MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Jungle_Faced_Jake on September 14, 2011, 11:14:11 pm
I personally think the Mk5 GTI is the best GTI since the Mk1. VW really reclaimed the crown with this one I reckon. I have no experience of the Mk6 so can't really comment on that one (it's a Mk5 with a facelift) but I have experience of all the others either as an owner or knowing an owner. The Mk1 is now a bona fide classic and was voted the most important car of the 20th century by Jeremy Clarkson. So do you think the Mk5 is destined to become a future classic?
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: big al on September 14, 2011, 11:40:46 pm
I don't think it will.
Think the lupo will though. Only 800 gti's on the road in the Uk
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Post by: rich83 on September 15, 2011, 12:09:05 am
Nah... i don't think so!
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Jungle_Faced_Jake on September 15, 2011, 12:10:09 am
Good point Big Al, there are a lot of Mk5's out there.
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Post by: mortygttdi on September 15, 2011, 12:24:20 am
I don't think the lupo will be any where a remembered classic, but what constitutes a classic?

You cant just say the mk5 wont be a classic just cos there is loads of them on the road? I bet the mk1 out sold the mk5 ten fold, the price back then would have been the deciding factor to buy the mk1 but now the mk5 demands a premium from new. I dont think the mk5 will be a classis but it will be remembered for putting the gti back into the brand name that for sure.

Darren   
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Post by: h4rdy on September 15, 2011, 01:08:49 am
No its just another VW.

I remember taking our Touran for a service and they gave me a Passat as a courtesy. I believe they did that hoping we might change. When I picked the Touran up the Service guy said 'how was the passat'? To which I replied 'exactly the same as the Touran but a different body shape'! Next week it went in I got a Fox!

My point? All the same just faster or slower, and that goes for every other car on the road. Its all about corporate identity nowadays.
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Post by: impuLz on September 15, 2011, 08:15:53 am
I agree that the Mk5 Gti helped put the name back at the top- even the likes of TopGear were impressed,

but with current cars changing the model/shape every 5-10 years it has to be almost perfect to become a classic surely?


i think the mk4 still holds ground on the mk5 just on sheer numbers (see them everywhere in comparison) but the mk4 doesn't quite match up either....

who knows.... Stewy griffin timetravel time!
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Post by: will130787 on September 15, 2011, 08:24:10 am
No, there are too many and its already been done with the mk1 although the mk5 is the best gti since
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Post by: Gene Hunt on September 15, 2011, 08:37:29 am
Edition 30 will.  :innocent:
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Post by: gulfstream11 on September 15, 2011, 12:49:38 pm
I agree with above.. The MK5 GTI put VW back on top after the debacle of the MK4 version,(I owned one).But I also believe the MK4 golf shape is the best so far from VW..The PDengine,(Had one of those too) was excellent and made it fun to have a diesel and the R32 will never be bettered,its a truly awesome sight.Plus the MK4 held VW at its name... The peoples car.. :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 15, 2011, 01:01:26 pm
Agree....

I don't think classic, but do believe it has and will leave its mark. The MK5 GTI does seem to have put VW back up there......

Never had a Golf before, friend has a MK4 < didn't do anything for me really....the MK5 I love and would say to anyone 'Go for it!!!'

Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: RedRobin on September 15, 2011, 01:16:54 pm

I don't think classic, but do believe it has and will leave its mark. The MK5 GTI does seem to have put VW back up there......


....I agree.

However, my Mk5 will be a classic  :grin:

The Mk6 looks very ordinary - No stand-out factor.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 15, 2011, 01:28:50 pm
The MK6 (please anyone with one do not take offence this is an opionion!) did not excite me. I has nothing that wooow'ed me. Even the R, as special as it is, the MK5 R does make me  :drool: still......

For me, it's MK1 and MK5 all the way.

Robin < Agree she's a classic  :happy2:
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Post by: QD MBE on September 15, 2011, 01:35:18 pm
Edition 30 will.  :innocent:

I think the Pirelli and the R32 have a greater chance of becoming classics.  Standard Ed's would be sought after.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 15, 2011, 01:41:59 pm
Approx how many were supposed to be produced? believe they were limited, but there seems to be LOADS about?

