MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: MrACD on May 26, 2015, 07:39:18 pm
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Picked up the GTi today (from a Hyundai main dealer) - Paid up and drove off, once warm was sitting at the lights and it sounded like a bloody diesel in the cabin lol... I thought hold on, what's going on here, that defo was not there on the test drive...
So having read about it, it's a common problem by the sounds of it (cam chain/tensioners etc)..
Few questions -
Could the cam follower cause such a noise? Also, when I had the test drive and put the deposit down I asked for the air con to be re-gassed, they have done that but doesn't feel very cold and the fans go like the clappers too..
I don't sound it but I am so angry and gutted, if it was the cam follower I'd do it myself, but I think it's more.
Shall I take it back to them, or you think they will ask me to go the warranty route? After just picking it up I think they should do it.
I don't understand it wasn't happening at all on the test drive.
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If I was you I would read this
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,97333.msg963139/boardseen.html#new
Also the link in Dazza post!
Then I'd be wanting my money back or the item repaired.
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These engines are not the quietest. If you really think something is not right go back ASAP just so they are aware of the problem.
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Have a listen to some of these audio files http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,87599.60.html
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These engines are not the quietest. If you really think something is not right go back ASAP just so they are aware of the problem.
Here is a quick video of it, it's not right, shouldn't sound like this.
http://vid1070.photobucket.com/albums/u483/alandavidson80/VIDEO0048.mp4
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Also, the air-con was re-gassed (so they said) and its blowing warm.. I'm gutted, really gutted.
Another thing is, on the test drive it had 1/4 of a tank and when I picked it up it was empty. The average mpg was 4.7.. Someones had a blast. :driver:
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Had to :signLOL:
I took the car up to my Grandad and said 'Come and listen to this' - Didn't tell him the issue, wanted to see what he thought.
He listened - 'Yeah that sounds ok to me Alan, all diesels sound like that' HAHA...
When I told him it was the Petrol, he agrees it's not right :rolleye:
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It could well be the cam chain and tensioner. What are you plans? Are you going to try and get your money back or just fix the problem?
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It could well be the cam chain and tensioner. What are you plans? Are you going to try and get your money back or just fix the problem?
Well they can fix it or I'll ask for my money back. It does have 6 months gold warranty so either way I should be ok, I hope.
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Your best bet would be to find someone nearby on the forum that has a GTI.
Audio files won't do justice. If I got in for example and listened I could tell if it didn't sound right! There's plenty of helpful people so I'd ask!
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Cam chain and tensioner...
My mate bought an '06 and it sounded just like this when warm, had the cam chain and tensioner replaced and noise is gone. These engines do make a tappety sound caused by the high-pressure injectors, but not like this!
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Thanks guys.
I phoned them and they were very good, said they'd sort all the issues. I mentioned the can chain and tensioner and they said they'll sort it.
As for the air con, I hope they can!
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Is the noise REALLY loud in the cabin? Heard a diesely noise from my ED30 recently but when listening to it with the bonnet up, I can't hear anything from the chain area, just the mechanical pump tapping away.
I think when the chain stretches so much, the ECU then struggles to 'see' the cam sensor, or it's static position moves out of range or something, and should fault code it?
As for the Air con, it's notoriously weak in MK5s and never really gets ice cold, but it should definitely be cold! Yours might need a leak test with fluorescent dye. The condenser is common as it's right at the front and gets clobbered with stones.
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Is the noise REALLY loud in the cabin? Heard a diesely noise from my ED30 recently but when listening to it with the bonnet up, I can't hear anything from the chain area, just the mechanical pump tapping away.
I think when the chain stretches so much, the ECU then struggles to 'see' the cam sensor, or it's static position moves out of range or something, and should fault code it?
As for the Air con, it's notoriously weak in MK5s and never really gets ice cold, but it should definitely be cold! Yours might need a leak test with fluorescent dye. The condenser is common as it's right at the front and gets clobbered with stones.
Yeah at a standstill, like the lights it's embarrassing, I think people think I have the GT TDi made to be a GTi replica lol.
This morning from cold it was virtually silent, nice and quiet in the cabin then as soon as operating temp - clack clack it's turned into a diesel :signLOL:
I didn't realise it never is ice cold but on the way to the dealers I left it on and it was kinda cold but still think there was more!
