MK5 Golf GTI

General => Detailing => Topic started by: 08micsta on May 19, 2009, 07:49:18 pm

Title: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: 08micsta on May 19, 2009, 07:49:18 pm
THANK YOU JULES86 FOR THE HUGE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS GUIDE AND I HOPE IT WILL BENEFIT THE MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM.

Feel free to push the "For this member I give you 1 Thank you"  button for Jules.

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Hello guys

Some background info on myself. My name is Jules86 and I am an enthusiastic detailer. In my experience of detailing vehicles I have worked on numerous vehicles for good money and I would like to share my enthusiasm and knowledge with the rest of the community.

Lets start with the basics:

There are many different products and methods that people use to clean their car so it can become confusing coming from only knowing the bucket and sponge method.

The best piece of advise i can give is to get rid of the sponge as it is the cause of 99% of the swirls on your paint.

Lambs Wool Wash Mit

This fits over your hand and is much easier to use and safer on your paint. There are sponges you can use but they are expensive as they have been treated (usually sea sponges but dont worry about these and get a mitt)

Wash Method
The best used, safest method is The two bucket method This is where you fill one bucket with a wash solution and one with plain water. You use the wash solution to clean the car and then rinse your mitt into the plain water bucket to remove the dirt and gritt so it doesnt get into the wash bucket meaning when you get to the bottom you dont pick it all back up and scratch the paint. (i would advise purchasing a gritt guard which sits at the bottom of the rinse bucket preventing you from putting more gritt/dirt on than you rinse off. This is not essential though and not needed if you are careful) Always make sure you do the wheels first as you may find you have sprayed dirt over your clean car if you do them last. I would say you dont need the 2 bucket method but it keeps the wash bucket clean. I use a wash mitt for the wheels and saves alot of time using your fingers in the mitt rather than trying to manage a brush in the spokes! To dry i would say ditch the chamois as it too can cause swirls, a drying towel with waffle pattern is much safer.

Drying
When it comes to drying you want your car to be fully clean to prevent any dirt or gritt getting stuck in the towel and causing scratches!

Here is a vid of me drying



If its clean enough you can use a hose to 'sheet' the water off (works best with wax/sealant on



If you use a detailing spray (i have used around 7 now and all of them are fantastic, buy one you like the smell of lol) and spray it on the water it will hugely aid in the drying process allowing the towel to soak up much more water and leave a complete streak free finish  :D


Pressure Washing
There is no harm in using a pressure washer as long as you use it correctly. Any close contact with a pressure washer will not be good for the car and can on some older less cared for models strip paint. To prevent this i advise using the pressure washer along with a foam gun for the body work. This will provide lube for the panels and allow the foam to break up the dirt. I follow this up with an open ended hose to sheet it off after about 3-5 mins. You can then use your wash method to fully clean the car.
I use the pressure washer on areas of the wheels and arches but you need to be careful, forcing water somewhere it shouldn't go is not going to be good for the car. The underside is fairly fine for a good jet blast, be careful around the exhaust, you dont want to be forcing water up there.
Here is my car which has just been foamed using a karcher pressure washer and foam gun along with super snow foam:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0366.jpg&hash=6060f65ebee4a1e7040ad7ed5431a7f8bcc484e9)

Snow Foam
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=valet+pro+snow (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=valet+pro+snow)

Foam Gun
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=snow+foam+lance (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=snow+foam+lance)

(if you dont have a karcher this will attach to a hose)
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/washing-and-drying/gilmour-foamaster-ii/prod_329.html (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/washing-and-drying/gilmour-foamaster-ii/prod_329.html)

Clay Bar
A clay bar is what it sounds like, a bar of clay. It is used to remove contaminants in the paint that washing alone cannot. It works by applying a lubricant (detailer spray) and then rubbing the clay softly over the paint. When using it you can feel that there is slight resistance and you can hear that it is rough on the paint, you continue to rub with slight pressure untill there is no resistance and no sound (will make sense when being used) This makes the paint feel as smooth as glass but will not remove defects such as scratches. This leaves the paint perfect to have polish applied and will give it the best base for brilliant reflections. (there are different types of clay bars but for a beginner i cannot recommend the meguairs kit highly enough)

You only need to clay bar twice a year at the most!
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=clay (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=clay)

Polish
There are many different types of polish, some with wax contents and some without (basically; there are also polishes with different cutting abilities but this isnt important unless you machine polish) Many people get confused between the difference of polish, wax and glaze, the easiest way to explain is polish will restore the paint, glaze will bring the paint back alive again and wax will protect it keeping the shine locked in and enhance the gloss. The best product for someone with little time would be a product like autoglym super resin polish as it is will restore the paint well. When using a polish you are best going for something thats easy to use, as most cutting polishes (a polish that removes defects such as swirls and minor scratches) are best left to be used with a pc (porter cable random orbital polisher). These will actually dull the paint and will need a glaze to enhance the shine again.
Polishing only needs to be done every so often. I tend to polish every few months (non abrasive polish)
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=29_30 (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=29_30)

