoiled.

For additional strength we use M12x1.25 bolts which are supplied, these are a higher specification thread pitch than even High end OEM applications and are more commonly found on F1 cars! These are manufactured in the UK and not India where 95% of UK supplied bolts arrive from

The carriers are engraved via CNC with CC1037 on them, if they don't have this engraved they aren't mine, the carriers are manufactured on a MAZAK CNC Miller, the serial numbered machine before the one we use got delivered to Mclaren. The same machine supply's lots of components to a certain F1 team that gives you wings.......

The hoses are manufactured by a HEL Dealer to my own custom specification and length, the official female VAG fitting doesn't fit inside the bracket in the inner wing and also doesn't have the double concave female profile so we use one that does that also fits in the inner wing with a mod which is supplied.

So top quality stuff we don't skimp in any area.

To answer the question after the marketing BS

Got some kits left

Bolts/Carriers/Hoses


ALSO.......forgot to mention....

I've been really struggling to get through the amount of refurbishment work that I was taking on so enlisted some help, so Jonny from brake Caliper refurbs had recently formed a small business set up to refurbish multi piston Calipers. It was mainly formed to service and refurbish larger OEM Calipers as he works with a load of high end supercars normally ending in a vowel...

Anyway he had a dig around under my stairs promptly found a load of stuff that I didn't remember having and can now offer NQSBBK refurbs from stock for immediate dispatch on an EXCHANGE basis....here's how It works...

Buy a set of Boxster Calipers from eBay or a breakers and send them to Jonny, he checks them over and sends you a refurbed set straight away, he's got (I had!) six sets of Boxster fronts in the system as well as the 6 pots and 8 pots that he makes his living from...

I got roped in to fitting some gallardo Calipers to a TTRS about two weeks ago, like an idiot I left a bleed nipple cracked on the side that I wasn't bleeding.....frustrated as to why I couldn't get a pedal I looked across and saw this freshly refurbed Gallardo Caliper dripping in brake fluid.....apparently as part of the service he'd put some of his tricky composite ceramic coating on them and it saved the day....I used to get very fed up with installers who made my Calipers have white stripes and bubbly paint so its fair to say they'll keep the finish for longer and in fairness the finish he's getting is much better than I ever achieved anyhow enjoy the brake pic porn here http://www.facebook.com/BrakeCaliperRefurbs (http://www.facebook.com/BrakeCaliperRefurbs)

He's doing about 3-4 sets a week with good turnarounds, so as opposed to me driving people mad and their stuff taking ages speak to Jonny who'll sort you out sooner with a better job!

Just to confirm I'm not financially involved with it (other than he's robbed borrowed my Caliper stash) so give him a shout at jonny@brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on October 29, 2012, 12:20:45 pm
What a great idea and service!  :happy2:

My NQS BBK is still nice and shiney but I will keep this in mind.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: MC71 on November 27, 2012, 04:11:39 pm
PM incoming Dave. Are there any fitting kits left?

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 01, 2012, 08:42:14 am
Wow, just read this thread start to finish.  ANd after a few PMs from Dave I know where my money is going on brakes.

Thanks for the help Dave, just need Jonny to come back to me now
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: MC71 on December 01, 2012, 01:11:37 pm
Getting confused on pads! Can someone point me in the right direction of the exact Textar Boxster pads I need for this setup? PM's welcome. Thanks peeps.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bacillus on December 01, 2012, 01:40:38 pm
I think this is what you need but double check with someone more knowledgeable than me.
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_Boxster_2.7_2006/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101330166&1&ed1e673c028d1eeccb115b352ac8f007c02590f9&000036
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on December 01, 2012, 02:24:42 pm
Never had as much success with textar as Porsche do with OEM heard reports of squeaky brakes. All depends on how much you save over a DS2500 I guess.

Dampeners a must with textar I would say
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 01, 2012, 04:32:55 pm
Brakes now ordered, let stage 2 commence  :laugh:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: WolverineMAc on December 02, 2012, 07:28:21 pm
Do I have to source everything myself or can I buy everything from Dave. How much should the kit cost?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on December 02, 2012, 08:07:40 pm
I've got a couple of fitting kits about and also found some fitting kits which work with S3 hubs if somebody wants to do a super lightweight version.

Calipers speak to Jonny@brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk and take a look at www.facebook.com/brakecaliperrefurbs

I speak to him a lot as he's doing a load of big stuff for me currently and he's got a STACK of Boxster fronts knocking about him after last week, some he's putting into stock for the exchange scheme and some he might part with at handy money..

Im not sure but I think that's what's Oli's doing, I drive past Jonnys place most days so can drop in a fitting kit to save on shipping. I can help with anything fast road and sillier regarding pads

AGAIN I'm not financially involved with Jonny just mega mega impressed with the stuff he's churning out
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 07, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
Yes mine are ordered from Jonny.  Just need to know if I'm going to need a spacer on the front?  anyone?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: bacillus on December 07, 2012, 09:19:08 pm
Yes mine are ordered from Jonny.  Just need to know if I'm going to need a spacer on the front?  anyone?

iirc you need a minimum 3mm spacer with Monzas so be prepared if you have the standard rims.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 08, 2012, 08:46:18 am
Im on 19" Glendale's - 7.5 x 19 ET51
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rich83 on December 08, 2012, 12:08:54 pm
Johnnys finishing does look excellent.  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 09, 2012, 07:40:59 am
Johnnys finishing does look excellent.  :happy2:

Should look brand new. Just wondering whether to have Porsche, brembo or no logo on them. Think I will go the latter.

Anyone for any thoughts on spacers?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on December 09, 2012, 03:05:46 pm
Oli

If you get some nasty non hub centric 5mm spacers of the bay, I can supply you some Spiggot extenders that I have machined for the TTRS 8 piston setup.

So the spacers take 5mm of Spiggot away but we then add it back on.

I'd be very surprised if you needed anything more than that if anything
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on December 09, 2012, 06:38:26 pm
Oli

If you get some nasty non hub centric 5mm spacers of the bay, I can supply you some Spiggot extenders that I have machined for the TTRS 8 piston setup.

So the spacers take 5mm of Spiggot away but we then add it back on.

I'd be very surprised if you needed anything more than that if anything

Thanks Dave

Brakes will be here this week, will let you know
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on January 03, 2013, 12:44:02 pm
My Calipers are all refurbished and on route to me from Brake Caliper refurbs, pictures to follow.

My new VW discs turned up yesterday so I sent them off to the engineering shop to have the unused bit removed from the inner and outer faces.  On Daves instructions, I have removed 7mm in by 1mm deep on both sides, as can be seen in the pictures.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2F51C45A21-2D73-4B8D-845C-425CDBB862AD-4462-0000022EAEDEBA8A.jpg&hash=6068b1e5caba817e69b4af009e0df279eb22ec1d)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FBE21F4F5-84B0-4ED5-BF3A-4895E8033336-4462-0000022EB4BF0DC1.jpg&hash=25f9578225b01a0fe2f4eb49f0ba5fc74d9bfb79)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FE30B1ED9-2176-48C9-B399-51AA3A2EAD9C-4462-0000022EBA46B44F.jpg&hash=31030243fdd4d90371275fc6dce8b61041fd5c00)

The next job will be to paint (hammarite) this new metalwork and the disc bell in black, to prevent rusting and just genrally make them look better - I will also remove the rear discs and do the same, as there is signs of rust o these.

I have Ferodo DS2500 pads to go on, which should give me all the braking I should require for fast road.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Hedge on January 03, 2013, 12:50:11 pm
Halfords Matt Black VHT exhaust paint is where it's at Oli.  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 03, 2013, 03:41:28 pm
Cracking Job Oli

Its really not that hard to find somebody local to do small jobs like this. It generally only gets expensive when precision is required, a quick setup and a 7mm swipe cost what Oli? 30-40 Quid??

SO about £120 all told for some consumables

I love it when people get involved like this, this is what the NQSBBK is about cheap quality stoppers with a bit of involvement from the user
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on January 03, 2013, 06:48:08 pm
Dave, I got it done FOC at my local engineering shop because I spend a few quid with them.  But I suspect no more than £40
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 03, 2013, 06:49:02 pm
Dave fanncy throwing your brake knowledge about tin this thread  :happy2:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,59104.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,59104.0.html)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: ferg on January 04, 2013, 12:27:55 pm
Hi guys. I'm new here and just reading with interest, this brake mod. Kudos to Dave as it looks very impressive. Just wondering do you know of any one who has fitted this mod to a scirocco. I don't see any mention of it on the scirocco forums. I'd be very tempted to give it a try :-)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Deacon on January 04, 2013, 12:30:41 pm
Several people have done it - wigit on here and also daveb himself I believe - along with many others. Not sure which Rocco forum you've been looking on but it's definitely on central.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: wigit on January 04, 2013, 12:47:50 pm
Fitted this kit to my rocco, great upgrade but needs spacers with stock interlagos rims, I ran tds so plenty of clearance, just waiting for mine to come back from refurbishers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: ferg on January 04, 2013, 01:17:37 pm
Thanks guys for replies. I must look on central. Wigit did you have any other problems bar the clearance?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rd071174 on January 04, 2013, 03:41:02 pm
Hi Dave,

I bought the BBK  Audi RS 6 B5 from you in 2011. But it never worked well on my GTI (MK5). The steering wheel vibrates constantly when braking. A engineering shop checked both disc, and they are oke. I removed the BBK and are now driving on normal/standard brake kit.
Sorry to bother you this way, but I could not contact you via email. Probably the wrong email address. Can you PM me for a solution or help?

Thanks,

Ronald
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: Oli on January 04, 2013, 06:12:40 pm
Look whats going in the post to me today;

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2F136CC8C7-33D1-40E3-9CEC-BC3A47E680BD-8180-000003E4895154EC.jpg&hash=25c0d0a2ae4d9c4943fb00156e13e731d0f53cb2)

Nearly there.  Still unsure of whether I need spacers or not on the Glendale 19's, but will be going on next week so will find out  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: AndyED30 on January 04, 2013, 07:36:45 pm
Look whats going in the post to me today;

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2F136CC8C7-33D1-40E3-9CEC-BC3A47E680BD-8180-000003E4895154EC.jpg&hash=25c0d0a2ae4d9c4943fb00156e13e731d0f53cb2)

Nearly there.  Still unsure of whether I need spacers or not on the Glendale 19's, but will be going on next week so will find out  :happy2:

I've got 8mm H&R hubcentric spacers on my NQSBBK with Pescaras and the clearance is perfect giving about 5mm.

Go for it!  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: lm_gauci on January 04, 2013, 10:42:31 pm
Those calipers look awesome. One thing though, are those brembo stickers larger than usual?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: MC71 on January 04, 2013, 10:44:40 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2F136CC8C7-33D1-40E3-9CEC-BC3A47E680BD-8180-000003E4895154EC.jpg&hash=25c0d0a2ae4d9c4943fb00156e13e731d0f53cb2)

WOW!  :notworthy:

After seeing these I've remembered I need to get mine done so have just pinged Jonny an email. I much prefer the 986 calipers with Brembo on them instead of Porsche (when not on a porsche that is).

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: monte on January 04, 2013, 11:01:19 pm
Halfords Matt Black VHT exhaust paint is where it's at Oli.  :happy2:

I agree.  :happy2: The finish is amazing with the VHT Paint.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on January 15, 2013, 07:46:19 pm
had my NQSBBK well over a year now, still loving it, DaveB any chance of a Rear setup in a similar vain, to compliment the front?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: the bruce on January 16, 2013, 02:58:08 pm
The stock rear brakes DO COMPLEMENT the NQSBBK perfectly !! That's why it works so good.

 :wink:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: muckipup on January 16, 2013, 05:27:43 pm
In the DIY spirit, I cut a doughnut shaped template which left the inner edges of the disk, that were not swept by the brake pads, and the bell area exposed and treated to some VHT paint which worked very well. Even where a little paint got on to the swept area, it was quite a powdery effect to the paint which simply got pushed away after a few brake applications to leave a nice round edge....this was without machining away any metal work.

This was on untreated discs. I had less success with Pagid discs which already have a grey protective coating - the VHT didn't stick so well and came off with pressure washing.

Either way, both had a better end result that the £200 or so that I spent on pre-treated Black Diamond grooved discs which was showing clear signs of rust showing through after only 2 weeks!! So much for the black phosphate coat that they used supposedly being rust proof - they were off the car within 6 weeks as they looked so bad. In my experience, forget the fancy stuff, save the money and treat the discs yourself.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on January 16, 2013, 07:44:50 pm
The stock rear brakes DO COMPLEMENT the NQSBBK perfectly !! That's why it works so good.

 :wink:

not on newer models where the rear brakes are only 255mm  :scared:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 16, 2013, 08:06:29 pm
Working on a 335mm rear which'll be low cost, uses a separate handbrake Caliper which are expensive.

First kit goes on a TTRS this weekend funnily enough
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on January 16, 2013, 08:23:16 pm
not on newer models where the rear brakes are only 255mm  :scared:

As far as I know only Scirocco 2.0 TSI have 255mm on the back. Are you referring to these or to GTI or vRS?
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Post by: daz_pd on January 17, 2013, 12:26:50 am
not on newer models where the rear brakes are only 255mm  :scared:

As far as I know only Scirocco 2.0 TSI have 255mm on the back. Are you referring to these or to GTI or vRS?

Referring to my fl vrs, might not be a small As that, I'm just going from memory
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Post by: the bruce on January 17, 2013, 01:50:22 am
In the DIY spirit, I cut a doughnut shaped template which left the inner edges of the disk, that were not swept by the brake pads, and the bell area exposed and treated to some VHT paint which worked very well. Even where a little paint got on to the swept area, it was quite a powdery effect to the paint which simply got pushed away after a few brake applications to leave a nice round edge....this was without machining away any metal work.

