MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: !tf on April 11, 2014, 07:44:59 pm
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Good evening all,
Just been recovered by the RAC after my golf died. Having a spirited drive on the way to my mates when all of a sudden I got the oil pressure warning message telling me to stop immediately. I stopped about a quarter of a mile on when it was safe. I turned down the music and noticed the engine rattling like a good one. Prior to the light coming on she was running like normal. Checked the oil level, that was fine. Checked again when the engine was cool, hadn't lost a drop. RAC guy came started it up to check the noise and gave me that look that you give someone who's about to lose a hell of a lot of money. Cars going in first thing in the morning. What could I be looking at fault wise and have I just ruined my engine?
Yours angrily
!tf
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evening bud!, that could mean a number of things, the oil light coming on is a indication the oil pressure has dropped , therefore not pumping oil around the engine, which then runs the internals of the engine dry where they then pick up on the bearings and start chewing/ruining the engine , next step i would do is drain the oil and take a look at it, see if theres like a metallic kind of a shimmer to it? this would give me an indication on how bad things have got. not really any good outcome to this imo i'm affraid.
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Yep sounds like its going to be costly.. What's the spec of the engine
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Its a 2.0TFSI in a 2005 gti. That's all I know lol.
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Fingers crossed its nothing serious mate :(
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Mate. Have a read of this. Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. Basically it was the oil pic up in the sump. It has a metal gauze that filters out the crap. It got sh*ttied up so I changed the pick up etc. It sorted the problem. Anyway read this link then come back to me if you need any other advice. It was going to be pinned but I just looked and could not find it
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,77576.msg813693.html#msg813693
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So engine still sounds bad?
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Was it not just incredibly noisy hydraulic lifters if the oil pressure was / is very low?
That classic tappet noise would hopefully not be too big a problem as the lifters would presumably work as normal with proper oil pressure.
Fingers crossed that it is just this and you stopped quickly enough to avoid significant engine wear or other damage.
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My money would probably be on this
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as above the oil pick up pipe will be blocked
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My money would probably be on this
This is my pick up pipe, its the 2nd time its been change, you can see some of the crap that was stuck in it!
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If you keep to good service intervals (at most every 10k) , and importantly, clean out the sump properly when refitting, it should be fine for years and years to go.
The minute you had any oil pressure related issues the recovery man SHOULD NOT have started the engine back up.
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If you keep to good service intervals (at most every 10k) , and importantly, clean out the sump properly when refitting, it should be fine for years and years to go.
The minute you had any oil pressure related issues the recovery man SHOULD NOT have started the engine back up.
well said, the more you run it the more damage it could be doing whilst starving the engine of oil, do they not have a fail safe like go into limp mode when low oil pressure is detected, to try and save the engine?
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The fail safe is the oil pressure light and the worst noise you can ever hear, the 3 beeps of imminent death.
You can't "limp mode" the engine if the bearings and journals aren't getting any lubrication things will start to wear.
If OP is concerned about the engine at all they need to remove the sump and pull the bearing caps and check. Relatively easy.
Not the first time I've heard of an AA or RAC man start a car that's buggered.
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If you keep to good service intervals (at most every 10k) , and importantly, clean out the sump properly when refitting, it should be fine for years and years to go.
Does the sump get cleaned during a service or must you specifically ask for this and pick up pipe to be cleaned?
Hopefully for the OP it turns out to be a simple fix
Thx :happy2:
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If you keep to good service intervals (at most every 10k) , and importantly, clean out the sump properly when refitting, it should be fine for years and years to go.
Does the sump get cleaned during a service or must you specifically ask for this and pick up pipe to be cleaned?
Hopefully for the OP it turns out to be a simple fix
Thx :happy2:
I seriously doubt that VW do this at routine service
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Think you have to Ask for it to be done. At added cost, think pick up pipe was £30ish
Tho i fitted it myself!
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No... you only clean the sump out if you were to drop the sump to replace the pick up pipe.
VW probably wouldn't do this. It's not a hard job so do it yoruself and save the cash.
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Not part of a service. Read the link bud. You have to jack the car and remove the sump to remove the pick up. It's not worth cleaning as it's one bolt to remove and cheap to buy a new one from VW. If your going to the trouble of removing the sump put a new part on. I did mine in a few hours.
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Worth doing just for peace of mind!
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Brilliant, certainly worth doing :happy2:
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Not part of a service. Read the link bud. You have to jack the car and remove the sump to remove the pick up. It's not worth cleaning as it's one bolt to remove and cheap to buy a new one from VW. If your going to the trouble of removing the sump put a new part on. I did mine in a few hours.
Sorry are you referring to me?
I said clean the sump NOT the pick up tube. :happy2:
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Thought you were asking about sump cleaning. The only way to clean a sump is to remove it from the bottom of the engine. Scrub it with a soft wire brush and brake cleaner to remove the years of carbon engrained in to the cast and also the his that will be sat in the bottom of the engine that will not come out during an oil change.