Glaze
Glaze is used to add shine to the paint and wont apply any 'cut' (will not remove swirls etc) Lots of different glazes out there, and, like wax, will be different depending on the paint, age etc of the car.
I love clearkote red moose glaze as it adds huge flake pop (the sparkle in paint) but the oils used it prevent sealants from working too well so best used for summer.
PM me if your unsure what to go for

Sealant
A sealant is a product used to literally seal in the polish to keep the shine lasting as long as it can while protecting the paint. Most sealant have very little to no gloss enhancing properties, however, a product that has recently come out has very good sealant properties and also very good gloss enhancing properties which is called jetseal109 by chemical guys. http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealants/chemical-guys-jet-seal-109/prod_484.html (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealants/chemical-guys-jet-seal-109/prod_484.html)
Because it is so good at sealing the polish in and enhancing gloss it is very hard to currently get hold of! I can highly recommend this product for use on both the car and preventing the build up of brake dust on alloys. There are other sealants as mentioned that can be bought cheaper, autoglym extra gloss protection gives good results and has some gloss enhancing properties to it.  There is another kind of sealant which is wheel sealant which is the same as i have described only just for use on wheels, poorboys wheel sealant and jetseal109 are my favorites. I advise two coats of whatever sealant you use, 1st coat leave for 15 mins then buff off and apply second coat after half an hour to an hour and leave as long as possible (over night would be best but not everyone can tuck their car safely in a garage, i know!)

Wax
Wax is the final stage in your cleaning process and only needs one coat put on the paint at a time. The wax is what gives you that lovely deep wet look shine you want. Wax comes in different colours, smells, packages and prices. You can get good wax for £8 and very very good wax for £10000. The price tends to give an idea of its carnuba content i.e. the more the better (although not completely true). Carnuba is what gives the paint the deep wet shine that you want. You dont have to spend a fortune to get good wax though but you need to think if you are after a very good finish that will not last that long or an ok/good finish that will last ages. You can apply wax every week if you like but most waxes will stop having an affect after about the 3rd coat as it no longer is possible to get anymore out of it so would be wasting to be honest. The best way to determine if new wax needs putting on is if when you put water on you get very few random beads (beads of water sat on the paint) This is because the water is no longer sitting on the wax as there is very little of it (basicaly, is more technical but thats generally it)
So apply another layer. If the paint seems blurred then i would advise washing the car with fairy liquid (removes all wax, polish and sealant) and then build the layers back up but i would imagine this only needs doing every few months (about 3-6 but depends on products used)
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=21 (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=21)

Interior
This is straight forward really. I use a trim restorer to make the plastic look new and regularly hoover. Leather condition the seats (by hand for the best results, microfibres will scratch the protective layer off). I do this once every two weeks. This will prevent the leather from cracking.
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=48 (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/index.php?cPath=48)

Glass
I use megs next generation glass cleaner as i have had the same bottle for a year and find it brilliant over everything i have ever tried (even smells amazing!) I use this with a glass towel (very fine microfibre towel) My friends comment on how clear the glass is quite often!
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=glass (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=glass)

Tailpipe
These can be nasty if left for a while but meguairs metal cleaner or autosol will bring them up brilliant with some #00 Wire Wool, a cloth and alot of elbow grease.
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=metal (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=metal)

Dont leave this bit out though as it can ruin a long clean having dirty tailpipes, you will be amazed at how many people notice!
Best steps would be
- Spray degreaser on pipes and leave for 20/30 mins
- Scrub down pipes with wire wool or a stiff brush (inside only to prevent scratching)
- Apply metal polish with wire wool
- Apply metal polish with cloth
- Buff clean
- repeat if necessary

Wheels/Tyres
Wheels should be cleaned as often as you can purely to stop you having to take them off every month to get a decent clean done. I have jetseal on mine and find i can spend 2 mins every night on each wheel and they are spotless! There are many wheel cleaners but alot are acidic and can ruin the alloy over time so try and stick to a wash solution regularly for awsome wheels! Tyres i use megs tyre dressing  and love it, gives a great matt look if you spray it on the tyre then rub it in; they look brand new! Many available though!
You can apply polish and wax to wheels, also clay bar the insides if required. Always use sealant to prevent brake dust and protect the wheels
http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wheel (http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wheel)

Engine Bay cleaning
This is something quite a few people have started doing recently. I personally do it very little although once a month is usually enough. If you are starting for the first time i.e. your engine is filthy, you are going to need to allow yourself some time as you dont want to rush this.
Cover all electrics (anything water should not be getting in) with foil or something similarly strong and protective. Use a paint brush and some degreaser to agitate most of the dirt off all over the engine. Then use a dedicated engine cleaner or even just some shampoo mix in water to clean around. It is possible to use a pressure washer on the engine, but i think all it does is speed it up with added risk of forcing water where it shouldnt go, so i wouldnt advise it; you will not get better results! After it is nice and clean run the engine for a few mins to dry it off and then apply dressing to areas that need it and metal polish to the metal. (sounds easy but give yourself a few hours, trust me!)