This was on untreated discs. I had less success with Pagid discs which already have a grey protective coating - the VHT didn't stick so well and came off with pressure washing.

Either way, both had a better end result that the £200 or so that I spent on pre-treated Black Diamond grooved discs which was showing clear signs of rust showing through after only 2 weeks!! So much for the black phosphate coat that they used supposedly being rust proof - they were off the car within 6 weeks as they looked so bad. In my experience, forget the fancy stuff, save the money and treat the discs yourself.

fully agree !!  :happy2:

I used DupliColor SuperTherm 800°.


not on newer models where the rear brakes are only 255mm  :scared:

Newer Mk.VI GTI and RS come with 272 x 10 mm rear rotors and Bosch calipers instead
of the previous 286 x 12 rotors and TRW calipers (or the 255 on the lesser models).

At least on the GTI and Scirocco the 272 mm are sufficient on track. Volkswagen even
usesd the small 255 rear on their 24h GT Scirocco (with 355 mm AP Racing on front).
On the heavier Octavia RS that may be another story.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 17, 2013, 07:49:33 am
There's a new supermod on the rears which works very well.....complements the NQS wonderfully is lightweight doesn't cost much and is superdooper stealthy.

Just going to speak to the buy whos got it fitted and see if its broadcastable!

This chap doesn't shout about all his mods normally (as he drives around the outside of people)
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Post by: MC71 on January 20, 2013, 05:29:33 pm
Help needed peeps. What's the part number for the Dampeners for the 986 NQS BBK? Are these the correct shims? Seem cheap to me.  :confused:


Clich here (http://www.carparts911.co.uk/cp911/c/Porsche_Cayman_2.7_2008/p/car-parts/car-service-parts/regular-service/brake-pads/?101339180&1&9883ba96f046cf9f09c5e4185224d96a587dd1c6&000036")




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Post by: RENNTAG on January 20, 2013, 05:32:57 pm
Yeah im pretty sure they are the ones.

Yes cheap there is not much to them.
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Post by: bacillus on January 20, 2013, 07:04:41 pm
No, you need these http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2004/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101339140&1&f8b915588bfab776fd869eb6b266c62ee02e45fb&000036
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: daz_pd on January 20, 2013, 07:38:00 pm
There's a new supermod on the rears which works very well.....complements the NQS wonderfully is lightweight doesn't cost much and is superdooper stealthy.

Just going to speak to the buy whos got it fitted and see if its broadcastable!

This chap doesn't shout about all his mods normally (as he drives around the outside of people)

very interesting! considering the S3/R32 route atm, dont want anything thats bigger on the the rear (335mm you mentioned?) than the 312mm on the front though!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: taff-turbo on January 20, 2013, 09:38:10 pm
Working on a 335mm rear which'll be low cost, uses a separate handbrake Caliper which are expensive.

First kit goes on a TTRS this weekend funnily enough
any more info/news??? :happy2:
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Post by: lm_gauci on January 20, 2013, 11:20:47 pm
These might be of some use to someone, not mine or anything to do with me.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-FRONT-Pagid-Race-Brake-Pads-BOXSTER-S-2-5-96-99-2-7-08-99-/221179798192?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337f57e2b0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-FRONT-Pagid-Race-Brake-Pads-BOXSTER-S-2-5-96-99-2-7-08-99-/221179798192?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337f57e2b0)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 20, 2013, 11:58:46 pm
theyre boxster S pads unfortunately....
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 21, 2013, 12:19:00 am
Working on a 335mm rear which'll be low cost, uses a separate handbrake Caliper which are expensive.

First kit goes on a TTRS this weekend funnily enough
any more info/news??? :happy2:

Yes well the TTRS has an extra track width of 10mm per corner allowing me to get all sorts of bracketry in there to replace the OEM setup completely with RS6 335mm rear drilled discs, porsche calipers and brembo handbrake calipers. Just done 9 kits for now and they've all sold

Working on something more cost effective for MK5/6/R32 the problem is these RS6 discs are £600 retail but are dimensionally perfect and directional

But heres Jamies TT with the kit fitted, the other 8 kits ship this week all over from Harrogate to Sydney Australia

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft245%2Fjamiekip%2FC31BD44F-C579-4D2E-A387-C42AD2251079-7191-00000A2CC66C6736.jpg&hash=0cb46c5f53064fcd9e9a4443c9543e669d137c92)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 21, 2013, 12:36:50 am
Ok the other mod that I thought might be of interest to the NQS users is a rear caliper upgrade.

Basically the standard GTI Caliper has a 38mm piston and is configured for a 12mm wide disc.

Next upgrade along is the S3 or R32 setup goes to a 41mm piston and a 22mm wide disc

So what if we had a 41mm version of the stock GTI caliper which was plug and play.

Dont forget we always talk about diameter when we talk about our discs, brake engineers never discuss diameter as it doenst matter for sh1t.

Radius and effective radius at that is where its at.

So we use a 286mm disc instead of a 310mm disc thats a 12mm reduction in radius, if we use the new caliper that hydraulically is the same as the S3 rears, we in essence get S3 bias for GTI money.

So in keeping with the Low Cost high performance ethos of the NQSBBK we now have an alternative upgrade path which weighs an unsprung 9KG less for practically speaking the same performance.

Its here.....we've got some they're off a Caddy van, theres an amount of modding to do to them as they need the handbrake bracketry and feed pipe swapping over which normally works as part of a refurb process. Jonny at BCR has two or three sets stripped down.

Theyre on a members car on here, he may/may not want to cough to running them. The rears were fitted at the same time as the NQSBBK was so difficult to do a like for like but safe to say with the 41mm rears and the NQS the car feels planted under braking as you would expect.

PM me for more info or we can discuss it on here

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Post by: the bruce on January 21, 2013, 06:59:48 am
Due to balance questions this might be of interest for some of you.
Hope I did get all the collected data right.


piston size/area



1. stock front caliper:


Golf/GTI - Ate FN3 54 mm caliper: 2290 mm²

S3/R32/R - FNRG 57 mm: 2552 mm²



2. aftermarket - proper match:


Boxster: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Brembo GT caliper A: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Stoptech ST-40: 38 mm + 34 mm > 908 mm² + 1134 mm² = 2043 mm²



3. aftermarket - poor match:


Forge: 707 mm² + 1046 mm² + 1164 mm² = 2917 mm²

Q7/Touareg/Cayenne (three variants):

34/36/38 mm : 907.920 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 3060 mm²
32/36/38 mm : 804.248 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 2956 mm²
30/34/38 mm : 706.858 + 907.920 + 1134.115 = ~ 2749 mm²



4. master cylinder diameter:

- 22,22 mm >  388 mm² (Mk.V GTI)
- 23,81 mm >  445 mm² (Mk.V R32, Mk.VI GTI, Golf R)
- 25,40 mm >  507 mm² (RS3 + TT-RS)



If you know the piston diameter: Pi * radius² = area


Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
Post by: rex on January 21, 2013, 07:39:02 am
PM me for more info or we can discuss it on here

Dave, how about opening a new thread?
I must say I am interested in this... Will we keep the stock discs or will these be replaced with vented ones?
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Post by: the bruce on January 21, 2013, 08:48:55 am
I'd bet if a stock Caddy caliper is used it needs to be a solid rotor.

ps
Brembo caliper added
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Post by: the bruce on January 22, 2013, 04:22:53 pm



piston size/area



1. stock front caliper:


Golf/GTI - Ate FN3 54 mm caliper: 2290 mm²

S3/R32/R - FNRG 57 mm: 2552 mm²



2. aftermarket - proper match:


AP Racing 6-pot CP7068-00 (355x32 ) > 2350 mm²  :happy2:

Boxster: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Brembo GT caliper A: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Stoptech ST-40: 38 mm + 34 mm > 908 mm² + 1134 mm² = 2043 mm²



3. aftermarket - poor match:


Forge: 707 mm² + 1046 mm² + 1164 mm² = 2917 mm²

Q7/Touareg/Cayenne (three variants):

34/36/38 mm : 907.920 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 3060 mm²
32/36/38 mm : 804.248 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 2956 mm²
30/34/38 mm : 706.858 + 907.920 + 1134.115 = ~ 2749 mm²



4. master cylinder diameter:

- 22,22 mm >  388 mm² (Mk.V GTI)
- 23,81 mm >  445 mm² (Mk.V R32, Mk.VI GTI, Golf R)
- 25,40 mm >  507 mm² (RS3 + TT-RS)



If you know the piston diameter: Pi * radius² = area
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 22, 2013, 08:26:49 pm
GTI is 23.8mm All models
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: the bruce on January 22, 2013, 10:43:31 pm
Thx, Dave.  :happy2:

Refering to ETKA there are both 22.22 and 23.81 mm. Possibly some GTIs exported overseas had the 22.22.

Found some more - Boxster S and 993/996 Turbo:



piston size/area



1. stock front caliper:


Golf/GTI - Ate FN3 54 mm caliper: 2290 mm²

S3/R32/R - FNRG 57 mm: 2552 mm²



2. aftermarket - proper match:


AP Racing 6-pot CP7068-00 (355x32 ) > 2350 mm²

Boxster: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Boxster S: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

993 Turbo: 36 + 44 mm > 1018 mm² + + 1520 mm² = 2538 mm² (on the edge)

Brembo GT Satteltyp A: 40 mm + 36 mm > 1257 mm² + 1018 mm² = 2275 mm²

Stoptech ST-40: 38 mm + 34 mm > 908 mm² + 1134 mm² = 2043 mm²



3. aftermarket - poor match:


Forge: 707 mm² + 1046 mm² + 1164 mm² = 2917 mm²

996 Turbo: 40 + 44 mm >  1257 mm² + 1520 mm² = 2777 mm²

Q7/Touareg/Cayenne (three variants):

34/36/38 mm : 907.920 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 3060 mm²
32/36/38 mm : 804.248 + 1017.876 + 1134.115 = ~ 2956 mm²
30/34/38 mm : 706.858 + 907.920 + 1134.115 = ~ 2749 mm²



4. master cylinder diameter:

- 22,22 mm >  388 mm² (some Mk.V GTI, Mk.V + Mk.VI Golf)
- 23,81 mm >  445 mm² (Mk.V R32, Mk.V GTI, Mk.VI GTI, Golf R)
- 25,40 mm >  507 mm² (RS3 + TT-RS)



If you know the piston diameter: Pi * radius² = area
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: cheungy on January 23, 2013, 02:56:01 pm
So? What is needed & Cost ???  :party:

New Thread for the NQSBBK would be good idea  :happy2:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: jimk04 on January 24, 2013, 09:13:56 am
996 turbo do work well
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Dan648v on January 24, 2013, 09:16:23 am
Interested in this rear nqsbbk! And more importantly who is getting it in Harrogate because I don't know anyone in my town on here??.....
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Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 24, 2013, 09:16:53 am
996 turbo do work well

Even if you do say so (and engineered it) yourself!  :P
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: jimk04 on January 24, 2013, 09:24:25 am
No Mike mine are just 996. WasWas referring to yours!
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Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 24, 2013, 11:44:06 am
No Mike mine are just 996. WasWas referring to yours!

Ah, forgot you had 1st hand (or right foot!) experience!  :driver: :driver:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 24, 2013, 10:48:45 pm
Ok Starting a new thread for NQS Rear Kit...its really no biggy but cheap and works.....
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Biano44 on February 06, 2013, 12:01:56 pm
Hi guys,
I've just ordered the NQSBBK fitting kit from Dave, still trying to locate the Porsche calipers.
What I want to know is, I have a 2008 GT SPORT Golf 2.0 TDI 140. What will I need to fit the kit and the calipers to my car?

312 discs..... Obviously
New pads..... Possibly

Anything else though?

I'm no mechanic so I need all your help.
Cheers.
Matt
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Post by: jimk04 on February 06, 2013, 01:08:14 pm
Some 987 fronts on eBay at the mo
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Post by: Biano44 on February 06, 2013, 01:22:45 pm
Do you have a link please?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: lm_gauci on February 06, 2013, 01:35:58 pm
Heres some, expensive though.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-FRONT-CALIPERS-PORSCHE-BOXSTER-CALIPERS-VW-AUDI-UPGRADE-/290857840878?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3APorsche&hash=item43b87a70ee (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-FRONT-CALIPERS-PORSCHE-BOXSTER-CALIPERS-VW-AUDI-UPGRADE-/290857840878?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3APorsche&hash=item43b87a70ee)
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Post by: jimk04 on February 06, 2013, 02:07:23 pm
300 not bad
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Post by: MC71 on February 06, 2013, 04:15:43 pm
Hi guys,
I've just ordered the NQSBBK fitting kit from Dave, still trying to locate the Porsche calipers.
What I want to know is, I have a 2008 GT SPORT Golf 2.0 TDI 140. What will I need to fit the kit and the calipers to my car?

312 discs..... Obviously
New pads..... Possibly

Anything else though?

I'm no mechanic so I need all your help.
Cheers.
Matt

Try contacting Jonny at brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk via email, I believe Dave said he may have some 986 Calipers ready refurb'd which he may sell.

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Post by: Biano44 on February 06, 2013, 06:25:48 pm
 :happy2:.......thanks for the link. I had seen them but with the refurb costs on top it would work out quite expensive.