Hopefully it's all straight forward and they sort it out, I wrote them a little list of what I thought was wrong etc. Bet they love me :grin:
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I kind of have the same problem with my engine. I still don't know whether my cam chain and tensioner is ok or not tbh! I've just kind of ignored it for a while. It's not really loud in the cabin, you can definitely hear it chugging away but I'm.Not sure if it's the chain. When you lift the bonnet, there's a definitely a tick but it's high pitched, Im pretty sure that's the injectors.. but when you close the bonnet the pitch seems to get lower and it could be a diesely sound so i don't really know!
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I kind of have the same problem with my engine. I still don't know whether my cam chain and tensioner is ok or not tbh! I've just kind of ignored it for a while. It's not really loud in the cabin, you can definitely hear it chugging away but I'm.Not sure if it's the chain. When you lift the bonnet, there's a definitely a tick but it's high pitched, Im pretty sure that's the injectors.. but when you close the bonnet the pitch seems to get lower and it could be a diesely sound so i don't really know!
If it's not overly loud in the cabin then think you might be ok or it's showing signs of wear.
When I open the bonnet you can hear the the ticking from the injectors but in my cabin you can hear the low down 'diesel' clack but not the high pitched stuff.
When it is cold you can hardly hear the engine ticking over at all, which is how it should be when warm too :)
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I kind of have the same problem with my engine. I still don't know whether my cam chain and tensioner is ok or not tbh! I've just kind of ignored it for a while. It's not really loud in the cabin, you can definitely hear it chugging away but I'm.Not sure if it's the chain. When you lift the bonnet, there's a definitely a tick but it's high pitched, Im pretty sure that's the injectors.. but when you close the bonnet the pitch seems to get lower and it could be a diesely sound so i don't really know!
If it's not overly loud in the cabin then think you might be ok or it's showing signs of wear.
When I open the bonnet you can hear the the ticking from the injectors but in my cabin you can hear the low down 'diesel' clack but not the high pitched stuff.
When it is cold you can hardly hear the engine ticking over at all, which is how it should be when warm too :)
I think/hope mine is just the injectors.. I mean you can hear a chug when at standstill but its not realllly loud in the cabin. I open the bonnet and lean in close to the fuel pump area which is also the cam chain area and it seems to be just the injectors. There’s no low pitch clacking when I lean in there. Here’s a video…what do you think? I’ve warmed the engine right up by this point.
=132097897&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0]http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/triellymtb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/VIDEO0181_zpswwabdohn.mp4.html?filters[user]=132097897&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0 (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/triellymtb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/VIDEO0181_zpswwabdohn.mp4.html?filters[user)
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Have a listen of this before and after
before http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
after http://daz.co/audio/carnew1.mp3
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I can't really tell the difference apart from the whole audio is quieter? What do you make of my video?
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In the first one you cant really hear the injectors as its drowned out by the diesel sound.
I don't want to make a comment that could cost another member money.
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I can still hear the injectors quite well in the first.
I don't think mine sounds that unsimilar to your one after the fix to be honest.
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I had same issue with my 2.0 tfsi sounding like a diesel, at 85,000
Even took it to a VW garage and they said some are like this. I then ran it for a bit still not happy with it so replace cam chain and tensioner and then was as quiet as they should be
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I had same issue with my 2.0 tfsi sounding like a diesel, at 85,000
Even took it to a VW garage and they said some are like this. I then ran it for a bit still not happy with it so replace cam chain and tensioner and then was as quiet as they should be
Price?
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Quick update on this - I've been away the last 10 days and it is still in the garage. Not the happiest but to be fair to the dealers they are doing all the work so not too bad.
So far - They have diagnosed the high pressure valve switch on the air con and have replaced that (not sure on a re-gas but I will ask the question) so I imagine that is that done.
Also, they agree it is the chain/tensioners to blame for the 'diesel' rattle so have all the covers off to test it and replace the necessary.
So hopefully, not too long before I can have it back and enjoy it!
The cam follower, Diverter and PCV I will test myself when I get it back and replace as necessary :)
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Good news about the air con.
Hopefully they replace the chain/tensioner for you. Let us know whether they do the adjustor as well!
