MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Black9 on February 01, 2016, 04:24:41 pm
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Regretted selling my 30 years ago. Still have a KO3 Gti but will good expamples of edition 30s become future classics?
If so which transmission will be more desirable?
Considering buying another in 5 door, grey, DSG, 75K, needs cambelt and DSG... 2007. Basic spec. What's is worth?
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It's a difficult one. It's a mass produced car at the end of the day, but has an enthusiast following which seems to keep the prices quite bouyant. I thought the number of Edition 30s built was about the same number as GTI's... (but don't quote me on that!).
I'd have thought a Pirelli Edition would be the more sought after car as a modern classic. I did try one before my Edition 30, but even though the trim was better in the flesh than in photo's, I just didn't like it as much as the ED30. Plus, having to explain why your seats have tyre tread trim on them would get very dull indeed...
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Eh? Same amount as ed30's as gti's? Be surprised if that was true
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It's a difficult one. It's a mass produced car at the end of the day, but has an enthusiast following which seems to keep the prices quite bouyant. I thought the number of Edition 30s built was about the same number as GTI's... (but don't quote me on that!).
I'd have thought a Pirelli Edition would be the more sought after car as a modern classic. I did try one before my Edition 30, but even though the trim was better in the flesh than in photo's, I just didn't like it as much as the ED30. Plus, having to explain why your seats have tyre tread trim on them would get very dull indeed...
The ED30 was the 30 year celebration of the Golf I believe. In terms of number my understanding was originally there was 1500 made but them a further batch so 2500 in total so a special edition as in the name
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It's a difficult one. It's a mass produced car at the end of the day, but has an enthusiast following which seems to keep the prices quite bouyant. I thought the number of Edition 30s built was about the same number as GTI's... (but don't quote me on that!).
I'd have thought a Pirelli Edition would be the more sought after car as a modern classic. I did try one before my Edition 30, but even though the trim was better in the flesh than in photo's, I just didn't like it as much as the ED30. Plus, having to explain why your seats have tyre tread trim on them would get very dull indeed...
Pirelli and vw teamed up many years ago end of story :signLOL:
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Sorry - got my facts wrong with the numbers :ashamed:. Just been looking on howmanyleft.co.uk, and GTI does massively outweigh the ED30. Looks as though there are 833 DSG versions, and 1300 manual versions of the ED30 on the road, with 74 DSG Pirelli's, and 133 manual versions.
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It's a difficult one. It's a mass produced car at the end of the day, but has an enthusiast following which seems to keep the prices quite bouyant. I thought the number of Edition 30s built was about the same number as GTI's... (but don't quote me on that!).
I'd have thought a Pirelli Edition would be the more sought after car as a modern classic. I did try one before my Edition 30, but even though the trim was better in the flesh than in photo's, I just didn't like it as much as the ED30. Plus, having to explain why your seats have tyre tread trim on them would get very dull indeed...
Pirelli and vw teamed up many years ago end of story :signLOL:
What was the Pirelli Edition for as in the ED30 was 30 years of golf??
In my opinion as there are few ED30's made and it is a beautiful car it is in my eyes a modern classic as even though I run mine as a daily car I intend to at some point just keep it as a hobby car when I upagrade to something else :happy2:
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Sorry - got my facts wrong with the numbers :ashamed:. Just been looking on howmanyleft.co.uk, and GTI does massively outweigh the ED30. Looks as though there are 833 DSG versions, and 1300 manual versions of the ED30 on the road, with 74 DSG Pirelli's, and 133 manual versions.
Yeah as said about 2500 in total for the ED30 and the GTI was just a normal mass produced car
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Being rare doesn't make it a classic.
Dont think ed30 is anything special imo.
Pirelli a tad more so but nowhere near like a mk2 gti is.
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When will people realise the ed30 isn't a special car at all, it's nice but just as nice as a normal gti. IMO people get far too carried away with it :indifferent:
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Take your points but would agree to disagree.
A classic car is in the eye of the beholder. I have seen some cars of the past that in my opinion were horrible but classed as classics for simple reasons like how many made or specific features unique to them.