Good news though, I spoke to Dave and Jonny today and between us all we have formulated a plan and if it works they will look awesome! :congrats:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: spb on March 14, 2013, 01:52:43 pm
I need spacers to fit the nqsbbk behind my Pescara (Rockingham) Edition 30 wheels. I saw that HR has some 8mm and 10mm hubcentric. My questions are:
1. Will the 8mm clear the calipers?
2. Will the 10mm spacers make the wheels hit the wheel arches under stress (stock suspention)?
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Post by: the bruce on March 14, 2013, 03:43:11 pm
2. Will the 10mm spacers make the wheels hit the wheel arches under stress (stock suspention)?

I cannot answer your 1st question (but guess it will clear).
Unfortunately with spacers of 10 mm you'll have effectively ET41 and this most probably
will cause rubbing issues on hard cornering.
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Post by: spb on March 14, 2013, 03:50:42 pm
:sad:
Do you have any suggestion not to rub the tires in the fenders and still have the nqsbbk behind stock pescara wheels?  :notworthy:
Is there a chance with the 8mm spacers (so virtually ET 43)?
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Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 14, 2013, 04:13:43 pm
2. Will the 10mm spacers make the wheels hit the wheel arches under stress (stock suspention)?

I cannot answer your 1st question (but guess it will clear).
Unfortunately with spacers of 10 mm you'll have effectively ET41 and this most probably
will cause rubbing issues on hard cornering.


Even on stock height?
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Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 14, 2013, 04:18:56 pm
:sad:
Do you have any suggestion not to rub the tires in the fenders and still have the nqsbbk behind stock pescara wheels?  :notworthy:
Is there a chance with the 8mm spacers (so virtually ET 43)?

I'm pretty sure they will clear with 8mm spacers. But will have to wait for someone with Pesky's to confirm.

I have 12mm spacers all-round (Monza II's) and lowered on H&R springs (30mm drop). I did the screw mod on the front and now no rubbing but I do get some rubbing at the rear over humps and dips in the road, when the car is full (as I found out last week when there were 4 of us including my 18 stone mate in the back...the rubbing was only happening on his side :grin:)
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Post by: the bruce on March 14, 2013, 05:49:22 pm
Even on stock height?

Contrary to popular believe ride height does not affect the path the wheel travels on.
Of course at stock ride height it'll rub less often, but it will.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: AndyED30 on March 14, 2013, 08:08:51 pm
:sad:
Do you have any suggestion not to rub the tires in the fenders and still have the nqsbbk behind stock pescara wheels?  :notworthy:
Is there a chance with the 8mm spacers (so virtually ET 43)?

I'm pretty sure they will clear with 8mm spacers. But will have to wait for someone with Pesky's to confirm.

I have 12mm spacers all-round (Monza II's) and lowered on H&R springs (30mm drop). I did the screw mod on the front and now no rubbing but I do get some rubbing at the rear over humps and dips in the road, when the car is full (as I found out last week when there were 4 of us including my 18 stone mate in the back...the rubbing was only happening on his side :grin:)

I run EXACTLY this, absolutely fine, no problem whatsoever and still space left in the arches. I'm on H&R springs which lower the car 30mm with 8mm spacers on Pescaras.

Hope this helps.

Andy.
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Post by: spb on March 15, 2013, 07:38:13 am
Not that only it helps... it made my day  :happy2: . I was really thinking to sell the install kit that I bought from Dave and the calipers. But not I'm looking to buy some 8mm HR hubcentric spacers  :pomppomp:.

Just to nail the conclusion, for later readers in the same situation as I am, and Kalpsn2000 please correct me if I'm wrong... the nqsbkk is cleared behind pescara wheels with 8mm spacers and this kind of extra with doesn't make the tires rub under hard cornering with stock dampers (no even with dropped suspension).
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Post by: rex on March 15, 2013, 07:44:00 am
Basically, yes....
1. You only need a 3mm spacer to clear the Pescara wheels.
2. With the 8mm spacer you will not experience any tire rub when driving normally. I had tire rub with ET50 on the Nurburgring!
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Post by: spb on March 15, 2013, 07:47:05 am
It's clear what Rex is trying to do... making me sell the kit  :P
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Post by: Biano44 on March 15, 2013, 08:44:33 am
Hi Guys,
Why we're on the subject of wheels, I have ordered the NQSBBK and want to know if it will fit behind my ClassiX. My GT Sport is on stock suspension at the moment but I may lower it at a later date. My biggest concern is fitting my new. Rakes behind my wheels. Or will I need spacers?
Cheers
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: rex on March 15, 2013, 09:24:53 am
It's clear what Rex is trying to do... making me sell the kit  :P
Nope, my friend. I'm just trying to give you as much info as I can  :wink:.

Hi Guys,
Why we're on the subject of wheels, I have ordered the NQSBBK and want to know if it will fit behind my ClassiX. My GT Sport is on stock suspension at the moment but I may lower it at a later date. My biggest concern is fitting my new. Rakes behind my wheels. Or will I need spacers?
Cheers
I don't think anyone tried that but I think you will need some spacers.
Measure the distance from the brake disk to the rim spokes (to the left, at the point where the caliper ends in the picture below). With a nqsbbk you need about 62mm of distance (from memory). So if you have 57mm (like the normal 17 inch GTI rims have) than you need 5mm of spacers (and so on).

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP3136358.jpg&hash=ff94e6b1701273cdea78b0b9252d5d75cd396d8c)
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Post by: camfollower on March 15, 2013, 10:20:50 am
Damn that looks close :confused:  I saw someone smash a caliper off a Landy once... not the cheapest of fixes.
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Post by: rex on March 15, 2013, 11:34:01 am
It was only a trial fit and those are OEM Goals. I needed 3mm spacers and I bough 10mm hubcentric ones(the 8mm H&R were not available 2 years ago).
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: the bruce on March 15, 2013, 11:43:56 am
Basically, yes....
1. You only need a 3mm spacer to clear the Pescara wheels.
2. With the 8mm spacer you will not experience any tire rub when driving normally.
I had tire rub with ET50 on the Nurburgring!

That's the point. It isn't enough having sufficient clearence at "normal" driving.
It needs to be sufficient in any driving situation.
Even with 8.0" ET45 + 225 wide tyres + fender screw mod rubbing may occur.
If someone says with ET41 it won't rub he probably drives like a granny. That
doesn't help.
Again, ride height does NOT affect the path the wheel travels. You aren't safe
from rubbing at stock ride height.
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Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 15, 2013, 11:54:24 am
Basically, yes....
1. You only need a 3mm spacer to clear the Pescara wheels.
2. With the 8mm spacer you will not experience any tire rub when driving normally.
I had tire rub with ET50 on the Nurburgring!

That's the point. It isn't enough having sufficient clearence at "normal" driving.
It needs to be sufficient in any driving situation.
Even with 8.0" ET45 + 225 wide tyres + fender screw mod rubbing may occur.
If someone says with ET41 it won't rub he probably drives like a granny. That
doesn't help.
Again, ride height does NOT affect the path the wheel travels. You aren't safe
from rubbing at stock ride height.


True but I would have thought it would be less likely due to more clearance?
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Post by: Biano44 on March 15, 2013, 04:32:20 pm
Hi Guys,
Why we're on the subject of wheels, I have ordered the NQSBBK and want to know if it will fit behind my ClassiX. My GT Sport is on stock suspension at the moment but I may lower it at a later date. My biggest concern is fitting my new. Rakes behind my wheels. Or will I need spacers?
Cheers
I don't think anyone tried that but I think you will need some spacers.
Measure the distance from the brake disk to the rim spokes (to the left, at the point where the caliper ends in the picture below). With a nqsbbk you need about 62mm of distance (from memory). So if you have 57mm (like the normal 17 inch GTI rims have) than you need 5mm of spacers (and so on).

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2FP3136358.jpg&hash=ff94e6b1701273cdea78b0b9252d5d75cd396d8c)
[/quote]

Thanks for that Rex. I have measured the distance this afternoon and it's 55mm from the disk to the inside spokes of the wheel.....Are you saying that an7-8mm spacer would be just enough or plenty? or in other words, would I be better going for 10mm spacers just to be sure?
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Post by: the bruce on March 15, 2013, 06:30:01 pm
True but I would have thought it would be less likely due to more clearance?

Indeed, rubbing is less likely and will occur less often at stock height.  :drinking:
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Post by: AndyED30 on March 15, 2013, 07:18:28 pm
Not that only it helps... it made my day  :happy2: . I was really thinking to sell the install kit that I bought from Dave and the calipers. But not I'm looking to buy some 8mm HR hubcentric spacers  :pomppomp:.

Just to nail the conclusion, for later readers in the same situation as I am, and Kalpsn2000 please correct me if I'm wrong... the nqsbkk is cleared behind pescara wheels with 8mm spacers and this kind of extra with doesn't make the tires rub under hard cornering with stock dampers (no even with dropped suspension).

The reason I went with 8mm is not for the extra clearance but purely because the 'hubcentric' option only comes in at 8mm+ from H&R and I wanted to make sure the spacers were connected with the hubs as well as possible rather than just 'sitting' against them.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fl588%2FAndyED30%2F2012-10-30120020_zps04817aed.jpg&hash=4f6f7fb75603dc9817d6557f8ed8e377716979e1)
Do it, you won't regret it.

Andy.
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Post by: rex on March 22, 2013, 04:54:41 pm
Thanks for that Rex. I have measured the distance this afternoon and it's 55mm from the disk to the inside spokes of the wheel.....Are you saying that an7-8mm spacer would be just enough or plenty? or in other words, would I be better going for 10mm spacers just to be sure?

I think both 8mm and 10mm hubcentric spacers will do the trick!
Personally, I would go with the 8mm one (if it ends up not to be ok, although by my calculations you will have about 3-4mm of clearance, I am sure you will be able to sell them without loosing anything).
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Post by: Ess_Three on March 27, 2013, 04:46:36 am
Is there a definitive answer to the spacer size required for 8.0"x18" ET50 BBS CH025s to clear these brakes?
Will 8mm do the job?
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Post by: MC71 on March 27, 2013, 12:14:18 pm
^^^^ that will be VERY close with 8" ET50. Mine are 8" ET44 and has some room to spare, maybe 7mm max without spacers. I'd get spacers if I were you.

 :happy2:
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Post by: rex on March 27, 2013, 01:06:50 pm
It is not a question of offset (ET)! I have 17inch BBS rims with ET 50 and I have about 7-8mm of clearance (without spacers!).
It depends on each rim individually....
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Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 27, 2013, 01:49:00 pm
It is not a question of offset (ET)! I have 17inch BBS rims with ET 50 and I have about 7-8mm of clearance (without spacers!).
It depends on each rim individually....

It does but offset also comes in to it.

I don't have a close-up but this is mine with 12mm spacers and Monza II's:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo792%2Fkalpsn2000%2FP1040047_zpsd934399e.jpg&hash=e100d96db972d4318a5894155f60df65d89294a1)
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Post by: rex on March 27, 2013, 02:20:18 pm
Offset says nothing about the rim clearance, unfortunately...
Of course the lower the ET the lower the chances of having clearance issues but that does not help. There are rims with the same offsetthat have 2cm of clearance, or 7mm of clearance or have negative clearance. So, my advice is: ET should not be taken into account. The best way is to measure the clearance (like I said above) to have an estimation...
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Post by: Ess_Three on March 27, 2013, 10:26:51 pm
^^^^ that will be VERY close with 8" ET50. Mine are 8" ET44 and has some room to spare, maybe 7mm max without spacers. I'd get spacers if I were you.

 :happy2:

Fair enough...thanks.
I can't remember there being an awful lot of room left when lowered 25mm and using 8" x 18" ET50 CHs.
If you don't scrub with ET44s, there must be at least 6mm...so 8mm *should* be OK.
I'm still using a 225 wide tyre...so fingers crossed.

I guess I'm going to have to do some measuring and sort out some spacers.
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Post by: stubert on April 27, 2013, 01:38:12 pm
Could someone help me with the anti rattle shims?
Is this the correct one to buy ( x 4 )?

Top left - http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/81/products_categories/9/anti_rattle_shims.html

Cheers
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Post by: MC71 on April 27, 2013, 01:46:31 pm
You need these ones (below), expensive from eurocarparts.com as you'll need 4, half the price from your local Porsche Centre.

eurocarparts.com.......

~~ Clicky here ~~ (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_Cayman_3.4_2008/p/car-parts/car-service-parts/regular-service/brake-pads/?101339140&1&2c107716bc76fe13f3b58bc10a31011819801178&000036)
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Post by: stubert on April 27, 2013, 01:51:18 pm
Thanks.  I'd been looking on ECP but couldn't find them.  "Priced per axle" but it also says "Quantity required - 4".  Any more info on this?

Are they not the same as the ones I posted and also these - http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt66_209_-cma81-cmo82/Porsche/Boxster-986-987-981/Brake-Pad-Anti-vibration-shims/ ?
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Post by: MC71 on April 27, 2013, 02:07:17 pm
^^^^ they're £80 from eurocarparts.com as you'll need 4 even though it says per axel.  :stupid:

I've no idea on the other ones, they do look exactly the same. I just went to Porsche and asked them.   :ashamed:



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Post by: stubert on April 27, 2013, 02:19:52 pm
Thank you.

ECP will be cheapest when I take 25% discount into consideration.
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Post by: Biano44 on May 13, 2013, 02:01:27 pm
Hi Guys,

So I set up a mock up of my new Merc rims (18x8 ET44) my new 312 cross drilled discs and my Porsche calipers and to my horror I only have 3-4mm clearance due to the design of the rim.
My question is, what size gap do I need to be safe?

Ta.
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Post by: AndyED30 on May 14, 2013, 11:04:28 pm
You'll be 'safe' with that no doubt.