ED30's ? -
and Pirelli ? -
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: markymark on September 15, 2011, 01:43:35 pm
ED30's ? -
and Pirelli ? -
ED30's ? - 2300 ish
Pirelli ? - 222
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: crashdesk on September 15, 2011, 01:48:41 pm
I don't think the MK5 GTI, Edition 30, R32 or Pirelli will become classics. They weren't enough of a game changer and the design, although I love it was nothing new. There is also the time we live in. When the Mk1 was released there was nothing like it on the road and it captured the imagination. Even with new Ferarri's and so called super cars there is little to be said about them to become true classic cars. As someone else here said, they just go faster, people are using carbon fibre etc...it's a struggle to come up with a car that redefines driving. (although a classic car doesn't have to redefine driving, whether it's handling, power or style, it does help)
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Post by: paul896 on September 15, 2011, 01:51:22 pm
The real question is tho, in our mass produced age, will anything become classic? Personally i dont think so, things obivously like an Enzo, Carrera GT, Veyron, Sesto Elemento, v limmited numbers and bespoke cars maybe.... but more maintstream cars? I personally dont think so
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: markymark on September 15, 2011, 01:57:49 pm
I agree with the above, I think that Ed30's and Pirellis will just command a slight premium over the standard GTI's as they do now. Mint standard examples may be more sought after....but its gonna be a few years yet.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Jungle_Faced_Jake on September 15, 2011, 03:23:29 pm
Some interesting opinions. I tend to agree with the thinking that it isn't enough of a game changer to be considered a classic but in the GTI enthusiasts world I do think it will be regarded as one of the best - but who knows what Mk7 and 8 will be like eh?

Gulfstream I agree about the Mk4 R32. I think that is one of the best looking Golfs ever and I think that could well become a classic. When I got my Mk5 it was a toss up between a good Mk4 R32 or a Mk5. In the end I went for the newer car. Don't regret it for one minute. Every time I drive it it puts a smile on my face  :smiley:
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Post by: Nasir on September 15, 2011, 03:33:06 pm
Yes I think a standard MK5 GTI will become a classic. It put VW back on the map again, I'd go as far as calling it one of the best cars made. It combines everything perfectly, performance, practicality, image and most importantly it has a modern side.

Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 15, 2011, 03:41:21 pm
Its becoming more and more difficult to actually get a 'classic' as we are in a mass produced society....faster, quciker and more!! So called limited editions, they always seem to end up doing more than they claimed......

Veyron < Special car, asking some silly prices at the moment. Again, only very few produced......however, there does seem to be a fair few knocking about these days. Will it make a classic? great piece of engineering......personally, think the price will bottom out once the next big thing comes along. Something better WILL takes its place.

Will still have a wow factor, but classic.......don't think so!

Many cars will be leaving there marks over the last few years < classics - holding prices, prices going up.....its getting harder

Hey just my opinion.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: RedRobin on September 15, 2011, 04:57:14 pm

Its becoming more and more difficult to actually get a 'classic' as we are in a mass produced society....faster, quciker and more!! So called limited editions, they always seem to end up doing more than they claimed......

Veyron < Special car, asking some silly prices at the moment. Again, only very few produced......however, there does seem to be a fair few knocking about these days. Will it make a classic? great piece of engineering......personally, think the price will bottom out once the next big thing comes along. Something better WILL takes its place.

Will still have a wow factor, but classic.......don't think so!

Many cars will be leaving there marks over the last few years < classics - holding prices, prices going up.....its getting harder

Hey just my opinion.


....But an opinion I happen to wholeheartedly agree with.

Much depends how we define the word "classic".
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: sub39h on September 15, 2011, 05:46:43 pm
agree with some of the comments about the R32 and Ed30 but not the standard GTI
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 15, 2011, 05:51:28 pm
Edition 30 will.  :innocent:

I think the Pirelli and the R32 have a greater chance of becoming classics.  Standard Ed's would be sought after.
agree'd, I would put mine back to standard if ever needed.But i have no plans to sell. Still enjoy it too much.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 15, 2011, 05:58:25 pm
Classics , something that will leave more than an impression. Sort after, wanted, increase in value....HARD to get........!!

Not seeing anything like that at present? seeing cars that have a wow factory, leave a mark.....but seriously, there is very little about at or has been recently that will be worth ££ in the future, not even the Veyron. This will bottom out in price.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Mako V12V on September 15, 2011, 08:22:49 pm
I think to be a 'modern day classis' a car needs to mark the end of an era? For eg, the Porsche 911 (993) built between 1993 and 1997 which were the last of the air cooled engined 911s.
My V12 Vantage 'could' also fall into this category as it has a huge 6 litre engine with a manual gearbox. Alot of so called experts are saying that in future all high end sports cars will come with paddle shift auto/semi-auto boxes; Ferrari do not produce manuals anymore do they? So maybe the V12 Vantage will be the last of the old school "big engine manuals" available, who knows? As long as this theory keeps the value up that's fine with me  :happy2:
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Post by: RedRobin on September 15, 2011, 08:41:13 pm
^
I spotted a stunning Aston like yours yesterday: Silver with black bonnet grills and plate 'V12 COG' <-- Very cool  :drool:
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Post by: Mako V12V on September 15, 2011, 09:14:31 pm
^
I spotted a stunning Aston like yours yesterday: Silver with black bonnet grills and plate 'V12 COG' <-- Very cool  :drool:
There were 20 (nearly 10%) of UK build V12 Vantages attend an Open Day at the factory earlier this year, but not that one!
The bonnet grills are not black as such, but carbon fibre grills to match the lower front spoiler! :happy2:
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: Sarah on September 15, 2011, 11:17:48 pm
I don't think it will.
Think the lupo will though. Only 800 gti's on the road in the Uk

Really? I thought there'd be more than that!