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Good news about the air con.
Hopefully they replace the chain/tensioner for you. Let us know whether they do the adjustor as well!
Will do, isn't that a really expensive item the adjuster?
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Yup!
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Further update -
They have called and said that it is the chain and the tensioner that is at fault and they are just getting authorisation to change it all.
Whether that includes the adjuster he is not sure but as long as the issue is done it's not a great concern.
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Be interested to know how much just chain and tensioner would be inclouding labour if anyone has any idea
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So once again, something has turned up - for the worse. I am kinda getting to the point where I might force their hand for my money back.
Got a call off the AA, thought that's strange... It's the AA Warranty Car Dept.
They wanted to know when it went wrong and what the symptoms are... EH? - The dealership are doing the job through the AA Warranty they gave me.
So now I explained, she typed it all down and said she has all the costings etc for the parts and labour and she will speak to the dealers now.
I left it an hour and called them, they said 'Yes we are dealing with the AA but now they want us to send them photo's of the chain and the tensioner'
So I said to him, hold on this is going to hold up the process even more... Bearing in mind I bought the car outright 3 weeks ago and have had one trip home and back to them in it.
I can see it now, the warranty will say it's wear and tear and refuse and the dealers will ask me for a contribution... I hope they don't because I'll be straight up there with my back up.
Sick to death of it now, all I want is a car that works how it should so I can enjoy it. :sad1:
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Light at the end of the tunnel.
Parts ordered and will be ready for tomorrow. FINALLY.
Chain, Tensioner/s and adjuster being changed so should be ok.
Can't wait for the weekend now :signLOL:
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when done
put sound clip or vid of old and new to hear how quite it is now
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when done
put sound clip or vid of old and new to hear how quite it is now
Will do, no probs.
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So, had a call from the dealers. Car's done, dusted, ready for collection... Good and bad news (sort of).
They say noise has gone, nice and quiet... But the air-con is still not as it should be. They replaced the high pressure valve, still the same.
SO... they reckon it's the compressor, they have ordered a new one and will fit it next week.
So I can collect now and start enjoying it.
All in all, I am happy enough as now it will have had a new chain, tensioner and adjuster and also new A/C compressor etc, glad I didn't have to foot the bill.
Now to pick it up..... and start the usual updating/modding.... :signLOL:
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So all is done and I am happy with the car, pulls very well indeed. Still going to check the DV though :)
Anyway,
Noise before -
http://vid1070.photobucket.com/albums/u483/alandavidson80/VIDEO0048.mp4
Noise after -
http://vid1070.photobucket.com/albums/u483/alandavidson80/Mobile%20Uploads/VIDEO0049.mp4
Not sure it shows on here but the difference is absolute night and day, quiet as a pin in the cabin now.
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Good to hear, now make sure you enjoy it :)
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I've just recently brought a 07 gti and mine is the same quiet when cold apart from the ticking, then when warm diesel like sound!!
Like yourself can hear it in the cabin when car is up to temp.
It's going into a Vw independent on Monday I reckon like you it's the chain as the cam follower and shaft where done about 20k ago.
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I've just recently brought a 07 gti and mine is the same quiet when cold apart from the ticking, then when warm diesel like sound!!
Like yourself can hear it in the cabin when car is up to temp.
It's going into a Vw independent on Monday I reckon like you it's the chain as the cam follower and shaft where done about 20k ago.
Yeah it's a bit of a bummer really, hopefully won't be too much money! - Usually the chain and tensioner do it and are cheap enough, if the adjuster needs changing then that's the big money part. Thankfully all mine was done under warranty. :happy2:
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Had the compressor changed today (AC) - and it's nice and ice cold now :) - so apart from creaking steering its all good :) :laugh:
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Any idea what the costs might be on something like this? I'll be changing my follower soon but I'm just thinking if the chain and tensioner need doing might aswell do it in one go
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Any idea what the costs might be on something like this? I'll be changing my follower soon but I'm just thinking if the chain and tensioner need doing might aswell do it in one go
To be honest if it's not causing an issue might be ok to leave it until it does.. If it is making a noise then the price can be changed big time if the adjuster needs changing (think this is a £250+ part).. The kit with the tensioner and chain is around £150 odd+ then you have the labour of 3 to 4 hours. Could end up being expensive :fighting:
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Had the compressor changed today (AC) - and it's nice and ice cold now :) - so apart from creaking steering its all good :) :laugh:
No more creaking steering so it's all good now :happy2: :pomppomp:
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Had the compressor changed today (AC) - and it's nice and ice cold now :) - so apart from creaking steering its all good :) :laugh:
No more creaking steering so it's all good now :happy2: :pomppomp:
What does the AC compressor have to do with the steering creaking? I've read this a few times on here, can anyone explain how they're related?
