MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => R-Tech Zone => Topic started by: Lucastheone92 on April 25, 2017, 10:27:48 am
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Good Morning!
My DSG edition 30 is going stage 2+ on Friday and just wondering what sort of figures i'd be looking at.
Following mods are:
BCS powervalve turbo back
Revo induction kit
Loba HPFP
RS4 fuel return valve
S3 intercooler
Im guessing it'll be the S3 cooler that could hold the figures back?
Cheers,
Luke
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Up to 370 BHP, I guess. The IC seems to be the limiting factor of your setup, yes.
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Up to 370 BHP, I guess. The IC seems to be the limiting factor of your setup, yes.
Ok cheers.
Also getting DSG remap, will this make any difference?
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
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Up to 370 BHP, I guess. The IC seems to be the limiting factor of your setup, yes.
Ok cheers.
Also getting DSG remap, will this make any difference?
The DSG remap is mandatory for stage 2+ on an Ed. 30. It will allow your engine to make what it can really do, since the box torque limiters will be altered. :wink:
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
pretty much. A dyno is an idication of what pwoer the car makes on the day. when you drive ont he road it could be making a bit more power due to cooler airflow which you wouldnt get on a hot room in a dyno.
Just enjoy it anyway. You'll be grinning for ages!
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DSG map increases the torque limit, shifts higher and quicker. also stays in gear. can disable the kick down feature too
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Up to 370 BHP, I guess. The IC seems to be the limiting factor of your setup, yes.
Ok cheers.
Also getting DSG remap, will this make any difference?
The DSG remap is mandatory for stage 2+ on an Ed. 30. It will allow your engine to make what it can really do, since the box torque limiters will be altered. :wink:
What do you mean mate? When I first rang to book stage 2+ they didn't mention about me needed DSG map i just decided myself to get it a month later.
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the stock DSG map has a limit which will be exceeded by a stage 2 map.
Bascially if you dont get a DSG map it will limit power output
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Its not mandatory, just strongly advised to get the most out of the gearbox.
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Its not mandatory, just strongly advised to get the most out of the gearbox.
From what I read previously, and from my personal experience, the box needs to be remapped to allow the engine to make the requested torque figures from a stage 2/2+ remap. But that's just torque limiters. The box can also be remapped to make more clamping pressure, faster shifts, deactivate kick-down on Manual mode, deactivate auto up-shifts when the engine reaches the limiter, higher rpm limiter (from 6500 rpm to 7000 rpm, for example), etc. :smiley:
Maybe the other bits of the remap are only done if you pay extra. I like the extra bits. :grin:
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I think we could summarise it as - you'd be silly not to
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Haha ok so by having the DSG map will allow for more power?
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Er...yeah. Having the DSG map will alllow for more
useable power fun.
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
Yeah to be honest I'd rather have less power and more reliability but from what I've read 360hp is still pushing it on these engines!
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
Yeah to be honest I'd rather have less power and more reliability but from what I've read 360hp is still pushing it on these engines!
It is! We are lucky VW made them pretty strong. Even Stage 1 300hp is running it way past what VAG built it for, but we get away with it because OEM's testing = running it flat out at WOT for 24 hours. The total amount of time we spend at WOT on the roads is tiny by comparison, so we live on plenty of borrowed time :smiley:
350-360 is a very rapid road car indeed. Anymore than that is just playing the numbers game and pretty pointless on FWD anyway, imo. Might as well go big boy turbo and stick a snail onto an R32 and blow all the TFSI boys into the weeds :grin:
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
Yeah to be honest I'd rather have less power and more reliability but from what I've read 360hp is still pushing it on these engines!
It is! We are lucky VW made them pretty strong. Even Stage 1 300hp is running it way past what VAG built it for, but we get away with it because OEM's testing = running it flat out at WOT for 24 hours. The total amount of time we spend at WOT on the roads is tiny by comparison, so we live on plenty of borrowed time :smiley:
350-360 is a very rapid road car indeed. Anymore than that is just playing the numbers game and pretty pointless on FWD anyway, imo. Might as well go big boy turbo and stick a snail onto an R32 and blow all the TFSI boys into the weeds :grin:
Bloody hell @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733). about to send my turbo off for a hybrid and then you post this. lol dilemma haha
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
Yeah to be honest I'd rather have less power and more reliability but from what I've read 360hp is still pushing it on these engines!