As for the lupo being a classic I've heard someone else say that before too but I don't think it would be a classic in the mk1 sense that a lot of people know about it and made waves when it was launched, voted for by the media etc etc I think enthusiasts will drive the price up of them over the years and I think the same is to be said about the mk5s but it would be the standard models that would fetch the most.

I think these days it's probably easier to find a mk1/mk5  (ok not so much the mk5) that is modded in some way than a totally standard example!
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: gobbleplease on September 15, 2011, 11:31:28 pm
I agree with the mk4 r32 comments they are not far away from mk5 r32 money at the moment, i dont think the mk5 will become a classic like the mk1 or mk2 gtis, but i think they will have a following further down the line
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: RedRobin on September 16, 2011, 08:37:33 am

I think these days it's probably easier to find a mk1/mk5  (ok not so much the mk5) that is modded in some way than a totally standard example!


....Especially on this forum! The Mk5 GTI begs for modding - It would be rude not to.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRR%2FRR_TshirtGolfMod.jpg&hash=c5573bc81fbc453f85b4c1db6523c7b8b7edd949)
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Post by: kjg1976 on November 07, 2019, 09:54:41 pm
Edition 30 will.  :innocent:

So will the Pirelli
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: pudding on November 15, 2019, 01:28:18 pm
I remember having the same conversation on a BMW forum about the E30 325i Sport, nearly 20 years ago.  Everyone was like "Nah, only the M3 will be a classic".

This 325i Sport sold for £51K at Silverstone auctions a few days ago :surprised:  https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/events/2019-auctions/nec-classic-motor-show-sale-2019/nec-classic-motor-show-sale-saturday-9th-sunday-10th-november-2019/2pm-saturday-9th-november-cars/1991-bmw-325i-e30-sport

And to think I picked one of them up for 500 quid in 2001 and sold it on a few months later  :doh:

I think time warp MK5s like that bimmer will definitely fetch high prices in years to come, because it marked the return of the GTI, after years of indifference by VW  :happy2:  The 325i S wasn't particularly special at the time, it's just that pretty much ANYTHING old and mint in the car world fetches bonkers prices these days.  Too many people with too much money around it seems.
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Post by: bobby_fodge on November 15, 2019, 01:49:17 pm
Non-car people are now seeing classic cars as investments. I doubt everyone who has bought a 911 or Dino in the last 5 years are genuine petrol heads. All this activity is seeing prices rise and rise.
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Post by: pudding on November 15, 2019, 01:57:34 pm
Yep, agreed.  I wish I had a crystal ball 20 years ago.

It's a bit annoying in situations where you might have saved up long and hard for a Clubsport S, or a 991 GT3 RS, and then VW/Porsche deliberately throttle sales to cause a speculator pricing war.  And as you say, the people who do that aren't even enthusiasts.....just good at reading the markets.
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Post by: colesey on November 15, 2019, 02:51:28 pm
I would say that any car that is kept in excellent condition and low mileage will one day sell for more than its its original list price. The premium for exceptional examples, like that 325, will be magnified due to scarcity. Question is how do you define a classic? Is it simply something that is old or does it need to have some exceptional merit from back in the day? The GTi image is iconic but is the mk5 truly groundbreaking?!? I would say not, certainly not in the way of Ur Quattros / Integrales / e30 M3 etc.
Title: Re: Will the Mk5 become a classic?
Post by: pudding on November 15, 2019, 04:48:49 pm
That is my point about the 325i Sport.  It wasn't an exceptional car objectively and didn't have a motorsport pedigree, like the E30 M3 had.  It was just a run of the mill 325i with better front seats (pull out knee supports like the RS Turbo Recaros had) and a few bodywork changes.  What gives that particular example more merit is the fact it's a 2 door, which wasn't all that common back in the day.

Absolutely the MK5 was groundbreaking in the context of its predecessors.  MK3 - awful.  MK4 - awful.  The MK5 was universally applauded by motoring journos and the buying public alike.  It may not deserve the same merit as the racing specials like the E30M M3/Delta S4/UR Quattro, but it was definitely a revolution as opposed to an evolution.  First GTI to get fully independent suspension, and the MK7/8 still uses the same basic underpinnings to this day. First GTI to get a turbo. First mass produced direct injection engine, which has won 'engine of the year' a few times.  It also harked back to it's great Granddad MK1 with the tartan seats and Golf ball gear knob.  These things matter.

Classic status is a complicated set of 'rules' and emotions not set in stone, but motoring significance is one of the measures the 'judges' commonly use.  I'd say the MK5 was pretty significant and arguably restored the GTIs credibility in the hot hatch arena.

EDIT: Second GTI to get a turbo, lol.  But the UK GTI initially got a crappy 8V 2.0 n'asp engine.