Machine polishing

Right this is going to be a basic description of the porta cable (pc) there are now better products like the Megs polisher available but the process, and therefore this explanation are the same. Basically the pc is a random orbit polisher, this means that instead of spinning and heating up it rotates back and forth which makes it safe as it is hard to do damage with it. The pc is used mainly for paint correction but can also be used to apply polishes, sealants and waxes and also buff them off. The pc is only usefull if the correct pads and polishes are used with the car you are using it on. To make this more straight forward i will show a few examples after going over the pads that are available.

Cutting/Restore Pad - The cutting pad is a rough pad and is used with high to medium cutting polishes. It has a very strong cut meaning that it will remove deeper defects such as scratches and severe swirling. It will generaly marr the paintwork meaning that it will looked blurred so it is advised a lighter polish with a lighter pad is used to restore shine after.

Light cutting/Enhancing Pad - This is used for light paintwork defects such as minimal swirls and light scratches. It can be used with a high to medium cutting polish for defect removal on soft paint

Buffing/Final fiishing pad - This is what you use with a low to a non cutting polish to restore the shine back to the paint as the higher cutting polishes may have marred the paint. You can also apply a 'buffiing bonnet' over this to buff polish off.

You can mix and match pads untill you get your perfect match with the way you use the pc.

Now there are many different polishes available with varying cutting abilities, the best ones (i have found) are the menzerna range!

How to use the Machine Polisher -
This is hard to describe, a simple search on youtube will find you good videos which will show you more than i can say but ill have a go.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=porta+cable&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=porta+cable&aq=f)

When using the pc on the car you need to make sure the car is prepped, this means that it has been washed and clayed and that there is no dirt on or in the paint. The plastic and vinyl needs to be taped up so it isnt marked, you can apply a strip of tape to the paint you are going to use the pc on to check the difference. (i would highly advise you get a scrap piece of metal to practice with first if you are at all nervous so you can perfect your technique but i will briefly decribe what to do)
Apply a small cross of the polish in the centre of the pad and rub on the car (a small square area about 1x1 foot. You can do a bigger area once you are confident) Once you applied this start the pc on speed 1 (make sure it is contacted to the paint, dont ever put on take off while it is on!!) after it is on the paint up the speed to 5 for about 5-6 passes with minimal pressure then up the speed to 6 for 1-2 passes with no pressure just the weight of the machine (increase the passes on both speeds if necessary, you are aiming to break the polish down meaning it goes clear and blurry on the paint. It is crucial you break the polish down) Then buff off, see if the pad and polish combo was effective in removing the defects. If not either do another few new passes (if it was 90% effective) or up the polish and/or pad (if only 60% effective) You will find the perfect technique with polish and pad after a while, as with all things practice makes perfect and it will take a very long time to get perfect!

This is a very basic description of how to use a pc and as i said video tutorials and practice will be the best thing to get you good with the pc. The best thing i can say is its very hard to do damage with a pc so dont worry too much, the worse you can do is not get rid of enough defects and have to go over again (unless you drop the pad and pick up stones but just be careful lol)

These are just basics and there are many more products available to use. As with most things is always great to find out for yourself though

Any further info can be found on www.detailingworld.co.uk. Lots of links, info and people to help you!

Any products can be found on http://www.autoperfection.com/shop/

Enter 'mkgolfgti' into the discount coupon box for a 10% Discount   :jumpmove:

Thanks and enjoy cleaning your car!

 :happy2:



Hope it helps!

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Heres a few pics of some cars i have done (so you know i have a good idea of what im talking about )

A GTO i PC'd

Before
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F29092008511.jpg&hash=76303835bced1f6018e509db1313fceef10555ac)

After
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F01102008524.jpg&hash=e8a6242356ed07c6785edaf15626941f16bc8fde)

Some work i did on a mazda (white is great to turn round!)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F02102008542.jpg&hash=38e6bbea0cda9b671414ddb080f0b5dbd47e8507)

The right side has been PC'd
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F02102008544.jpg&hash=d229aa9fe801a6c601c809c135667759257c0b02)

You can see from another angle (the left side has been PC'd)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F02102008545.jpg&hash=1c20fcf5887492509c74ff5d5436a9746136f93c)

On the wing you can see the near part has yet to be PC'd
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F02102008547.jpg&hash=477b2f6112f3de590da4852bbf55dfb5790841db)


A few others i have done:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0251.jpg&hash=02bac243013374a4815b49975193a64935a463ba)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0253.jpg&hash=16e9a25ab486b738aabc305b49b69abd01a3ee34)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0229.jpg&hash=1e52408a8bb78ff4c08c2eeffce0cc1c40ed94e8)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0239.jpg&hash=dff6c1e8a302dc776eebb99b0bd13a322307a759)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2FSPM_A0246.jpg&hash=6ee4e801fac83db97f29ec6fc7606568f3c5c0b1)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F23042008175.jpg&hash=4eafec122df5f7db6a22fc6c8ebdb33e13003d7c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fs131%2FJules86dad%2F23042008178.jpg&hash=8fb64d6c6a70a2b2e7aa17c0ac7c0ae9e7a15dc8)

I have also worked on:
BMW 325ci
Porsche 911
Mercedes CLK
MK5 Golf GTI
Citroen Saxo
Honda Civic
Ford Fiesta
Subaru Imprezza
Land Rover
Citroen C6

 :grin:

I hope everyone has found this interesting and informative. Please feel free to ask any questions as I am more than certain someone here will be able to help.