It is! We are lucky VW made them pretty strong. Even Stage 1 300hp is running it way past what VAG built it for, but we get away with it because OEM's testing = running it flat out at WOT for 24 hours. The total amount of time we spend at WOT on the roads is tiny by comparison, so we live on plenty of borrowed time :smiley:
350-360 is a very rapid road car indeed. Anymore than that is just playing the numbers game and pretty pointless on FWD anyway, imo. Might as well go big boy turbo and stick a snail onto an R32 and blow all the TFSI boys into the weeds
Haha i never knew that but thats pretty cool and good to know!
Yeah that's true I can admit that even 360 hp in the golf is going to be pointless unless perfect conditions. I probably should have fitted ALK and VWR springs before the remap !
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Only in a cramped dyno cell will an intercooler show a weakness. On the open road with tons more airflow and plenty of heatsoak recovery time, it'll be fine.
The measured power is only for that particular set of conditions - I.e. a little room with only a fan for airflow. Out on the road, things are very different. More airflow and lower ambient temps.
Don't blindly follow the herd and bolt things on for the sake of it. Get confirmation the S3 cooler is restrictive from proper testing first. Stage 2+ turbo speeds kind of super heat the intercoolers anyway. You'd be better off running a bigger turbo to make the same power from more cfm and less pressure, and therefore less heat.
Good luck for Friday :happy2: I'd be happy with anything over 350hp on these old engines and turbos :smiley:
Thanks for the reply.
So what your saying is what power it makes on the dyno could be less than what it could put out on the open road?
Thanks i'm hoping this alongside the DSG remap should transform the car !
It's probably more accurate to say it has the 'potential' to make more power on the open road :wink:
You'll probably make 360hp in the dyno cell if all is well. Don't forget the guys who make 380 and more are usually running meth and much bigger welly coolers, and other mods...etc etc. Do you think you would feel 20 more hp on top of 360? You won't, so enjoy what you've got and your engine will last longer :smiley: Those who wring their engines out for the last hp tend to go home crying with broken ring lands :grin:
Yeah to be honest I'd rather have less power and more reliability but from what I've read 360hp is still pushing it on these engines!
It is! We are lucky VW made them pretty strong. Even Stage 1 300hp is running it way past what VAG built it for, but we get away with it because OEM's testing = running it flat out at WOT for 24 hours. The total amount of time we spend at WOT on the roads is tiny by comparison, so we live on plenty of borrowed time :smiley:
350-360 is a very rapid road car indeed. Anymore than that is just playing the numbers game and pretty pointless on FWD anyway, imo. Might as well go big boy turbo and stick a snail onto an R32 and blow all the TFSI boys into the weeds :grin:
Bloody hell @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733). about to send my turbo off for a hybrid and then you post this. lol dilemma haha
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No carry on mate, R32 turbos are ridiculously expensive to build. And you think tuned TFSIs drink petrol!?!! :grin: Turboed R32s probably drink more than a Bentley W12.
I need to get my hybrid on as well at some point, but I will practicing what I preach and not exceeding 360ish hp :grin:
@Lucastheone92 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16750) The standard suspension is actually really good on Stage 1 to be fair, so WALKs and springs aren't essential just yet.
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So today was the day and thought i'd post my results in case anyone was interested.
I managed to achieve 373bhp with 385.70LB
As you can imagine I'm more than happy with the results.
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Congrats! Should be really fun to drive. :drinking:
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So today was the day and thought i'd post my results in case anyone was interested.
I managed to achieve 373bhp with 385.70LB
As you can imagine I'm more than happy with the results.
Holy smoke that's a right weapon you've got there! Go find some 'hot' hatches to destroy..
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Cheers guys. Also sounds like Darth Vader under my bonnet.