If you wanted a little more then get some small spacers.
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Post by: jimk04 on May 15, 2013, 07:14:51 pm
4mm....loads of room! :happy2:
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Post by: deebow on May 19, 2013, 01:41:22 pm
hi
 looking to upgrade my eos to this bbk. now ive managed to get a set of boxster brakes was wondering in regards to cleaning them up whats the best cleaner to use to get them clean so I can see what the general condition is like?

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Post by: bacillus on May 19, 2013, 04:11:30 pm
hi
 looking to upgrade my eos to this bbk. now ive managed to get a set of boxster brakes was wondering in regards to cleaning them up whats the best cleaner to use to get them clean so I can see what the general condition is like?

A soapy solution of fairy liquid will do wonders...
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Post by: deebow on June 09, 2013, 09:57:07 pm
just had a chance to finally clean my calipers and got two questions about them. how do I go about making sure all the brake fluid has come out and also whats the best way of pulling the pistons out to check for damage. was thinking of using a screw driver but wouldn't this rip the rubber?

thanks
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Post by: rex on June 20, 2013, 11:35:16 am
Hi everyone!
I needed some new pads for my nqsbbk. I had the Pagid Orange RS 4-4 pads till yesterday and I must say I was very, very happy with them. Really couldn't fault them on the track or off the track (I may not be picky) but I wanted to try something else so I went for the Pagid Yellow RS 29 pad:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P6198673_zps0821ad5b.jpg&hash=0df631dc136017248c38c93c040c804acede1cc8) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P6198673_zps0821ad5b.jpg.html)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P6198672_zps10be7cfd.jpg&hash=ac6cfc3b912204ae688af967ac3a7727ead19cc2) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P6198672_zps10be7cfd.jpg.html)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P6198677_zps4919bbc4.jpg&hash=276ad7e85870687f414b0aca99a40d562dff323e) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P6198677_zps4919bbc4.jpg.html)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P6198681_zps79ba695b.jpg&hash=335e67d92d8044cfe04e09ff161dae43e5f88163) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P6198681_zps79ba695b.jpg.html)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P6198685_zps5da70ae5.jpg&hash=bf4013a4835781f67f653d563269acba32ea9843) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P6198685_zps5da70ae5.jpg.html)

This pad can't be found in the UK (for some reason it is not imported in UK: http://www.brakes-pads-discs.co.uk/pagid/car-brake-pads/porsche-boxster.html) but you can find it in Germany, for example: http://www.nimex-motorsport.de/?category=products;subID:183&sessID=ugp32cp4823k21cs1231faqqh3
The pads are not bedded in so I can't really comment on their performance but they should be better than the Orange ones...
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Post by: Tr0nic on August 12, 2013, 07:35:06 pm
I Have the NQSBBK and I want to buy some Ferodo DS2500 pads.
Now I've found some boxster S pads that are modified to fit the normal Boxster calipers.

They promise "it will get rid of the 7mm of unswept area on the disc"

I can probably do the modification myself but will it work good?

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FVw-Audi-BBK-Converted-Ferodo-DS2500-Front-Pads-for-Porsche-Boxster-Calipers-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTIwMFgxNjAw%2Fz%2FZbEAAMXQY8JRhWeL%2F%24T2eC16JHJIkE9qU3iyOJBRhWeLZSPQ%7E%7E60_58.JPG&hash=77c3ca6aad13c47c044e4cf28bfdd8037e1008d4)
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Post by: rex on August 13, 2013, 07:54:10 am
As far as I know, the Cayman S pads are much thicker than the non S ones.
So, they might not work on the nqsbbk.
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Tr0nic on August 13, 2013, 08:05:24 am
Bentley work manual states this about pad thickness:
Boxster    - 11mm
Boxster S - 12mm

A 1mm difference in thickness ..
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Post by: rex on August 13, 2013, 08:09:00 am
Nope, those are not correct.  :innocent:
The Porsche Cayman (non S) front caliper uses a pad 15,5 mm thick (I even measured it)!
Maybe you are looking at the rear calipers...
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Post by: Tr0nic on August 13, 2013, 09:23:32 am
I believe your measurement
Here is where I saw it in the bentley work manual (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg380%2FTr0nicje%2FScreenshot_2013-08-13-09-14-25.png&hash=19acf729d4a6ccd5ab063744196a29287267274c)
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Post by: rex on August 13, 2013, 09:28:54 am
Yup... But there is a mistake. The nqsbbk pads are 15.5mm thick, for sure.
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Post by: Tr0nic on August 13, 2013, 09:33:52 am
I think they mean the actual brakepad material...
Here are some specs from brembo sport pads
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg380%2FTr0nicje%2F07B31418.gif&hash=2b28e07807422662fd8d7f9f1a6de17b09e0e3ed)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg380%2FTr0nicje%2F07B31415.gif&hash=93130bfcf369b52e6e1f5e0f4a5a5369e5967dd8)
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Post by: Donx22 on December 11, 2013, 04:40:37 pm
Just a feeler as I havn't got enough posts to put this in the for sale section, but would anyone be interested in some brand new brakes from porsche? The calipers I believe come in a an thrite/black with porsche written on them. It may be possible for me to pick up both side form porsche for just over £210 each. I will be getting a set as it much prefere brand new 1's even if they are not in red.

anyway if anyone is interested please drop me a PM, Il get round to posting this in the for sale section if this ever goes ahead, but just getting a feeler at the moment!
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Post by: Tr0nic on December 12, 2013, 10:26:05 pm
As far as I know, the Cayman S pads are much thicker than the non S ones.
So, they might not work on the nqsbbk.

Well got a set of those modified and got a set of non modifief Boxster S, shape is milled a bit smaller and a couple off mm of the pads as there were too thick like you said!
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Post by: rex on December 13, 2013, 06:32:44 am
I think it's best to buy non S pad from the beginning (cheaper and no alteration required).
Glad you fixed the issue and you can enjoy the nqsbbk!  :happy2:
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Post by: phelan77 on December 27, 2013, 09:26:56 am
Are the adapters for the calipers still being sold?
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Post by: bacillus on December 27, 2013, 04:51:45 pm
Are the adapters for the calipers still being sold?

You should try contacting DaveB1976.
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Post by: phelan77 on December 30, 2013, 07:38:10 am
ok. thanks for the heads up :happy2:
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Post by: Chris92 on January 14, 2014, 10:38:11 pm
I've read the first few pages but can anyone tell me if you can get pads that cover the area of the disc? I like this set up but not keen on not using the whole face of the disc. Im just sure I read on here that there was a pad that covers all the disc.
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Post by: bacillus on January 14, 2014, 10:59:40 pm
I've read the first few pages but can anyone tell me if you can get pads that cover the area of the disc? I like this set up but not keen on not using the whole face of the disc. Im just sure I read on here that there was a pad that covers all the disc.

Standard boxster pads will leave a small unswept area nearest the center of the disc.
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 16, 2014, 05:14:38 pm
website to buy online very soon
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Post by: Chris92 on January 17, 2014, 07:37:34 pm
website to buy online very soon

To buy everything in one go including calipers or are you just selling the brackets etc ?

Thanks
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Post by: Donx22 on January 29, 2014, 03:27:04 pm
I don't know if this has been covered but does anyone know the torque value for mounting these calipers to the brackets and brackets to the hub!?

I don't want to go swinging on it but equally don't want them to come off!
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: keith on January 29, 2014, 11:00:30 pm
in various threads it mentions the calipers need reloacting to the rear of the disc but some of the golfs have them fitted at the front?
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Post by: BEN81 on February 11, 2014, 01:12:54 pm
Running monza 2 18's at the moment with 225/40/18 fedral rsr track tyres what size spacer would I need to run these calipers? Also if I was to buy a set of new wheels for track use what ET off set would I require for clearance with no spacer and the minimum catching of the arches?

I have emailed Dave as can not send pm's due to being a new member dose he frequent here much?
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Post by: bacillus on February 11, 2014, 03:13:03 pm
Monza 2 will need a 3mm spacer at minimum (it will be close to touching).
Most use an 8 or 10mm per side hubcentric spacer.
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Post by: Joshy on February 16, 2014, 11:41:05 pm
Dave, empty your inbox, got a few questions for you :happy2:
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Post by: phelan77 on February 17, 2014, 06:30:17 am
If you are already running SS brake lines, will changing the banjo be enough or do you need to order new SS lines?
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Post by: SlavishSpace on February 27, 2014, 04:27:54 pm
Is Dave still doing the fitting kits?
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Post by: snowfree52 on March 01, 2014, 10:26:40 am
I've read the whole 56 pages, and decided to buy the boxster non S calipers from ebay !

Will the adaptator and hoses from a MK5 GTI fit my Audi A3 8V TDI 184 ? I already have 312 x25 discs.

How much do the S3 and GTI hub weight ?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: rex on March 09, 2014, 04:50:02 pm
Hi guys! I have some questions regarding the brake rotors/pads for the nqbbk. Dave if you are reading this please answer.
Well, as some of you might know, I've been using the nqsbbk for about 3 years. During this time I've had Pagid Orange RS 4-4 (twice) and I now have Pagid Yellow RS 29. During all these years I've had about 50 laps of the Nurburgring, one Spa track day and about 7 Hungaroring track days. I also use/used the car as a daily driver. All this time I've had ONE set of J Hooked Rotors (bought from DaveB). So I can say I am quite surprised of how long they lasted.
After the last Hungaroring track day I notices some of the "J"s staring to disappear. I've measured the width of the disc and it's about 2mm worn (so 23mm in total), so they are 1mm from their minimal width.
The funny thing is that the "J"s have disappeared only in some parts of the disc. The disc is fine and there are no vibrations when braking.

Right Side:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088808_zpsde333a34.jpg&hash=f21093c6cf6118291badd9aa59f34a471aca9221) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088808_zpsde333a34.jpg.html)

Close up:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088809_zps59981298.jpg&hash=ef64789011db73fe0a40afab0b324c173691f938) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088809_zps59981298.jpg.html)

Left Side:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088811_zps2b8e85a0.jpg&hash=ecc020d5012d2e058fa8bc3bc305c71925e8fa92) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088811_zps2b8e85a0.jpg.html)

Close up:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088817_zpsbfaa7f49.jpg&hash=a211feda0f1803dfa5bce3f212e3ee64c16de152) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088817_zpsbfaa7f49.jpg.html)

I am have doubts/questions about the reason the grooves are disappearing only on some parts of the disc...
So, my question is: is this normal because the groves are not identical (there might be some fractions of a milometer difference)?
Or is there a problem with the disc/pad/caliper causing uneven wear (I didn't notice any uneven wear on the pads so I guess this is not the case)?
Since the wear is close to maximal I will take no chances and replace the discs with identical J Hook Rotors (bough almost 2 years ago because I did not know that these will last so long  :grin:)
Thanks!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 09, 2014, 05:35:14 pm
Hi guys! I have some questions regarding the brake rotors/pads for the nqbbk. Dave if you are reading this please answer.
Well, as some of you might know, I've been using the nqsbbk for about 3 years. During this time I've had Pagid Orange RS 4-4 (twice) and I now have Pagid Yellow RS 29. During all these years I've had about 50 laps of the Nurburgring, one Spa track day and about 7 Hungaroring track days. I also use/used the car as a daily driver. All this time I've had ONE set of J Hooked Rotors (bought from DaveB). So I can say I am quite surprised of how long they lasted.
After the last Hungaroring track day I notices some of the "J"s staring to disappear. I've measured the width of the disc and it's about 2mm worn (so 23mm in total), so they are 1mm from their minimal width.
The funny thing is that the "J"s have disappeared only in some parts of the disc. The disc is fine and there are no vibrations when braking.

Right Side:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088808_zpsde333a34.jpg&hash=f21093c6cf6118291badd9aa59f34a471aca9221) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088808_zpsde333a34.jpg.html)

Close up:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088809_zps59981298.jpg&hash=ef64789011db73fe0a40afab0b324c173691f938) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088809_zps59981298.jpg.html)

Left Side:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088811_zps2b8e85a0.jpg&hash=ecc020d5012d2e058fa8bc3bc305c71925e8fa92) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088811_zps2b8e85a0.jpg.html)

Close up:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P3088817_zpsbfaa7f49.jpg&hash=a211feda0f1803dfa5bce3f212e3ee64c16de152) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_P3088817_zpsbfaa7f49.jpg.html)

I am have doubts/questions about the reason the grooves are disappearing only on some parts of the disc...
So, my question is: is this normal because the groves are not identical (there might be some fractions of a milometer difference)?
Or is there a problem with the disc/pad/caliper causing uneven wear (I didn't notice any uneven wear on the pads so I guess this is not the case)?
Since the wear is close to maximal I will take no chances and replace the discs with identical J Hook Rotors (bough almost 2 years ago because I did not know that these will last so long  :grin:)
Thanks!  :notworthy:


Hi Rex

Well........

RS29s on a solid disc and it works and has done for a while - impressive!     :notworthy: :notworthy:

You are exactly the guy that kit was designed for, I reckon on top of the kit you've spent about £450 all on pads which for the usage you've had and the fun you've been having is a f**kin bargain...We've all seen your vids on youtube!! Some guys spend less getting their car to their place of work and back!

Don't ever stop - you're the best advert for the NQSBBK EVER!!