Jules86
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 19, 2009, 08:16:23 pm
Hope this helps!

Feel free to PM me or to add anything! Im always happy to give advise and link to any products and review them (i have used a lot!)

I will add more as i detail my car (yet to PC it yet) when i have i can fine tune the thread towards the MK5 Golfs paint and what works best.


Cheers guys (thanks 08MICSTA)

 :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: 08micsta on May 19, 2009, 08:19:54 pm
Not a problem at all.  :happy2:

I also look forward to hearing yours (And other detailers) thoughts on the MK5's paint and the best way to tackle it.

Mike
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 19, 2009, 08:28:20 pm
Here is some pics of clearkote red moose glaze with swissvax onyx wax

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FJules86dad%2FUploads_via_Pixelpipe%2Fimg_0065.jpg&hash=627cb95b25042871b4a2f88fd8760c529659d512)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FJules86dad%2FUploads_via_Pixelpipe%2Fimg_0066.jpg&hash=e00876b7e5daa024fbc9c924363165ddd46bac21)
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: illyun on May 19, 2009, 09:51:29 pm
Hi Jules.. quick question about the glaze.  Does it stop the paint 'breathing' as I have read that quality wax allows the paint to 'breath' - whatever that means - unlike a sealant or cheap wax that doesn't?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 19, 2009, 10:59:58 pm
The paint doesnt breathe as such. Its more to do with the way the wax/sealant/glaze works. Cheaper ones will 'gunk' up the paint where as a good glaze will apply evenly. Think of polish as something which cuts down the paint slightly, a glaze as something that smooths it over and evens the finish and the sealant/wax as something which holds the glaze and protects/enhances the finish.

The glaze i use has oils which prevent the sealant from bonding chemically (Jetseal) These oils are what causes the flake to 'pop' and adds to the shine.

I wouldnt get to hung up on prices of wax. Its the prep work that goes into the finish more than the product.

An £8 pound wax on a well prepped car will look a million times better than £1000 wax on a badly prepped car.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: illyun on May 20, 2009, 09:30:35 am


An £8 pound wax on a well prepped car will look a million times better than £1000 wax on a badly prepped car.


And there I went and bought Paul Dalton's Crystal Wax thinking it would substitute my laziness   :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 20, 2009, 06:21:52 pm
 :signLOL:

Well a great wax will look a lot better than a cheaper wax on a well prepped car  :wink:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 20, 2009, 08:45:12 pm
For anyone unaware of the wax in question

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http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/f38/introducingpaul-daltons-crystal-rock-wax-1616.html

£10,000 for the crystal version (£500 for us mere mortals)

 :smiley:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: illyun on May 21, 2009, 10:42:04 am
Yeah, I thought the crystal version a bit too expensive - £9500 for crystal packaging - no thanks  :rolleye:

By the way... the wax smells so good that you have to consciously stop yourself from licking it  :grin:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: JPC on May 21, 2009, 10:46:28 am
nice guide, well done.

@ Illyun - In terms of paint breathing...

when the paint is still not cured, it does need to breathe.

a Wax or sealant will both stop the paint breating or curing.

Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: illyun on May 21, 2009, 11:19:03 am
I'm still toying with the idea of putting the Paul Dalton wax on the R32 which will be up for sale quite soon. :sad:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 25, 2009, 08:00:30 am
127 views and not one thanks  :sad1:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: 08micsta on May 25, 2009, 08:02:07 am
Eish... The detailing section seems a bit quiet lately....

Dont worry Jules. Your write up is appreciated.  :grouphug:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 25, 2009, 08:15:03 am
 :grin:

Im not too bothered, judging by the views it should have helped a couple of people which was the point anyways!

Thought it would be a popular thread with the weather, im guessing everyone chose the pub/bar-b-q instead  :drinking:

When the car gets detailed by autoperfections ill get as many tips as i can for the cars paint to add to the the thread, will have some professional input then  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: illyun on May 25, 2009, 09:49:15 am
127 views and not one thanks  :sad1:

There you go  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
 :happy2:

Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on May 25, 2009, 10:54:39 am
Thank you very much  :smiley:

Working with autoperfections to get some product links up and the discount code to help everyone out. Seeing how they contribute to the forum i thought it only fair they get a mention within the thread

 :grouphug:

Shouldnt take too long!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: clive_gti on May 27, 2009, 12:07:09 am
What products would you recommend for steel/united grey?  The paint is in good condition and was recently clayed.  All products would be applied by hand (meguiars pad) and I currently have the following in my garage:

Meguiars Clay Bar & Quick Detailer (Used this recently for the first time!)
Autoglym SRP (Tried it and didn't like the white residue it left on plastics & rubber but maybe I over applied?)
Turtlewax Gloss Guard (Bought a few years ago but not tried it yet)
Meguiars NXT Tech Wax (Used regularally)
Autoglym Aqua Wax (Used once a month to top up shine)

Would some combination of the above be sufficient or should I be looking at different products to bring out the best?  How do you rate Autoglym HD Wax?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: autoperfection.com on May 27, 2009, 01:35:35 pm
Hi Clive,

The clay and quick detailer and good products, however, there are better alternatives available to the SRP, Gloss Guard and Tech Wax.