The ED30 has some unique features and only 2500 roughly made but VW themselves have made it as a special edition and whether you agree or not this will be referred to by VW in the future as a milestone/special edition car
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Nothing overly special about the pirelli edition
A Golf GTI named after a tyre company might seem to be a strange way to finish the MkV model’s life, but Volkswagen hopes it will have hot hatch fans gripped!
The Italian rubber giant has history with VW, too. In 1983, the car maker produced a GTI Pirelli based on the original Golf MkI. It was fitted with tyres from the firm and had distinctive 13-inch ‘P-slot’ alloys.
With a total production run of 10,500 units selling out within six months, it was a massive success. And now, 25 years later, the two manufacturers are celebrating their continued relationship by releasing a 21st Century version.
As with the original, the new car has a unique set of wheels, obviously shod with Pirelli tyres. Unfortunately, the style of the rims and the colour-coded bodywork detracts from some of the subtle detailing that makes the stock GTI look so good.
Inside, all the best bits of the standard model remain. Smart instruments and a well laid-out and solidly assembled dash are what make this one of the easiest hot hatches to live with on a day-to-day basis. In homage to Pirelli’s trademark colours, you get yellow stitching on the steering wheel and gearlever, but the most obvious interior difference is the tyre tread-effect material on the front seats.
Whatever you think about the trim, the driving position is perfect, and the seats are superbly comfortable, although they don’t offer as much lateral support as the figure-hugging buckets in the Renault.
But this GTI isn’t a stripped-out trackday special. As a result, the Golf has decent rear legroom and a practical boot.
The only mechanical change comes under the bonnet. As with the now sold-out GTI Edition 30, the 2.0-litre TFSI engine in the Pirelli has been boosted from 197bhp to a more generous 227bhp. There’s no doubt the extra 30bhp is appreciated on both road and track. The seven-second 0-60mph time we recorded was in wet conditions, and the German model offers plenty of overtaking grunt in the real world. What’s more, unlike the Renault and Honda, the VW remains relaxed and refined even when pushed. However, the Golf lacks the manic nature of the Civic, and doesn’t have the punch of the Focus. And as it weighs a substantial 127kg more than the Renault, it unsurprisingly can’t match that model’s pace. Nevertheless, it is still a very fast and usable road car; it’s simply not as raw as rivals.
The story is similar when it comes to handling. The GTI’s suspension strikes a great balance between body control and ride quality, while the steering is engaging and the handling accurate and composed.
In this company the VW is outclassed, though. Without the stiffer suspension and clever diff of the Honda and Renault, it relies on its stability control to deliver traction. On the track it feels softer and has less grip than the racy Mégane.
If you want a limited-edition GTI with a little extra power, you won’t be disappointed. But if you’re after a hot Golf that can set your heart racing like never before, you might wonder if the Pirelli is extreme enough...
Details
Price: £21,995
Model tested: VW Golf GTI Pirelli
Chart position: 4
WHY: Ahead of Golf GTI MkVI’s arrival, this Pirelli MkV special edition has been launched.
Economy
AT £21,995 the GTI Pirelli isn’t cheap – only the Mégane has a higher price. Dubious styling additions also make the Golf the least successful transformation here, and that’s reflected in its residual, which is two per cent below the standard GTI’s. It will still be worth £9,434 after three years/30,000 miles, but a stock GTI will be £9,209 – despite costing £1,500 less new! Still, low CO2 emissions of 194g/km mean Pirelli company buyers fare better over rivals here.
Key specs
Tacky tread-pattern seats and Pirelli wheels do the Golf GTI no favours. We prefer the standard car, which is more attractive, cheaper and better to drive.
* Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl
* Power: 227bhp
* 0-60mph: 7.0 seconds
* Economy: 23.5mpg
* Euro NCAP rating: Five stars
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Yes but the word special is getting used far to easy, it's special because it comes with some colour coding body parts, half leather and 30 bhp more? Wow. It should of came with two recaro buckets in the front, 260bhp and something like 100kgs shaved off the car plus Maybes a diff. Don't get me wrong I like them but no more than I like the normal ones, end of the day it's the same car.