As to why the J hooks are disappearing ......Ive no idea....you got me, if you want to replace them though get in touch for a killer price - its the very least I can do....they do look to have some surface cracks on them as well - nothing major but thats just heat cycling doing its thing, min thickness on that disc is 23.4mm as well so its safe to say that they've served you well and maybe need retiring...Maybe take a look at getting your calipers serviced next time you have a chance - always worthwhile after a beating having got them hot a couple of times! lol

Awesome.....just awesome..... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Post by: rex on March 10, 2014, 05:16:56 pm
Firstly, thanks Dave for your answer!  :notworthy:

Then, about the deal on the discs, I bought some other ones (from you) almost 2 years ago and I will install them now. So I guess I'll need another set of discs in about 3 year's time  :grin:...
Because the minimal thickness is 23.4 I will definitely replace them asap.
The current discs have some cracks but they had them from day one (aka after the first track day). I think it's normal since they are not too big.

I might consider a service but it is a little bit difficult to have the calipers removed, sent to UK and vice-versa. I think I will do this maybe in autumn.

Yes, the nqsbbk has done an amassing job. Excellent pedal feel, awesome for daily drive, great for track days for my 160bhp 1400kg Golf. When buying it, I think I spent 1000 GBP (calipers, pagid pads, discs), so not quite cheap but great value. I am only changing the discs after 3 years and the combined value of the discs and pads used over these 3 years is less than the discs for the Stoptech BBK, for example.
I think the brake ducts also had an effect (not sure if large or small) so I will keep the nqsbbk + Pagid Yellow RS29 + J Hook Rotors + brake ducts (there was a design flaw with the brake ducts that will be taken care of, hopefully, this weak; I will explain in the brake ducts topci) for the current year.

All the best!  :drinking:

P.S. My friend below was really, really impressed with the braking power of the nqsbbk.
If you follow his head closely you can tell if I am braking or not  :grin:
My friend said I should install a hans device to prevent the passenger from straining his neck muscles  :grin:

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Post by: rich83 on March 10, 2014, 05:23:17 pm
To me that says that the pad wasn't quite seated 100% parallel to the disc so the inside has worn more than the outside.
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Post by: rex on March 10, 2014, 09:40:53 pm
That was my impression also. But the J are not all gone all across the disc. Some parts of the disc are gone and others are not.
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Post by: rich83 on March 10, 2014, 09:45:08 pm
Well maybe the discs wasnt 100% true either. I shouldnt worry about it, most discs probably wear like this, its just that you are seeing it due to the hooks
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Post by: Been-0 on March 21, 2014, 10:12:15 am
Hi I've read through most of this and was wondering what disc size the fronts are running? Also does anybody have any pic's of the NQS Rear?
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Post by: rich83 on March 21, 2014, 10:16:16 am
fronts are 312mm disc
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Post by: bacillus on March 21, 2014, 10:28:16 am
Also does anybody have any pic's of the NQS Rear?

When installed on the car the NQS rear looks exactly like the oem ones.   :smiley:
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Post by: Tr0nic on March 21, 2014, 08:13:22 pm
Also does anybody have any pic's of the NQS Rear?

When installed on the car the NQS rear looks exactly like the oem ones.   :smiley:

Identical to oem only increased piston diameter
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Post by: Acidutzul on March 23, 2014, 01:40:57 pm
Vlad, take a look at the Tarox discs that Teo is unsing on his 345 Cupra brakes. Same wear pattern. I've seen it on other brakes also (and not all were single piston caliper).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40672373@N03/13352962995/
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 23, 2014, 07:41:14 pm
Difference is Vlads are a good 1/2mm plus thinner than design min thickness, the wear rate isn't linear and accelerates when thinner......

Some of the heat treatments can either involve firing or immersing in molten salt for a while, whichever method the hardening is obviously crunchy on the outside and soft on the inside.......armadillo!

Sorry back on topic....

They've done incredibly well....they need replacing.....they don't last for ever
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Post by: QD MBE on March 23, 2014, 08:24:43 pm
Having changed a few supposed race discs and pad sets in the last few years, these seem amazing.

Well done Prof Friction.   :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

all we need now are Proj Mu pads! 

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Post by: rex on March 24, 2014, 06:17:38 am
Yup, the wear seemed linear till this point and know I suspected the pads for causing this (RS 29).
Stefan, I've seen this problem with Eddy's Type R FN2 Stoptech bbk (he also has RS 29) but luckily for my my discs are much cheaper to replace  :grin:
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Post by: Acidutzul on March 24, 2014, 04:52:03 pm
Again, i don't see it as a problem :)

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Post by: matsu on March 24, 2014, 05:38:10 pm
I know a lot of people  following this thread
I just ordered some new pads front for faves porker specials and std rears on faves recommendation
Outstanding help and service
Will def recommend him to anyone looking for brakes
Huge thank you Dave

Matsu :congrats:
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Post by: snowfree52 on March 28, 2014, 10:47:40 am
Hello,

I just tried to mount the NQSBBK to my Audi A3 8V.
Good news is the caliper fits within the wheel.

Bad news is the adaptator doesn't fit !!! It touches the hub.

I took some pics.

Any help ?

DaveB do you do another adaptator that would do ? Or could I cut it a bit ?

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0454%20%28Copier%29.JPG)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0455%20%28Copier%29.JPG)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0456%20%28Copier%29.JPG)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0457%20%28Copier%29.JPG)

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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 28, 2014, 04:32:14 pm
I know a lot of people  following this thread
I just ordered some new pads front for faves porker specials and std rears on faves recommendation
Outstanding help and service
Will def recommend him to anyone looking for brakes
Huge thank you Dave

Matsu :congrats:

Cheers Matey My Pleasure!
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 28, 2014, 04:33:09 pm
Hello,

I just tried to mount the NQSBBK to my Audi A3 8V.
Good news is the caliper fits within the wheel.

Bad news is the adaptator doesn't fit !!! It touches the hub.

I took some pics.

Any help ?

DaveB do you do another adaptator that would do ? Or could I cut it a bit ?


Where did you get the carrier from? Ebay?
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Post by: snowfree52 on March 28, 2014, 05:31:14 pm
Bought it from someone on britskoda, didn't know this thread, discovered the nqsbbk on britskoda and when asked for where to find the adaptators, someone proposed some to me.

What do you think ? Can I file them a bit ? I think I'll need to file like a mm on a side

like that :

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0457%20%28Copier%292.jpg)
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 28, 2014, 09:12:12 pm
They have the wrong offset as well I'm afraid.....if they mounted on the front it would be plug and play
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Post by: snowfree52 on March 28, 2014, 09:20:17 pm
offset for my hubs you mean ? Maybe but it seams they would have fit if it wasn't for the adaptators (or hub) being a bit too thick
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Post by: snowfree52 on April 05, 2014, 04:15:07 pm
Well, I had a go today and you were right. Even if I filed them down, they wouldn't be aligned with the caliper, there is around 15mm difference.

Could you make some that would fit ? Is this the same hub as the S3 ?


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0526%20%5B1600x1200%5D.JPG)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0518%20%5B1600x1200%5D.JPG)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16802699/Freins%20Porsche/A3%20NQSBBK/IMG_0516%20%5B1600x1200%5D%20%5B800x600%5D.JPG)
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Post by: snowfree52 on April 10, 2014, 10:26:47 pm
Dave ? What do you think?

is it the same hub as the S3 8P hub ? do/would you make it ?
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Post by: Redtom91 on October 10, 2014, 12:59:10 pm
website to buy online very soon

Any news on when the website will be up and running Dave? I'm looking to buy the front adapter kit if you have any left? Unfortunately can't read or send PM's yet.

Apologies for the necro-bump  :embarrassed:
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 14, 2014, 09:15:06 pm
Having tried to read through all of this long, long post to get what info I need and I've at least got part numbers and a rough cost of the complete kit. Thing is, as asked above, is this still happening much or have most people moved onto using the Audi TTRS front brake set up these days?
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Post by: dansmith180 on October 14, 2014, 09:28:08 pm
I think the TTRS setup is a better setup performance wise however isn't as practical as the NQSBBK since you need more clearance behind the spokes and larger wheels to fit over them. Also they're more expensive. However having the TTRS setup I can say although its a bit awkward sometimes the performance is fantastic.
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 14, 2014, 09:32:07 pm
For a normal fast road user (like myself), the NQSBBK seems to be the better option as it's cheaper to services, offers superior braking performance over the 345mm OEM setup (which I currently run) and allows you to flash a nice Porsche logo under your front wheels (if you're a willy waving show-want-to-be kind like me!).

I've seen a set of calipers on eBay going for under £300, a quick refurb and some adaptors plus lines to bolt up to my GTI would be around £600 I think, but what sort of discs and pads are the most popular as I'll have to replace my current front discs (they're too thick)?
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Post by: MC71 on October 14, 2014, 10:04:18 pm
^^^^ Any OEM discs will fine, pads are dependant on your price range, i've run Porsche OEM Textar pads for the last 2 years and fine for road use.
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 14, 2014, 10:22:59 pm
Cool, had a look at Pagid discs and pads and came to about £120. Now to take the plunge and buy some calipers, adaptors and lines! Just think for long term, this set up is far more viable than Audi TTRS brakes.
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Post by: snowfree52 on October 15, 2014, 06:00:39 am
I may have the whole set to sell : calipers with pads, adapters, lines. Brand new, never used.
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Post by: edd30 on October 15, 2014, 08:16:13 am
I may have the whole set to sell : calipers with pads, adapters, lines. Brand new, never used.
Photos & full description please. Front? 986 calipers ? Refurbed ? New powder coat ? Replacement seals, nipples? Cross over pipe changed? What pads? Who made are the lines? Discs ? Who made the adapters ? Proper high tensile bolts ? Where abouts are you ?
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Post by: snowfree52 on October 15, 2014, 10:01:56 am
No selling of posts in threads and certainly without the posting requirements met.

Thanks
Admin Team
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Post by: snowfree52 on October 15, 2014, 02:35:05 pm
I was just answering his questions, didn't even talk about prices.

I know how hard it is to find all the pieces of the puzzle, moreover in good shape, and if I could save someone the hassle of tracking down everything ... Honestly those have been sitting on my desk since April without me selling them because I didn't bother.

A bit harsh to delete my post witout notice but hey, it's the interweb
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Post by: edd30 on October 15, 2014, 09:42:32 pm
Hi Snowfree,
I've tried to send you a pm - didn't work, I think you need a few more posts under your belt. Perhaps you can PM me ?
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Post by: snowfree52 on October 16, 2014, 04:49:07 pm
I sent you an Email
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 16, 2014, 07:02:25 pm
Also, having a further dig through, I see I need to swap the brake line on the caliper around so the smaller piston engages first, correct? Also, are those lovely 312mm J hook discs still in production via AKS Tuning or someone? Have e-mailed AKS regarding mounting adaptors and lines...
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Post by: snowfree52 on October 16, 2014, 07:13:10 pm
yes, correct !
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 16, 2014, 07:34:44 pm
Cool. May just ask the refurb place to do it when they strip them down and rebuild them... Far easier. Currently looking at adaptors on eBay for comparison on prices.
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Post by: Redtom91 on October 17, 2014, 09:15:39 pm
th3_f15t; have you managed to source a adapter/fitting kit yet?
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 17, 2014, 10:00:07 pm
Still waiting for a price from AKS Tuning, estimate about £200. You can get hold of aluminium ones on eBay but for the price I'd prefer one from the master of brake DaveB.
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Post by: Redtom91 on October 17, 2014, 10:06:46 pm
Awesome, have AKS got back to you at all? Or did you phone? Same here, for around £200 I'd rather have DaveB approved bits.
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Post by: th3_f15t on October 18, 2014, 09:14:02 am
As mentioned, still waiting for a response from AKS. They're usually booked out for months and the guy is always working so I don't expect an instant response. Besides, it'll be a few months before I can afford this upgrade.

If you want the sooner and possibly cheaper, put out a wanted advert in the relevant section, I'm sure there's a few people that have these kits stashed away in a draw somewhere.
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Post by: sub39h on October 18, 2014, 12:18:39 pm
Alex of AKS  is a great great chap, but sadly isn't great at replying to emails. He will have all the time in the world for you if you phone him though.

Last I spoke to Alex DaveB doesn't sell directly anymore, only through AwesomeGTI or AKS. So if you're buying parts from AKS, they are from DaveB. In any event, Alex never NEVER compromises on quality. If you're buying from him it has got his seal of approval and to me that is more than enough for me to trust it.
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Post by: dansmith180 on October 18, 2014, 01:59:59 pm
I Bought my TTRS calipers to R32/ TTS disc brackets from AKS and they're very well made and a perfect fit. The brakes haven't fallen off yet either so they must be alright  :laugh:
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Post by: TBomb on November 06, 2014, 02:33:04 am
How's it going fellas...found this thread and joined from the other side of the pond (I guess you'd call me a "colonist"  :P) just to say thanks for putting together such an informative thread and for pioneering the NQSBBK. I picked up a set of Boxster calipers on eBay for around 235 GBP. I was pleased to see that they appear to be in great shape and come with Galfer pads with quite a bit of life left and the stick-on anti-squeal dampers that fit into the pistons  :happy2: Will I run into any issues re-using the Galfer pads, or is there anything I need to do to them to help them mate up with my current rotors?

Thanks in advance for the help!
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Post by: sgour on January 23, 2015, 11:56:21 pm
Are the NSQBBK fitting kits still being supplied/sold?
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Post by: th3_f15t on January 24, 2015, 08:59:45 am
Are the NSQBBK fitting kits still being supplied/sold?