Depending on your budget in our opinion you would be better to first of all clay the vehicle with the clay kit you already have, and then use something like Lusso Revitalising Creme (doesn't create any dust or leave behind any white residue) and then finish with a carnauba paste wax, such as Lusso Oro, Dodo Juice Purple Haze or if your budget allows - Dodo Juice Supernatural.

We feel that if you use these products, rather than those you've listed, you will find them easier to use and you'll achieve better results.

With regards to the AG HD Wax, it does a good job, however, we feel that there are better products out there that are better value for money and achieve better results.

Hope this helps

Taryn and Jim  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: clive_gti on May 27, 2009, 02:14:31 pm
^^^ Thanks, I'll have a look at your site to see prices for the products recommended :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: autoperfection.com on May 27, 2009, 06:11:10 pm
^^^ Thanks, I'll have a look at your site to see prices for the products recommended :happy2:

No problem... if you do order anything, enter 'mk5golfgti' into the discount coupon box and you'll get 10% off the products  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: 08micsta on June 01, 2009, 08:18:27 am
Alrigthy guys  :smiley:

Original Post updated with new Autoperfection links to their products. Thanks for the effort that has gone into this guide everyone  :drinking:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Boothy on June 08, 2009, 10:04:43 pm
Jules mate. Cracking thread and you have my thanks.

A bit of advice though if you could. When I looked on the Meguires site it basically says what you say. Clean, polish and then wax but when they use the NEXGEN 2.0 tech wax stuff they just wash the car and use it straight away without polishing? Should I be applying a polish first before the tech wax or am I missing something. The car looks nice when I've used it but I can't help feeling its missing something?

Cheers mate. :smiley:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: autoperfection.com on June 09, 2009, 10:34:22 am
Jules mate. Cracking thread and you have my thanks.
A bit of advice though if you could. When I looked on the Meguires site it basically says what you say. Clean, polish and then wax but when they use the NEXGEN 2.0 tech wax stuff they just wash the car and use it straight away without polishing? Should I be applying a polish first before the tech wax or am I missing something. The car looks nice when I've used it but I can't help feeling its missing something?
Cheers mate. :smiley:
Hi Boothmeister
When you first work on the car to get the best results you should ideally do a 4 stage process
1-    Wash the car with the methods described in this thread.
2-   Clay the car
3-   Polish/Pre wax cleanse
4-   Wax
You should basically do the above to get the car in the best shape and then maintain the finish by topping up the wax – so every month or more often if you wanted wash and then wax the car.
Dependant on the how much the car is used this whole process should be repeated either every 6 months or 12 months.
For more protection and better looks there are some better and easier to use products than the meguiars

Hope this helps.
Taryn and Jim :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2009, 10:39:23 am
.

....Excellent post! :happy2: 8) :happy2:

If I ever decide to bother to go to so much trouble cleaning my car (very doubtful!) I'll refer to it. This post is one of the best I've read because it's clear and not daunting. Many detailing how-to threads get pretty anal.

Meanwhile, a couple of hours handwash and only when she gets dirty (so I can see a difference) is all I do except cleaning the wheels as they get dirty quicker.

Otherwise I use a speed detailer to locally remove any bird poo or similar each time I put her away in my garage.

I don't know why, but personally I don't like the look of an ultra shiny car - Am I the only one who thinks like that?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Greeners on June 09, 2009, 11:08:14 am
.

....Excellent post! :happy2: 8) :happy2:

If I ever decide to bother to go to so much trouble cleaning my car (very doubtful!) I'll refer to it. This post is one of the best I've read because it's clear and not daunting. Many detailing how-to threads get pretty anal.

Meanwhile, a couple of hours handwash and only when she gets dirty (so I can see a difference) is all I do except cleaning the wheels as they get dirty quicker.

Otherwise I use a speed detailer to locally remove any bird poo or similar each time I put her away in my garage.

I don't know why, but personally I don't like the look of an ultra shiny car - Am I the only one who thinks like that?

Yes you are.................. Dirty boy!  :P
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: JPC on June 09, 2009, 11:11:18 am
im obviously one of the many who thinks a shiny car looks amazing!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: 08micsta on June 09, 2009, 11:43:27 am
So Rob. This does nothing for you?