Ta :drinking:
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Had the compressor changed today (AC) - and it's nice and ice cold now :) - so apart from creaking steering its all good :) :laugh:
No more creaking steering so it's all good now :happy2: :pomppomp:
What does the AC compressor have to do with the steering creaking? I've read this a few times on here, can anyone explain how they're related?
Ta :drinking:
They're not lol, basically when I started this thread it was due to the knocking noise (cam chain) and then I added a few more issues like aircon not working and the steering creaking. All of which now are sorted :happy2:
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If you can, find out the total price of all parts for the camshaft adjuster and what parts they changed (e.g. new camshaft chain needed?)
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If you can, find out the total price of all parts for the camshaft adjuster and what parts they changed (e.g. new camshaft chain needed?)
Was all done under warranty, so I got no documentation to show.. I will email them and see if there is anything I can obtain.
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Any idea what the costs might be on something like this? I'll be changing my follower soon but I'm just thinking if the chain and tensioner need doing might aswell do it in one go
To be honest if it's not causing an issue might be ok to leave it until it does.. If it is making a noise then the price can be changed big time if the adjuster needs changing (think this is a £250+ part).. The kit with the tensioner and chain is around £150 odd+ then you have the labour of 3 to 4 hours. Could end up being expensive :fighting:
I can start to hear it more in the cabin now (I dunno if it's because my ears are more tuned to it as I've been reading these threads or if it's actually happening!) I'll start with the follower and see how I get on...
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I really didnt want to re-visit this invoice but here it is anyway. The morale of the story is dont drive it hard when its cold.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fag359%2Fhayster73%2FIMG_1506_zpspgcghxcc.jpg&hash=288e76af1a8f4e886b9e3ff5b4628bded18da5b3)
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I really didnt want to re-visit this invoice but here it is anyway. The morale of the story is dont drive it hard when its cold.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fag359%2Fhayster73%2FIMG_1506_zpspgcghxcc.jpg&hash=288e76af1a8f4e886b9e3ff5b4628bded18da5b3)
That invoice needs burning! :signLOL: - Ouch...
The Cam Adjuster is a horrible price.
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Dam !!! just had my noise diagnosed as cam chain too looks like it's gonna be expensive!
Not to best pleased only had the car 3 weeks not be able to enjoy yet.
Like the op said when i test drove it was quiet it was only on the 200 mile journey home i thought sh*t that dont sound right!
Cant wait to have it done so i can start to enjoy the car just worry about the dsg then lol
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Dam !!! just had my noise diagnosed as cam chain too looks like it's gonna be expensive!
Not to best pleased only had the car 3 weeks not be able to enjoy yet.
Like the op said when i test drove it was quiet it was only on the 200 mile journey home i thought sh*t that dont sound right!
Cant wait to have it done so i can start to enjoy the car just worry about the dsg then lol
Sorry to hear it! - It's a mine field to begin with, but got mine 95% all singing and dancing and enjoying it...
Did you buy private or from a trader (with warranty)??
Don't even go there with the DSG :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Private!
I'm learning more things all the time about the mk5 gti didn't know they had so many common problems, trouble is they drive so bloody well.
Going to get the cam follower checked to at the time though it was changed 20k ago so hopefully might be ok.
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Private!
I'm learning more things all the time about the mk5 gti didn't know they had so many common problems, trouble is they drive so bloody well.
Going to get the cam follower checked to at the time though it was changed 20k ago so hopefully might be ok.
I'm in exactly the same position. Please let me know the outcome/bill! do you know if youre going to go with just the chain and tensioner, or are you going to get the expensive adjustor replaced as well? I'm tempted to just go chain and tensioner.