Yeah, just phone AKS Tuning and speak with the man himself, Alex. I was there the other week and asked about them too, although he'll try and talk you into running 340 TTRS discs with Aston Martin calipers (he did me, anyway!).
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Post by: edd30 on January 24, 2015, 09:40:02 am
How's it going fellas...found this thread and joined from the other side of the pond (I guess you'd call me a "colonist"  :P) just to say thanks for putting together such an informative thread and for pioneering the NQSBBK. I picked up a set of Boxster calipers on eBay for around 235 GBP. I was pleased to see that they appear to be in great shape and come with Galfer pads with quite a bit of life left and the stick-on anti-squeal dampers that fit into the pistons  :happy2: Will I run into any issues re-using the Galfer pads, or is there anything I need to do to them to help them mate up with my current rotors?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Welcome TB
You'll need the hardware to bolt it all up, bracket to fix the new calipers to the original mounting points and VW to Porsche brake lines. I'd suggest new bolts too between the caliper and bracket and bracket to car.

You should be able to get the brackets stateside, save on time and shipping. I'd alo change the brake fluid too, as you'll be breaking into the hydraulics any way. Stick with the VW/Audi stuff, otherwise a low viscosity Dot 4 for optimum operation of the EPS.
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Post by: snowfree52 on January 24, 2015, 09:51:57 am
Dot 5 would be better I guess ?
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Post by: edd30 on January 24, 2015, 09:55:00 am
Dot 5 will be disastrous. Don't put silicone based brake fluid in your VW/Audi etc, unless you are prepared to purge the system and change the seals in the calipers, master cylinder etc. It is likely to leak and give you very poor performance.

DON'T DO IT  :fighting2:
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Post by: snowfree52 on January 24, 2015, 10:12:02 am
OK , better of with some RBF600 then ?
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Post by: sgour on January 24, 2015, 10:24:19 am
Are the NSQBBK fitting kits still being supplied/sold?

Yeah, just phone AKS Tuning and speak with the man himself, Alex. I was there the other week and asked about them too, although he'll try and talk you into running 340 TTRS discs with Aston Martin calipers (he did me, anyway!).

Great, thanks! Ill give them a call once I get the chance :)
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Post by: edd30 on January 24, 2015, 10:42:14 am
RBF600 is a great hydraulic fluid, but not LV.

ATE SL.6, Pentosin DOT 4 LV and VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat DOT 4 LV are the ones to use. I believe Ford, Toyota etc have their own versions too.

LV fluid has the correct viscosity for our cars. Important when the weather is cold and the road are slippery. You wouldn't want the stability/ESP to potentially under perform.
 
FYI, I use ATE SL.6
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Post by: snowfree52 on January 28, 2015, 02:21:38 pm
out of interest, will the nqsbbk fit the S3 8L ?
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Post by: sgour on January 29, 2015, 02:35:31 pm
Ok ive sussed where I can get a fitting kit.. just one question remains.

The kit is for 330mm x 28mm discs

Will the Porsche 996 calipers require any modification to get the disc in behind?
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Post by: spb on April 05, 2015, 05:21:59 pm
How do you think a pair of Brembo max discs will go along NQSBBK fitted with Pagid RS 29?
I plan to pull the trigger on some discs to finally get the NQSBBK mounted.

Also can someone tell me which are the part numbers for pad retaining kit and anti-rattle plates?
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Post by: rex on April 07, 2015, 06:56:45 am
Stefan, I have the RS29 pads with Brembo J hooks. So I would say they are ok with Brembo Max (The RS29 pad is not very agressive and I've even seen cars with RS29 and plain discs).

After 4 years of daily drive and at least 4 trackdays per year, the dust seals have broken:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_IMAG0151_zps0snmohkx.jpg&hash=d9ffdd3c3c2bfdccfac30e6f8bdb14e08731ab9b) (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/vladpanut/media/site_IMAG0151_zps0snmohkx.jpg.html)

@DaveB@Vagbremtechnic (or anybody) where could I get the calipers repaired?
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Post by: Flybynite on April 19, 2015, 07:54:23 pm
Well to resurrect an old thread!

Does anyone know if this kit will fit the Golf MK7 MQB platform (Golf, Octy, Seat) and if it is still a good bang for your buck. Or is there a better solution for a standard MK7 GTI setup (312mm front 272 rears)

Have to think there is a better solution than just going bigger single pot (PP) NQS setup sounds ideal but has anyone tried it on the MK7?
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Post by: danishmkvgti on April 20, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
I'm sure it will fit, but DaveB is the one to 100% confirm it :)
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on May 20, 2015, 01:15:12 pm
Hello,

Great thread, this has inspired me to carry out this modification.

So far I have ordered some Dave B brackets / kit via AKS tuning and sourced the correct calipers off a breakers on eBay.

By reading this thread I have discovered that hub centric wheel spacers are required for these brakes to fit behind 18" Pecaras on my Edition 30 but what is the best sized spacer to go with 5 / 8 or 10mm?

I don't want it to be too close which I think a 5mm one would be as a stone would get trapped and damage caliper and alloy, unless this is unlikely?

The car is lowered -35mm H&R on springs

Also the best brand and place to source them from would be helpful too.

Your help is much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Mike.
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Post by: rich83 on May 20, 2015, 02:21:53 pm
Mike. Either 8 or 10mm will be perfect.  :happy2:
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on June 05, 2015, 06:45:50 pm

Mike. Either 8 or 10mm will be perfect.  :happy2:
Thanks Rich83, I have ordered some 10mm H&R hub centric spacers from Alex at AKS to come with my fitting kit.

Also can anyone answer this question, I did start a new thread but had no answers:
 when fitting the Dave B vagbremtechic  adaptor what are the torque setting for bracket to hub and then caliper to bracket?

Thanks,

Mike.
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Post by: rich83 on June 05, 2015, 07:08:54 pm
80ftlbs rings a bell but ask Alex.
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on June 05, 2015, 07:12:41 pm

Cool thanks, I'll ask him next time I phone but he is a hard man to get hold of!
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Post by: danishmkvgti on June 06, 2015, 09:28:47 am

Cool thanks, I'll ask him next time I phone but he is a hard man to get hold of!

There are certain sideeffects to being good at what you do and therefore succesfull  :happy2:
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Post by: spb on June 15, 2015, 12:35:01 pm
Finally got the kit installed
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F06%2F15%2F90b26a5b9e9c8bff0b997178d23736e1.jpg&hash=b9bbf8333035924edfc47d18f44e927b7c7439c9)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F06%2F15%2Fa3c57c37c8570202481bf03a559eb172.jpg&hash=bd0834f5a2ff60f0e75f24f3df9400d4e84bda21)
Everything is "almost" perfect, I got some squealing noise but I guess this is how the RS29 should be. What worries me most is that one heated on heavy breaking they become noisy. Not squealing it's a deeper noise like friction. I wonder if this is normal due the the slotted nature of Brembo max rotors or it's something wrong
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on June 15, 2015, 12:47:42 pm
I would say noise is normal for any track / race pads and is especially well known with this set-up.
I have just fitted these brakes at the weekend but used road pads with Porsche anti-squeal shims. People don't tend to fit these to track pads because performance out weighs everyday refinement but they may quieten down once bedded in or if unbearable try the shims?
Cheers,
Mike.
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Post by: spb on June 15, 2015, 01:42:06 pm
In order to bed-in them I did 10 hard brakes without locking the wheels from 100km/h to 20-30. I was kind of afraid for the discs to follow the procedure described by Pagid for the RS line. Should I heat them up even more to get them properly bedded in?
I will get a quote for the shims but I remember they are pretty expensive for they are ☺

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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on June 15, 2015, 01:51:00 pm
I can't comment on the bedding in procedure I'm afraid but I'm sure someone on here will chip in soon enough.
If you want the shims the best place is Eurocarparts and search under Porsche 911 3.4 litre they come in at £9.00 each ;) there not listed for the 986 on there for some reason?!
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Post by: rich83 on June 15, 2015, 01:52:51 pm
Nice one SPB... just need some nice brembo logo stickers to go on them  :smiley:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-OF-2x-90mm-and-2x-75mm-BREMBO-BLACK-BRAKE-CALIPER-DECALS-STICKERS-HIGH-TEMP-/111040290562?hash=item19da845f02
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Post by: spb on July 04, 2015, 04:56:44 pm
I'm worried that the mechanic did the install wrong or something else is wrong.
The pad holes for pins at the retaining system are not symmetrical on both sides. Can someone show me some pictures with the kit installed? How many pins do you have installed?
And the most worrying thing is a click click noise when full stopped and pressing the brake pedal. So standing still click click noises comes from the right caliper when the brake pedal travels down. It also perceptible in the pedal. What can be? I have no shims just the RS 29 Pagid pads on Brembo max discs

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Post by: bacillus on July 04, 2015, 06:04:35 pm
There is only one pad retaining pin per side...
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Post by: nick0188 on August 11, 2015, 05:28:31 pm
I'm worried that the mechanic did the install wrong or something else is wrong.
The pad holes for pins at the retaining system are not symmetrical on both sides. Can someone show me some pictures with the kit installed? How many pins do you have installed?
And the most worrying thing is a click click noise when full stopped and pressing the brake pedal. So standing still click click noises comes from the right caliper when the brake pedal travels down. It also perceptible in the pedal. What can be? I have no shims just the RS 29 Pagid pads on Brembo max discs

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Hello All!  I just joined this forum over from the states the reply to this comment.  I've had the NQSBBK setup since around September of 2014, and starting around spring of this year I get the same exact noise described above.  I can't for the life of me figure it out.  I've bought new retaining "springs" and pins, lubed the pins, lubed where the pads slide, lubed the back of the pads, installed the vibration dampers.. Pretty much everything you can think of, and like above, as soon as the brakes get warm, even after normal driving, I get this clicking noise.  I rebuild the calipers with new seals and dust boots when installed and I am running SS lines, ECS Tuning Geomet rotors and Stoptech Street Pads.  Anyone that could provide any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Post by: snowfree52 on September 12, 2015, 10:18:40 am
Well to resurrect an old thread!

Does anyone know if this kit will fit the Golf MK7 MQB platform (Golf, Octy, Seat) and if it is still a good bang for your buck. Or is there a better solution for a standard MK7 GTI setup (312mm front 272 rears)

Have to think there is a better solution than just going bigger single pot (PP) NQS setup sounds ideal but has anyone tried it on the MK7?

It won't fit because the brackets are not the same
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Post by: Flybynite on September 12, 2015, 01:55:58 pm

It won't fit because the brackets are not the same

Well this thread gets resurrected more times than a Zombie film! Shows how good these brakes are!

I think a few people have got them on the MK7 MQB now if the brackets are different they are definitely available (try AKS) The problem I had is they do not fit behind the standard wheels I have. I do not want to change wheels or use spacers so it rules it out for me.
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Post by: snowfree52 on September 12, 2015, 01:58:59 pm
well last post was from August, not really a ressurection :D

as a matter of fact, I have the NQSBBK kit and would like to sell it if anyone is interested...
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Post by: spb on September 13, 2015, 08:11:54 pm
I'm worried that the mechanic did the install wrong or something else is wrong.
The pad holes for pins at the retaining system are not symmetrical on both sides. Can someone show me some pictures with the kit installed? How many pins do you have installed?
And the most worrying thing is a click click noise when full stopped and pressing the brake pedal. So standing still click click noises comes from the right caliper when the brake pedal travels down. It also perceptible in the pedal. What can be? I have no shims just the RS 29 Pagid pads on Brembo max discs

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Hello All!  I just joined this forum over from the states the reply to this comment.  I've had the NQSBBK setup since around September of 2014, and starting around spring of this year I get the same exact noise described above.  I can't for the life of me figure it out.  I've bought new retaining "springs" and pins, lubed the pins, lubed where the pads slide, lubed the back of the pads, installed the vibration dampers.. Pretty much everything you can think of, and like above, as soon as the brakes get warm, even after normal driving, I get this clicking noise.  I rebuild the calipers with new seals and dust boots when installed and I am running SS lines, ECS Tuning Geomet rotors and Stoptech Street Pads.  Anyone that could provide any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Please let us know if the rebuild cured the clicking noise. A mechanic of mine said the dust seals are burned buy the electrostatic painting that was executed with the caliper fully equipped. I don't see how those can make the clicking noise or how a 200 Celsius temperature could burn them...
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Post by: Kam88 on September 13, 2015, 08:21:43 pm
What brake pads are people running on road setup and i am getting fed up with my standard brake pads squealing any solutions for this. Heat plates fitted greased everywhere yet still doing it driving me mad !
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Post by: spb on September 13, 2015, 08:39:08 pm
Pagid RS 29... Squealing like a train ☺

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Post by: Kam88 on September 14, 2015, 06:06:45 pm
Pagid RS 29... Squealing like a train ☺

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These seem to be really expensive any other cheaper option ? :signLOL:
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Post by: spb on September 14, 2015, 08:25:45 pm
Beside the price, which is justified somehow with the pad performance, low disc wear, long life, good initial bite, nice fade resistance etc... These pads are damn noisy. Maybe Pagid sport is an option... Better than stock performance wise and half the price of any RS pads

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Post by: Kam88 on September 14, 2015, 08:35:38 pm
Beside the price, which is justified somehow with the pad performance, low disc wear, long life, good initial bite, nice fade resistance etc... These pads are damn noisy. Maybe Pagid sport is an option... Better than stock performance wise and half the price of any RS pads

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I appreciate it but this car will never see the track  :signLOL: they are already a massive upgrade to the standard ed30 brakes so i am more then happy with them just the bloody noise !!!!! :signLOL:
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Post by: AndyED30 on September 18, 2015, 11:48:27 am
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:
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Post by: Kam88 on September 18, 2015, 11:53:31 am
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise
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Post by: bacillus on September 18, 2015, 12:54:58 pm
Did you bed in your pads?
I had terrible squealing when I first installed my pads but this disappeared after some high speed slow downs.
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Post by: nick0188 on September 30, 2015, 03:01:32 pm
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped. 
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Post by: Kam88 on September 30, 2015, 09:03:25 pm
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped.