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fx255%2F08micsta%2F19-1.jpg&hash=219568743c937fa8233ef37bf384656866eba915)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fx255%2F08micsta%2F10.jpg&hash=50a17121d7d552781bee9679754e8848d9e0e015)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fx255%2F08micsta%2FDSCF4157.jpg&hash=e25eefd8d795c0e2a201ae998190e961c24a6111)

Thats not what I heard.....  :innocent:
















(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fx255%2F08micsta%2FRedrobin.jpg&hash=f00333e74b03cd333d61dcbe02a8bdff46e075c4)

 :signLOL: Stop lying to yourself... You do but you're just too lazy to clean your mistress  :evilgrin:


Mike
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on June 09, 2009, 12:29:27 pm
Jules mate. Cracking thread and you have my thanks.

A bit of advice though if you could. When I looked on the Meguires site it basically says what you say. Clean, polish and then wax but when they use the NEXGEN 2.0 tech wax stuff they just wash the car and use it straight away without polishing? Should I be applying a polish first before the tech wax or am I missing something. The car looks nice when I've used it but I can't help feeling its missing something?

Cheers mate. :smiley:

As autoperfections said, you wont need to polish all the time. Polish is a correction stage and so should only be done every 4-6 months (or longer is used less and maintained well)

Just keep the shine topped up with more coats of wax, bearing in mind most waxes will stop being affective after 4-6 coats (wax dependent) So if you wax once a month then by the 6 month strip it off and start the process again  :wink:

.

....Excellent post! :happy2: 8) :happy2:

If I ever decide to bother to go to so much trouble cleaning my car (very doubtful!) I'll refer to it. This post is one of the best I've read because it's clear and not daunting. Many detailing how-to threads get pretty anal.

Meanwhile, a couple of hours handwash and only when she gets dirty (so I can see a difference) is all I do except cleaning the wheels as they get dirty quicker.

Otherwise I use a speed detailer to locally remove any bird poo or similar each time I put her away in my garage.

I don't know why, but personally I don't like the look of an ultra shiny car - Am I the only one who thinks like that?

No probs mate, just my findings and experience. Im sure there are better more detailed guides, but this should hopefully help by being used for sections, for if you want to know about engine cleaning or wax for example.

Have to say i think a car looks best when its gleaming  8)
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2009, 02:28:17 pm

So Rob. This does nothing for you?

 :signLOL: Stop lying to yourself... You do but you're just too lazy to clean your mistress  :evilgrin:


Mike

....Obviously those are very cool pics but as aesthetic photography and the shiny cars are only subjects. In the flesh, I still don't much like cars when they look so brand new and not driven. I can't force myself to feel what I don't.

Yes, I am too 'lazy' to clean my car to that standard and also not so skilled, or patient. I keep telling myself I should pay someone to detail my car for me who knows what they are doing - Someone like Taryn and Jim. But I don't find that I'm that bothered to go that far and pick up the phone - I'd rather spend the money on petrol.

I bought some cleaning cloths and speed detailer from Taryn on Saturday - Only the sort of stuff to make my level of cleaning easier.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: monte on September 15, 2009, 08:35:32 pm
Thanks Jules for a great write-up :smiley:

Rob. Take a look at my shiny paint! I didn't use no clay, wax cleanser, polish, glaze etc,etc. I just washed the car and used the Diamond White Dodo Juice Wax! Next time i might use the claybar and lime prime before waxing! :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftt210%2Fmonte0797%2FP1030381.jpg&hash=7a4fe8748539c0e9f429b2324714f98e0747b694)
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on September 16, 2009, 06:11:47 pm
Looks good mate but could deffo do with a clay, might just be the picture but the depth isnt there! Lovely color though  :notworthy:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Hedgeperson on April 05, 2010, 06:47:47 pm
Ok, first post, so go gentle on me... :grin:

I've basically spent the best part of 3 days detailing my car, over the Easter weekend (picked it up Thurs eve before Good Friday). It's a standard 06 5-door GTi in Graphite blue.

Closely (religiously) following this guide has proven to be so satisfying. The car looks awesome. Gained a lot of knowledge about "it" all along the way and can't wait to do it all again soon(ish).

The only thing I found a real pain - literally - was getting the sealant off that I'd left overnight. That was a proper pain in the ar$e, basically; wouldn't do that again. I used a Zaino product for that bit. My stuff is Zaino dominated, not all of it I'm impressed with. The tyre dressing, for instance, I thought was absolute pony. The Meguires gel is miles better.

Need to up the ante a bit, when it comes to some of my products, but I've thrown a bit of money at it already - again, courtesy of this site. I haven't even started on the interior yet!

All the neighbours think i'm a loon. Standard.