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Yeah no problem will do, my VAG independent is booked up for a while hopefully get it in within next couple of weeks.
I won't be using the car though don't want to risk it anymore then I have to.(luckily still have my old car at the mo)
Gonna do the lot with the adjuster don't won't to have to re do it, it's a lot of money the Mrs ain't happy!
I'm hoping it's gonna be worth it.
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Mine sounds like a diesel on idle. But then again so did my mk4 gti
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Yeah no problem will do, my VAG independent is booked up for a while hopefully get it in within next couple of weeks.
I won't be using the car though don't want to risk it anymore then I have to.(luckily still have my old car at the mo)
Gonna do the lot with the adjuster don't won't to have to re do it, it's a lot of money the Mrs ain't happy!
I'm hoping it's gonna be worth it.
It does make sense to do the lot, I just think I wont be able to afford it! without the adjustor I still think it will be around 5-600.
Out of interest, did the guys who diagnosed it know straight away? I've heard a lot of VW technicians etc not really knowing about cam chain replacement etc.
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I read a post once that a fella had his cam chain replaced and even still it sounded like a diesel. Saying that the TFSI are noisy engines on tick over.
I went to have a look at at TFSI MK5 once and when on idle if I rev'd the engine, the tappety noise got louder. I left it and walked away instantly.
I've known alot of the Mk5 TFSI engines to sound like diesels on idle, But soon as I rev the engines. the noise should go away. if it doesn't then you have a problem.
If you sit in the cabin and it sounds like a diesel, Rev the engine very slightly. if the diesel noise goes away then your fine.
Hope this clears stuff and puts your mind to ease.
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I read a post once that a fella had his cam chain replaced and even still it sounded like a diesel. Saying that the TFSI are noisy engines on tick over.
I went to have a look at at TFSI MK5 once and when on idle if I rev'd the engine, the tappety noise got louder. I left it and walked away instantly.
I've known alot of the Mk5 TFSI engines to sound like diesels on idle, But soon as I rev the engines. the noise should go away. if it doesn't then you have a problem.
Hope this clears stuff and puts your mind to ease.
That's interesting. The noise on mine does disappear when you rev the engine. However, I think there have been others who have had the diesel noise at idle, which DOES disappear when revved, but they have then replaced the chain,tensioner,adjustor and the noise disappears... @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457) ?
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These engines are noisy but the cam chain noise is different. If people listened to mine they would probably say it sounds like a diesel.
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Just got car back from service ... Seems even noisy now with fresh oil!!
Yep said straight away it was cam chain I'm paranoid as hell at the moment it might jump/snap etc
Drove home like miss daisy ... Parking it up for couple of weeks till it goes in to have the cam done.
You can hear mine from in the cabin on idle sounds just like a Diesel!!
I know these engines are not the quietest but I'm expected it to be a fair bit quieter when done.
To be honest I can't afford to replace adjustor as well but gonna put on credit card just one of those things I want to make sure it's 100%.
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Does yours sound like a diesel when your driving at any speed? Mine just seems to sound like a diesel when its idle and once the engine is 70 degrees
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Yeah only at idle don't hear it any other time.
After speaking to the garage they noted the cam follower and camshaft have been replaced at 72k by VW main dealer.
2 years warranty on parts and service .... Gonna have to check the date might be worth a go....?!!
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Yeah only at idle don't hear it any other time.
After speaking to the garage they noted the cam follower and camshaft have been replaced at 72k by VW main dealer.
2 years warranty on parts and service .... Gonna have to check the date might be worth a go....?!!
Surely they would have changed the chain and tensioner at the same time.
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Well yeah I was thinking that too??
Gonna dig the invoice out in a mo and have a look!
If it was done it's only lasted 22k ??
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Doubt it was done unless like others have said noise did not go away until adjustor was changed.
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Well looks like it wasn't done.. Not only that it was done in January 2013 so over 2 years... Oh well worth a look!
Parts listed are
Cam follower
Gasket x 2
Camshaft
Valve
Repair kit - 06F198119A not sure what this is? Maybe cambelt kit.
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How does this sound to everyone? The engine was warm when this was filmed and the car is due a service in case that makes a difference.
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Don't seem to noisy , though mine seems louder when in the car ..