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Yes but the word special is getting used far to easy, it's special because it comes with some colour coding body parts, half leather and 30 bhp more? Wow. It should of came with two recaro buckets in the front, 260bhp and something like 100kgs shaved off the car plus Maybes a diff. Don't get me wrong I like them but no more than I like the normal ones, end of the day it's the same car.
I agree and think the main argument for why it is not special is the standard GTI is so good already. Probably why there was not many changes they made to the ED30 to make it different. To me it is special as it is slightly different to the mainstream and the subtle differences tick all my boxes and probably why I do not have any desire to upgrade to the MK7 etc
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same cars but 30 hp more with a few trimmings :signLOL:
Yes it should of had 260 hp and recaro wrap round buckets like dome of the R32's but unfortunately that didn't happen :sad1:
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Weren't the R32's buckets an option though?
Too many folk run down 'special editions' because they should have had this, that and the other. 99% of VW buyers don't want bucket seats, they don't want 100Kg of trim and sound deadening removed, they don't want too much power through the front wheels, they don't want the negative effects of a diff, they don't want to stand out from the crowd and they certainly don't want to pay over the odds to have said parts binned. Think 911 GT3 - "You want no A/C, no radio, no rear seats, no spare wheel and no electric windows? That'll be £10K extra please sir"
IMO what VW did with the ED30 was bang on and is the best looking MK5 Golf by a country mile. And it's special enough for people to choose them over a regular GTI, but it won't be a classic - that much we can agree on :smiley:
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Weren't the R32's buckets an option though?
Too many folk run down 'special editions' because they should have had this, that and the other. 99% of VW buyers don't want bucket seats, they don't want 100Kg of trim and sound deadening removed, they don't want too much power through the front wheels, they don't want the negative effects of a diff, they don't want to stand out from the crowd and they certainly don't want to pay over the odds to have said parts binned. Think 911 GT3 - "You want no A/C, no radio, no rear seats, no spare wheel and no electric windows? That'll be £10K extra please sir"
IMO what VW did with the ED30 was bang on and is the best looking MK5 Golf by a country mile. And it's special enough for people to choose them over a regular GTI, but it won't be a classic - that much we can agree on :smiley:
My point exactly but you worded it much better haha.
It is for the best model from the MK5 series which again forme the best looking set of the golf MK ranges to date.
I still believe VW will end up calling it a classic but forme it will be known as a special edition which is a totally different category to classic so no comparing really
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given enough years pretty much any vw with GTI in the name will be a classic. and historically limited run cars do tend to be more collectible.. but only time will tell
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Ive a 2009 Pirelli edition which is a Classic..
:pomppomp: Wanna buy it? :pomppomp:
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Weren't the R32's buckets an option though?
Too many folk run down 'special editions' because they should have had this, that and the other. 99% of VW buyers don't want bucket seats, they don't want 100Kg of trim and sound deadening removed, they don't want too much power through the front wheels, they don't want the negative effects of a diff, they don't want to stand out from the crowd and they certainly don't want to pay over the odds to have said parts binned. Think 911 GT3 - "You want no A/C, no radio, no rear seats, no spare wheel and no electric windows? That'll be £10K extra please sir"
IMO what VW did with the ED30 was bang on and is the best looking MK5 Golf by a country mile. And it's special enough for people to choose them over a regular GTI, but it won't be a classic - that much we can agree on :smiley:
Well yes they should of had this and the other as they are suppose to be a 'special edition' :stupid: otherwise I don't this the big hype over them for a few cosmetics. I can guarantee if it came with the 3 things I mentioned they would of sold just as many and actually had the right to wear the 'special' badge. Also by reducing the weight I wasn't meaning to take away all the comforts of the mk5, I was more thinking of light weights seats, alloys etc etc
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Weren't the R32's buckets an option though?