Thanks to the author of this thread  :happy2:

Cheers, Hedge
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Saint Steve on April 05, 2010, 06:52:53 pm
Welcome to the site....  :happy2:

Another Hedge to watch out for :scared:


Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on April 08, 2010, 10:55:54 pm
Nice one mate! Get some pics up  :drool:

The guide is adjustable depending on products and method mate, if you find you dont like the products or technique (leaving the sealant on) adjust it to suit you! No point in doing something if its makes it harder  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Hedgeperson on April 11, 2010, 08:35:08 am
Nice one mate! Get some pics up  :drool:

The guide is adjustable depending on products and method mate, if you find you dont like the products or technique (leaving the sealant on) adjust it to suit you! No point in doing something if its makes it harder  :happy2:

Shall whack some pics up later; gonna be cleaning it AGAIN this arvo.... :grin:
Graphite blue doesn't show up as "dramatically" as other colours though, post washing. Shame, cos the car is in superb nick.
Cheers, Hedge
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: golf nutter on August 12, 2011, 08:14:47 pm
...a little resurrection here...but what a good read that was...Thank You.  i have bought some proper cleaning products for the first time (polish, wax, decent towels/cloths/applicators).  i really like the autoglym sealant product you mention, super gloss protection (or something?!) it really makes a difference.  will go and  buy a couple of decent buckets and mitt now tomorrow before i start!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on August 12, 2011, 09:32:55 pm
Extra Gloss Protection.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: golf nutter on August 13, 2011, 08:31:45 am
That's the one!  :laugh:  Great stuff.  I will be following the advice in this thread and put a couple of coats of it on before waxing.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: maxload on August 20, 2011, 10:52:58 pm
...a little resurrection here...but what a good read that was...Thank You.  i have bought some proper cleaning products for the first time (polish, wax, decent towels/cloths/applicators).  i really like the autoglym sealant product you mention, super gloss protection (or something?!) it really makes a difference.  will go and  buy a couple of decent buckets and mitt now tomorrow before i start!

Brilliant - if your gonna do a job do it right. To stand back and look at the final highly polished result is amazing :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Jules86 on August 21, 2011, 12:58:37 pm
No problems.

There will be new products now im sure, the main used names change every year!

 :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Pablos007 on August 21, 2011, 05:50:21 pm
Great post(s)  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: ianc1990 on September 04, 2011, 04:40:11 pm
good guide!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: maxload on September 04, 2011, 06:15:32 pm
Have been using Autoglym SRP on my car for a while now. Now this is a great product used with Autoglym HD wax. However today I used Autglym Ultra Deep Shine  specialy formulated for dark cars and am very impressed. All I did was wash then applied the ultra deep shine.  The pictures don't do it justice but I cant recomend this product enough. You can see the metalic flakes in the paint and it seems to give the car more depth and a deeper color. Will try to take some better pics  :grin:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fz412%2Fmaxload2010%2FP9040045.jpg&hash=dcae27f16d0f82ee2a914c4f69ba99a2fae3db4c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fz412%2Fmaxload2010%2FP9040041.jpg&hash=a29806553130112dde7bb8e6dce04ab49ae1b975)
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: golf nutter on September 04, 2011, 07:57:01 pm
i think it comes out well in the photos.   :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Saint Steve on September 04, 2011, 09:23:26 pm
 :congrats:

she certainly is in great condition.. a rare low miler is top condition Simon.

enjoy her :drinking:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: maxload on September 04, 2011, 09:52:34 pm
Cheers steve  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Frenzy on September 04, 2011, 11:23:40 pm
Looking very good  :congrats:

I used SRP on mine and as a beginner working by hand i found it to be a good product but i don't care much for the smell of it  :sick:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: zenicman9 on December 08, 2011, 01:51:41 pm
What would you advise to get rid of swirl marks on an MK5 golf red? and also make it have a deep polish look to it?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Boothy on December 09, 2011, 10:00:26 am
What would you advise to get rid of swirl marks on an MK5 golf red? and also make it have a deep polish look to it?

By hand or by machine? You could be struggling to remove swirls by hand to be honest due to how hard the VW paint is or it would take a looooooong time. You could go down the route of using a good glaze which is choc full of 'fillers' and magic although ideally you need a machine and a polish.
 For me, Prima Amigo has been good by hand and I have seen fairly good results if you really work it and do multiple coats. Autoglym SRP (Super resin polish) seems to get good reviews for covering swirl marks too.

Theres plenty of Pro's on here that can help but have a look on Detailing World too. There will probably be a fair few threads asking the same question that will be worth reading.

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=241662&highlight=removing+swirls+marks+by+hand

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=226599&highlight=removing+swirls+marks+by+hand
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: maxload on December 11, 2011, 02:06:27 pm
Removing swirls by hand is very hard work. Using a DA is the way to go. Take a look at this brilliant guide also on detailingworld.co.uk > http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=63859
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Mk5 GTian on December 25, 2011, 11:03:36 pm
Jules,

Thank you for such a brilliant and comprehensive guide to detailing. I'm using the Meguiars 1 step headlight restoration kit tomorrow, which involves using a polishing buff pad that connects to an ordinarly drill.

Would you  avoid using a normal drill for general polishing of bodywork? I've bought some buff pads from Halfords to fit into the chuck of my normal drill, but you  talk about a random movement polisher. Is this absolutely necessary for machine polishing?