I just get very annoying squeezing  :signLOL:
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on September 30, 2015, 09:39:17 pm
Kam88, I recall that you have fitted the 996 calipers and not 986 correct?
If so are you using the correct anti-rattle bracket that come with them as they are different to the 'NQSBBK' 986 ones.
They have a cylindrical piece at each end of the bracket do they not?

Also don't discount the seals if they are unknown, removing the pistons and inspecting the bores, pistons and seals for wear is important even if they don't leak they might be causing the noise.

Brakes International are you friends on this one, kits come to £36 for both seals and dust boots.
Worth doing for peace of mind and they should last another 20 years!

Mike.
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Post by: Kam88 on September 30, 2015, 10:04:41 pm
Kam88, I recall that you have fitted the 996 calipers and not 986 correct?
If so are you using the correct anti-rattle bracket that come with them as they are different to the 'NQSBBK' 986 ones.
They have a cylindrical piece at each end of the bracket do they not?

Also don't discount the seals if they are unknown, removing the pistons and inspecting the bores, pistons and seals for wear is important even if they don't leak they might be causing the noise.

Brakes International are you friends on this one, kits come to £36 for both seals and dust boots.
Worth doing for peace of mind and they should last another 20 years!

Mike.

To be honest i really couldn't tell you exactly which ones as i can't tell difference myself by looking at them. The cylindrical piece sounds right which then would be 996 as you said. I have the anti squeal plates paid pads lots of grease and it seems to be fine generally but then after some use starts to squeal LOADS to be honest i wouldn't mind doing the seals myself just not sure if i will end up destroying it and then paying someone to correct it  :signLOL:

I have read few posts where people upgraded to different pads and then problem solved but last thing i want to do is end up spending more money on pads and not getting rid of the noise
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on September 30, 2015, 10:23:28 pm
Tough one to call, taking your brakes off the car at any point is inconvenient and the extra expense is a PITA.
FYI I have brake squeal mainly at low speeds or going from reverse to forward although yours clicks.
I have bought everything to mitigate the issue but I think this is just inherent of the Porsche set-up and a well documented issue.
I didn't have any squeal to begin with, only appeared 1-2k onwards.
I hope you get it sorted soon!

Mike.
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Post by: spb on September 30, 2015, 10:44:45 pm
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped.
I guess it's just us with the stupid clicking. I wonder if one of the brakes gurus can shed some light in this matter. I thing I will refurb the calipers one more time...

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Post by: Kam88 on October 01, 2015, 11:03:19 am
Tough one to call, taking your brakes off the car at any point is inconvenient and the extra expense is a PITA.
FYI I have brake squeal mainly at low speeds or going from reverse to forward although yours clicks.
I have bought everything to mitigate the issue but I think this is just inherent of the Porsche set-up and a well documented issue.
I didn't have any squeal to begin with, only appeared 1-2k onwards.
I hope you get it sorted soon!

Mike.

Mine is ones driven for few miles harder then squeals really weird
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Post by: Gaz on October 01, 2015, 11:08:37 am
What are these like for fitting behind wheels without spacers?

Im putting together an 18z BBK but think im going to struggle to fit them behind my 19x8" ET45 BBS CKs. I think i may need 10mm spacers, which i simply cant afford to do due to wheels already flush with arches. Im not getting rid of the wheels so may need to sell BBK and go down NQSBBK route if these will definitely fit behind my wheels..

Also, what caliper part numbers would i be looking for?
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Post by: spb on October 06, 2015, 08:40:28 am
You should look for Porsche Boxster non-s calipers parts no 986 351 421, 986 351 422

Behind standard ET 51 Edition 30 wheels (Rockingham or Pescara as they are named in the UK) NQSBBK doesn't fit without spacers. I use hub centric HR 8mm spacers. Only 2-3mm are required but the thinnest hub centric that you can find are 8mm. I think I will get a pair of BBS CH ET 45 or 44 to get rid of the spacers
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Post by: jedi-knight83 on October 09, 2015, 04:52:11 pm
Where is the rear brake thread?

Don't quite understand what the rear brake set up consists of


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Post by: petesimcock on October 10, 2015, 06:44:16 am
From the little bit of reading I did, it looked to be changing the gti calipers for ones with smaller Pistons. This I do not understand. Maybe I read it wrong
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on October 10, 2015, 07:39:14 am

Where is the rear brake thread?

Don't quite understand what the rear brake set up consists of


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Here's the link:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60375.0.html

Also try searching for 'Caddy 2k rear mod'

The calipers have larger 41mm pistons, same as S3 brakes but you retain the 286 / 283mm solid disc

I have just done this mod and now have both front and rear "NQSBBK" set-up.
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Post by: petesimcock on October 10, 2015, 09:24:23 am
Ohhhhhh so I did get the wrong end of the stick!

Do the caddy carriers fit also? I would like to get everything refurbed to match my fronts without having to take my carriers off and send them away!
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on October 10, 2015, 09:38:07 am
Afraid not the caddy carriers are for smaller discs, I was in the same boat and tried to source some extra gti carriers but in the end just painted mine during the install.
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Post by: spb on November 23, 2015, 11:21:38 am
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped.

Any news on the clicking noise?
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on November 26, 2015, 08:36:44 pm
Bit of a long shot but have you checked and torqued up the M12 cap screws? These attach the caliper to the adaptor. (10mm Allen key head)
I was getting a knocking noise last week when coming to a complete stop and it turned out to be loose bolts!
I must of tightened them to 80 nm rather than 80 lbs ft.
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Post by: nick0188 on December 17, 2015, 05:34:33 pm
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped.

Any news on the clicking noise?

Fixed, just as of last night actually.  Took the calipers off and rebuilt them with all new pistons, seals and dust boots.  Used all new centric parts.  The old pistons didn't have any major visable scratching on them, but I did find a few tiny shavings inside the caliper themselves. 

I blew them out REALLY well multiple times, lubed the hell out of the new pistons before putting them back in, etc.  Anyway, drove it to work this morning and all noises are completely gone.  I really should have done this earlier, as this noise has been driving me absolutely crazy for months. 

So with about 2.5 hours of time, they are now rebuilt and noise free.  Very very happy!
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Post by: spb on January 21, 2016, 12:38:00 pm
Textar OEM Porsche pads and anti-rattle shims.......................VERY few squeeks if ever.  :happy2:

Got the shims and paid pads and every time i press the pedal i get noise

Are you getting the clicking noise I talked about before?  Or sqealing? 

To update my previous post, I replaced my pads and rotors (both only had ~10k miles, but the rotors were junk) and the clicking noise went away....for about a 2 weeks.  I'm assuming because the pistons didn't have to move very far due to the new pads the noise dissapeared.  Now that they have some miles on them, the clicking noise is back.  It's driving me absolutely crazy!  Anyone else have this issue, or have had it and fixed it?  I'm assuming at this stage of the game, the only option I now have is to remove the calipers again and clean/replace the seals and dust shields to see if that makes a difference.  They aren't leaking any fluid, so that seems to remove the possibility of the seals being bad and making the noise.  Only other thing I can think of is something with the dust shields. 

As for squealing, with Stoptech street pads and the vibration dampers I get absolutely zero sqeaking or sqealing.  Just the gosh darn clicking when applying the brake.  And I can only hear it when I'm stopped.

Any news on the clicking noise?

Fixed, just as of last night actually.  Took the calipers off and rebuilt them with all new pistons, seals and dust boots.  Used all new centric parts.  The old pistons didn't have any major visable scratching on them, but I did find a few tiny shavings inside the caliper themselves. 

I blew them out REALLY well multiple times, lubed the hell out of the new pistons before putting them back in, etc.  Anyway, drove it to work this morning and all noises are completely gone.  I really should have done this earlier, as this noise has been driving me absolutely crazy for months. 

So with about 2.5 hours of time, they are now rebuilt and noise free.  Very very happy!

Do you have the parts number for the new pistons, dust seals etc. Where did you get them? What lube did you use? I plan to do the same.
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Post by: spb on January 26, 2016, 11:11:52 am
I got also the centric parts   (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160126%2Ff619453f9980ea83cb187a76466388b1.jpg&hash=d8c1c878a1f6ceb00a3b182de37c481ecda6ef6a)

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Post by: Kris_editon30 on April 06, 2016, 12:40:26 am
so if i was to put the NQSBBK's on my car what pads would i need?? (cheap but good) :smiley:
and i'm assuming it will be normal disc that fit my car which is a golf mk5 edition 30..
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Post by: AIR_CHILLED on April 06, 2016, 10:04:15 pm
so if i was to put the NQSBBK's on my car what pads would i need?? (cheap but good) :smiley:
and i'm assuming it will be normal disc that fit my car which is a golf mk5 edition 30..

Hi mate,
Pagid is a good budget pad (£50).
Textar are the oem grade pads and about £20 more.
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on June 21, 2016, 09:43:06 pm
Evening chaps,

I've decided to jump on the band wagon with the NQS BBK.

So far, I've got the calipers and VB Fitting kit on route from Brake Caliper Refurbs.


Now, I'm not after a track setup so will mostly settle with standard discs.

Could anyone please link me to a set of decent quality pads? I've ordered Dampening pads to coincide via ECP.

I'll also need the caliper fitting kit via Porsche as my Calipers didnt come with unfortunately.


Do I need spacers with 18" Detroits?  :thinking:
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Post by: Shoduchi on June 21, 2016, 09:48:28 pm
You need spacers. It's been told here, I'm sure.  :wink:
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on June 29, 2016, 09:52:04 pm
You need spacers. It's been told here, I'm sure.  :wink:

 :happy2:

I'm just debating if 5mm will be enough now  :thinking:
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Post by: spb on June 29, 2016, 09:54:08 pm
5mm hub centric you won't find anywhere. 8mm is the lowest you can go with a fair amount of safety

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Post by: daz_rt_04 on June 29, 2016, 10:00:56 pm
5mm hub centric you won't find anywhere. 8mm is the lowest you can go with a fair amount of safety

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I was looking at these?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141661262002?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141661262002?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
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Post by: MC71 on July 01, 2016, 08:25:27 pm
@daz_rt_04 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=15357)

Id recommend min 8mm Hubcentric spacers on the those Detriots.  :happy2:
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on July 02, 2016, 04:16:59 pm
@daz_rt_04 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=15357)

Id recommend min 8mm Hubcentric spacers on the those Detriots.  :happy2:

Thanks @MC71 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4913)

I'll do some searching around  :happy2:
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on July 05, 2016, 06:58:08 pm
Does anyone know the Porsche fitting kit part number?

I have 996 352 959 01 to hand?
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Post by: spb on July 05, 2016, 07:38:23 pm
Does anyone know the Porsche fitting kit part number?

I have 996 352 959 01 to hand?
996 should be no good because they are Carrera calipers and don't have the right pistons sizes. I'm not 100% sure so you must check a second opinion. Dave mentioned in one of the first posts what exact parts you should get

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Post by: skuncan67 on July 07, 2016, 06:30:07 pm
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly... 



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Post by: Shoduchi on July 08, 2016, 07:17:26 am
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...
I never upgraded the MC and I have the same brake setup that you have. The brake pedal feels great and progressive. I can put all my weight on the pedal and the car just stops really hard. :grin:
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Post by: skuncan67 on July 08, 2016, 08:07:14 am
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...
I never upgraded the MC and I have the same brake setup that you have. The brake pedal feels great and progressive. I can put all my weight on the pedal and the car just stops really hard. :grin:

To be honest i have not test drove it... and i realised this morning that i used DOT5.1 brake oil and not the VW spec stuff... so i will drain the system and replace the oil...but i found the lack of movement in the pedal a bit worrying really...
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Post by: spb on July 08, 2016, 10:02:19 am
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...
I never upgraded the MC and I have the same brake setup that you have. The brake pedal feels great and progressive. I can put all my weight on the pedal and the car just stops really hard. :grin:
Is the MC compatible with the calipers pistons? I think someone posted the compatibility list and the Cayenne calipers were in the wrong side of the chart
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Post by: rich83 on July 08, 2016, 10:26:33 am
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...


You should bleed the fronts first.

When you say solid do you mean solid with the engine on or off?? If it goes solid with the engine off that is normal
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Post by: skuncan67 on July 08, 2016, 10:37:05 am
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...


You should bleed the fronts first.

When you say solid do you mean solid with the engine on or off?? If it goes solid with the engine off that is normal

It was with the engine off, but i have drained the whole system now and i will put VW 501.14 brake oil in and bleed again....  but am a bit concerned about the compatibility of the TTRS MC to my R32..but from what i have read it should be all good... and i had no issues with fitting... total straight swap...
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: rich83 on July 08, 2016, 11:04:41 am
The pedal will go hard with the engine off. 100% normal.

You shouldn't really need the TTRS MC

Also.  You shouldn't drain the system. No need to do that.
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Post by: spb on July 08, 2016, 11:05:39 am
If the engine is not running the servo braking unit is not running. Didn't you notice before that after several hours when you start the car the break pedal is concrete hard? I would say try to start it and the pedal should become normal soft
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Post by: skuncan67 on July 08, 2016, 11:10:36 am
The pedal will go hard with the engine off. 100% normal.