Just been looking on ECS Tuning site they do a complete cam chain kit with cam follower etc for £130 that includes the adjustor .??
Anyone used this .. It's a massive saving from oem.
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The Ecs kit is over $250 when you include shipping which will be about £170 and it uses mostly non-genuine parts and doesn't include the adjuster.
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No way thats with the adjustor.
This is from another member very good before and after comparison.
All done @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
Before
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/4F968BD7-0D37-4CE0-A062-E5950DA53F4F_zpsi1grfduu.mp4.html
After
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/E94F1255-FCC7-4229-A293-739676473DF2_zpsm7ddktfg.mp4.html
Does yours sound similar to this??
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Yeah looking at it again adjustor is not included.. Opps!
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No way thats with the adjustor.
This is from another member very good before and after comparison.
All done @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
Before
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/4F968BD7-0D37-4CE0-A062-E5950DA53F4F_zpsi1grfduu.mp4.html
After
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/E94F1255-FCC7-4229-A293-739676473DF2_zpsm7ddktfg.mp4.html
Does yours sound similar to this??
That is exactly how mine sounds .. Bloody embarrassing :ashamed:
Really can't wait to get it sorted!
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So all is done and I am happy with the car, pulls very well indeed.
Cool! When you say pulls very well indeed, was the car noticeably flat (off boost) when it made the diesel noise?
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So all is done and I am happy with the car, pulls very well indeed.
Cool! When you say pulls very well indeed, was the car noticeably flat (off boost) when it made the diesel noise?
It wasn't flat, it still pulled, may have been me lol, just thinking it.
When I got it back and was quiet it just seemed to pull alot better, even the missus dad thought so too. So maybe....
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So all is done and I am happy with the car, pulls very well indeed.
Cool! When you say pulls very well indeed, was the car noticeably flat (off boost) when it made the diesel noise?
It wasn't flat, it still pulled, may have been me lol, just thinking it.
When I got it back and was quiet it just seemed to pull alot better, even the missus dad thought so too. So maybe....
Makes sense as a sloppy chain can't be good for the variable cam adjustment!
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Mine is going in this Friday will be glad when it's done one less thing to worry about.
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All done :smiley:
Lovely and quiet now just how it should be !
Cost was £415 didn't need a new adjuster it's quiet so I'm happy and saved money .
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All done :smiley:
Lovely and quiet now just how it should be !
Cost was £415 didn't need a new adjuster it's quiet so I'm happy and saved money .
:happy2:
Good result, where did you take it?
So is that chain and tensioner and labour?
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Yeah that was all in so well happy with the price!
Took it to Volkscraft a independent VAG specialist (Exeter Devon) , used them before when I had a vrs.
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What do you guys make of this? Could it be the cam chain?
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my horror story of engine noise ( warning this may upset young children)
I too was having cam chain rattle on start up sounded like a derv GTI , once warm it got quieter but I still had a noise similar to the tappets rattling
so last week after what seemed like a lifetime wait it went to my mate for a cam chain , variable timing unit and other bits needed to cure this its a revised part so you have to change the whole lot this came in at £670 part alone ,
this was changed cured the start up rattle but the hot running tappet noise was still there my mechanic traced the noise to the bottom left hand rear of the engine he'd already dropped the sump when doing the valve gear
when he looked for the noise he found this in the balance shaft unit
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2F854C07A9-510F-432F-BE8D-0190898990A0_zpsuoiyzzmm.jpg&hash=b362b2f8d5e321883a6ebc6c596497fb8f0c144e)
this is the balance shaft unit it also houses the oil pump , its driven by a chain from the front of the crank shaft
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2FC5643FE3-40CF-4FEC-8339-CF441297C30F_zpsxbgh5aol.jpg&hash=7d87a7da5dc84268cb2d02ca1a87150dd58a04cf)
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the sprocket drive is a damped type and was moving side to side and when removed look like this
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2F27D842CF-20FE-4CDC-95B9-4FAB636E56E8_zps4ywpxqz7.jpg&hash=128717ceaccdd58a6250f0338c5c92d6c741b657)
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the balancer shaft unit has no serviceable parts apart from the oil pump and is sold as a complete unit cost £1200 lucky my mate had a second hand unit that was good and is now on the car running quieter than its ever done
my car is a 55 plate 75k engine with a full service history , I drive it as it should be driven not hammered but not carried around
there are loads of posts on here about engine noise on here hopefully all these are not this , my mechanic is a VAG tech currently working in a local main dealers and he or them have never seen this before but he also added that they don't see many Mk5's in the dealers workshop either
anyone else had this problem with the sprocket drive
Rob
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my horror story of engine noise ( warning this may upset young children)
I too was having cam chain rattle on start up sounded like a derv GTI , once warm it got quieter but I still had a noise similar to the tappets rattling
so last week after what seemed like a lifetime wait it went to my mate for a cam chain , variable timing unit and other bits needed to cure this its a revised part so you have to change the whole lot this came in at £670 part alone ,
this was changed cured the start up rattle but the hot running tappet noise was still there my mechanic traced the noise to the bottom left hand rear of the engine he'd already dropped the sump when doing the valve gear
when he looked for the noise he found this in the balance shaft unit
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2F854C07A9-510F-432F-BE8D-0190898990A0_zpsuoiyzzmm.jpg&hash=b362b2f8d5e321883a6ebc6c596497fb8f0c144e)
this is the balance shaft unit it also houses the oil pump , its driven by a chain from the front of the crank shaft
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2FC5643FE3-40CF-4FEC-8339-CF441297C30F_zpsxbgh5aol.jpg&hash=7d87a7da5dc84268cb2d02ca1a87150dd58a04cf)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2F232890FD-4695-4F10-BB23-5EFEBD9970C1_zpsvldsi8xn.jpg&hash=914f826bab6ccdbce9422bf1746b1fe2aa35d0d9)
the sprocket drive is a damped type and was moving side to side and when removed look like this
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2F27D842CF-20FE-4CDC-95B9-4FAB636E56E8_zps4ywpxqz7.jpg&hash=128717ceaccdd58a6250f0338c5c92d6c741b657)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv462%2Fcarpy25%2FFC297467-7055-4058-849B-72458A4C3920_zps1wsxr3bj.jpg&hash=f494529ce632f6353d98aee2c8d78743266809c3)
the balancer shaft unit has no serviceable parts apart from the oil pump and is sold as a complete unit cost £1200 lucky my mate had a second hand unit that was good and is now on the car running quieter than its ever done
my car is a 55 plate 75k engine with a full service history , I drive it as it should be driven not hammered but not carried around
there are loads of posts on here about engine noise on here hopefully all these are not this , my mechanic is a VAG tech currently working in a local main dealers and he or them have never seen this before but he also added that they don't see many Mk5's in the dealers workshop either
anyone else had this problem with the sprocket drive
Rob
This is interesting. Did he find this in the sump or after removing the balance shaft unit?
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After removing the balance unit it was where the balance lobes are the area in front of the gears in my pic , the sprocket drive is at the top of my pic so traveled a fair way
Rob
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After removing the balance unit it was where the balance lobes are the area in front of the gears in my pic , the sprocket drive is at the top of my pic so traveled a fair way
Rob
Could a piece of metal from here work its way down into the sump? I've changed my cam chain tension etc. But still think its too noisy (probably being paranoid).
This is what i found stuck in the pickup pipe.
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Mine sounded look classic tap pets noise but from the bottom of the engine , if you drop the sump you should be able to check for side to side play in the sprocket its where the springs came from in my pic the metal bit are off the casting
Rob
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Mine sounded look classic tap pets noise but from the bottom of the engine , if you drop the sump you should be able to check for side to side play in the sprocket its where the springs came from in my pic the metal bit are off the casting
Rob
Thanks mate next time i have her on axle stands i will have a listen.
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Mine sounded look classic tap pets noise but from the bottom of the engine , if you drop the sump you should be able to check for side to side play in the sprocket its where the springs came from in my pic the metal bit are off the casting
Rob
Thanks mate next time i have her on axle stands i will have a listen.
May have read this wrong but you can probably listen to it not on axle stands to see if it's coming from the bottom, but if you do get it on stands then you'll be able to check for physical play in the sprocket as well
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I think you will need to drop the sump to see the sprocket,I know the timing belt has to come of to remove the chain drive so I guess its behind the belt cover it least
Rob