Too many folk run down 'special editions' because they should have had this, that and the other. 99% of VW buyers don't want bucket seats, they don't want 100Kg of trim and sound deadening removed, they don't want too much power through the front wheels, they don't want the negative effects of a diff, they don't want to stand out from the crowd and they certainly don't want to pay over the odds to have said parts binned. Think 911 GT3 - "You want no A/C, no radio, no rear seats, no spare wheel and no electric windows? That'll be £10K extra please sir"
IMO what VW did with the ED30 was bang on and is the best looking MK5 Golf by a country mile. And it's special enough for people to choose them over a regular GTI, but it won't be a classic - that much we can agree on :smiley:
Well yes they should of had this and the other as they are suppose to be a 'special edition' :stupid: otherwise I don't this the big hype over them for a few cosmetics. I can guarantee if it came with the 3 things I mentioned they would of sold just as many. Also by reducing the weight I wasn't meaning to take away all the comforts of the mk5, I was more thinking of light weights seats, alloys etc etc
And how do you propose VW lose 100Kg, fit bigger arbs, trick dampers, special racing alloys, carbon bucket seats etc and bring it in at an affordable price? Most of the budget developing the ED30 was spent on the engine, styling and interior. Like I said, most VW buyers don't want crap like that. If people want stripped out specials, they buy flimsy crap with rock hard suspension like the Megane R26 R don't they.
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Don't have to be bang on 100kg but like what I said above plus some ally suspension parts, cross members loads of this kind of thing from the audi cars that they fit. Even the tts rotors weight less than the R. Any weight loss would be better than what they did tbh.
I never said vw buyers want all that (what you made up not me) 'crap' I said some nice buckets, bit weight loss, more power, not a stripped out special at all.with them things added you still wouldn't be able to compare it to a r26r, it would still be a very vw car :stupid:
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Lets see what they say in 20 years time is what we need to wait for as we will never know otherwise.
I still like those r32 bucket seats but for £1000-1500 f that :booty:
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Hope so for future resale purposes!
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Lets see what they say in 20 years time is what we need to wait for as we will never know otherwise.
I still like those r32 bucket seats but for £1000-1500 f that :booty:
Best investment I made. I paid £1700 for mine nearly 3 years ago and they've been in 2 cars (and probably a 3rd if I get another VAG car) and I can sell them pretty much anytime for the same money.
Anyway, someone up above mentioned removing of what are deemed creature comforts and charging more. The Porsche 911GT3 RS for example. OK so it's stripped out and comes with "less" equipment and yet it's a lot more money? Because the money is spent on making it a better drivers car. OK so they don't come with AC but 95% are specced with these creature comforts like AC and cruise control and decent stereo.
They are worth money because they are the epitome of what drivers want, a focused car which is less about faff and more about driving.
I definitely think there would have been a market for a VW which had no rear seats, half cage, weight reduction etc.
It's easy to lose 100kg from a car. Taking a car with the R32 brake setup replace with the TTRS brakes and TTS discs (15kg lighter or something?), removal of rear seats and replace heavy standard seats with some lighter buckets / wingbacks / recaros (another 50kg quite easily), light wheels (15-20kg) , and that's without removing any interior trim bits / wiring / excess. Look at how many of us have 3 doors and never use the rear seats and fit all these lightweight and performance parts. That's where renault got the R26 R so good. Just imagine the focus of one of those with the interior quality and general reliability of a VW.
I don't see any of the MK5 / Mk6 cars being future classics unfortunately, they will be sought after because they are good cars but like the VR6 they will be wanted but worthless.
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If I didn't have a family I'd definitely own a 3 door hatch with rear seat delete like the tt quattro sport that has no rear seats, light weight bucket front seats and a few other light weight alterations.
Many who own tts are deleting the rear seats like the sports and even replacing seats for weight reduction.
Shame family come first :signLOL:
They certainly are lovely to sit in as I took an R32 on a test drive back in 2013 and fell in love with those bucket seats unfortunately the car was sha**** so I didn't buy it. 7k for a car that was battered to the pulp crash damaged front end, drive shafts knocking and car pulling all over the place even though it had new wishbones fitted both sides and front seat leather plastic grips were coming away from the backing and the trader said it was mint with only four owners to find out it had eight owners :stupid: bas**** made me travel 220miles round trip to find it was a piece of shi** with lie after lie. got home at 230am that night and was pissed off :mad:
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Don't have to be bang on 100kg but like what I said above plus some ally suspension parts, cross members loads of this kind of thing from the audi cars that they fit. Even the tts rotors weight less than the R. Any weight loss would be better than what they did tbh.
