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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Mrstridey on June 25, 2015, 06:26:44 pm

Title: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on June 25, 2015, 06:26:44 pm: After working all the hours under the sun this month I have decided to put the overtime money to good use!
Have been umming and ahhing about this for a while but I'm gonna go an exhaust upgrade :grin:
I'm after a nice low burbly grunty noise :smiley:
Also - i'm often up quite early for work and dont wanna be 'that guy' so don't want a fart cannon!!
Probably going to have about £550 or thereabouts to play with!

Hope you can help!

Dan
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: AJP on June 25, 2015, 06:45:46 pm: You're probably in cat-back price range there rather than turbo-back, so don't expect any big power increase. Replacing the downpipe, and cat (with de-cat or sports cat) is where you'll release some power.

BCS are very popular on here, they do a Powervalve system that is quiet and civilised at part throttle, then nice and meaty on boost as a valve opens that bypasses a silencer.

Milltek are also a tried and tested brand. A few used systems come up for sale on here, and a full turbo-back exhaust with bigger downpipe may well come up within your budget.

Between the two, the consensus is that BCS are possibly better quality, but Milltek are still very good. If you go for Milltek, their 'resonated' systems are a bit quieter than their 'non-resonated'.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on June 25, 2015, 07:05:33 pm: thanks buddy!

I was under the impression that the BCS powervalve ones are only available as a turbo back system? Or am I wrong?

From everything I've been reading i THINK i want/can afford a cat back non res system of some sort.

Just want to get the right one!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: StuF on June 25, 2015, 07:17:00 pm: Do a little more overtime and get the turbo back 200cell BCS valved system
Nice and quiet off boost - group B rally car on boost
It worth the extra effort and expense - they are very very well made systems! :happy2:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: dom069 on June 25, 2015, 09:14:11 pm: I'll be selling a non-resonated milltek cat back in the next few days :wink:
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Post by: Mitch H on June 25, 2015, 11:27:36 pm: Another vote for bcs here :)
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Post by: Ricky123 on June 25, 2015, 11:51:00 pm: My last one made a really nice with just a pipewerx decat and the rest of the system was standard. Defiently felt like it went better too. You can get stainless cat back systems for £250 on eBay that are resonated. Not seen or heard one myself... Just a thought
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jay75 on June 27, 2015, 10:34:19 am: Pipe werx sell a down pipe with sports cat on eBay for £475, mated to your standard system they sound deeper and you'll be losing the power restriction at the same time! Within budget too!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mitch H on June 27, 2015, 03:39:16 pm: Just get eBay downpipe with decat :)
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: dan930 on June 27, 2015, 04:38:23 pm: Do some more overtime & buy a bcs full system
You won't be disappointed mate..
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 03, 2015, 10:09:39 am: Arrgh decisions decisions!!!
Doesn't seem to be many votes for getting a catback system at all then?

Even more undecided now!! :confused:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: AJG09 on July 03, 2015, 11:10:19 am: Nothing wrong with just a catback. All depends on what you want from it. I wanted more noise so I got a catback, then I can get a down pipe at a later date to make it a full tbe right before I get a remap. Its all personal preference as to what you want from the exhaust. :happy2:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: MC71 on July 03, 2015, 02:25:02 pm: Full BCS Powervalve TBE with decat or 200 Cell cat, end off.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: AJP on July 03, 2015, 03:27:38 pm: Quote from: MC71 on July 03, 2015, 02:25:02 pm
Full BCS Powervalve TBE with decat or 200 Cell cat, end off.
Undoubtedly one of the best, if not the best option out there.

Just a big chunk of money.

Their downpipe and sports cat alone is 6/700 quid.

I think personally I'll look at more affordable downpipes and sports cats when the time comes for Stage 2 and upwards.

Anyone have any graphs of the gains to be had with different downpipe / cat options? Ie Milltek, Eurojet, Ebay special, BCS, oem precat delete etc?

Would be good to see how they stack up against each other.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: MC71 on July 03, 2015, 05:56:40 pm: Op

With your budget Id smash the Precat out and mate your OEM downpipe to a BCS Sport system.

Speak to Nige, mention the forum and a discount will be yours, can't remember what % it is but a Sport Cat back will be around £500! :happy2:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Ricky123 on July 03, 2015, 09:25:59 pm: Video of my mates old gti with pipewerx downpipe and standard cat back, couldn't hear it in the car, no drone at all, could really feel the power gains, really nice sound under load with your foot down
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: AJP on July 03, 2015, 09:27:40 pm: That with a decat then or sports cat?
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: dan930 on July 04, 2015, 12:27:21 am: Might aswell save a bit more & do the whole thing mate
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 04, 2015, 05:28:54 pm: That does sound nice in the video I have to say!!

Anyone know roooughly how much I'd be looking at for a full system then?
:)
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Ricky123 on July 05, 2015, 07:16:01 pm: Quote from: AJP on July 03, 2015, 09:27:40 pm
That with a decat then or sports cat?

That just a decat, at the time of the video there were no other mod's to the car at all
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Ricky123 on July 05, 2015, 07:21:44 pm: Quote from: Mrstridey on July 04, 2015, 05:28:54 pm
That does sound nice in the video I have to say!!

Anyone know roooughly how much I'd be looking at for a full system then?
:)

Depends on if your just after sound, maximum performance, quality and look.

You can get decat down pipes for as little as £120 all the way to £300 on eBay if not more and then cat back systems can start around £250 again on eBay.

Most performance will be gained from a good downpipe/decat. On the golf in the video with the decat it didn't make a huge performance difference as it was standard at the time but the car did pull better.

If your on a budget and want a nicer sound then I'd get a downpipe for now and keep looking on eBay and in for sale section on here for a cat back exhaust.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on July 06, 2015, 10:36:15 am: Hey Dan
We can offer you the Sports Cat Back at £490.00 with the forum member discount.
For this you are getting around 30% more system than our competetors, with our system mating right up behind the cat on the stock DP.
With the step down reducer, being removable, the system is easy to upgrade to the full Turbo Back when funds allow.
Cheers
Nige

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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 06, 2015, 04:09:19 pm: Twisting my arm a bit there Nige! :grin:

Just to check, If i wanted to go for a turbo back Powervalve system at a later date, would that work fine with the cat back sports system you're offering?

:smiley:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Paradox1 on July 06, 2015, 04:34:10 pm: Sure would
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 06, 2015, 04:54:46 pm: ahhh thanks

*rings insurance company* :laugh:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 10, 2015, 05:21:45 pm: Fuming!!!!! :sad1:

Just rang my insurance company (Hastings direct) and they said I can't be covered by them if want this mod???!!

Apparently I need to be 25 if I want to change the exhaust!?!?!

Half tempted to cancel the policy and go elsewhere, but I'm 5 months into the policy and would have to start a new year for my NCD

:sick:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Spadds on July 11, 2015, 08:22:21 pm: I had the Miltek none resonated cat back system.

Bought it on here for £450 I think.

Sold it one month after fitting. In my opinion I would keep stock until it rusted through rather than remove the OEM item for one of these.

I then bought a full TBE BCS unit. not the power valve one, but 3" all the way through.

I love it. I like simplicity so kept away from the power valve concept as in my eyes there is something that could go wrong here. (It may not but I like longevity!)

Get another insurance policy and a decent unit. Am in York if you want to here it for real!' :drinking:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mrstridey on July 14, 2015, 03:11:30 pm: That sounds lovely have to admit!!
Just not sure I want to cancel my policy and lose half a years NCD!
:confused:

And thanks for the offer, but York's a bit far for me!
:signLOL:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Paradox1 on September 08, 2015, 10:39:51 am: No don't cancel it.

You can try the old trick of "this company offered me cheaper insurance with the exhaust. Can you match it otherwise i'll go with them. see what they say"

IF not what is half a year anyway? its nearly xmas as it is lol
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Adam0604 on September 13, 2015, 01:24:53 pm: Quote from: Spadds on July 11, 2015, 08:22:21 pm
I had the Miltek none resonated cat back system.

Bought it on here for £450 I think.

Sold it one month after fitting. In my opinion I would keep stock until it rusted through rather than remove the OEM item for one of these.

I then bought a full TBE BCS unit. not the power valve one, but 3" all the way through.

I love it. I like simplicity so kept away from the power valve concept as in my eyes there is something that could go wrong here. (It may not but I like longevity!)

Get another insurance policy and a decent unit. Am in York if you want to here it for real!' :drinking:

Why did you sell the milltek mate? As this is what I was going to be purchasing next month / November. Lack of power? Lack of noise?
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: PhilNUK on September 13, 2015, 09:46:26 pm: More than happy with my non res milltek cat back. Looks the part and isn't too loud unless put your foot down. Still a nice deep note with general driving.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Adam0604 on September 14, 2015, 07:01:31 pm: So, which exhaust out of the milltek catback and bcs is loudest?
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Paradox1 on September 18, 2015, 12:53:49 pm: BCS is louder.

Check out some youtube videos. BCS if you want the best of the best i guess.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on September 18, 2015, 02:54:09 pm: Our systems can be custom specced to suit individual requirements - ranging from the Prestige which is just above stock to our sport system which we believe is the 'Goldilocks' solution right up to a reduced length front silencer or deleted front silencer.
call me for further details.
Cheers
Nige
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Adam0604 on September 18, 2015, 04:00:41 pm: Quote from: nige bcs on September 18, 2015, 02:54:09 pm
Our systems can be custom specced to suit individual requirements - ranging from the Prestige which is just above stock to our sport system which we believe is the 'Goldilocks' solution right up to a reduced length front silencer or deleted front silencer.
call me for further details.
Cheers
Nige

Hi Nige,

What is your number sorry?
Probably won't be looking to do this until about November/December time, which will give me time to save up for it.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Mitch H on September 18, 2015, 04:04:46 pm: 01744 610 244
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on September 18, 2015, 06:42:40 pm: Quote from: Mitch H on September 18, 2015, 04:04:46 pm
01744 610 244

'Bingo!' :happy2:
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: JackL15 on September 19, 2015, 06:15:43 pm: I went from a standard exhaust set up to a milltek cat back (non res) and later a full turbo back exhaust with the sports cat. It wasn't cheap but the build quality is very good and the noise is exactly what I wanted. It's certainly not subtle!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Guy Incognito on September 21, 2015, 03:55:05 pm: I assume people are getting remaps done after fitting these bcs exhausts? Or is that not required?
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jarre on September 24, 2015, 11:34:31 pm: Quote from: nige bcs on July 06, 2015, 10:36:15 am
Hey Dan
We can offer you the Sports Cat Back at £490.00 with the forum member discount.
For this you are getting around 30% more system than our competetors, with our system mating right up behind the cat on the stock DP.
With the step down reducer, being removable, the system is easy to upgrade to the full Turbo Back when funds allow.
Cheers
Nige

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This is tempting...

I'd love a full system but money really doesn't allow at the minute. If I could get 'half' now and the rest when funds allow that'd be great just to get a bit more noise and keep me happy!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Deako on September 27, 2015, 07:14:21 pm: PMd you Nige. Let me know when it's convenient to speak.
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Post by: Powervalve Nige on September 28, 2015, 03:22:08 pm: Cheers Luke - when you're ready bud :happy2: 01744 610244
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Post by: Deako on October 05, 2015, 10:16:26 pm: Fitted my BCS sports car back system today. Sounds mint, quality is amazing.

Thanks Nige!!
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jarre on October 05, 2015, 11:00:36 pm: Easy to fit? Could you pull your old exhaust off or did you chop it?

Just ordered mine today :)

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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Deako on October 06, 2015, 07:07:56 am: Old exhaust needed chopping just after cat. No joiners there.

There is only 1 other join in the standard system.

You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jarre on October 06, 2015, 09:15:03 pm: Ah I see, cheers!

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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on October 07, 2015, 09:38:00 am: Cheers Luke
Glad the custom spec was to your like :party:
many thanks again for your valued business.
All the best
nige
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Deako on October 09, 2015, 09:33:18 pm: It's lovely. But I'd still like it to be louder. :grin:

Might experiment without a front silencer.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jarre on October 10, 2015, 01:48:00 pm: Did you fit it on your driveway? On axle stands?

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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Deako on October 10, 2015, 02:25:25 pm: Borrowed a ramp from the mechanic on the industrial estate where I have my unit.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Jarre on October 11, 2015, 09:45:05 am: I gave up with trying to jack it up as the access was awful. There was a rent a ramp place 15 mins from me that I planned on using but it shut down the other day due to a break in and loads of stuff stolen :( paid my local exhaust place to fit it for me instead.

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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Ricky123 on October 14, 2015, 09:22:52 pm: Quote from: Jarre on October 11, 2015, 09:45:05 am
I gave up with trying to jack it up as the access was awful. There was a rent a ramp place 15 mins from me that I planned on using but it shut down the other day due to a break in and loads of stuff stolen :( paid my local exhaust place to fit it for me instead.

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Use ramps... I drove the front of mine on to ramps and did the downpipe then off and reversed up to do the rest of the exhaust. It wasn't exactly spacious but plenty of room to do the job.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: DaveMsport on August 29, 2018, 07:47:51 am: Thread revival but got a mk5 for my fiancée during the week as a surprise present (hopefully she likes it but if not.... I've bought myself a GTI to keep all for myself :grin:)

Friend is breaking his one and has a cat back Miltek system that I can get for 4-500 euro.
Worth it or be better off saving for a prestige BCS system? :)

Dont want the car overly loud as it'll just draw attention to her when driving it but she does like abit of noise (intake pipe fell off the airbox in her current car creating lots of induction noise and loves it lol as well as absolutely loves how the full Supersprint race system sounds on my E46 M3. Granted, that's already winning being a straight six NA lol)
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: pudding on August 30, 2018, 04:38:39 pm: Mmmmmmm, SuperSprint. I love their systems. Their R32 header and system package sounded incredible, but their pricing is somewhat :surprised:

If you want quiet, make sure you get a system with a resonator and a large secondary cat (if you fit a DP).

They're all much of a muchness really, but from personal experience, I would steer clear of Milltek.
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on August 31, 2018, 11:35:31 am: 34 different variables to chose from in our range - all available with our mk5GolfGTI.co.uk forum member discount
Not sure all makes are much of a muchness :happy2:
Cheers
Nige
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Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: DaveMsport on September 01, 2018, 03:05:28 am: Haha, the M3 does sound nice with the Supersprint in fairness but indeed not a cheap exhaust. I was lucky to get it cheap from the factory in Italy as an ex demo and test exhaust. Its full Supersprint V2 stepped manifolds, 100 cell race cats, center section and lightweight race rear section. I've a CSL carbon airbox then too that makes noise at the other end :)

Those systems are lovely, Nige! Reckon the first type with the rolled tips would be the pens if go for.
How much roughly would a full turbo back prestige system be?
Title: Re: Exhaust time!
Post by: Powervalve Nige on September 03, 2018, 11:54:20 am: Quote from: DaveMsport on September 01, 2018, 03:05:28 am
Haha, the M3 does sound nice with the Supersprint in fairness but indeed not a cheap exhaust. I was lucky to get it cheap from the factory in Italy as an ex demo and test exhaust. Its full Supersprint V2 stepped manifolds, 100 cell race cats, center section and lightweight race rear section. I've a CSL carbon airbox then too that makes noise at the other end :)

Those systems are lovely, Nige! Reckon the first type with the rolled tips would be the pens if go for.
How much roughly would a full turbo back prestige system be?

Turbo back Prestige with the 100 Cell road legal cat would be £1121.18 inc VAT but I prefer the Sport (Fitted to our demo Mk5) £1084.05 inc VAT
Cheers
Nige