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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: JPW on September 09, 2010, 10:03:59 pm

Title: VW racing re-maps
Post by: JPW on September 09, 2010, 10:03:59 pm
Has everyone seen this: http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%205%20Pages/Golf%20PowerUpgrades.html (http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%205%20Pages/Golf%20PowerUpgrades.html)
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Hedge on September 09, 2010, 10:30:14 pm
Seem like a bargain  :confused:  :stupid:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 09, 2010, 11:20:37 pm
So for a CBE, Filter & Map VWR are charging £1500 :confused:

Where do i sign up :laugh:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: edd666999 on September 10, 2010, 01:27:59 am
gti + tbe, hpfp, panal filter and map = 330bhp? where do i sign!
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2010, 07:52:21 am
they are seriously mis guided, they are truly ut to rip people off in my opinion, with all thier rebranding and commission on top of normal RRP prices.

also correct me if im wrong, isnt it just a bluefin remap?
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: KRL on September 10, 2010, 08:48:40 am
In recent weeks after after reading about the engine mounts and now this my opinion of VWR has plummeted right down.

£1500 is a complete and utter rip off off for their stage 1.  It does not even include the full exhaust  :signLOL:  Anybody worth their salt knows the main restriction in the exhaust the the DP and not the back backbox...

Poor show VWR.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 10, 2010, 08:54:11 am
Fair play to them really. They are after all only copying someone else.

We all know of a manufacturer that charges more just because it has a VW Badge their own logo on it :evilgrin:













Sent from my secret bunker 4 miles undergorund :laugh:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: JPW on September 10, 2010, 12:25:00 pm
I think that I was misled by this statement; "So confident are we, that all Stage 1 Power Upgrades fitted to vehicles still under manufacturer's warranty will be covered under the VWR warranty - giving you complete peace of mind.  Note, this only applies to UK customers."

As my car is still under VW warranty I thought that this meant that the conversion could be done and not affect the  VW warranty, however I realise now that it is only VWR underwriting this if your car is still under the VW warranty.

I believe that Superchips do the software for the VWR upgrades, so there seems to be little benefit in going to VWR.

I only pick my car up this afternoon and it still has a year to run on the VW Warranty, but I wondered how to select a good reputable re-map supplier.  I really do not want to cause any reliability/durability problems and ensure that there is someone available to diagnose any issues should they occur.

Is there a guide or a list of recommended suppliers on the forum?
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2010, 03:22:11 pm
revo, jabba, apr, giac, shark performance, bluefin, PDT and many more
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 10, 2010, 03:47:51 pm
You forgot Hedge's favourite Sy,

:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: CUSTOM CODE :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:

 :evilgrin:


Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Hedge on September 10, 2010, 03:55:02 pm
You forgot Hedge's favourite Sy,

:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: CUSTOM CODE :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:

 :evilgrin:

I don't think Sy forgot anything.  :innocent:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2010, 04:28:15 pm
my bad,  cant bring myself to edit it though
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: JPW on September 10, 2010, 05:34:34 pm
Thanks guys.

A friend at work has a Morego 252 Stage1 and is very happy.  Now I've just picked up the car, I'll have to have a spin in his too!
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RedRobin on September 18, 2010, 09:23:38 am
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I'm not a fan of those commercial enterprises which rebrand and resell with excessive profit margins either, and I have used VWR for some time. But it's horses for courses and my car is Revo remapped at JKM who have a rolling-road and, like VWR, also know my car well.

I can only say that in my direct experience I continue to be extremely well treated by VWR in all aspects. My only criticism is that they very rarely return phone calls but I accept that and make another call until I speak to who I need to. I also accept that their priority is the VW Cup series and I fit in around that.

So, I don't think it's fair to suggest that VWR are rip-off artists. It is of course fair that everyone should feel free to express their opinions here.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: swf7y on September 18, 2010, 10:54:45 am
I've never used VWR, however from what I've heard they do a brilliant job and offer great customer service but that being said their prices always seem inflated. Or maybe I'm just a tight arse  :grin:

I don't mind paying extra for a great service and quality work but if I can get a product cheaper elsewhere, I will. Just my opinion  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RedRobin on September 18, 2010, 11:08:02 am
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I never shop around for the cheapest I can get. If I can't afford it I wait until I can. My next planned mod is TT wishbones.....   At VWR.

I'm much worse off financially than most people think I am but I'm sick of this 'money-money-money how-can-I-get-something-for-nothing' culture. FFS! You constantly overhear supermarket shoppers muttering to their partners they can get it cheaper elsewhere over a pot of jam! If you like wild blueberry jam then fecking well get it and enjoy it! [cue for my breakfast].

I'm a 'people person' and only stay with those I have a rapport with and, most importantly, trust. That goes for all my relationships.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: QD MBE on September 18, 2010, 12:09:53 pm
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I'm not a fan of those commercial enterprises which rebrand and resell with excessive profit margins either, and I have used VWR for some time. But it's horses for courses and my car is Revo remapped at JKM who have a rolling-road and, like VWR, also know my car well.

I can only say that in my direct experience I continue to be extremely well treated by VWR in all aspects. My only criticism is that they very rarely return phone calls but I accept that and make another call until I speak to who I need to. I also accept that their priority is the VW Cup series and I fit in around that.

So, I don't think it's fair to suggest that VWR are rip-off artists. It is of course fair that everyone should feel free to express their opinions here.

as you say that is your opinion, however it would be fair to say that they have made some mistakes along the way, on forum members cars.  Quite a few to be fair.

I must also say that their drive to put mistakes right is reassuring, again this is my opinion. 
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 18, 2010, 12:20:12 pm
I must also say that their drive to put mistakes right is reassuring, again this is my opinion. 

That is the crucial part. Any company even ones with Billions of £'s at their disposal can make mistakes (look at Toyota recently) however if they strive to fix any mistake then that is what people should look at.

But their over inflated prices are a bit off putting.

Take for Example JKM's equiv of there stage 1 package. VWR are charging £1500. JKM are charging £1380 including VAT for REVO Stage 1, Miltek CBE & EVOMS.

What does the Extra £120 get you? :confused:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: swf7y on September 18, 2010, 12:26:47 pm
^^^^^^^^
This is exactly my point. I'd rather have the extra money at my disposable to do what I like with it.

I also don't think it's about waiting until you can afford to get something done, the point is why pay extra for the same product?! Makes no sense to me  :confused:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Hedge on September 18, 2010, 12:28:24 pm

What does the Extra £120 get you? :confused:

Maybe some foreplay or at least a cuddle afterwards.  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 18, 2010, 12:29:02 pm
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I never shop around for the cheapest I can get. If I can't afford it I wait until I can. My next planned mod is TT wishbones.....   At VWR.

I'm much worse off financially than most people think I am but I'm sick of this 'money-money-money how-can-I-get-something-for-nothing' culture. FFS! You constantly overhear supermarket shoppers muttering to their partners they can get it cheaper elsewhere over a pot of jam! If you like wild blueberry jam then fecking well get it and enjoy it! [cue for my breakfast].

I'm a 'people person' and only stay with those I have a rapport with and, most importantly, trust. That goes for all my relationships.

Although that is the case with a lot of society RR i don't think there is anything wrong with having a look round to see if you can get the same product cheaper. If a company is providing the same thing cheaper of there own accord then thats not "money for nothing" attitude it's good money acumen in my opinion. However it's when people start trying to get all sorts of discount for no reason that i have problem with. :fighting:

I can get discount on a lot of things just for being in the forces. I rarely use it though and it's generally only if i want a piece of equipment for my job that i do use it.

Not knocking you for your opinion RR just putting a different spin on it  :drinking:

Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: QD MBE on September 18, 2010, 12:34:52 pm
As lots of people have said on this forum.  Do one Mod at a time, see what effect it has and then decide the next mod.

The package is ok, but perhaps first remap, then exhaust, and enjoy learning about your car along the way.  I would prefer to also have the cash in my sky rocket too.

Customer service is great, but you should not have to pay for it.

I always shop around, it is not where i buy from, more the item I am buying, I always do research on what brand I want, and If I can the same branded part cheaper at X than Z, then I will shop with X, as I can fit most things myself.

I went with VWR for a LSD Fit to my old Ed 30, and had a mixed experience of their work standards, however as I have said, their drive to rectify was reassuring.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2010, 12:41:33 pm
I can get discount on a lot of things just for being in the forces. I rarely use it though and it's generally only if i want a piece of equipment for my job that i do use it.

I use mine all the time, and if that doesnt work, im also a fully fledged student so i use.  Not shy of a discount if i can get it :grin:

I use the student one for cinema's, film hire, and train tickets to london.

the forces one gets used to get me cheap into concerts etc and most importantly 20% off at nando's.  never thought of trying it on the car discounts though

I agree with Robin a bit.  Having a good repore with the team at VWR will always ensure he has top notch customer service, but other guys dont have such a repore with them, but the good news is they are very keen to rectify any issues.  no one is perfect
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: SteveP on September 18, 2010, 01:08:56 pm

What does the Extra £120 get you? :confused:

Maybe some foreplay or at least a cuddle afterwards.  :evilgrin:

LOL @ Hedge  :laugh:

The £120 gets you a properly underwritten warranty to cover anything caused as result of the modifications and some VW style booklets to put in the car's manual pack.