You shouldn't really need the TTRS MC

Ok thanks.... well its fitted now  :smiley:... I will try again once i have refreshed the brake oil with VW spec...
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Post by: skuncan67 on July 08, 2016, 11:13:25 am
If the engine is not running the servo braking unit is not running. Didn't you notice before that after several hours when you start the car the break pedal is concrete hard? I would say try to start it and the pedal should become normal soft

At the moment the car is on axle stands all round... as am doing the suspension also.. Once its done and back on the wheels i will test and see  :smiley:
thanks
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Post by: Shoduchi on July 08, 2016, 11:13:34 pm
Ah! It might be all good once you start the engine. That brake oil shouldn't be an issue but I prefer using DOT4. ATE SL6 at the moment but I can try the Motul option in the future.
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Post by: Shoduchi on July 08, 2016, 11:17:23 pm
Hi All,

I have just fitted my 6 pots cayenne with the TTRS MC (25.4mm) to my 2006 R32 LHD (french car)  and the brakes on the back are currently standard
Bleed the system completely around starting at the back to front... now i this may sound strange... but my brake pedal is solid... only the slightest movement... is this normal.. i was at least expecting more than a little movement...? 

Its just a little worrying for some reason... like i have missed something ? 

any advice would be great...

thanks
Duncan

MC is a ATE part number 03.2125-5112.3, which is TTRS 2011-14 models Audi PN is 8J1 611 021 C. No problems fitting the MC.. new o-ring rubber and fitting bolts...all the pipes line up perfectly...
I never upgraded the MC and I have the same brake setup that you have. The brake pedal feels great and progressive. I can put all my weight on the pedal and the car just stops really hard. :grin:
Is the MC compatible with the calipers pistons? I think someone posted the compatibility list and the Cayenne calipers were in the wrong side of the chart
I know that but after reading so many good reviews of them without upgrading the MC I decided to fit them. I'm happy like others with their performance.  :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: rich83 on July 28, 2016, 11:31:48 pm
The part number for the Caddy 2K rears are....

2K0615423B   LEFT
2K0615424B     RIGHT

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Post by: rich83 on July 31, 2016, 02:44:20 pm
You will also need to swap all the brackets on the back of the calipers. Info and pics to come.

Also if you are going to do this mod. then you need to make sure you buy some new hard lines as the will almost certainly be stuck on to your original calipers.
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on July 31, 2016, 06:54:13 pm
Just finished fitting my front NQSBBK.

Mines soley road car, I used Brembo discs and Textar pads (P/N's below from ECP) and they perform really well together.

To make it easier for people, below is a complete list of the part numbers I used;

Calipers - 986.351.421 & 986.351.422 / Refurbed set via www.brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk/
Caliper Fitting Kit - AK0002 - Vagbremtechnic
Textar Pads - 101330166 - ECP
Brembo Discs - 10444150A - ECP
Warning Wire - 99661236500 - Porsche / Or disable via vagcom (I did this)
Pad Fitting Kit x 1 - 99635195901 - Porsche
H&R 8mm Hubcentric Spacers - DPM Performance - 1655572

I didn't bother with Shims for the pads, mine do not presently squeel  :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Frr248%2FDaz_rt_04%2Ffile7_zpsx7q0izvn.jpeg&hash=7506446bf5412dced58278536c9db5fab69725d7)
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Post by: Paradox1 on August 01, 2016, 10:35:50 am
They look so fresh.

the GTI should have came with these as standard.
Im doing a BBK at the moment. was looking at the 986 calipers but at the time they were going for silly money.
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Post by: daz_rt_04 on August 04, 2016, 09:59:35 pm
They look so fresh.

the GTI should have came with these as standard.
Im doing a BBK at the moment. was looking at the 986 calipers but at the time they were going for silly money.


For the costs, I'd definitely recommend this setup - Its not the biggest yet its a big improvement over the standard setup.

 :drinking:
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Post by: Paradox1 on August 08, 2016, 04:55:38 pm
They look so fresh.

the GTI should have came with these as standard.
Im doing a BBK at the moment. was looking at the 986 calipers but at the time they were going for silly money.

No its not an expensive setup at all. just I was replying on Ebay sellers and they were hiking up the price just because.

Im fitting some touareg 4pots when I get the time to. simular setup to the 996TT calipers.

For the costs, I'd definitely recommend this setup - Its not the biggest yet its a big improvement over the standard setup.

 :drinking:
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Post by: boost30 on October 21, 2016, 11:33:59 am
These look the business! What did it end up costing? The whole kit without installation.

Just finished fitting my front NQSBBK.

Mines soley road car, I used Brembo discs and Textar pads (P/N's below from ECP) and they perform really well together.

To make it easier for people, below is a complete list of the part numbers I used;

Calipers - 986.351.421 & 986.351.422 / Refurbed set via www.brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk/
Caliper Fitting Kit - AK0002 - Vagbremtechnic
Textar Pads - 101330166 - ECP
Brembo Discs - 10444150A - ECP
Warning Wire - 99661236500 - Porsche / Or disable via vagcom (I did this)
Pad Fitting Kit x 1 - 99635195901 - Porsche
H&R 8mm Hubcentric Spacers - DPM Performance - 1655572

I didn't bother with Shims for the pads, mine do not presently squeel  :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Frr248%2FDaz_rt_04%2Ffile7_zpsx7q0izvn.jpeg&hash=7506446bf5412dced58278536c9db5fab69725d7)
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Post by: Shoduchi on March 19, 2017, 04:51:44 pm
New option of a NQSBBK from the 2016 Audi TTS mk3 8S: ATE 4 pistons front calipers with 338 mm discs

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tflcar.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2F2016_audi_tts_23.jpg&hash=cb3123f5f3f8902ceafbefe9c9d3a956f974f476)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/24aa6f2a-d6ac-4442-a27f-e1a2703e020b.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/0522d58c-89cd-40e8-9095-4e5dd637f317.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/9d118308-800c-4058-b50c-a035c55aad0f.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/7a2b2ab3-1db0-4c38-87a1-90ddcbd23226.JPG)
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Post by: AJP on March 19, 2017, 05:27:18 pm
New option of a NQSBBK from the 2016 Audi TTS mk3 8S: ATE 4 pistons front calipers with 338 mm discs

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tflcar.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2F2016_audi_tts_23.jpg&hash=cb3123f5f3f8902ceafbefe9c9d3a956f974f476)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/24aa6f2a-d6ac-4442-a27f-e1a2703e020b.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/0522d58c-89cd-40e8-9095-4e5dd637f317.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/9d118308-800c-4058-b50c-a035c55aad0f.JPG)

(https://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/7a2b2ab3-1db0-4c38-87a1-90ddcbd23226.JPG)
Interesting! I mentioned the possibility of these in the big mk7 R / PP brake thread. I only had one photo to go on but I thought at the time the calipers looked different.

These should be a definite step up from the single piston setup. Any idea on weights etc? And the TTS MC?

Good find mate
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Post by: Shoduchi on March 20, 2017, 11:26:54 am
Interesting! I mentioned the possibility of these in the big mk7 R / PP brake thread. I only had one photo to go on but I thought at the time the calipers looked different.

These should be a definite step up from the single piston setup. Any idea on weights etc? And the TTS MC?

Good find mate

No ideas on the weight but shouldn't be much different from the R/GTI PP/S3/Cupra calipers.

I wouldn't worry about the size of the MC. I still have to check on ETKA if it has a different part number and if so, what size it is.

Just think that my Brembo 18Z have 6 pistons that combined have less area than the single piston of the R/GTI PP/S3/Cupra calipers, and the MC is still 23,8 mm for those brakes. These 4 pistons don't look that big, so it should be ok with the 23,8 mm MC too. :smiley:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: rich83 on March 20, 2017, 01:38:40 pm
Not quite...

If the PP piston is 50mm then the area is 1963.5mm2

If the 18Z pistons are 30/34/38 the the area is about 5500mm2


Unless I have made a huge maths fail
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Post by: mdmay on March 20, 2017, 01:50:25 pm
To calculate the effective area you only calculate for one side not both as per a sliding caliper

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Post by: Shoduchi on March 20, 2017, 01:52:26 pm
Not quite...

If the PP piston is 50mm then the area is 1963.5mm2

If the 18Z pistons are 30/34/38 the the area is about 5500mm2


Unless I have made a huge maths fail

Stock GTI/Ed. 30: ATE FN3 54 mm = 2290 mm²
R32/6R/S3 8P/TTS/Cupra mk2: ATE FNRG 57 mm = 2552 mm²
Brembo 18Z (30/34/38 mm): 707 + 908 + 1134 = 2749 mm²
GTI PP/Ed. 40/7R/S3 8V/Cupra mk3: TRW 60 mm = 2826 mm²

Those are my calculations. :confused:
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: JamesED30 on June 09, 2018, 10:51:52 pm
Anyone still running this kit??
Anyone selling this kit??
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Christiank on June 10, 2018, 07:22:15 am
Anyone still running this kit??
Anyone selling this kit??

I have it to both front and rear ..
My rear is the Caddy calipers with 41mm piston instead of the 37mm found on the GTI.

I'm having some trouble with my front kit since I'm running the alloy hubs from Cupa/S3/Passat. Hopefully it will possible to get a solution soon and have it installed
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: berg on June 14, 2018, 08:58:33 am
Anyone still running this kit??
Anyone selling this kit??


you can buy them off johnny at brakecaliperrefurbs
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: JamesED30 on June 20, 2018, 10:20:30 pm
Anyone still running this kit??
Anyone selling this kit??

I have it to both front and rear ..
My rear is the Caddy calipers with 41mm piston instead of the 37mm found on the GTI.

I'm having some trouble with my front kit since I'm running the alloy hubs from Cupa/S3/Passat. Hopefully it will possible to get a solution soon and have it installed


Your running the same calipers on the rear? Or the boxster rear calipers on the rear?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: JamesED30 on June 20, 2018, 10:26:41 pm
Did any1 run S3/R32 splash shields with this kit?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Christiank on June 24, 2018, 06:57:26 am
No, I run Porsche 986 front and VW Caddy calipers on the rear. Same size as the GTI caliper just with a larger piston in it.

Why run R32 splash guards when it'll fit with normal GTI 312 front / 288 rear guards?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: JamesED30 on July 04, 2018, 03:55:01 pm

Why run R32 splash guards when it'll fit with normal GTI 312 front / 288 rear guards?
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Cause my standard ones are shagged and I got them from VW for £19. 😂
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Christiank on November 22, 2018, 03:23:20 pm
Have fitted both front and rear NQSBBK setup for my mk5 .

Running with Vagbremtechnic J-hooked discs at all 4 whees with DS2500 pads.

Got a MASSIVE squeeking noice when braking, I've installed the anti rattle shims to hopefully could prevent this - but sadly they do make a lot of noise!

Anyone in here have runned with DS2500 pads for this setup? Need to hear if I should buy some Textar pads instead since my car will never see track :thinking:
Title: 16" Fitment Questions
Post by: Blade3562 on December 31, 2018, 01:23:33 am
So I'm another colonist with a Mk7/MQB chiming in. I read through the thread and am curious about the 16" fitment. My wheel choice is still up in the air, but I'm wondering if anyone has a good template or measurement technique for fitment? The only post with tips has missing photos. I'm planning to run them on my '17 GSW 4Motion that I'm lifting about 2-3"! There is a much better selection of 16" off road tires that fit than 17" ones so I'm hoping I can make these fit under some 16s. Currently the car has the OEM Toronto's(16x6.5 ET46, pretty flat mounting surface/spoke design). Thinking about running 1552s or some Sparco Terras.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCyZC47m.jpg&hash=8b07de1c73a06d3dc82b2fe76cd3698fa68c36ca)

I have some Neuspeed 6 pistons that use the OE 340mm rotors on my track car, but sadly they require 17s.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfH7sUxx.jpg&hash=b49c40dc7e7c32d2add08c68afc36cefadd549a3)
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: Martyndg on March 15, 2019, 08:14:08 am
So I’m probably asking a question asked many times but o can’t find a definitive answer.

Front 986 calipers on mk5 golf with 18” Monza.

What spacers, if any, are required??

Many thanks


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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: colesey on March 15, 2019, 09:02:25 am
Minimal by the looks of things

www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48861.0
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: LegendaryAllen on September 07, 2019, 09:37:15 pm
Hi,
Looking for some help/advice.

I have recently come into possession of some Porsche Panamera Rear calipers (970352425) from what I’ve found out they run 330x28mm discs. I’m looking to run them as front brakes on my 2.0TDI Touran.
Now I understand it may not be conventional to run rear brakes on the front but as they are 4 pot brembos I figured it would still be an upgrade over the standard brake setup. I need an adaptor bracket. Can anyone shed any light on what bracket I need and where I can get it?

Is there anything else I need to know? Or do?
Thanks in advance


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Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: drval85 on December 20, 2020, 11:22:35 pm
Hello!  Looking for some help. I’ve had the NQSBBK installed for a while. Have a clicking that drives me nuts. When hitting the brakes after switching between first and reverse.

I’ll hit the brakes, and the pads will rock either up or down in the caliper along the rotor depending on the direction I’m going and make noise. Almost like the pads are too small for the caliper. No squealing. Anyone ever dealt with this? Have a video of the pads moving, but can’t attach it. Don’t have the shims installed, because I was under the impression those are for squealing, not this issue. Akebono pads for non-S boxsters.


Edit: the Akebono brake pads are at fault. Common issue with BMW platforms with Akebono as well.  Slightly too small, so they rock back and forth in the caliper and click with each change of direction. Anyone ever resolve this somehow?
Title: Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..NQS Rear mods now.....
Post by: drval85 on April 19, 2021, 11:58:22 pm
Anyone know if these calipers will interfere with a set of BBS RS795’s?  18x8 et43, but the RG2’s I own only clear by like 1.5 mm and they’re 18x8 et40.