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What causes this to build up like this? For it to block the pick up pipe is a bit of a poor show. Maybe extended service intervals contribute??....thinking aloud now
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Had this problem on my Mk4 Anni. I changed the part in question and it didnt fix the problem. Turned out to be the oil pump. Hope the others are right. Cost me £500 to fix
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I should hopefully find out the full extent at some point today. I have forwarded the thread onto one of the mechanics where my car is. Thanks for your input guys, I will let you all know the outcome. Fingers crossed. :sad1:
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I should hopefully find out the full extent at some point today. I have forwarded the thread onto one of the mechanics where my car is. Thanks for your input guys, I will let you all know the outcome. Fingers crossed. :sad1:
Fingers crossed mate :happy2:
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Thought you were asking about sump cleaning. The only way to clean a sump is to remove it from the bottom of the engine. Scrub it with a soft wire brush and brake cleaner to remove the years of carbon engrained in to the cast and also the his that will be sat in the bottom of the engine that will not come out during an oil change.
Like so ;) when i did the pickup last year after a low oil pressure warning
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UPDATE!
As everybody suggested the pick up valve was rammed full of sh*t. They cleaned out the sump, replaced the pickup. Oil and filter change and she is like new again. The oil level sensor had to be replaced as well. So happy the engine survived, its been on my mind all day as i have only had the car three months.. Picking her up after work. Cant wait to get back in my golf. :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :drinking: :drinking:
Thanks for your help fellas.
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UPDATE!
As everybody suggested the pick up valve was rammed full of sh*t. They cleaned out the sump, replaced the pickup. Oil and filter change and she is like new again. The oil level sensor had to be replaced as well. So happy the engine survived, its been on my mind all day as i have only had the car three months.. Picking her up after work. Cant wait to get back in my golf. :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :drinking: :drinking:
Thanks for your help fellas.
Thats Awesome news chap! The oil pickup issue should be made a sticky to avoid future heart attacks lol
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Result
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:innocent: Brilliant news!
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Thats Awesome news chap! The oil pickup issue should be made a sticky to avoid future heart attacks lol
it sort of already is.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,52731.0.html
which links to....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,68442.0.html
glad it's sorted
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What sort of mileage are people doing this at ? I'm going to give mine a full service on Monday when on holiday but realistically vw probably will not have the pipe and sensor in stock so I might just leave it until my next oil change.
So what sort of milage are you guys on, when you are finding the blockages / needing cleaned ?
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I too would like to know what mileage we should look at doing this? Mines on 66k now!
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Mine clogged up and gave me the low oil pressure warning a few months ago. It was on 86k and an 05 reg. personally I would rather do it before I got the light as oil starvation is not good. I was lucky as I was only a mile from home. Maybe somewhere between 70-80k. Depending on oil changes etc it may be fine but it's not a massive job. Easy job just follow he guide on here. I bought genuine VW sealent in the end as I only wanted to do the job once.
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My car is on 94k and obviously had never been cleaned before.
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I had this happen to me last yeah, got a terrible knocking sound and when I stripped it down from the sump the pick up pipe was slightly blocked but I'd lost the thrust washer crank side into my oil pump and it locked into the balance shafts and snapped the chain.
The result was oil starvation and caused extensive damage, took the turbo too. It was either a rebuild or replacement.
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nice one
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I had this happen to me last yeah, got a terrible knocking sound and when I stripped it down from the sump the pick up pipe was slightly blocked but I'd lost the thrust washer crank side into my oil pump and it locked into the balance shafts and snapped the chain.
The result was oil starvation and caused extensive damage, took the turbo too. It was either a rebuild or replacement.
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jesus sounds like what happened to mine!
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I had this happen to me last yeah, got a terrible knocking sound and when I stripped it down from the sump the pick up pipe was slightly blocked but I'd lost the thrust washer crank side into my oil pump and it locked into the balance shafts and snapped the chain.
The result was oil starvation and caused extensive damage, took the turbo too. It was either a rebuild or replacement.
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Aww man :(
That sucks.
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I did a modification when rebuilding by using a thrust washer from the 1.8 20v t as they are bigger so I machined the block and cap to suit.
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I had this happen to me last yeah, got a terrible knocking sound and when I stripped it down from the sump the pick up pipe was slightly blocked but I'd lost the thrust washer crank side into my oil pump and it locked into the balance shafts and snapped the chain.
The result was oil starvation and caused extensive damage, took the turbo too. It was either a rebuild or replacement.
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How lucky was i?? Sorry to hear this mate.
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Anyone got the part number for this, having oil changed Monday
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Anyone got the part number for this, having oil changed Monday
For all 2.0 Ltr petrol engines
06F 115 251 A - suction Line - £26:60
N 028 222 2 - oring - £3:97
Full Retail Ex vat
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Just had this happen with mine on a family day out with the kids. Oil pressure warning came on so i stopped let it cool down and checked the oil everything was fine. Drove another 8 miles and still fine but returning home(16 miles) it came on again and kept going off/on. I'm just hoping I've not done some serious damage! :sick:
Made the stupid mistake of starting it again today to check if it's working and it started fine although it did sound a lot louder and could sort of hear something spinning like a small moter :s Turned it straight back off and spent the last few hours reading up online which has seriously scared the life out of me!
It's being recovered Monday By my usual local garage and the blokes saying to just leave it and hope for the best.
Only had the oil changed a couple weeks ago too so I'm hoping just the sump and pipe needs cleaning.
I know this thread a little old but hopefully someone can give me some good news :sad1:
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what mileage has your motor done?
hope you get the good news you're after :happy2:
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what mileage has your motor done?
hope you get the good news you're after :happy2:
Done 52k and just been serviced with oil change after 12k since last change. The thought of needing a new engine is just too much! Thanks mate :happy2: