MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Hedge on June 08, 2009, 09:02:29 pm
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Some of you saw the evidence on Saturday @ Superchips well here are the results.
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Yes I know they need cleaning before people say. :P
Supplied by MatEd30 (cheers fella :happy2:) and fitted by JKM earlier today (thanks guys :happy2:).
They are the OEM front brakes from the Mk2 Leon Cupra R.
345mm disc versus the 312mm standard one. Bigger single piston calipers than the originals.
I think for the money they are an excellent option. I doubt I will need any thing more exotic as I don't plan any trackdays, other than for taking photos.
I'm still bedding them in but already the pedal feels firmer, with more bite. As the days progress I will push them a bit more but initial impressions are good.
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That was quick getting them fitted :laugh: glad i could help mate :happy2: they look spot on :evilgrin:
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Good work! :)
I'm refurbing a set of blue ones I got a few weeks ago, unfortunately the paint in the tin was bright orange!
What did you do with the brake lines? Did you use the old ones and get rid of the solid lines or use the Leon lines?
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They look very tasty Hedge, I need some of them in my life but I think I have spent enough today! 8)
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wait till the pads are fully bedded in before you start doing jenson button late braking moves!
mine needed about 100 miles before they really started working! Was actually worried at first with the new pads....well dodgy.
but bloody fantastic when bedded in and super VFM! and as you know hedge...i always like a good bargain :signLOL:
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They look the biz fella!
Wish I wasn't so skint as they would help me out no end at the Ring in a few weeks! :driver:
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full kit all new :happy2:
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Good work! :)
I'm refurbing a set of blue ones I got a few weeks ago, unfortunately the paint in the tin was bright orange!
What did you do with the brake lines? Did you use the old ones and get rid of the solid lines or use the Leon lines?
Brake lines were all new as Matt says.
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full kit all new :happy2:
Please stop! :love:
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Very Nice, I could do with those myself, Mat ED30 would you be able to supply another set....... :happy2:
Cheers
Rich.......
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Me too... how much... and can you supply a rear set?
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Front and Rear part numbers.
Fronts
LH CALIPER 1K0615123K
RH CALIPER 1K0615124K
CARRIER 1K0615125G qty 2
RETAINING SPRING 4F0615269 qty 2
PAD SET 1K0698151B
BRAKE DISC (345x30mm) 1K0615301M qty 2
LH SHIELD 1K0615311C
RH SHIELD 1K0615312C
FLEXI HOSE 1K0611701N qty 2
BOLT N10647602 qty 4
SCREW N90948802 qty 4
SCREW N91073301 qty 6
BRACKET 1K0611841A
BRACKET 1K0611842A
SCREW N90718601 qty 2
PIPE 1K0611763A
PIPE 1K0611764A
CLIP 191611715 qty 2
Rears
LH CALIPER 1K0615423P
RH CALIPER 1K0615424P
CARRIER 1K0615425J qty 2
PAD SET 1K0698451D
BRAKE DISC (286x12mm) 1K0615601M qty 2
LH SHIELD 1K0615611P
RH SHIELD 1K0615612P
LH FLEXI HOSE 1K0611763E
RH FLEXI HOSE 1K0611764L
Not sure if I will do the rears as the only difference is the vented disc and caliper to fit.
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Very Nice, I could do with those myself, Mat ED30 would you be able to supply another set....... :happy2:
Cheers
Rich.......
All sorted, thanks to Mat :jumpmove:
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Purely for research purposes I tried the pedal a bit harder on the way to work.
These brakes have plenty of feel and are certainly way more capable than I expected.
An excellent 'fast road' upgrade.
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Have recently spoke to Bill@Badger5 about Oem Brake Grooving he has offered the below at £25 per disc just looking for opinions
Not on the right disc but you get the Idea
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full kit all new :happy2:
Mat can you let me know how much you can get replacement disks for please.
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Isn't that a pic of the ATE grooved discs? They look really strange.. but apparently work well.
Most common groove pattern i've seen are :
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I've been looking at this kit......wondering how it will stand up to track days?
Anyone been using this on track?
All the big brake kits sourced outside UK seem extremely expensive from the prices I've been quoted.
Wonder whether paying nearly 2k for a brake kit is worth it over this kit?
Ian
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I've been looking at this kit......wondering how it will stand up to track days?
Anyone been using this on track?
All the big brake kits sourced outside UK seem extremely expensive from the prices I've been quoted.
Wonder whether paying nearly 2k for a brake kit is worth it over this kit?
Ian
leave it with me as there a few more kits coming soon but its all up in the air as for price and things
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Isn't that a pic of the ATE grooved discs? They look really strange.. but apparently work well.
Most common groove pattern i've seen are :
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.db-power.co.uk%2Fimages%2F345mm%2520Grooved%2520Website.jpg&hash=b6a2a51c6986651947a63f76ed962cbf89a2fc94)
How much are these discs?
I have had the R32 set up for some time now and likes hedge says they are perfect for fast road use, bit grabby at slow speeds but for the money£205 of the bay I cant complain.
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I've been looking at this kit......wondering how it will stand up to track days?
Anyone been using this on track?
All the big brake kits sourced outside UK seem extremely expensive from the prices I've been quoted.
Wonder whether paying nearly 2k for a brake kit is worth it over this kit?
Ian
leave it with me as there a few more kits coming soon but its all up in the air as for price and things
Are you a dealer Matt?
I'm at Combe on the 4th for a trackday and provisionally I'm going to run EBC yellow's with Motul RB 600F fluid to tide me over on the stock 312mm set up and report back on here my findings.
I'm also running Intermediate Dunlop D01J's tyres on a completely stock set up except for the map.
I'm interested to see how it copes but I suspect big brakes and some other mods will come in the future. I'm just reluctant to spend thousands on the car after I've just spent a shed load buying it in the first place. I suspect I will only do 2-3 trackdays a year so I'm mindful of not overspending!
Ian
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Not a dealer mate just know a few people lol but I am running yellow crap pads in mine with race brake fluid and they are shocking as I nearly set mine on fire :scared: there is no feal to them at all they Just are crap, they just bite and then fade very quick and I even complained to ebc saying they are not fit for purpose and they just gave me some bull crap answer. They are coming out very soon and will be going in the bin they are a waste of money
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Not a dealer mate just know a few people lol but I am running yellow crap pads in mine with race brake fluid and they are shocking as I nearly set mine on fire :scared: there is no feal to them at all they Just are crap, they just bite and then fade very quick and I even complained to ebc saying they are not fit for purpose and they just gave me some bull crap answer. They are coming out very soon and will be going in the bin they are a waste of money
oops that don't sound promising....perhaps I'll send them back! Don't want to waste money!
Ian
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Not a dealer mate just know a few people lol but I am running yellow crap pads in mine with race brake fluid and they are shocking as I nearly set mine on fire :scared: there is no feal to them at all they Just are crap, they just bite and then fade very quick and I even complained to ebc saying they are not fit for purpose and they just gave me some bull crap answer. They are coming out very soon and will be going in the bin they are a waste of money
I hate to say it, but I could've told you that before you put them in. I've had previous bad experiences with EBC products, as have other people I have met over the years. I will never use their products again.
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Not a dealer mate just know a few people lol but I am running yellow crap pads in mine with race brake fluid and they are shocking as I nearly set mine on fire :scared: there is no feal to them at all they Just are crap, they just bite and then fade very quick and I even complained to ebc saying they are not fit for purpose and they just gave me some bull crap answer. They are coming out very soon and will be going in the bin they are a waste of money
I hate to say it, but I could've told you that before you put them in. I've had previous bad experiences with EBC products, as have other people I have met over the years. I will never use their products again.
ditto!
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Cheese would be better than EBC crap. DS2500s or Mintex are the only ones I'd bother with.
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There are a few sets of good pads due out very soon from vwr but they are just waiting for them to turn up
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roughly how much does that brake kit work out ?
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roughly how much does that brake kit work out ?
The VWR big brake kit is approx £2495.
Most of the big brake kits start at £1400 plus VAT plus fitting....that's for a Brembo 1 piece GT kit.
2 Piece kits from AP/Alcon/Tarox are anything from £2200-£2800 plus vat :scared:
OE 345mm kits (R32/Cupra R) new are £580. (1piece OE calipers)
Brakes have increased dramatically since the pound v euro dilema :sad:
As for Yellow Stuff pads I will ring my supplier to see if they will substitute but I have read very positive reports all over the net hence my decision to get a set for track day use only. TT forum / Honda Type R etc etc rate them highly :surprised:
I used to run Pagid FR and blue's but they've priced themselves out of the market IMO and the blue's aren't kind to the discs.
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the AP 4 pot kit that RR has and the Alcon 4 pot kit can both be had for well under £2k incl VAT.
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the AP 4 pot kit that RR has and the Alcon 4 pot kit can both be had for well under £2k incl VAT.
I'm negotiating a price with Tarox at mo for their 10 pot 345mm single piece kit. The beauty with this kit is you can replace the discs with OE if needed rather than their heat treated billet items which could prove useful. You can also run their Corsa pads which 'are' brilliant as I ran them on my old car which had a 6 pot 2 piece kit.
Tarox tend to give a lovely brake pedal with no travel on the pedal and the only issue I had before was cost replacement of discs.
I'm also looking at their 2 piece options. I have to say their 10 pot caliper in anodised red looks superb!
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I have a set of brakes coming very very soon :grin:
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^^^ What ones have you got Mat :party: :party: :party:
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^^^ What ones have you got Mat :party: :party: :party:
:evilgrin: all i will say is they are red and have a 2 piece disc :evilgrin:
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the AP 4 pot kit that RR has and the Alcon 4 pot kit can both be had for well under £2k incl VAT.
I'm negotiating a price with Tarox at mo for their 10 pot 345mm single piece kit. The beauty with this kit is you can replace the discs with OE if needed rather than their heat treated billet items which could prove useful. You can also run their Corsa pads which 'are' brilliant as I ran them on my old car which had a 6 pot 2 piece kit.
Tarox tend to give a lovely brake pedal with no travel on the pedal and the only issue I had before was cost replacement of discs.
I'm also looking at their 2 piece options. I have to say their 10 pot caliper in anodised red looks superb!
I'd take a 2 piece disc over a fancy caliper all day long.
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the AP 4 pot kit that RR has and the Alcon 4 pot kit can both be had for well under £2k incl VAT.
I'm negotiating a price with Tarox at mo for their 10 pot 345mm single piece kit. The beauty with this kit is you can replace the discs with OE if needed rather than their heat treated billet items which could prove useful. You can also run their Corsa pads which 'are' brilliant as I ran them on my old car which had a 6 pot 2 piece kit.
Tarox tend to give a lovely brake pedal with no travel on the pedal and the only issue I had before was cost replacement of discs.
I'm also looking at their 2 piece options. I have to say their 10 pot caliper in anodised red looks superb!
I'd take a 2 piece disc over a fancy caliper all day long.
Great if you can keep replacing 2 piece discs and pads at nearly a £1000....I learnt that on my old 6 pot 2 piece kit....
It doesn't take long for the discs to start to get small surface cracking after a few hard trackdays.
One piece kits using this combo will be a very poweful set up using their 345mm billet slotted discs.
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The OEM 345mm LC/R32/S3 upgrade was thoroughly tested at Bedford Autodrome yesterday....and yep good for the road but not as good on the track.
Then again i do have OEM pads and Fluid so prolly wasn't the ideal set up for the track.
oh well the next car will have to have some proper brakes on it then. :laugh:
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I've run 2 piece kits previously....excellent they are Tarox/Alcon/Movit etc.
The only issue I found is that after a few trackdays and cracking 'will' appear whatever kit you are using and the price of rotors can be very hefty. For example the replacent rotors on the ALCON kit £300 a side plus VAT plus pads at £200....can be costly if you do a few days each year.
The Tarox 345mm kit on a 10 pot caliper works well and do offer flexibility on disc options.
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Jeeze - who quoted you those prices for Alcon bits??
I picked up a set of DS2500s for £140 all in for mine, as the DS3000s I got with the kit are a bit naughty for the road... I believe you can spec DSPs now if you mainly want them for a daily.
I wonder out of curiosity how long a set of rotors last Regal and the other cars that run the same brakes in the VW Cup?
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Jeeze - who quoted you those prices for Alcon bits??
I picked up a set of DS2500s for £140 all in for mine, as the DS3000s I got with the kit are a bit naughty for the road... I believe you can spec DSPs now if you mainly want them for a daily.
I wonder out of curiosity how long a set of rotors last Regal and the other cars that run the same brakes in the VW Cup?
Regal say a year on their race car. They quoted the disc replacement price. I agree 2 piece the best way to go it's just a financial pain to acquire the 2 piece kits and the high cost of replacement discs....just something I have considering.
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EARS in Macclesfield are much better on Alcon spares and will knock 10% off if you ask nicely, although Regal came in much better for the BBK @ £1800 because they buy in the cheaper VXR one, and then order the bells for the Golf... I believe?
In terms of a solid disc, I'd be concerned about cooking wheel bearings etc from the heat generated - the brakes on the back aren't up to much compared with my old vented TT set up, for example, so the fronts take much more abuse than a MKIV.
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EARS in Macclesfield are much better on Alcon spares and will knock 10% off if you ask nicely, although Regal came in much better for the BBK @ £1800 because they buy in the cheaper VXR one, and then order the bells for the Golf... I believe?
In terms of a solid disc, I'd be concerned about cooking wheel bearings etc from the heat generated - the brakes on the back aren't up to much compared with my old vented TT set up, for example, so the fronts take much more abuse than a MKIV.
Thanks....I'll let you know how Combe goes this weekend...Dunlop D01J's now fiited....absolutely brilliant even on the OE suspension to my pleasant surprise. Track rubber from my old MKIV...ex VW Cup Tyres that I stacked up on !!
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Chaps, I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss solid discs, you have to be putting some serious energy into a 32 or 34mm disc to get it to warp. This is the problem with the 345mm R32 its diameter is promising for track use but at 30mm wide its not track hardy but with it being 345mm in diameter it can generate some heat especially with fast road/race pads.
I cant remember the formula but you need something like 35-45% more energy to get the same temperature increase from a (for example) 28mm wide disc as into a 32mm.
There are some 32mm wide grooved 350mm discs I've been using with 996Turbo calipers with good results......
Price..... inside of 200 quid per pair!!!!
I suppose it all depends on how much of a purist you are and whether the 20% weight saving on the disc means more than having 4-600 quid left in your pocket for a remap or an exhaust.....
I read somewhere F1 Discs are about 38mm wide to deal with the heat (Max 300mm in diameter though :surprised:)
I'd be p1ssed off if I toasted a pair of Alcons on a track day
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I tell you what you absolutely don't want to do.... leave a pad imprint on them, have to take them off and re-finish them by hand.
That IS NOT clever. :ashamed:
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Chaps, I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss solid discs, you have to be putting some serious energy into a 32 or 34mm disc to get it to warp. This is the problem with the 345mm R32 its diameter is promising for track use but at 30mm wide its not track hardy but with it being 345mm in diameter it can generate some heat especially with fast road/race pads.
I cant remember the formula but you need something like 35-45% more energy to get the same temperature increase from a (for example) 28mm wide disc as into a 32mm.
There are some 32mm wide grooved 350mm discs I've been using with 996Turbo calipers with good results......
Price..... inside of 200 quid per pair!!!!
I suppose it all depends on how much of a purist you are and whether the 20% weight saving on the disc means more than having 4-600 quid left in your pocket for a remap or an exhaust.....
I read somewhere F1 Discs are about 38mm wide to deal with the heat (Max 300mm in diameter though :surprised:)
I'd be p1ssed off if I toasted a pair of Alcons on a track day
F1 regulations - wheel must have no more than one brake disc of 278mm maximum diameter and 28mm maximum thickness. Each disc must have only one aluminium caliper, with a maximum of six circular pistons, and no more than two brake pads