I never said vw buyers want all that (what you made up not me) 'crap' I said some nice buckets, bit weight loss, more power, not a stripped out special at all.with them things added you still wouldn't be able to compare it to a r26r, it would still be a very vw car :stupid:
Corporate hierarchy. Audis get all the nice bits because they charge more for their cars in the first place and they don't want the brand beneath being as good as, or better. Renault Sport and Ford RS, for example, don't have that problem. They have free reign to do what they like as it doesn't upset the branding apple cart.
Same with the 911 GT3 line up. There always has been a more driver focussed 911, so that one always gets the titanium engine parts, 8500rpm rev limit, carbon brakes, etc etc.
VWs have always been and always will be sold as all rounders. It's their bread and butter car. Audi are the 'sports' range.
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Well if anything to do with my previous car history then The ED30 is going to be a Classic , i have had Mini Cooper , Mk 1 And Mk2 RS2000 , Mk1 Gti , 2.8 Capri , Mk2 Gti 16v. If i had had space i would never have sold my ED30. I am seriously tempted by the one on the For Sale section though , just need to move house to get another garage
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VWs have always been and always will be sold as all rounders. It's their bread and butter car. Audi are the 'sports' range.
I would argue Seat are the sport range of the VAG group
No other car comes with the TTRS brakes and 300bhp for example. unlike the Leon.
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Those new Leon are flecking rapid as I raced one down the M1 back in September 2014 and that mother left for for dust and the rest. my 265bhp tt was no match what so ever :ashamed: the chap driving seemed cool as we had a 20mile long sprint and I'm sure he was pushing 155 + as he's cupra 64 plate kept on going like it was mapped 300 + maybe. or am I wrong?.
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Came across this article whilst searching for something unrelated:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/309173/Car-owners-could-be-set-for-windfall (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/309173/Car-owners-could-be-set-for-windfall)
Its from 2013 but interesting stuff.
Rich
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Could any of the mk5's be considered a future classic? If any, I'd say the R32; We're never going to see another V6-engined hatchback...
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I want to keep my Ed. 30 until it becomes a classic... :laugh:
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Give it 30 years when all others are scrapped or breaking for spares ans you'll have a classic in no time :signLOL:
That's how it works right?.
Fiat uno turbo mk1 loved the car :jumping: was selling for £99999 last year. Renault 5 gt turbo ? Peugeot 1.9 gti 1.6 gti classics?.
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Not keeping it because of a future resale price. :wink:
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I wished I had space for all the above including my mk1 gti mk3 gti and my tt as they'd all be stored by now. I need a barn :signLOL:
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BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting read with the future of modern classics and the price rises of late i think the ED30 is a pretty solid car for "Modern classic" status.
Pretty much overall view that the MK5 was the first GTi that was as good as the MK1 & 2..........
Does anyone know what the prices were of them in 2016 when this thread was started so we can compare them to todays prices
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The MK3 and MK4 were the only lemons. MK3s rusted to hell and drove like crap, and the MK4 was just a soggy dog.....but bizarrely enough, built way better than the MK5!
MK5 is a superb car dynamically. I've had all versions of GTI up to MK5 and driven 6 to 7.5. MK5 is still the best, subjectively :happy2:
As for values, I paid £9.5K for my manual 70K old ED30 in 2014.
I have no idea what they go for now but there a lot of people who over rate them in the market place and ask stupid money. Far more than they're worth imo. It's just a GTI with different wheels, engine and seats. Nothing that special imo.
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I don't don't have experience of the Mk1 or Mk2, but had a mk3 golf driver & then a mk4 1.8t. My family still think it's funny that I call the mk3 a hippo - well, that's what it drove like. My 1.8t came alive after a remap and then I think I lost my senses with a k04 conversion, R32 everything, TT short rack, and it became a bit more of a fun car.