I'm going to buy a decent mitt and waffle drying cloths tomorrow, so thanks again. Really helpful, and much appreciated.

Ian.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on December 26, 2011, 12:32:39 am
I'd worry about the risk of buffing right through the clear coat. Not impossible to Do even with a DA. Use a proper machine polisher for the job or pay a pro to do it for you!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Mk5 GTian on December 26, 2011, 07:12:03 am
I'd worry about the risk of buffing right through the clear coat. Not impossible to Do even with a DA. Use a proper machine polisher for the job or pay a pro to do it for you!

Do you use one? What are the top makes and models?

I'll take your advice and stick to elbow grease for now!

Thanks
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on December 26, 2011, 07:32:24 am
Quite a few DAs on the market. Ideally aim for one with a kit of pads and polishes to get you going. You can then build up from there.

I have a megs G220 but quite a few have come out since then eg kestrel, silverline, dodo etc.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: nathangallo on December 30, 2011, 04:49:26 pm
Hi bit of help i use autoglym products on my steel grey gti i use the shampoo conditioner first, dry with chamois, then use the super resin autoglym, i have now bought extra gloss protection would this be ok as a sealent or should i use something different, also if it is fine would a wax on top of this affect it anymore or should i just ditch the gloss protection and go for this

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/collinite-476s-super-doublecoat-auto-wax/prod_207.html

your help would be much appreciated
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on December 30, 2011, 05:23:02 pm
I'd avoid chamois leather. Unless the car is perfectly clean and dust free at the time of use, you end up rubbing dirt particles into the paintwork and creating new scratches.

As I said in the other thread, EGP is excellent after SRP - they are desined to work together.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: nathangallo on December 30, 2011, 05:54:37 pm
I'd avoid chamois leather. Unless the car is perfectly clean and dust free at the time of use, you end up rubbing dirt particles into the paintwork and creating new scratches.

As I said in the other thread, EGP is excellent after SRP - they are desined to work together.

sweet i shall get a drying cloth tomorrow, the egp could i use a foam applicator and then remove when hazed with a mf cloth
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on December 30, 2011, 06:04:17 pm
Yup
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: nathangallo on December 30, 2011, 06:10:55 pm
Yup

how long do you rekon the egp will last its the 325ml that should be enough for one go shouldnt it ?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on December 30, 2011, 06:16:30 pm
Four months dependant on application.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: nathangallo on December 30, 2011, 07:19:30 pm
Four months dependant on application.

how many coats do you think i should do ?
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: MC71 on March 25, 2012, 11:47:09 pm
Am fairly new to the forum and have recently decided to detail my car, came across this excellent thread and  :congrats:. Original post may be 2-3 years old but has been a great help, thanks has been given. Genuinely did not realise what went into "cleaning the car" the detailing way. Have spent a bloody fortune - DAS 6 dual action polisher, meguiars pads and plate, selection of meguiars polishes, clearkote red moose glaze, victoria red concous wax, 3M 3434 masking tape (25mm and 50mm), meguiars quick detailer, Sonus green ultra fine clay 100g, autoglym fast glass, autoglym glass polish, autoglym tar remover, meguiars endurance tyre gel and meguiars tyre dressing applicator, selection of monza detailing brushes, shed load of microfibres, dodo juice applicator, meguiars 100% lambs wool wash mitt, meguiars waffle drying cloth, autosmart hyper ultra moose snow foam and THANK GOD I already had a pressure washer and lance/bootle. If I don't use it all I could always start a shop!!
Having written that all down am now feeing very poor indeed! Thank you for helping me to empty my wallet but most of all for returning me to the joys of "cleaning the car" :drinking:
Oh and I'm practices on my fathers rather nice 2 year old CLK (he must be mad) as it's a similar colour to my Tornado Red ED30.
Will. Post pics of mine (and his, if you want) when I'm happy with the finish but please don't expect anything close to what you guys seem to achieve.  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Msc1 on April 28, 2012, 02:41:37 pm
Great Guide, will do once the sun the out. Thanks
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: RLS on May 21, 2012, 06:36:04 pm
As said above great write up, thanks for taking the time to start this thread  :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: driver rider on June 12, 2012, 09:05:21 pm
Massive Thumbs up to the OP.
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: MrP on July 03, 2012, 11:39:28 am
all the links to the autoperfection website are down :(
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: stealthwolf on July 03, 2012, 01:03:42 pm
That's because they're out of business!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Ramsay on May 22, 2013, 05:00:47 pm
Excellent Guide Thanks added  :congrats:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: KennyGTI on June 10, 2013, 03:36:27 pm
Good guide  :notworthy:

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: marko on June 10, 2013, 05:11:23 pm
very good write up mate!!
 :happy2:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Ciano91 on March 24, 2014, 11:39:46 pm
Cheers for this very hwlpful :driver:
Title: Re: The Official Detailing Guide for Your GTi
Post by: Monster_Mike on October 05, 2015, 12:40:48 pm
Great guide and write up, good amount of detail too.. Just need to get cleaning...  :scared:

Mike