So while like Stokeballoon I have a few problems along the way my dealing with VWR I certainly do not think they are rip off merchants but they do have some work to do on the customer service and quality control side, which they have, to me personally at least, have knowledged.

What I don't think is a valid excuse is the reasoning that there priority is racing and the VW cup, if this is the case then they shouldn't be publicly advertising or pushing their products and services.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2010, 01:11:03 pm
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What I don't think is a valid excuse is the reasoning that there priority is racing and the VW cup, if this is the case then they shouldn't be publicly advertising or pushing their products and services.

agreed
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RedRobin on September 18, 2010, 02:48:13 pm

What I don't think is a valid excuse is the reasoning that there priority is racing and the VW cup, if this is the case then they shouldn't be publicly advertising or pushing their products and services.


....I'm not saying it's a valid excuse but that it's the practical reality in their case. If people like me are happy with that, it's not a problem. If others have different expectations it shouldn't be a problem because they can always choose to go where they feel happiest.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 18, 2010, 04:59:58 pm
I use the student one for cinema's, film hire, and train tickets to london.

I've used the wife's student discount for Apple stuff because that is a HUUUUUGE saving :laugh:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2010, 05:07:40 pm
I use the student one for cinema's, film hire, and train tickets to london.

I've used the wife's student discount for Apple stuff because that is a HUUUUUGE saving :laugh:

ill keep that in mind then, im looking at IPADs at the momnent
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: vRS Carl on September 18, 2010, 05:13:19 pm
No discount on iPads im afraid. I couldn't even get Forces discount on the iPad :sad1:

Just MacBooks and iMac's mainly and some software. Biggest saving is Apple Care. Usually £279 for computers but £55 for Students

You can get Forces Discount aswell but it's 8% whereas student's is upto 20% depending on what it is :smiley:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: QD MBE on September 18, 2010, 05:46:07 pm

What I don't think is a valid excuse is the reasoning that there priority is racing and the VW cup, if this is the case then they shouldn't be publicly advertising or pushing their products and services.


....I'm not saying it's a valid excuse but that it's the practical reality in their case. If people like me are happy with that, it's not a problem. If others have different expectations it shouldn't be a problem because they can always choose to go where they feel happiest.

Robin,

Have you never had any problems with any of the Tuners that have worked on your car?  Genuine question.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2010, 06:23:02 pm
i think it was the fitment of BSH catch can he had issues with which we all heard about.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: SteveP on September 18, 2010, 07:01:07 pm
^^^ That was more about the BSH product than VWR.

I meet Phil from BSH last week and he still remembers RR feedback on the catch can's  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RedRobin on September 18, 2010, 09:00:53 pm
^^^^
I haven't been impressed by BSH's products so far, but that's just how it's been for me. And I haven't experienced all their products first-hand.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RedRobin on September 18, 2010, 09:12:32 pm

Robin,

Have you never had any problems with any of the Tuners that have worked on your car?  Genuine question.


....I'm assuming you're referring to more than just "Tuners". I interpret tuners as being remappers such as Revo, APR, Superchips, etc but I'm thinking you mean aftermarket automotive suppliers/fitters. In which case I have experienced problems with most of them at one time or another but any problems have been minor and importantly (as others have said) immediately and without issue put right... and some! Consequently it would have been unfair and misleading if I publicly complained about such problems which have, in every case, been due to human error.

Regarding the companies I regularly use: Nothing major to report from me so far which merits complaint publicly.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: stealthwolf on September 19, 2010, 10:13:48 am
...any problems have been...immediately ...put right... and some!
Meaning he gets bribed to keep schtum!  :grin:

Just kidding Red Leader  :P

I think some people have had problems with tuners and they've been posted on the boards here. No place is going to be perfect but it's all about customer service IMO. Making mistakes is human. But to explain the error to the customer and to go out of their way to recompense in some way IMO is what is more important. To make a mistake and then deny/lie about it IMO is the worst thing from any company.
Title: Re: VW racing re-maps
Post by: RagingKileak on September 19, 2010, 10:38:49 am
I think it's all about taking a balanced view and in the event that problems occur, how they are handled.

Seems to me (being new here but having been into tuning for ten years) that VWR are offering the same product as most other people (essentially a map, filter and CBE) for £120 more than one company someone just happened to know. That's not a scam, it's just an alternative product.

It's not like they are saying they offer more power than they do, or that the products are better when they are not.

This thread reads quite oddly to me as an outsider to the community... Obviously some have an axe to grind whilst others like VWR.

I'm wondering if the reason the thread started (note the title of VWR Remap and NOT VWR Stage 1) was because the OP thought (as I did prior to reading the whole Stage 1 blurb) that VWR were charging £1500 for a map in isolation.

If that was the case, clearly they should be dragged outside and burned! Balance? Much!!  :signLOL:

Matt