There seems to be a lot of ED30's up for sale at the minute - 5-dr's seem to have lower miles, weirdly.
I think they are already at 'modern classic status', all I will say is that I think if you look after them, they depreciate more slowly than most. Bought mine on 47k for £12.5k from VW in 2012, now on 104k and maybe still worth £7k - maybe a bit more with the options & history of the car. Still, as ever, it is whatever someone is willing to pay... I'd rather drive the thing than polish it / look at it in the garage...
I still think the Pirelli will be the classic of the mk5 range, as few know what it is!
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MK4s can be good with mods, way better than OEM, but for me the body shell was too floppy to properly bolster up the stiffer aftermarket suspension. It just never had the requisite foundations. Roll on MK5 and you can fit the stiffest suspension in the world and the body shell can support it. Uber hard springs and dampers are worthless if the foundations bend and move.
That was very evident with the MK4 R32. It shipped with Bilstein B8s and H&R springs from the factory, which is a proven combo.....but the core structure couldn't cope with it. Crashy, wobbly, uncontrolled and unpredictable on the limit. The same kit on a MK5 is a completely different story :smiley:
But anyway, I agree, the ED30 is better as a driver's car than an investment.
Mine's now on 151K and probably worth 4K :grin:
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If I had the finances and a garage for this I’d be buying it!
https://www.rosespecialistcars.co.uk/car/2008-volkswagen-golf-gti-edition-30/
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It's just a GTI with different wheels, engine and seats. Nothing that special imo.
Plus the turbo surely :)
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MK4s can be good with mods, way better than OEM, but for me the body shell was too floppy to properly bolster up the stiffer aftermarket suspension. It just never had the requisite foundations. Roll on MK5 and you can fit the stiffest suspension in the world and the body shell can support it. Uber hard springs and dampers are worthless if the foundations bend and move.
That was very evident with the MK4 R32. It shipped with Bilstein B8s and H&R springs from the factory, which is a proven combo.....but the core structure couldn't cope with it. Crashy, wobbly, uncontrolled and unpredictable on the limit. The same kit on a MK5 is a completely different story :smiley:
But anyway, I agree, the ED30 is better as a driver's car than an investment.
Mine's now on 151K and probably worth 4K :grin:
I'll give you 4k for it........ :drinking:
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My thoughts on future values are.... Just look at Mk1 and Mk2 campaign models, campaign editions only had a slightly better spec and are now worth a lot more than the standard spec cars as they are more desirable.
Also if you keep your Ed30 until it is 40 years old then by definition it will become a "Classic Car"... :jumping:
I won't be parting with my Ed30 anyway, I guess only time will tell if it becomes a valuable classic!!!!
Max
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Give it 30 years when all others are scrapped or breaking for spares ans you'll have a classic in no time :signLOL:
That's how it works right?.
Fiat uno turbo mk1 loved the car :jumping: was selling for £99999 last year. Renault 5 gt turbo ? Peugeot 1.9 gti 1.6 gti classics?.
I sold my series 2 RS Turbo mk4 escort for £4500 along time ago. There going for 20k now!
This was my red RS. I owned the xr3i next to it at the same time before I sold them.
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I too had a couple of RS turbos, a red S2 and the series 1, both sh1t cars really, the series 2 had about 6 gearboxes in 2 years and the series 1 3 engines in a year. As above look at the prices of them nowadays. Madness.
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It's just a GTI with different wheels, engine and seats. Nothing that special imo.
Plus the turbo surely :)
True! Although it's just a slightly bigger snail that a lot of K03 folk retro fit :grin:
In all seriousness though, what is it about the ED30 that seems to elevate it to God status in GTI and car speculator circles, and indeed the Pirelli?
I don't get it personally. I only bought mine on the strength of being underwhelmed by both a TT 3.2 DSG and a TT 240 Sport I originally intended to buy, but just happened to spot a black Ed30 lurking in the back corner of the trader's garage. Test drove it and yeah, that'll do, I'll take it. Had it been a black 3 dr GTI, I may have bought that as well!
But since buying it, I've driven my mate's regular GTI and it's just as quick up to 60-70ish. The ED30 only comes into it's own past 80ish, otherwise, same car. No difference in handling, braking, NVH or much else to be honest.
I'm not dissing the ED30, I do like it objectively but I just don't get the crazy values over the GTI when it's pretty much the same car underneath the fake eye lashes, mascara and foundation!
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True! Although it's just a slightly bigger snail that a lot of K03 folk retro fit :grin:
In all seriousness though, what is it about the ED30 that seems to elevate it to God status in GTI and car speculator circles, and indeed the Pirelli?
I don't get it personally. I only bought mine on the strength of being underwhelmed by both a TT 3.2 DSG and a TT 240 Sport I originally intended to buy, but just happened to spot a black Ed30 lurking in the back corner of the trader's garage. Test drove it and yeah, that'll do, I'll take it. Had it been a black 3 dr GTI, I may have bought that as well!
But since buying it, I've driven my mate's regular GTI and it's just as quick up to 60-70ish. The ED30 only comes into it's own past 80ish, otherwise, same car. No difference in handling, braking, NVH or much else to be honest.
I'm not dissing the ED30, I do like it objectively but I just don't get the crazy values over the GTI when it's pretty much the same car underneath the fake eye lashes, mascara and foundation!
You get what's different between them better when you fit a TTE420 and run over 400 bhp without needing to forge the internals. It's much faster than any stage 3 K04 GTI. :wink:
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True! Although it's just a slightly bigger snail that a lot of K03 folk retro fit :grin:
In all seriousness though, what is it about the ED30 that seems to elevate it to God status in GTI and car speculator circles, and indeed the Pirelli?
I don't get it personally. I only bought mine on the strength of being underwhelmed by both a TT 3.2 DSG and a TT 240 Sport I originally intended to buy, but just happened to spot a black Ed30 lurking in the back corner of the trader's garage. Test drove it and yeah, that'll do, I'll take it. Had it been a black 3 dr GTI, I may have bought that as well!
But since buying it, I've driven my mate's regular GTI and it's just as quick up to 60-70ish. The ED30 only comes into it's own past 80ish, otherwise, same car. No difference in handling, braking, NVH or much else to be honest.
I'm not dissing the ED30, I do like it objectively but I just don't get the crazy values over the GTI when it's pretty much the same car underneath the fake eye lashes, mascara and foundation!
You get what's different between them better when you fit a TTE420 and run over 400 bhp without needing to forge the internals. It's much faster than any stage 3 K04 GTI. :wink:
But if you have to do all those mods to find a difference, then it is no longer the same car and the underlying design isn’t any more special, just as Pudding was saying. Much the same as all the road tests suggested back in the day.
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Indeed. Straight line performance is one dimensional. The rest of the car is identical, ergo, constrained by the same limitations. The only thing that separates an Edition 30 and a GTI, point to point, is the size of the driver's balls.
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But if you have to do all those mods to find a difference, then it is no longer the same car and the underlying design isn’t any more special, just as Pudding was saying. Much the same as all the road tests suggested back in the day.
If I remember correctly, the opinion of the Ed. 30 road tests was mostly that the added power and its progressiveness were a good upgrade. So I’d say that no one needs a normal GTI when you can get an Ed. 30 instead. :laugh:
That’s my opinion about the previous gen and the following. I’ve always preferred the anniversary editions. :innocent:
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I would argue the ED30 looks better, imo, with VW's usual stellar choice in wheels, and the colour coded plastics :happy2: As for the power differences, at the 200ps vs 230ps level, the only difference average consumers would notice is a bit more top end shove, and more lag below 3000 rpm as the penalty of a bigger turbo. When remapped, that's when things get interesting. Otherwise the two cars drive exactly the same.
That was then, though. What the f'ck are VW doing now with the myriad 'editions'? The Edition 45 is a disgrace! For the first time since the MK3 Anniversary, there's no additional power or a different engine over the base car, well, the Clubsport in this case. All you get is some sh1tty red striped wheels and 'GTI' emblems on the seats.
The Edition 50 needs to be REALLY good to make up for the pure marketing nonsense that is the ED45.